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Kings of Seattle alternative indie-rock? Or the writers of the formula for every shitty whining emo track ever moaned?

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Monday, 25 November 2002 00:37 (twenty years ago) link

dud, except for "seven"

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 25 November 2002 00:58 (twenty years ago) link

I had no idea they were emo until the press told me they were.

David Allen, Monday, 25 November 2002 01:07 (twenty years ago) link

enigk's solo album is probably one of the worst Sub Pop records, and that's really saying something

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 25 November 2002 01:12 (twenty years ago) link

I'm with ESOJ, I bought their first album when it came out on the strength of seven but unfortunately it wasn't strong enough to support the rest of the disc.

webcrack (music=crack), Monday, 25 November 2002 06:09 (twenty years ago) link

if you can wade through the grammar of the above sentence you win the prize of knowing not to waste your $$--just download the one mp3.

webcrack (music=crack), Monday, 25 November 2002 06:10 (twenty years ago) link

The other night I got a nostalgic urge to listen to SDRE's second album, because I was nuts about them in high school and beyond. I listened to it all the way through, but felt distinctly underwhelmed. Maybe one song on it sort of did anything for me. I will reserve judgement until I re-listen to the first one. But agreed that 'seven' is fucking awesome.

Also, hi.

Blood and sparkles (bloodandsparkles), Monday, 25 November 2002 06:56 (twenty years ago) link

They got better after they broke up and got back together 3 years later. See How It Feels To Be Something On and The Rising Tide for superlative SDRE results.

paul cox (paul cox), Monday, 25 November 2002 07:07 (twenty years ago) link

Is Seven the first track on the first album? I liked that one but you know, I never played the album all the way through, and for me that never happens. Don't really enjoy the vocal sound too much, and they remind me a bit of Smashing Pumpkins. I dislike Smashing Pumpkins, but they had more hooks, and at least what's his name made no bones about being obnoxious and didn't try to present it as sensitivity or something.

Sean (Sean), Monday, 25 November 2002 15:14 (twenty years ago) link

saw them live twice, pretty damn good shows. used to love them in college, not so much anymore.

Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 25 November 2002 15:17 (twenty years ago) link

yah, they put on an amazing show when i saw them, oh god... 8,9 years ago? (has it really been that long?) i remember enjoying diary immensely, but also can't remember the last time i listened to it.

bucky wunderlick (bucky), Monday, 25 November 2002 16:03 (twenty years ago) link

seven months pass...
They may be founders of emo, but they don't really sound like
other emo bands. They're not very punk, they're more bombastic -
more in common with Yes and U2 than Fugazi. I'm listening to
_How It Feels To Be Something ON_ and it's fantastic, better than
it's ever sounded - every song is an effing classic.

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 11:01 (nineteen years ago) link

I still kind of like them. ESOJ is correct about Enigks solo album, what a piece of shit. He also looked like an out of work porn star during that period. When I saw them three years ago people threw flowers on the stage at him like he was Morrissey.

Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 11:28 (nineteen years ago) link

i've softened to the rest of the Diary album but "Seven" is still far and away their best moment..

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 22:36 (nineteen years ago) link

I like the first two records ok - nostalgia. my hometown punk scene went bananas for them circa 2nd album, they all started looking for religious shit in the lyrics, etc. Wild

roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 17 July 2003 04:01 (nineteen years ago) link

nine months pass...
Squirrel Police is right -- I pulled out How It Feels... yesterday for nostalgia's sake, and damn if it doesn't hold up. It's got a weird, super-depressing, goth/prog/metal vibe that makes it decidedly non-punk. It's a very "Seattle"-sounding record, if that makes any sense. Yeah, the drumming gets a little oppressive, and Enigk's lyrics are sometimes cringeworthy, but the songwriting, pacing, and sense of dynamics and flow is impeccable.

Clarke B. (Clarke B.), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:29 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm going to have to stand up for Enigk's solo album, I think it's gorgeous, I'm really surprised people don't like it. I much prefer it to any SDRE album (and I really only like the first one and How It Feels) and wish he'd do another one like this. The tunes just cement themselves into my head for a week everytime I listen to it.

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:33 (eighteen years ago) link

guitar and video games. ahhh.

cutty (mcutt), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:01 (eighteen years ago) link

I really disliked the one album I had of theirs, but I'm not sure what I'd think now

uh (eetface), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:02 (eighteen years ago) link

I really like How It Feels..too. I even bought the live album cuz i like those songs so much. I chickened out of buying the last album when i heard it wasn't as good. I'd probably like it though. I've never heard the earlier albums.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:14 (eighteen years ago) link

no, it wasn't very good, the songs were a lot shorter and radio-friendly and it lost a lot of the pretentious grandeur of How It Feels. I hated it.

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, the pretentiousness is definitely what I love about that one album. I like when bands go for broke like that.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:19 (eighteen years ago) link

the next album commited the unforgivable sin of just being boring. I love the bombast of How It Feels.

What about the Fire Theft? The relative silence about that album from the usual places makes me think it must have sucked.

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:36 (eighteen years ago) link

The first record never did anything for me. I liked the third a lot when it came out, but my brother permanently borrowed it so I haven't heard it in a while. LP2, the one no one likes, has always been my favorite, and I still listen to it occasionally. It may be my favorite in part because there's no lyric sheet so you can imagine the words aren't completely banal and/or too strident, but it's also got a nice band-live-in-a-room feel and easily the weirdest songs they ever wrote.

charlie va (charlie va), Monday, 3 May 2004 21:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Has anyone seen the movie called United States of Leland? Not sure what the movie is like, but Enigk did two new songs for the movie. I heard he was doing a full soundtrack, but IMDB.com only lists two Enigk songs in the movie.
And I agree with you, Kyle, the solo album is really great.

Jonathan (Jonathan), Monday, 3 May 2004 23:08 (eighteen years ago) link

three years pass...

really good band
excellent flair for melodic songwriting
i guess the emo affiliations tend to scare people off

Charlie Howard, Monday, 28 April 2008 03:20 (fourteen years ago) link

play this stuff to an emo kid of today and they would piss their pants with laughter

electricsound, Monday, 28 April 2008 03:25 (fourteen years ago) link

But who wouldn't piss their pants with laughter even looking at an emo kid of today?

Nhex, Monday, 28 April 2008 03:56 (fourteen years ago) link

he thinks "i gave her my heart. she tasted my soul. now she's gone again."

Charlie Howard, Tuesday, 29 April 2008 15:04 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

I pretty much love these guys btw and I'm shocked nobody mentioned "In Circles" itt as I think it easily trumps "Seven" as their best thing

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 17 August 2009 17:25 (thirteen years ago) link

SDRE is one of my absolute favorite bands ever. Period.

Marty Innerlogic, Monday, 17 August 2009 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link

"In Circles" rules obv.

Marty Innerlogic, Monday, 17 August 2009 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link

I once bought one of their CDs, but quickly exchanged it for another.

_Rockist__Scientist_, Monday, 17 August 2009 19:32 (thirteen years ago) link

in circles is fine but i still prefer seven

was listening to this album again recently for some reason

you! me! posting! (electricsound), Monday, 17 August 2009 23:23 (thirteen years ago) link

"The Prophet" is my favorite SDRE song. I think I'll take "Seven" over "In Circles" but "Grendel" is the one I come back to the most on the debut.

afternoon "delight" (Euler), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 07:22 (thirteen years ago) link

"Sometimes" is fucking dope

do HOOS ever just steen into space and weep (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 31 August 2009 16:41 (thirteen years ago) link

Seven over In Circles. How it Feels to Be Something On over either of them.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 31 August 2009 16:54 (thirteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

secret reunion show kickoff:

*⁂((✪⥎✪))⁂* (Steve Shasta), Friday, 18 September 2009 20:48 (thirteen years ago) link

five years pass...

Today's a really good SDRE day.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 17 October 2014 18:37 (eight years ago) link

Just listened to Return of the Frog Queen yesterday and remembered that these guys had a Record Store Day 7" this year that I forgot about.

cwkiii, Friday, 17 October 2014 20:50 (eight years ago) link

It's on Spotify. Good song. Too bad they never pulled another album together.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 17 October 2014 20:57 (eight years ago) link

four months pass...

I had completely wiped The Fire Theft from memory. I'm sure it must have at least mildly excited me in 2003, but stumbling across it on wikipedia today was like completely new information.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 5 March 2015 22:21 (seven years ago) link

"heaven" off the fire theft record is remarkable

one year passes...

The other night I got a nostalgic urge to listen to SDRE's second album, because I was nuts about them in high school and beyond. I listened to it all the way through, but felt distinctly underwhelmed. Maybe one song on it sort of did anything for me. I will reserve judgement until I re-listen to the first one. But agreed that 'seven' is fucking awesome.

― Blood and sparkles (bloodandsparkles), Monday, November 25, 2002 1:56 AM (thirteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

similar nostalgic urge last week and came up with different results. The 2nd album (always my favorite of the two--never bothered with anything post-breakup) holds up for me. It's so oppressive and gloomy. I also noticed (maybe for the first time) how good the drumming is. No wonder Grohl tapped that guy to play in Foo Fighters.

Pushed my luck and revisited Diary, which, as stated many times upthread, starts out strong, but really fizzles off after that. Still, good "sound" on these records. They're very of-their-time, but in a good way.

Wimmels, Saturday, 22 October 2016 17:51 (six years ago) link

Yeah, William Goldsmith is such an incredible drummer, especially on that second record (which is still one of my favorite records).

Post-breakup, still think How It Feels is brilliant, but that's where I get off the boat.

cwkiii, Saturday, 22 October 2016 18:27 (six years ago) link

I guess I should hear that one, a lot of people seem to like it. I felt like I'd sorta 'outgrown' them at the time or something, they just weren't at all on my radar by that point

Wimmels, Saturday, 22 October 2016 19:57 (six years ago) link

It's a totally different vibe from the first two but it's a very very good record.

cwkiii, Saturday, 22 October 2016 22:22 (six years ago) link

I never really listened to this band, but this was a pretty good/intense interview about SDRE and being miserable in Foo Fighters.

sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Thursday, 27 October 2016 21:41 (six years ago) link

How It Feels is no question their best record. Nostalgic for the first two from time to time, but I still actively love that one.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 27 October 2016 21:43 (six years ago) link

xp Wow, I'd forgotten about The Trap Set! Crazy that they're up to 94 episodes now. Lots of digging to do.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 27 October 2016 21:44 (six years ago) link

one year passes...

Just got tickets for the Return of the Frog Queen 20 year anniversary tour. Feeling old rn.

cwkiii, Friday, 20 April 2018 17:05 (four years ago) link

six months pass...

so like, the rising tide, which tt has basically just forced on me, is a ridiculous masterpiece

imago, Saturday, 3 November 2018 20:08 (four years ago) link

how had i not heard this

tt you've known me for 4 years almost to the day


imago, Saturday, 3 November 2018 20:12 (four years ago) link

Apparently I thought it was more urgent for you to hear Sugarcult or something I’m sorry.

tangenttangent, Saturday, 3 November 2018 20:12 (four years ago) link

oh god i’m so glad you love the rising tide lj

princess of hell (BradNelson), Saturday, 3 November 2018 22:01 (four years ago) link

Have never been able to get into Rising Tide as much as the other SDRE albums but I'll keep trying.

^ Me on the emo poll thread - it's now one of my favourite albums of the '00s.

Gavin, Leeds, Sunday, 4 November 2018 01:45 (four years ago) link

she's in myyyyy heeead

imago, Sunday, 4 November 2018 18:10 (four years ago) link

it's the law that you have to tell me what you think of the fire theft and/or jeremy enigk's solo career after this

princess of hell (BradNelson), Sunday, 4 November 2018 18:19 (four years ago) link

the fire theft album: it's nice and pretty, doesn't blow me away, but then again I'm only halfway through it so it still has time

imago, Sunday, 4 November 2018 20:46 (four years ago) link

as soon as I posted that the album got better haha

imago, Sunday, 4 November 2018 20:58 (four years ago) link

lol absurd epic closing track thrown in to tempt the lower demons of my nature

imago, Sunday, 4 November 2018 21:20 (four years ago) link

oh no it's a hidden track job WHY DID EVERYONE DO THIS

imago, Sunday, 4 November 2018 21:22 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

This all seems... bizarre. I'd love to hear another SDRE record though.


soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 21:21 (three years ago) link

the goldsmith/grohl beef drums on

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 21:26 (three years ago) link

In The Trap Set interview - which is a good listen - he is kinda pissy about Grohl, with good reason imho and interestingly very direct about how Dan Hoerner is apparently a terrible person, also a lot of his family seem to have had battles with alcohol with tragic results, so perhaps he's some kind of grudgeful drunk poster.

MaresNest, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 21:47 (three years ago) link

I knew he held no love for Grohl, the supposed "lost album" was a new twist to me.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 21:49 (three years ago) link

one day in the late 90s i was minding my own business reading a SDRE interview, and then william goldsmith starts describing his approach to playing drums, and that with every snare hit he's trying to "crack the earth" so that his dead sister might one day rise up through it... i swear that quote flashes thru my mind monthly

rip van wanko, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 22:10 (three years ago) link

three years pass...



ufo, Monday, 24 January 2022 21:52 (ten months ago) link

the lost album goldsmith was rambling about years ago was just their unfinished attempt at recording a new album after the 2009 reunion, right? it was pretty well-established that they'd written new material & tried to record it after the reunion tour but the sessions didn't end up going anywhere for whatever reason?

ufo, Monday, 24 January 2022 21:56 (ten months ago) link

Wow, after hearing Will Goldsmith talk about Dan Hoerner on that Trap Set podcast a few years back, I figured they were done forever.

I think he may have also talked about the "lost" album in that interview, too? iirc, it was just the sessions that "Lipton Witch" came from; I think they had a few other half-finished songs before they split again.

cwkiii, Wednesday, 26 January 2022 19:41 (ten months ago) link

i didn't become a fan of this band until How It Feels which I still rank very highly; I saw them on tour for the Rising Tide and thought it was great, so I'll likely check this out.

akm, Wednesday, 26 January 2022 19:53 (ten months ago) link

XP - That was my first thought too, he was very robust about Dan, to say the least.

Maresn3st, Wednesday, 26 January 2022 19:54 (ten months ago) link

nine months pass...

weird, I really hated the Rising Tide up above, but now I think it's excellent.

akm, Saturday, 19 November 2022 22:43 (two weeks ago) link

It's their best album.

ArchCarrier, Sunday, 20 November 2022 08:34 (one week ago) link

Rising Tide is all time. What a masterpiece. That album was my introduction, and nothing I've heard from them topped it.

octobeard, Sunday, 20 November 2022 08:55 (one week ago) link

It was my favorite of theirs last time I thought about such a thing. That was a long time ago, though.

alpine static, Sunday, 20 November 2022 09:08 (one week ago) link

Wow i think i just “never got to” Rising Ride, tho I liked HIFTBSO— this is v good.

There is a vocal tone and like, guitar crescendo thing going that now makes me think of manchester orchestra a lot.

i'm right back on my shit (Hunt3r), Sunday, 20 November 2022 18:03 (one week ago) link

Rising Tide is a prog masterpiece

imago, Sunday, 20 November 2022 18:04 (one week ago) link

They play Denver Dec 4. I am v poor at going to shows, but damn, I think I am there. Reports?

i'm right back on my shit (Hunt3r), Monday, 21 November 2022 05:07 (one week ago) link


what if a brent d review is the reason i never got to rising tide omg what if that

i'm right back on my shit (Hunt3r), Monday, 21 November 2022 05:18 (one week ago) link

xp FYI, their December dates were just posponed, due to drummer's broken hand (we had tix for Dec. 12).

"Mick Wall at Kerrang!" (morrisp), Tuesday, 22 November 2022 20:38 (one week ago) link

ah shit but maybe for the best since I think that fell during finals week for my kid and he wanted to come with me.

akm, Tuesday, 22 November 2022 21:58 (one week ago) link

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