Lana Del Rey - Chemtrails Over The Country Club (2021)

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So, this album certainly deserves its own thread !

https://images.app.goo.gl/NWyjWj2uwRQHg9fu6

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 19 March 2021 15:20 (three weeks ago) link

does it

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 19 March 2021 15:24 (three weeks ago) link

does it

― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, March 19, 2021 11:24 AM bookmarkflaglink

motion sustained

Johnny Fever, Friday, 19 March 2021 15:54 (three weeks ago) link

Taylor got two threads last year, one new one for lana seems fair

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Friday, 19 March 2021 15:54 (three weeks ago) link

even if I think this one is just OK

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Friday, 19 March 2021 15:55 (three weeks ago) link

Well the problem is mainly because this album was discussed in a thread about another album which will make searches more difficult later on (in the distant future !) when someone wants to find this specific album.
If all LDR albums were discussed in one general LDR thread that would be fine by me.
Anyway, so far I like the first 3 songs on this, particularly the first one.
The rest is still indistinct so far.

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 19 March 2021 16:51 (three weeks ago) link

sorry i was really just kidding!!!

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 19 March 2021 16:52 (three weeks ago) link

As said on the other thread, her falsetto is very noticeable.
I'm not sure she has ever sung like on the chorus of "White Dress" ?

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 19 March 2021 16:54 (three weeks ago) link

xp
:)

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 19 March 2021 16:55 (three weeks ago) link

I'm bored this time round.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 March 2021 16:56 (three weeks ago) link

maybe not a great idea to prominently feature multiple vocalists who are all considerably stronger singers, pierces the bubble a bit or something

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Friday, 19 March 2021 16:57 (three weeks ago) link

I've seen the cover a number of times now and I still mistake three other non-Lanas for Lana before I see the real Lana.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 19 March 2021 17:03 (three weeks ago) link

eheh some kind of variation on Aphex Twin's "Windowlicker" video.

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 19 March 2021 17:16 (three weeks ago) link

I wasn't surprised that I didn't like this and bailed but I was surprised that I liked the new Greta Van Fleet songs more than this.

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Friday, 19 March 2021 17:45 (three weeks ago) link

excited to share news of their Greta del Fleet collab

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Friday, 19 March 2021 17:47 (three weeks ago) link

was really looking forward to the djp livetweet of this record but i also couldn't survive the falsetto in "white dress"

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 19 March 2021 18:38 (three weeks ago) link

the piano was pretty

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 19 March 2021 18:39 (three weeks ago) link

I disagree with all of you haters, this is a very good album, but that's a predictable reaction from me at this point. I think it's arguably better on the whole than NFR, though as someone else pointed out, it doesn't have any individual tracks that are better than Venice Bitch, though the title track is close, for me.

akm, Friday, 19 March 2021 19:32 (three weeks ago) link

I was a Lana sceptic for a long time, but I absolutely loved NFR. Waiting for my copy to get here tomorrow, but if this is even half as good as NFR I'll be very happy.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 19 March 2021 19:41 (three weeks ago) link

"haters"

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 March 2021 19:53 (three weeks ago) link

hey im just trying to get hip with the kid lingo

akm, Friday, 19 March 2021 20:05 (three weeks ago) link

Yeah this album is much better than this current thread lets on. "Tulsa Jesus Freak" and "Dark But Just A Game" are top tier imo

gman59, Friday, 19 March 2021 20:17 (three weeks ago) link

i don't know what the narrator is trying to show me w this album

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 19 March 2021 20:36 (three weeks ago) link

the only thing I don't like on the album is the boogie down bit in "dance til we die". I know what that song is about; when she played Berkeley a few years back Joan Baez came and they talked about how they had had dinner, I'm sure that was a really great experience for her, but I could have done without the meta commentary on it, and the middle portion just bugs me aesthetically.

akm, Friday, 19 March 2021 21:02 (three weeks ago) link

i don't know what the narrator is trying to show me w this album
is this a complaint

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Friday, 19 March 2021 21:05 (three weeks ago) link

"i don't know what the narrator is trying to show me w this album"

you have to pay extra for the commentary track

akm, Friday, 19 March 2021 21:07 (three weeks ago) link

lol the lana defense squad has logged on

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Friday, 19 March 2021 21:09 (three weeks ago) link

seriously

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 19 March 2021 21:26 (three weeks ago) link

There’s skywriting here in LA saying “LANA DEL REY CHEMTRAILS”

beer drops on my keytar (morrisp), Friday, 19 March 2021 21:43 (three weeks ago) link

Into it except for the Joni deepfake at the end.

too cool for zen talk (Eazy), Saturday, 20 March 2021 06:50 (three weeks ago) link

i feel kinda confused by the way NFR was held up as a masterpiece by a lot of people and then the reaction to this one has been much more lukewarm (both here and with critics more broadly) when it seems obviously stronger to me idk

none of the bloat of NFR and nearly the whole album captures the atmosphere that made "venice bitch" such a highlight. the only real weak points are "let me love you like a woman" and "breaking up slowly" which are just ok compared to the rest

ufo, Saturday, 20 March 2021 07:05 (three weeks ago) link

I don't think Weyes Blood sounds like Joni, or do you mean the cover in general?

akm, Saturday, 20 March 2021 16:17 (three weeks ago) link

Weyes Blood sounds nothing like Mitchell.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 20 March 2021 19:06 (three weeks ago) link

yeah, hence me not getting the deepfake comment. someone else did think it sounded like joan baez I guess, maybe?

akm, Saturday, 20 March 2021 21:51 (three weeks ago) link

I was driving and listening to the album and didn't even know the last song was a cover, so when "they knew he had never been on the TV / so they passed his music by" came in, and the "o" sound in "took over" and then the last "free," I wondered for a moment if it was a Joni cameo, maybe from the original recording.

too cool for zen talk (Eazy), Saturday, 20 March 2021 22:31 (three weeks ago) link

David Crosby (with the Byrds) also covered "For Free", I sense a duet coming.

Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 20 March 2021 23:47 (three weeks ago) link

Apparently there will be another album, Rock Candy Sweet, in June.

Lana Del Rey just released her new album Chemtrails Over The Country Club yesterday. And now she’s already announced a follow-up album, Rock Candy Sweet, which she says will be out on June 1st — and responded to a Harper’s Bazaar article titled “Lana Del Rey Can’t Qualify Her Way Out Of Being Held Accountable.”

“Just want to say thank you again for the kind articles like this one and for reminding me that my career was built on cultural appropriation and glamorizing domestic abuse,” Lana wrote on her Instagram story. “I will continue to challenge those thoughts on my next record June 1 titled Rock Candy Sweet.”

Alongside a screenshot from the article discussing her recent online controversies, she added, “You’re right it would have been unnecessary if no one had significantly criticized everythin about the album to begin with. But you did. And I want revenge.”

but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 20 March 2021 23:58 (three weeks ago) link

oh nooooooo

ufo, Sunday, 21 March 2021 00:03 (three weeks ago) link

her making an album where she Responds to Her Critics is surely going to take her lyrics from 'uninteresting' all the way down to 'insufferable' and fuel another wave of equally exhausting thinkpieces

the album won't be out june 1st though she's never been good with planned release dates

ufo, Sunday, 21 March 2021 00:08 (three weeks ago) link

Lana's next album:

https://tenor.com/view/half-baked-fuckyou-gif-5926484

but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 21 March 2021 00:20 (three weeks ago) link

Oh well, that didn't work. It's the "fuck you...fuck you...you're cool...fuck you, I'm out" GIF from Half Baked.

but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 21 March 2021 00:21 (three weeks ago) link

I love that line; my wife and I quote it a lot.

beer drops on my keytar (morrisp), Sunday, 21 March 2021 00:26 (three weeks ago) link

responded to a Harper’s Bazaar article titled “Lana Del Rey Can’t Qualify Her Way Out Of Being Held Accountable.”

I'm wary of artists who feel the need to respond to their critics directly (and I dread the results) but come on no way this article isn't completely insufferable

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Sunday, 21 March 2021 06:10 (three weeks ago) link

also yeah no way that comes out this year

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Sunday, 21 March 2021 06:36 (three weeks ago) link

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/art-books-music/a35311661/lana-del-rey-appropriation/

this is the article and it's a bit of a mess yeah

it makes plenty of fair criticisms (the same ones i'm sure everyone is familiar with) of her weirdly defensive album cover announcement post and that 'question for the culture' post she rightfully got a lot of flack for last year. there's also mention of her wearing native american headdresses early in her career (obviously bad) and using "he hit me and it felt like a kiss" as a lyric in ultraviolence as an example of her glamourising domestic abuse. all reasonable

then it delves into a messier critique of her whole persona being 'cultural appropriation'. like there are certainly criticisms to make of her relationship to race (and the article does make some fair ones) but i think reducing that down to 'cultural appropriation' is clumsy and totally unhelpful. an example given of her 'cultural appropriation' is her hairstyle in the "fuck it i love you" video was popular among latina subcultures in LA in the 90s and then more recently became a celebrity fashion trend, which on its own isn't really indicative of anything but the article seems to imply this is an example of her being problematic. as part of the broader point about the way she borrows significantly from black & latina culture while not fully including actual black & latina people, or being weirdly defensive about it etc., sure i guess, but then the article reduces that all down to 'cultural appropriation' which to me fumbles the whole point.

ugh why did i think this much about a ldr thinkpiece

ufo, Sunday, 21 March 2021 06:37 (three weeks ago) link

there are so many actual genuine predators and villains in music, why waste column inches going after the merely dunderheaded, is my only real take on this subject

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Sunday, 21 March 2021 06:49 (three weeks ago) link

A previous version of the article incorrectly stated Lana Del Rey's father was a millionaire, which has been corrected.

beer drops on my keytar (morrisp), Sunday, 21 March 2021 15:12 (three weeks ago) link

I think for me it's just getting to the point where it's like Arab Strap or the Ramones, like I just don't really need any more albums like this

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 21 March 2021 16:57 (three weeks ago) link

I’m just here to show off the display name fgti gave me

Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Sunday, 21 March 2021 18:27 (three weeks ago) link

i agree with simon, upthread.

treeship., Sunday, 21 March 2021 18:36 (three weeks ago) link

I think for me it's just getting to the point where it's like Arab Strap or the Ramones, like I just don't really need any more albums like this

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown)

This is how I'm feeling. There's nothing particularly bad about this album, but there's also nothing to really convince me this is anything more than just another Lana Del Rey album. Listening to Chemtrails at work the other day, when it ended it went straight on to NFR and just 30 seconds of that first song sounded so much more compelling than anything here. Honeymoon is the only one that took time to grow on me, everything else was really instant and I've gone back to them all a lot. I'll probably give this another chance to see if anything sticks.

kitchen person, Sunday, 21 March 2021 18:39 (three weeks ago) link

it feels pretty distinct to me as far as her albums go, much more folk-y and atmospheric than before & her vocal approach has changed too with much more falsetto than before

ufo, Sunday, 21 March 2021 21:49 (three weeks ago) link

First 2-3 tracks are great, maybe her best lyrics. The rest is kind of a featureless blur (though the line "I love you lots/Like polka dots" always makes me smile).

Bignefs Proportionable (seandalai), Sunday, 21 March 2021 23:02 (three weeks ago) link

Yeah, I'm in the "this is kinda boring" camp. As background, it's unobjectionable but mostly doesn't distinguish itself. The production does achieve a consistent vibe, but it kind of flattens her melodic instincts, which really carried NFR imo.

flattens her melodic instincts

This. Her weakest since Honeymoon.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 March 2021 18:15 (three weeks ago) link

Late with this, but...

ugh why did i think this much about a ldr thinkpiece

^^New board description?

"what are you DOING to fleetwood mac??" (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 22 March 2021 18:19 (three weeks ago) link

was really looking forward to the djp livetweet of this record but i also couldn't survive the falsetto in "white dress"

― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson),

Oof the falsetto in the chorus is the thing I liked the most on first listen. Love how thin and powerless it sounds, it’s a nice break from the usual Lana vocals. Maybe it just stand outs to me because at this point in her career every song of hers fades one into another for me.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 24 March 2021 05:50 (three weeks ago) link

Yeah, exactly, I love "White Dress" and specifically the way she sings the chorus (also the video makes me want to go out and cruise the sunny spring Paris streets on rollers !).

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 24 March 2021 10:06 (three weeks ago) link

I also hope the awkwardness of fitting way too many words into a line like she does in “white dress” or Ariana Grande on “positions” becomes a trend in pop.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 24 March 2021 16:52 (three weeks ago) link

Yeah, I think my favorite moment on this record is when she does that in the second verse of "Wild At Heart"

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Wednesday, 24 March 2021 17:09 (three weeks ago) link

the forced phrasing was really bugging me the other day, like "swim-MING pools" in the title track and "schoo-ellls/joo-ells" in for free

na (NA), Wednesday, 24 March 2021 17:12 (three weeks ago) link

the one that is driving me nuts is the "every time I said 'no' it wasn't quite what I meaned / if you know what I mean" in "Not All Who Wander", just c'mon.

Overall I'm feeling pretty middling on this, feels like a kid sibling to NFR - starts out pretty great, but much of the rest of it just feels like lesser versions of what she did more interestingly on NFR.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 24 March 2021 17:51 (three weeks ago) link

Okay, I have to retract part of that, hadn't made it to the last two songs. I really like the vibe on "Dance Til We Die".

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 24 March 2021 18:11 (three weeks ago) link

it hadn't really occurred to me until just now how funny the phrase "The Men In Music Business Conference" is

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Wednesday, 24 March 2021 18:32 (three weeks ago) link

it's hilarious, one of my favorite lines on the album

akm, Wednesday, 24 March 2021 18:40 (three weeks ago) link

I haven't listened to this but the title is awful, so awful, I can't bear it

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 24 March 2021 18:49 (three weeks ago) link

Old favourite Cherry Blossom rumoured to be on the next one; she did an IG post quoting the lyrics. I do yearn for a ‘Best of the Unreleased Tracks’ compilation with Driving In Cars.., Serial Killer, Queen of Disaster, Yes To Heaven, Pawn Shop Blues etc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZuT6ltpFKI

piscesx, Wednesday, 24 March 2021 19:26 (three weeks ago) link

yeah it would be nice to see some of those officially released though so many of them seem like the work of a different person at this point. Driving in Cars is still one of her best pop songs.

akm, Wednesday, 24 March 2021 19:58 (three weeks ago) link

xp at first I thought she was saying "mini music business conference." Would be pretty funny either way

J. Sam, Wednesday, 24 March 2021 20:16 (three weeks ago) link

I haven't listened to this but the title is awful, so awful, I can't bear it

it's her best album title!

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Wednesday, 24 March 2021 20:25 (three weeks ago) link

Heard it first as Meta-Music Conference (or metal?), all of which (along with "men in music") sound like a title you'd see in a dream.

too cool for zen talk (Eazy), Wednesday, 24 March 2021 20:56 (three weeks ago) link

Ok on my third listen now and this might be the first LDR album since Ultraviolence in which I love more than 2 songs in it.

I’m actually surprised how much this one works for me. I know people loved NFR but I didn’t. This one was so easy to like in comparison. For starters it’s one of her shortest albums and it’s very intimate sounding. I love the vibes going on and how the instruments mostly provide ambience, waiting for the vocal hooks. I guess fans of her more “maximalist” side might find it boring.

Love these: White Dress, Yosemite, Dark but Just a Game.

Like these: Chemtrails, Dance till We Die, Tulsa Jesus Freak

Bored by these, haven’t really won me over: let me love you like a woman, wild at heart

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 25 March 2021 06:07 (three weeks ago) link

Thoughts on the alternate cover (HMV exclusive vinyl)?

https://images.genius.com/9cdfa2ba25187376f756075ce635817d.644x644x1.jpg

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 25 March 2021 11:48 (three weeks ago) link

wow, the original cover looks like a friggin masterpiece now

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Thursday, 25 March 2021 12:04 (three weeks ago) link

it's bad but in a completely different way to the regular cover

ufo, Thursday, 25 March 2021 12:11 (three weeks ago) link

At this point there's only one song on the album that I don't like : "Breaking up Slowly" (it's funny because at first I thought it was a duet with Stevie which would have been a nice concept since in the following song she mentions her as well as Joni who she covers on the final song !).
The highlights imo are the first 3 and "Dark But Just A Game" which low end during the verses sounds HUGE on good headphones/hifi. One of my favorite moments of the album.

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 25 March 2021 12:12 (three weeks ago) link

I like the cover of the album.It's certainly not worse than all her previous covers !

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 25 March 2021 12:15 (three weeks ago) link

yeah "breaking up slowly" is just kinda melodically trite

ufo, Thursday, 25 March 2021 12:24 (three weeks ago) link

I don’t find any of her album covers particularly offensive but they’re not great either. It has always seemed weird to me how clear her aesthetic in terms of sound is yet it isn’t quite mirrored in her artwork and music videos.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 25 March 2021 16:02 (three weeks ago) link

Yeah she's got the worst sleeves of a big act since Oasis.

piscesx, Thursday, 25 March 2021 19:36 (three weeks ago) link

NFR! is the only one I find actively repellent. I like the Lust for Life cover a lot.

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Thursday, 25 March 2021 19:37 (three weeks ago) link

I like all her album covers except for Born To Die and Paradise, even when I don't like the albums (e.g. Lust For Life). The Honeymoon cover is great, and I liked the NFR cover even more once I realized the background was a painting (which of course it is).

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 25 March 2021 19:47 (three weeks ago) link

She has stated that she regards album art as a complete afterthought and for single releases would just use whatever picture she found on her phone. The alternate NFR cover with her friends sitting in a park with godawful fonts is a good example. I wish she had a better aesthetic sense for these things; I really only like the covers of BTD, UV (the original B&W cover, not the alternate cover of her knee which I assume was another iphone shot), and the alternate Honeymoon.

DArk But Just A Game is one of my favorite songs on here too, it's recorded really well, the guitar tone is really nice, and opening up the soundstage with the bridge was a great touch. Arrangement-wise it reminds me of the White Album or something.

akm, Thursday, 25 March 2021 19:48 (three weeks ago) link

Arrangement-wise it reminds me of the White Album or something.

hum. Interesting. I hadn't thought of it that way but now I can totally hear that !

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 26 March 2021 11:16 (two weeks ago) link

I have to admit the bad cover art might be part of why her music gives me weird nostalgia for the 90s cd era.

Chris L, Friday, 26 March 2021 13:00 (two weeks ago) link

it's weird that she doesn't care about the album artwork when she seems to care very much about the visuals for her videos etc

ufo, Friday, 26 March 2021 13:01 (two weeks ago) link

alternate cover looks like she shot out just out of frame of this

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/LNX-E07tXM8/maxresdefault.jpg

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Friday, 26 March 2021 13:02 (two weeks ago) link

*shot it

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Friday, 26 March 2021 13:02 (two weeks ago) link

Arrangement-wise it reminds me of the White Album or something.

Been thinking about how classic the arrangements are: Beatles, 3rd-album Velvets, "White Dress" gives me Laura Nyro vibes kinda. Maybe I don't get out enough but it feels kind of surprising in 2021?

Bignefs Proportionable (seandalai), Sunday, 28 March 2021 01:23 (two weeks ago) link

I don't know, I think it's pretty in tune with 2021. Jack Antonoff just won album of the year with Taylor Swift, and the sonic palette is partly him.

“it's weird that she doesn't care about the album artwork when she seems to care very much about the visuals for her videos etc” true and I don’t k ow how truthful that statement was but it seeems to explain some of the tossed off nature of some of them.

Also important to note that there were videos she made (like video games) and videos that I’m sure were 100% other peoples ideas (like Born to Die). The video for Chemtrails is interesting because it seems like the former style until near the end when it turns into a vampire video out of the blue (and even that owes something to Bat for Lashes)

akm, Sunday, 28 March 2021 06:12 (two weeks ago) link

xp yeah listening again a lot of the arrangement is of a piece with the Taylor albums, what's interesting to me are the aesthetic choices that don't fit (Beatles outro in "Dark But Just a Game", VU guitar in "Not All That Wander Are Lost", I swear there's Nyro in "White Dress" but I don't hear it every time)

Bignefs Proportionable (seandalai), Monday, 29 March 2021 00:32 (two weeks ago) link

Tonight at a small country bar in South Austin, we saw @nikkilanemusic. She brought Ms. @LanaDelRey out to duet "Breaking Up Slowly" and then Nikki covered @rosannecash "Seven Year Ache." For our 1st live show in 13 months, it was a transcendent one-two punch of joy. pic.twitter.com/5GYojQDkAB

— MattShiv (@shivvy) April 5, 2021

too cool for zen talk (Eazy), Monday, 5 April 2021 03:01 (one week ago) link


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