a rap battle between jonathan davis and fred durst that is mostly gay panic jokes.... not in my canon
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 22 February 2021 19:14 (three years ago) link
White Pony only counts if we’re talking the re-release with the godawful “Mini Maggit” opener.
Nice to see Vapor Transmissions making the cut.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Monday, 22 February 2021 19:16 (three years ago) link
I saw Coal Chamber headline Roseland in NYC in 1999. It was an all-Roadrunner bill with support from Machine Head, promoting The Burning Red, Slipknot, and Amen (a mercifully forgotten punk-metal band). Slipknot's set was basically the first six songs from their s/t album, plus maybe two other songs. It was completely amazing. Nobody else that night could compete. Machine Head were OK, Coal Chamber were boring, but Slipknot blew the walls down.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 22 February 2021 19:22 (three years ago) link
I will die on the "mini maggit is good" hill
― stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Monday, 22 February 2021 19:23 (three years ago) link
follow the leader was a big disappointment for me at the time. i did the thing, which i ended up doing with lots of bands whose new music i didn't really like, of trying to convince myself that it was good, but i couldn't keep up the pretense for too long.
― Dusty Benelux (jim in vancouver), Monday, 22 February 2021 19:25 (three years ago) link
i considered putting both significant other and chocolate starfish on here but like... not gonna win any hearts with three full limp bizkit albums in the canon lol
maybe this is the thread where i advocate for this song being the best song ever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ntw1a9_5TwE
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 22 February 2021 19:26 (three years ago) link
issues is prob my favorite korn album but feels like a really dark alt-metal album more than it does nu-metal, thus its absence. i should've included life is peachy tho
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 22 February 2021 19:28 (three years ago) link
it's cool that the sonics of this era are being repurposed lately but with none of this sort of shit happening, in kind of the same way nu-emo mostly jettisons the old subject matters
― stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Monday, 22 February 2021 19:32 (three years ago) link
a good friend of mine whose taste i usually trust (tbh one of the few friends whose taste i trust but that's for another time) swears by the KoRn/Skrillex collab(s), which i could sorta see since Skrillex kinda rules
― self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Monday, 22 February 2021 19:35 (three years ago) link
ah all of that is valid. yeah Follow the Leader is mostly bad but was huuge at the time and a pretty major mainstream success. but yeah can't imagine it aged well at all. last time I played it in full, I was likely 14
this might be cheating but the family values tour 98' comp might be worth considering. has a good mix of that time period.
― gman59, Monday, 22 February 2021 19:36 (three years ago) link
oh yes!!! i owned that
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 22 February 2021 19:37 (three years ago) link
it was the first time i ever heard incubus
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 22 February 2021 19:38 (three years ago) link
i have completely excluded incubus from the canon for downright personal reasons
I never really thought of Incubus in the same vein as these other acts, they were more like Filter to me
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Monday, 22 February 2021 19:39 (three years ago) link
as much as nu-metal can be pulled apart from funk metal... they were way more the latter in their early career imo, like they sound like really successful faith no more acolytes in a way none of these other bands did xp
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 22 February 2021 19:39 (three years ago) link
Yea "New Skin" feels like an unreleased FNM tune, right down to the vocalist's intonation
― if you meh them, shut up (Neanderthal), Monday, 22 February 2021 19:53 (three years ago) link
the intro to Got The Life is fucking amazing, the scat breakdown still hurts. Remember thinking Mini Maggit was a lame sellout move at the time, and the band basically did admit it was just done to please radio/managers.
Amen didn't fall in with things sound wise. Incredible live band. Well, incredible as a band with someone called Casey Chaos could be. One of my most vivid memories was the Astoria NME show of Alfie / Starsailor / Amen / JJ72, with Casey cutting himself and bleeding on the crowd 30 minutes before "Why won't it snow?"
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Monday, 22 February 2021 19:54 (three years ago) link
yeah I think Deftones, Incubus, System of a Down are a bit separate from nu metal in my mind but they got big at the same time and had lots of overlapping fans (including myself). This happened a lot for me when we did the emo/screamo poll too. im not sure if Unwound, late ATDI, Converge 100% fit but the timing of their success had them lumped in.
― gman59, Monday, 22 February 2021 19:56 (three years ago) link
feels like if you were on the Family Values tour and had a guitar, then you fit. so Deftones fit.
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Monday, 22 February 2021 19:59 (three years ago) link
yeah a lot of things "don't quite fit" but it's a somewhat loose genre definition imo. i mentioned far upthread, they're a weird one in the nu-metal canon and are a bit of a precursor of late 90s/early 2000s screamo, more post-hardcore than a lot of nu-metal, but they were playing with deftones, incubus (who i would definitely include, faith no more is an influence on a lot of nu-metal) and sepultura etc.
― Dusty Benelux (jim in vancouver), Monday, 22 February 2021 20:11 (three years ago) link
oh ill vote for them all if there is ever an official poll for this but even as a middle school kid whose whole musical world revolved around this genre, they seemed to be doing their own thing sonically from the rest (incubus, deftones etc.)
― gman59, Monday, 22 February 2021 20:14 (three years ago) link
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Monday, February 22, 2021 12:59 PM (fourteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
rammstein are i think inarguably not nu metal
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 22 February 2021 20:15 (three years ago) link
I worked for Korn's label when this came out, so discount my opinion if you want, but I was kinda into that record at the time. They did a good job of replicating it live, too.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 22 February 2021 20:16 (three years ago) link
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Monday, February 22, 2021 2:39 PM (thirty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
s.c.i.e.n.c.e has a scratching dj and a lot of attempts at funk iirc. later on they became much more of a mainstream alt rock band.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 22 February 2021 20:16 (three years ago) link
imo the SOAD self titled record is more "nu" than Toxicity
― stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Monday, 22 February 2021 20:50 (three years ago) link
(the latter is better, though, one of the leanest, meanest major label rock records I've heard)
― stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Monday, 22 February 2021 20:51 (three years ago) link
you are correct but toxicity is so perfect while remaining in the aesthetic realm that... i have a hard time picking the s/t over it
you would think i'd have this dilemma over around the fur and white pony but i don't
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 22 February 2021 20:52 (three years ago) link
the korn dubstep album rules
you know what simon, you're right about the soad s/t. "sugar" is kind of a major text of nu-metal for me
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 22 February 2021 20:54 (three years ago) link
Ha, Take A Look in the Mirror was the last Korn album I heard. Checked out one song of that dubstep one and, no, definitely not for me. I thought The Nothing was pretty good though, though obvious far outside the window for this thread.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 22 February 2021 21:01 (three years ago) link
the serenity of suffering and the nothing are both excellent comeback records
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 22 February 2021 21:04 (three years ago) link
i looked at the soad s/t's tracklisting and thought "i don't remember most of these songs" but they're just often obtusely titled, i know this record like the back of my hand lol
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 22 February 2021 21:05 (three years ago) link
"sugar" is kind of a major text of nu-metal for me
lol yeah this song is so sick (when you're 14 in 2000)
― stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Monday, 22 February 2021 21:05 (three years ago) link
"spiders" should have been a big crossover soundtrack hit or something
I think "p.l.u.c.k." is my fave despite the absurd acronym, that chorus is so groovy
― stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Monday, 22 February 2021 21:06 (three years ago) link
Huh, guess I need to check out Serenity then.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 22 February 2021 21:07 (three years ago) link
"suggestions" is like the best song ever made
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 22 February 2021 21:08 (three years ago) link
re: soad, not the excellent korn comeback album serenity of suffering (very much in the vein of the nothing so you'll prob like it jvc)
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 22 February 2021 21:09 (three years ago) link
the first half of the soad s/t has gotta be among the most unbelievably awesome experiences of music ever lol
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 22 February 2021 21:12 (three years ago) link
shake your spear at shakespeare!
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 22 February 2021 21:13 (three years ago) link
don't you! realize! that evil! lives in the motherfucking skin!!!!
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 22 February 2021 21:16 (three years ago) link
is I Against I nu metal?
― Towards a Britain-Free Planet (Left), Monday, 22 February 2021 21:45 (three years ago) link
feels like if you were on the Family Values tour and had a guitar, then you fit.
^ this is the real motherfuckin deal y'all
― eisimpleir (crüt), Monday, 22 February 2021 21:54 (three years ago) link
for my money, the woodstock 99 extended ver of “bawitdaba” is the most nu metal thing imaginable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMKfIXdxh-U
also when limp bizkit blew up the boat at spring break
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpyBybsNX64
― (⊙_⊙?) (original bgm), Tuesday, 23 February 2021 04:15 (three years ago) link
RIP, Lynn Strait of Snot was on it at the time
― if you meh them, shut up (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 23 February 2021 04:25 (three years ago) link
snot should be included -- great album
― blue6ave, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 07:09 (three years ago) link
what about Faith No More?they maybe feel to nu metal as Led Zeppelin is to heavy metal, foundational to its creation but not a part of it
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 12:22 (three years ago) link
Interesting that you posted that Kid Rock video as I've always thought of Kid Rock as being adjacent to Nu Metal, but never really fully part of it. Certainly Rap Rock/Metal, but he was always too steeped in Southern Rock and Classic Rock influences to really feel like Nu Metal to me.
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 13:23 (three years ago) link
yeah agree, he was more authentically hip hop too, his early stuff
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 13:25 (three years ago) link
this is reminding me that the only Kid Rock music I own is an appearance on an Insane Clown Posse song
― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 14:17 (three years ago) link
Animosity is good. the songwriting finally utilizes Lajon's voice properly.
"Xmas Day" is great
― Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Friday, 12 March 2021 22:07 (three years ago) link
going by your op, either of the first two Will Haven recs, qualify maybe?
xp
― where do all these unsold amps go? (gaudio), Friday, 12 March 2021 22:12 (three years ago) link
i finally checked out snot... get some feels a little too funk metal, maybe? but strait up is kind of a scene classic, surprisingly really awesome throughout
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 14 March 2021 22:47 (three years ago) link
i also finished this mix of nu-metal remixes over the weekend and i'm sooo happy with it
https://www.mixcloud.com/brad-nelson4/double-exposures-vol-82-everything-that-i-am-rearranging/
1. kittie: safe (kmfdm inc. remix)2. mudvayne: dig (future evolution remix)3. static-x: love dump (mephisto odyssey's voodoo mix)4. godflesh: crush my soul (ultramixedit)5. korn: here to stay (bt's managed anger mix)6. orgy: stitches (green velvet mix)7. limp bizkit: nookie (androids vs. las putas remix)8. nine inch nails: the hand that feeds (photek straight mix)
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 15 March 2021 14:18 (three years ago) link
this is awesome so far i am very excited for the BT korn remix!
― adam, Monday, 15 March 2021 15:05 (three years ago) link
this kittie/KMFDM remix gives me serious buffy vibes
― intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Monday, 15 March 2021 15:21 (three years ago) link