Taylor Swift -- Evermore

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Ten minutes to go and counting

Ned Raggett, Friday, 11 December 2020 04:50 (one month ago) link

Looking forward to her follow ups Pinafore, Semaphore, and Abbatoir

DJP, Friday, 11 December 2020 04:53 (one month ago) link

That last one would have been Coil's best remix album.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 11 December 2020 04:53 (one month ago) link

Listening on YT Music, cuz it's not on Tidal for some reason.

good karma, my aesthetic (morrisp), Friday, 11 December 2020 05:03 (one month ago) link

(ok, it finally showed up, in time for Track 3)

good karma, my aesthetic (morrisp), Friday, 11 December 2020 05:10 (one month ago) link

It's good

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 11 December 2020 05:16 (one month ago) link

It is really nice, and "unassuming" / relaxed.

good karma, my aesthetic (morrisp), Friday, 11 December 2020 05:39 (one month ago) link

Vintage tee, brand new phone
Pigs gush blood, cattle groan

I'm sorry

cerebral halsey (rip van wanko), Friday, 11 December 2020 05:53 (one month ago) link

I feel like this is the acoustic-y singer-songwriter album that lots of ppl have been waiting for her to make, without the indie affectations (er, enhancements) of Folklore.

good karma, my aesthetic (morrisp), Friday, 11 December 2020 05:56 (one month ago) link

This also has a few of her most straight-up country songs since, when - before Red?

good karma, my aesthetic (morrisp), Friday, 11 December 2020 05:58 (one month ago) link

This sounds exactly as indie as Folklore to me (I'm not complaining, I like it that way)

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 11 December 2020 06:01 (one month ago) link

“ivy” is the standout to me on first listen

winters (josh), Friday, 11 December 2020 06:05 (one month ago) link

ok, this song "Long Story Short" is pretty indie; but it's a jam

good karma, my aesthetic (morrisp), Friday, 11 December 2020 06:08 (one month ago) link

aw, this final track is beautiful

good karma, my aesthetic (morrisp), Friday, 11 December 2020 06:18 (one month ago) link

Wikipedia says that all of the songs except one (that one is Antonoff obv) are produced by Dessner? Wow

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Friday, 11 December 2020 06:24 (one month ago) link

on first listen this is good but it doesn't have the standouts that folklore did

ufo, Friday, 11 December 2020 06:32 (one month ago) link

Same, I prefer folklore to this but it’s still good

That being said I’d be surprised if this split the Taylor vote on the year end poll

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Friday, 11 December 2020 06:37 (one month ago) link

on my 2nd time through now... "'Tis the Damn Season" is really a jam ("damn"!)

good karma, my aesthetic (morrisp), Friday, 11 December 2020 06:43 (one month ago) link

Pretty sure I prefer this album to Folklore, for various reasons (none of them interesting enough to dwell on).

good karma, my aesthetic (morrisp), Friday, 11 December 2020 06:51 (one month ago) link

wish there were more of the distorted drums on "closure" elsewhere, i'd been thinking that sort of thing would have worked quite nicely on some of folklore

ufo, Friday, 11 December 2020 07:04 (one month ago) link

evermore feels more like a collection of B-sides than a proper album to me

winters (josh), Friday, 11 December 2020 07:07 (one month ago) link

i think the title track is my favourite on first listen

ufo, Friday, 11 December 2020 07:09 (one month ago) link

Yeah this is very much an outtakes album, but it's quite pleasant.

It’s definitely looser, like a lot of quick follow ups to creative breakthroughs. The For The Roses to Folklore’s Blue, perhaps (and it shares with that album the sense that the song melodies bend to fit in all the words).

Tim F, Friday, 11 December 2020 07:32 (one month ago) link

Folklore’s Blue

omg the audacity

imago, Friday, 11 December 2020 08:10 (one month ago) link

Yeah on first listen I much prefer Folklore. Still I like that she released two (surprise) albums in a year. It’s refreshing especially for such a big act.

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 11 December 2020 08:19 (one month ago) link

omfg “tis the damn season”

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 11 December 2020 09:02 (one month ago) link

seven tracks in and i could not disagree more dramatically with the assertion that this is obviously a b-sides or an outtakes record

“happiness” ;_;

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 11 December 2020 09:16 (one month ago) link

no one tell lj that taylor swift is exploring new time signatures

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 11 December 2020 09:23 (one month ago) link

you could not make a song more tailored to my sensibilities than “long story short”

feeling some certainty after my first listen that this is going to be my favorite taylor record, every track blew me away and the sequencing kept me locked in (folklore has mostly great sequencing but it gets a little misty at the end imo)

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 11 December 2020 09:40 (one month ago) link

that is ludicrously vmic lol but fine haha

I actually didn't hate folklore, is my horrid little secret here, so I probably will listen to this at some point

imago, Friday, 11 December 2020 09:48 (one month ago) link

title track is her best closer by a mile

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 11 December 2020 09:49 (one month ago) link

while it's not quite as immediately great as folklore there's still plenty to love here. i do wish there were more antonoff tracks to balance things out though. i agree the title track is her best closer, it's so good

one thing though is i quite like "champagne problems" but i swear the melody is pieced together from three or four different other of her songs?

ufo, Friday, 11 December 2020 10:02 (one month ago) link

and i take back it not having the sort of standouts that folklore did, "long story short" and "evermore" are just as great as the best moments from folklore

ufo, Friday, 11 December 2020 10:22 (one month ago) link

one thing though is i quite like "champagne problems" but i swear the melody is pieced together from three or four different other of her songs?

maybe this is intentional? the lyric's another look at the scenario of "Speak Now" too.

I can't help but hear these new songs in the light of her revisiting her past albums for the rerecording project.

All cars are bad (Euler), Friday, 11 December 2020 10:44 (one month ago) link

I had the same impression about "Champagne Problems."

This is solid. "No Body, No Crime" sounds like normal times, i.e. Swift jamming with a skeleton of a song as she tosses lyrics to the Haim sisters.

I'll resist the hot takes, though. I need an album to crunch on next week.

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 11 December 2020 10:50 (one month ago) link

xp like

"Time flies, messy as the mud on your truck tires"

sung with country inflections, amidst other singing in the more pop/r&b register of the 1989/Reputation era (or even "the 1")

these are songs as commentary on where she's at in her life, while at the same time being songs standing on their own

which is what she's always doing anyway, it all spirals, a mis en abyme

All cars are bad (Euler), Friday, 11 December 2020 10:52 (one month ago) link

one of the tracks she's reused melodic phrases from in "champagne problems" is "all too well" but i haven't managed to place the others yet

ufo, Friday, 11 December 2020 12:45 (one month ago) link

there’ll be happiness after you
but there was happiness because of you
both of these things can be true

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 11 December 2020 14:53 (one month ago) link

haha I'm listening to that tune as I type

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 11 December 2020 14:56 (one month ago) link

"Evermore" is really gorgeous, and it's hard not to take for granted that she's singing with Vernon instead of the Panic at the Disco guy or Ed Sheeran.

Indexed, Friday, 11 December 2020 15:20 (one month ago) link

He is absolutely her best-ever duet partner.

"Happiness" and "Marjorie" are my initial high points.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 11 December 2020 16:22 (one month ago) link

you booked the night train for a reason
so you could sit there in this hurt
bustling crowds or silent sleepers
you're not sure which is worse

the lyrics are so. good

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 11 December 2020 17:17 (one month ago) link

"No Body No Crime" reminds me of something circa 1995 or so that I can't place

Indexed, Friday, 11 December 2020 17:26 (one month ago) link

"happiness" has to be the most she's ever devastated me as a songwriter

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 11 December 2020 17:38 (one month ago) link

Baba O'Marjorie

biped, artisan, (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 11 December 2020 17:51 (one month ago) link

"No Body No Crime" reminds me of something circa 1995 or so that I can't place

“Sunny Came Home”?

good karma, my aesthetic (morrisp), Friday, 11 December 2020 18:20 (one month ago) link

shouldn't have said anything

Indexed, Friday, 11 December 2020 18:49 (one month ago) link

why, was that it(?)

good karma, my aesthetic (morrisp), Friday, 11 December 2020 18:51 (one month ago) link

agreed, sodomsky nails a lot of it

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 16 December 2020 00:24 (one month ago) link

he's among their best

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 December 2020 00:24 (one month ago) link

after almost a week, my favorite tracks are the section of “Ivy” -> “Cowboy Like Me” -> “Long Story Short” -> “Marjorie” (“Cowboy” being the favorite among this lot)

winters (josh), Thursday, 17 December 2020 17:22 (one month ago) link

(favorite tracks at the moment)

winters (josh), Thursday, 17 December 2020 17:22 (one month ago) link

Yeah that's where it peaks for me, too. I listened to the NYT Popcast on Evermore yesterday and couldn't believe they all dismissed "Cowboy." Too subtle, I guess, but it was funny to hear Caramanica deride Dessner's production as heavy-handed and fussy and then trash the most straightforward and gorgeous singer/songwriter/country song she's put out since like "Never Grow Up."

Indexed, Thursday, 17 December 2020 20:24 (one month ago) link

first take on this album last week was that it wasn't as strong as Folklore and now I think it might be stronger? a testament to the album that everyone has different favorites, or that the favorites change from day to day. Frankly cannot get Willow out of my head, and yes to the Tori Amos comparisons, which seem strongest in parts of Gold Dust (itself an Amos-y title)and...something else, can't remember. Maybe it was Happiness. I walked around in a light rain at night the other night slightly high and listened to this entire album for the 20th time and was just kind of blown away by it. It's both meticulous and effortless sounding. Both albums are great crash courses in songcraft. You can kind of imagine how they were written; so many are based on what are essentially loops of piano, the kinds of things I am guessing, now, that Aaron might have dozens and dozens of. They're the kinds of melodies that come to your head at any time during the day (if you are at all musical) but he actually writes them down and records them; they are not, for the most part, very complicated, but they resonate and provide a kind of open template for a counter melody on top. What's most amazing about these songs though is those countermelodies, which I imagine Swift wrote herself; and they go everywhere. Sometimes there are like five of them in a song. I have a hard time breaking some of these songs into 'verse/chorus' structures; there are pre-choruses, post-choruses, entirely different meters for the verses with varying melodies. Exquisite.

akm, Thursday, 17 December 2020 21:24 (one month ago) link

Frankly cannot get Willow out of my head

She has an incredible ability to write earworms. I have had this experience with every one of her albums dating back to the s/t. Can still remember tossing and turning at night with "The Outside" chorus blaring in my brain.

Indexed, Thursday, 17 December 2020 21:40 (one month ago) link

and yes to the Tori Amos comparisons, which seem strongest in parts of Gold Dust (itself an Amos-y title)and

lol this slip pretty much proves yr point

Tim F, Thursday, 17 December 2020 23:58 (one month ago) link

ha! yeah, gold rush

and the other song was happiness, listening to it now. in fact if someone had played this for me and told me it was a tori amos song I'd have believed them.

akm, Friday, 18 December 2020 03:02 (one month ago) link

also, I wonder if it's weird for Aaron Dessner who went from being 'guy in a moderately famous indie rock band' to cowriter of what will probably be seen as collectively one of the best American music releases of the 21st century.

akm, Friday, 18 December 2020 03:39 (one month ago) link

I have been curious about how/if her core fanbase have been acquainting themselves with his work and everything he's attached to (namely The National ofc)

winters (josh), Friday, 18 December 2020 04:01 (one month ago) link

Some good stuff here from Marissa Moss on Evermore / Taylor's relationship with country music

https://dontrocktheinbox.substack.com/p/dont-rock-the-inbox-issue-3

Indexed, Friday, 18 December 2020 16:05 (one month ago) link

xp Speaking of her core fanbase – I was chatting w/a coworker who seemed like a gonzo fan (based on his Slack comments re: Folklore); I mentioned Red, and he admitted that he hasn't heard anything earlier than 1989.

good karma, my aesthetic (morrisp), Friday, 18 December 2020 23:23 (one month ago) link

FYI, there’s an EP with a few different versions (mixes?) of “Willow,” including the one that brad posted above.

good karma, my aesthetic (morrisp), Saturday, 19 December 2020 02:43 (one month ago) link

There’s something so... relaxed, superficially “minor” about “Ivy” and “Cowboy Like Me”, a vibe which feels almost like a breakthrough in her songwriting (they’re not actually minor at all, of course - this is some of her loveliest songwriting, performed with great delicacy) - an increasing realisation that you can skip the exclamation marks and the bold underline emphasis and still capture something important and alluring.

Tim F, Saturday, 19 December 2020 05:43 (one month ago) link

^yeah, this is well-stated... these songs don’t have that slightly “show-offy” quality that her stuff often has (including folklore, even though its songs present themselves as “understated”).

good karma, my aesthetic (morrisp), Saturday, 19 December 2020 07:29 (one month ago) link

(and “show-offy” isn’t bad – just to be clear! – but I think one reason I connect w/evermore so much is that the songs work that other vibe which Tim expressed.)

good karma, my aesthetic (morrisp), Saturday, 19 December 2020 07:32 (one month ago) link

one of the tracks she's reused melodic phrases from in "champagne problems" is "all too well" but i haven't managed to place the others yet

― ufo, Friday, December 11, 2020

"i knew you were trouble"

for whatever reason, the one song that has really stayed with me from these first few days with this album is gold rush, which i haven't seen discussed much...

― petey v, Sunday, December 13, 2020

what popped for me at once on first listen: morrissey's coastal town, interpolated in a way that immediately calls to mind some of the conjurings of NFR! (CSN, Cohen, sorry haters!) which hey, we found the Antonoff track! (so everything comes full circle and on first listen it's my favorite track on the record, until the next one comes in to eclipse it)

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 19 December 2020 19:36 (one month ago) link

Huh, listen to “Cowboy Like Me” and Tori’s “Crazy” back to back.

Tim F, Sunday, 20 December 2020 00:49 (one month ago) link

now you hang from my lips
like the gardens of babylon

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 20 December 2020 03:02 (one month ago) link

yes, the phrasings in bits of cowboy like me are very amos also. none of this is a knock, IMO. I'm all for more people writing songs that sound like this.

i saw some people giving 'some tent like thing' some criticism but I really like that line.

akm, Sunday, 20 December 2020 17:43 (one month ago) link

Me too - it's a cool line, and doesn't seem like the kind of lyric she would normally write.

good karma, my aesthetic (morrisp), Sunday, 20 December 2020 17:48 (one month ago) link

that line is amazing!!!!

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 20 December 2020 17:48 (one month ago) link

(It reminds me of a particular band or artist that I can't place.)

good karma, my aesthetic (morrisp), Sunday, 20 December 2020 17:49 (one month ago) link

I think the comment I saw about that was on the hoffman forums, and someone did add "not sure what else she would have said, 'tarpaulin'?' and now I think "the tennis court was covered up with some tarpaulin' half the time, which is what elvis costello would have written and it would have been stupid

akm, Sunday, 20 December 2020 17:59 (one month ago) link

love Bernie Tarpaulin's lyrics

good karma, my aesthetic (morrisp), Sunday, 20 December 2020 18:03 (one month ago) link

i am unsure why i love "cowboy like me" as much as i do (maybe because it reminds me of "papa was a rodeo" if covered by emmylou harris) but it is full of some terrific and realized writing, including "some tent like thing", it really nails down the protagonist's vernacular. amy hempel could've written it. unshowy and minor as referenced above, but no less striking. actually even more impressive than the knockout one-liners she's proven capable of.

billy, Sunday, 20 December 2020 18:09 (one month ago) link

That line reminds me of Connie Converse's "some sort of a squirrel thing"
I've found myself starting the record at "ivy" and then just letting that last stretch play. "cowboy like me" my fave though

bunny slopes, Sunday, 20 December 2020 18:17 (one month ago) link

yeah "ivy" --> "evermore" is her best ever stretch of songs

billy, Sunday, 20 December 2020 18:21 (one month ago) link

"papa was a rodeo" if covered by emmylou harris

^nice! it also makes me think of "papa was a rodeo" (but I shied away from mentioning that, as it felt too indie-schmindie a reference).

good karma, my aesthetic (morrisp), Sunday, 20 December 2020 18:23 (one month ago) link

need more stately songs about reckless swindlers meeting their match tbh

billy, Sunday, 20 December 2020 18:31 (one month ago) link

i was talking to tim about this record yesterday and he pointed out that "cowboy like me" features one of her favorite lyrical tricks (which is all over this record), the repeated phrase that is altered by its new context each time it recurs, cf. "i haven't met the new me yet" in "happiness." "cowboy like me"'s is "i could be the way forward / only if they pay for it" which curdles into "we could be the way forward / and i know i'll pay for it." i keep thinking that insecurity and melancholy are the driving emotions of that song even though on the surface it is about finding love in your chosen field if that field happens to be con artistry, because it's a relationship where you're never certain if the person you're falling for is the real one, and you never know if they're ever being truly honest with you. and this is never stated outright, it just works through the song ambiguously, compromising every declaration of certainty, subtly poisoning lines like "i'm never gonna love again" from the very roots. it's great writing

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 20 December 2020 18:38 (one month ago) link

song feels bottomless both in its sound and vision

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 20 December 2020 18:40 (one month ago) link

we also talked about "ivy," i am sort of struck every time i hear it that it's the apotheosis of her career's worth of themes, the pull of an imaginary fairytale universe somehow unlocked by true love b/w the overdriven romantic and sexual tensions of songs like "treacherous," except in this song the latter so darkens and confuses the former that it feels like you're wandering through the ruins of a castle or a magical forest full of dead trees. it is so lost in this effect that lyrically she gives almost nothing away, there's so much allusion and incident that only sort of indirectly tells you what's going on ("and the old widow goes to the stone every day / but i don't, i just sit here and wait / grieving for the living"). it's like the song is wreathed in a fog. so often her successful writing is rooted in the specificity and resonance of her details so "ivy" really does feel like it has its foot in another world where nothing resolves so easily. so like while it's the apotheosis of her themes it delivers them with what feels like a new obliqueness and mystery

at least half of these ideas are copyright tim f btw

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 20 December 2020 18:52 (one month ago) link

I also like the "tent-like thing" line a lot, but I wish she'd kept up that voice all the way through the song. The "gardens of Babylon" line sounds more like Taylor Swift to me, less like something that character would say.

Lily Dale, Sunday, 20 December 2020 21:48 (one month ago) link

I'm sorry, the old Taylor can't come to the phone right now

good karma, my aesthetic (morrisp), Monday, 21 December 2020 23:50 (one month ago) link

i was talking to tim about this record yesterday and he pointed out that "cowboy like me" features one of her favorite lyrical tricks (which is all over this record), the repeated phrase that is altered by its new context each time it recurs, cf. "i haven't met the new me yet" in "happiness." "cowboy like me"'s is "i could be the way forward / only if they pay for it" which curdles into "we could be the way forward / and i know i'll pay for it."

Totally. She does this elsewhere in "Cowboy" with "I've got some tricks up my sleeve" then "You had some tricks up your sleeve" then "I've had some tricks up my sleeve," which seems simple enough but is a subtle and clever way to tell stories with the chorus not just the verses.

Indexed, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 14:39 (one month ago) link

Probably stating the obvious (and previously stated), but this feels like the "10 years later" version of Folklore: the high-school drama has turned into adult relationships and regrets. Today it's "happiness" that's hitting me hardest.

timber euros (seandalai), Friday, 25 December 2020 01:59 (one month ago) link

"the lakes" is the only folklore track i don't really care for so i am really surprised at how great the evermore bonus tracks are

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 27 December 2020 18:51 (four weeks ago) link

"great" may be overstating it, i wouldn't swap them for anything on the record, and "it's time to go" sort of confirms this is her joni mitchell record, taylor just had the good sense to cut "the windfall (everything for nothing)" from the official tracklist

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 27 December 2020 19:02 (four weeks ago) link

I think my CD is scheduled to arrive tmrrw. Looking forward to it

Qui-Gon's Noble End (morrisp), Sunday, 27 December 2020 19:12 (four weeks ago) link

lol I haven’t heard these yet but I still get the windfall joke

Tim F, Sunday, 27 December 2020 22:14 (four weeks ago) link

but which is 'Ray's Dad's Cadillac'?

kniphofia face (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 28 December 2020 08:11 (four weeks ago) link

closure sounds like casiontone for the painfully alone imo, i like its sentiment but it doesnt work for me

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 30 December 2020 19:36 (three weeks ago) link

Really nice songs, IMO

Four Jacks and a Jill (morrisp), Thursday, 7 January 2021 21:53 (two weeks ago) link

girl... enough

J0rdan S., Thursday, 7 January 2021 22:04 (two weeks ago) link

I guess “Right Where You Left Me” sounds a little like “You Belong to Me”... which is not an unwelcome callback, for a post-breakup song years later.

Such good lyrics—

I’m sure that you got a wife out there
Kids and Christmas

Four Jacks and a Jill (morrisp), Saturday, 9 January 2021 21:44 (two weeks ago) link

Wow, just listened to "Tolerate It" and "closure": p cool; 5/4 grooves were not what I expected from her.

Inside there's a box and that box has another box within (Sund4r), Saturday, 23 January 2021 16:56 (two days ago) link

I find “Tolerate It” pops into my head a lot.

one of the only artist who is genuine (morrisp), Saturday, 23 January 2021 18:56 (two days ago) link


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