NOT HUNTING FOR MEANING: a Jandek listening thread

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here we listen together weekly to every Corwood 'studio' release (excluding live recordings and ridiculous nine disc boxsets)

0739 – READY FOR THE HOUSE
0740 – SIX AND SIX
0741 – LATER ON
0742 – CHAIR BESIDE A WINDOW
0743 – LIVING IN A MOON SO BLUE
0744 – STARING AT THE CELLOPHANE
0745 – YOUR TURN TO FALL
0746 – THE ROCKS CRUMBLE
0747 – INTERSTELLAR DISCUSSION
0748 – NINE THIRTY
0749 – FOREIGN KEYS
0750 – TELEGRAPH MELTS
0751 – FOLLOW YOUR FOOTSTEPS
0752 – MODERN DANCES
0753 – BLUE CORPSE
0754 – YOU WALK ALONE
0755 – ON THE WAY
0756 – THE LIVING END
0757 – SOMEBODY IN THE SNOW
0758 – ONE FOOT IN THE NORTH
0759 – LOST CAUSE
0760 – TWELFTH APOSTLE
0761 – GRAVEN IMAGE
0762 – GLAD TO GET AWAY
0763 – WHITE BOX REQUIEM
0764 – I WOKE UP
0765 – NEW TOWN
0766 – THE BEGINNING
0767 – PUT MY DREAM ON THIS PLANET
0768 – THIS NARROW ROAD
0769 – WORTHLESS RECLUSE
0770 – I THREW YOU AWAY
0771 – THE HUMILITY OF PAIN
0772 – THE PLACE
0773 – THE GONE WAIT
0774 – SHADOW OF LEAVES
0775 – THE END OF IT ALL
0776 – THE DOOR BEHIND
0777 – A KINGDOM HE LIKES
0778 – WHEN I TOOK THAT TRAIN
0781 – KHARTOUM
0782 – KHARTOUM VARIATIONS
0784 – WHAT ELSE DOES THE TIME MEAN
0787 – THE RUINS OF ADVENTURE
0790 – THE MYTH OF BLUE ICICLES
0794 – SKIRTING THE EDGE
0797 – NOT HUNTING FOR MEANING
0799 – WHAT WAS OUT THERE DISAPPEARED
0802 – CANTICLE OF CASTAWAY
0805 – WHERE DO YOU GO FROM HERE
0808 – MAZE OF THE PHANTOM
0832 - THE RAY

beginning this week:

0739: 'Ready For The House' (1978)

https://corwoodindustries.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/0739-e1491239853555.jpg

Originally credited to The Units. The book in the window has been identified as a Penguin edition of the complete plays of Christopher Marlowe. "You think you're cool, a European Jewel."

see seth tisue guide for notes/lyrics (https://tisue.net/jandek) and chime in later this week with some thoughts...

maelin, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 20:43 (two weeks ago) link

are these available on streaming anywhere?

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 20:48 (two weeks ago) link

not to my knowledge. some early issues are on youtube. i will be placing a mail order with corwood at some point soon.

fifty two records. this should take a year...!

maelin, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 20:51 (two weeks ago) link

This is absolutely the sort of thing I'd be interested in doing but I failed so badly keeping up with the Xenakis listening thread. Too easily distracted by other things.

emil.y, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 20:52 (two weeks ago) link

i had a huge jandek phase in college and basically haven't listened to anything except glasgow sunday since. gonna try to keep up with this thread

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 20:52 (two weeks ago) link

*listens to "naked in the afternoon"*

amazing that i 1) almost never smoked weed in college 2) still enjoyed this music

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 20:54 (two weeks ago) link

I for one am gonna listen to (and enjoy) all 9 discs of The Song Of Morgan, fuiud

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 20:55 (two weeks ago) link

and i kinda think we should listen to the live records but i'm not too bothered one way or the other

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 20:57 (two weeks ago) link

like there's a reason glasgow sunday is my go-to jandek record

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 20:58 (two weeks ago) link

the original LP mixes are *very* different from the CD reissues, by the way

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 20:59 (two weeks ago) link

^that has been a disappointment ime. There are ten or so LPs in my community radio station library.

trip maker, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:02 (two weeks ago) link

is the LP mix on youtube or anything? I have it on CD

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:09 (two weeks ago) link

this should be it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV5Fa9LKxBU

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:17 (two weeks ago) link

listening now, it's amazing to me how "normal" this music sounds to me at this point

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:18 (two weeks ago) link

xxp are you talking about the noise reduction applied to a lot of material...? is there further edits? this is news to me

maelin, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:18 (two weeks ago) link

wow i've never heard ready for the house without reverb before, thanks for the link sleeve

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:19 (two weeks ago) link

i'm game for the live albums too, i just didn't think anyone would care. maybe we can adjust schedule.

maelin, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:19 (two weeks ago) link

xxp heavy noise reduction and added reverb, yes. also some very slight changes and edits that Seth Tisue goes into great detail on iirc

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:20 (two weeks ago) link

damn, the CD remaster is ear splitting compared to that original LP mix... shame the rest are unobtanium.

maelin, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:21 (two weeks ago) link

I figure this thread will be sparsely populated enough for me to give Dropbox MP3 links of any original LPs that aren't on Youtube

just let me know if that's wanted - I have them all ripped

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:22 (two weeks ago) link

bless up, sleeve

maelin, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:23 (two weeks ago) link

siiiick

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:23 (two weeks ago) link

or as it sounds on the LP, "sick"

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:23 (two weeks ago) link

hi sleeve, it's wanted

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:24 (two weeks ago) link

at what number did corwood stop issuing releases on LP...?

maelin, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:26 (two weeks ago) link

0760, it started at 0739 and there were 22

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:32 (two weeks ago) link

lmk if this works, zip file with MP3

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4uopfhhwvebomjz/JNDK%20RFTH.zip?dl=0

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:50 (two weeks ago) link

it worked!!!

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:55 (two weeks ago) link

"european jewel" always a shocker bc it contains chord changes

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 21:59 (two weeks ago) link

well ok it's mostly one chord but jandek does some traveling up and down the neck and plays a solo

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 22:00 (two weeks ago) link

BUGS IN MY BRAIN

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 22:10 (two weeks ago) link

so in general I subscribe to the theory that these first 6 LPs represent "fully mature" Jandek, probably recorded in the 76-78 era if I had to guess. and I believe the louder, more raucous multi-person stuff on the later LPs was recorded earlier in the 70's. Then of course by the time we get to Twelfth Apostle he is back to releasing things seemingly more or less contemporaneously with the recording date.

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 22:13 (two weeks ago) link

who the fuck knows when those spoken word discs were recorded, although I'm sure the noisegated dictaphone gives some clue as to its vintage

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 22:14 (two weeks ago) link

wow this vinyl rip is way less crackly than the youtube, thanks again sleeve, my life is enriched

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 22:22 (two weeks ago) link

lol now that I think about it, it was the single most expensive record I ever bought, yes it's in good shape!

once I realized how different the sound was I was helpless to resist, that stuff is like catnip to me

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 22:25 (two weeks ago) link

getting this on LP back in 2018 marked the return of my Jandek obsession in full force, and I was pretty much always a fan since college and even saw him in 2006 (Portland Thursday). But after I got this I ruthlessly tracked down the rest of the 22 original LPs over the next couple years.

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 22:27 (two weeks ago) link

thanks to ex-ILXor Stormy Davis for selling me a few of them!

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 22:28 (two weeks ago) link

other thoughts on this record...

I would like to see the Cease & Desist order from The Units (the band), how did they even learn about this LP existing?

soooo many of these early ones were sent to radio stations, a very canny move in retrospect

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 22:49 (two weeks ago) link

(college stations, specifically)

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 22:49 (two weeks ago) link

that is def where I first saw/heard one of the LPs in like 1987, after reading about them in either Option or Sound Choice

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 22:50 (two weeks ago) link

very interesting take on temporality of the releases... though i guess the cover art isn't chronological, either. i think i'll probably end up remarking on the photos and words more than the music.

maelin, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 23:05 (two weeks ago) link

I'm going to partner this with my once a week Heidegger, Gadamer and Hermeneutics research paper day. The permission these writers give to live in the most bizarre of world I think will partner nicely.

As a guitar tutor, Jandek truly feels likes the destruction of my industry and I am all here for it. I feel like I have heard these tunings and songs in the creation of some 6yo students in their first few lessons. Maybe I should start getting lessons from them.

Genuinely lovely lyrics on this album. "I poured a glass out in the rain".
Sounds like he is going to laugh in some of his lines though, which breaks the spell he's casting.

hrep (H.P), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 23:07 (two weeks ago) link

there's a LOT of incidental laughter in his catalog now that you mention it! good post, thanks! I love his lyrics as well.

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 23:17 (two weeks ago) link

True, very keen to run through these. Only listened to one Jandek album before this years and years ago so not familiar with what carries throughout the albums. Speaking of guitar, I am loving the complete irreverance he seems to have for it. Seems like a lot of your "let's get bizaro with the guitar" gang have these underlying heroistic ideas of completely redefining what guitar music might be. That vision seems to be communicated from the diversity with which "bizaro guitar" people interact with their personal bizaro guitar aesthetic. Jandek feels like he just doesn't care. Same tuning for every song. Same "low,high,low,differenthigh" note structure or "strum the same way the whole time". It feels like he really just wanted to get some poetry out there but realised that radio airwaves are a better way to get poetry out there than through trying to self-publish a book. I just get no hint of "I am trying to do something with this guitar playing", and guitar playing is the only other element than his voice in this album which really does feel like its trying to do something. Definitely respect the lack of revolutionary ambition in this completely novel album.

hrep (H.P), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 23:31 (two weeks ago) link

record really nicely married the bleak grey rainy weather outside. i listened to it three times in a row and now regular music feels like it's too much

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 23:39 (two weeks ago) link

bless you for this rip, sleeve

H.P, any chance we can get you to post apposite (or randomly selected) heidegger / gadamer quotes as companion texts?

budo jeru, Thursday, 12 November 2020 02:49 (two weeks ago) link

Inside myself there is no question
Just the jangle of our brain
Three times four is twenty-seven
Only fragments still remain

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 12 November 2020 03:19 (two weeks ago) link

it is actually an amazing experience listening to these songs while reading the lyrics lol

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 12 November 2020 03:27 (two weeks ago) link

It feels like he really just wanted to get some poetry out there but realised that radio airwaves are a better way to get poetry out there than through trying to self-publish a book

otm

bless you for this rip, sleeve

otm x 2

the late great, Thursday, 12 November 2020 03:45 (two weeks ago) link

yes I think "really just wanted to get some poetry out there" is a super good call

I like this Eddie Flowers thing:

Eddie Flowers. Quoted at The History of Rock Music, Vol. 4 (website). “The stark, painfully exposed, untuned-acoustic blues/folk that once made for such a richly uncomfortable listening experience now sounds focused and brilliant. it’s not that the music is any less dark, or the technique any more refined than it was 22 years ago; it’s just that the world has moved closer to Jandek’s reality. The anxious beauty of isolation and doubt.”

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Thursday, 12 November 2020 04:18 (two weeks ago) link

wow jandek looks great

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Thursday, 12 November 2020 14:12 (two weeks ago) link

I should do this, I have everything up through I Threw You Away and spottily after that, I'll wait for the sun to go down and jam Ready for The House tonight

chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 12 November 2020 15:00 (two weeks ago) link

I listened to ready for the house 2 weeks ago so I'm up to date on the thread.

European jewel is Jandek's pop hit

Politically homely (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 12 November 2020 19:03 (two weeks ago) link

that's a dissertation called

THEMATIC INTERCONNECTIVITY
AS AN INNATE MUSICAL QUALITY:
AN INVESTIGATION OF JANDEK’S “EUROPEAN JEWEL” GUITAR RIFFS

Politically homely (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 12 November 2020 19:05 (two weeks ago) link

I can’t do both this and the Xenakis listening thread, I’m afraid, but cool initiative nonetheless.

pomenitul, Thursday, 12 November 2020 19:06 (two weeks ago) link

i'm in. love those first two LPs

real muthaphuckkin jeez (crüt), Thursday, 12 November 2020 20:32 (two weeks ago) link

I too am in. I know the first four or five pretty well, after that just some here and there.

I lovehow RFTH’s first couple of songs almost have no discernable beginning or end. Like a 20 min song chopped up into random song-lengths, he just drones on. Needless to say I love it, it stops me in my tracks and demands attention. And i dont even know the lyrics that well!

A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 12 November 2020 20:38 (two weeks ago) link

i guess you
like it
that way cuz huh
you're a FLOP

real muthaphuckkin jeez (crüt), Thursday, 12 November 2020 21:09 (two weeks ago) link

so what do we think the classic Jandek "mic drop" sound is? you can hear one of the first (of many) occurrences here at the end of "What Can I Say, What Can I Sing" - it sounds like him kicking something, or a microphone dropping to the floor or being hit, or some kind of primitive reverb pedal, or hitting "stop" on an old clunky tape recorder... or??

I'm too lazy to sort through the Jandek Google group for this stuff and am mostly just sticking with Seth's website and the excellent Perfect Sound Forever writeup for background on these (https://www.furious.com/perfect/jandek/jandekreviews.html)

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Friday, 13 November 2020 01:14 (two weeks ago) link

(this sound always happens at the end of a song, btw)

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Friday, 13 November 2020 01:16 (two weeks ago) link

so in general I subscribe to the theory that these first 6 LPs represent "fully mature" Jandek, probably recorded in the 76-78 era if I had to guess.

also I'm gonna revise this date range to 1977-1981, when the 2nd LP was released. I do still think some of the later LP material was recorded earlier in the 70's.

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Friday, 13 November 2020 01:22 (two weeks ago) link

btw if u are bored, the search results on ILX posts for "jandek" are hilarious

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Friday, 13 November 2020 01:34 (two weeks ago) link

Sleeve, you are extremely kind sharing that link. I’ve made use of it but have only listened to the first couple of tracks because Jandek is not my typical Friday night music.

I would love him to do a live concert of poetry over Underworld style jams (which would be my Friday night music). It’s not unthinkable since we have already seen him overpowered by funk.

I am using your worlds, Friday, 13 November 2020 18:08 (two weeks ago) link

jandecks

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 13 November 2020 18:41 (two weeks ago) link

<3 Brad

I am using your worlds, Friday, 13 November 2020 18:43 (two weeks ago) link

Ready for the House
I always like how 'definitive' Naked in the Afternoon is. He knew *knows* what he is doing. It proves Jandek is a great lyricist, even haters should admire his skills in that department. It contains the sitar-like microtuning bizarro guitar sound which attracts the afficiniados (including me). If you hate that sound, you better Get Out. Rest of the album is more of the same of course, the noise reduction makes it even more eerie (on the cd version). Early phase Jandek, I imagine it went something like this. Jandek wrote lyrics during the dayjob(s), picked out one boozin' night, detuned his guitar, hit record and started singing his map of lyrics. It's basically one jam divided in multiple songs.

Ludo, Saturday, 14 November 2020 08:05 (two weeks ago) link

the wild thing, though, iirc, is that the guitar *is* actually tuned very specifically through the first six records. I think a different tuning doesn't show up until "Interstellar Discussion" so it's not so much "detuned his guitar" as "properly detuned his guitar"

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Saturday, 14 November 2020 16:16 (two weeks ago) link

Sure but does the tuning change between songs or only between albums?

Ludo, Saturday, 14 November 2020 16:40 (two weeks ago) link

iirc it stays exactly the same for at least the first six, I'd need to do some digging there but iirc it is mentioned in those Perfect Sound Forever reviews

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Saturday, 14 November 2020 16:42 (two weeks ago) link

sleeve, can you find the jandek guitar tab archive for me pls?

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 14 November 2020 17:04 (two weeks ago) link

lol idk, gimme a while

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Saturday, 14 November 2020 17:06 (two weeks ago) link

via Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/LetsTalkMusic/comments/743lxv/does_jandek_know_how_to_play_the_guitar/
From the wikipedia page:

Jandek unknowingly gave two unauthorized phone interviews in his entire career, the first conducted by fellow outsider artist John Trubee, for the aforementioned Spin article in 1985. In it, he admitted to having had musical training earlier in life, and refuted an OP magazine reviewer praising "May he never tune his guitar!" by stating that he did indeed tune his guitar, albeit usually to open tunings of his own devising.

tab for 'I'm Ready' here:
https://tisue.net/jandek/mail/mylist/2008-August/005019.html

that's all that comes up in a cursory Google search, though

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Saturday, 14 November 2020 17:24 (two weeks ago) link

<3<3<3

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 14 November 2020 20:56 (two weeks ago) link

my Six And Six LP rip for discussion, keeping to the "two a week" concept

https://www.dropbox.com/s/yhsb05hzfv5nur6/JNDK%200740.zip?dl=0

apparently my copy was Irwin Chusid's first, he later upgraded.

again, the mastering etc is very different than the CD version or the later Jackpot LP reissue.

PFS sez

MASTERPIECE un-remastered, (minor) MASTERPIECE remastered. (NOTE: You can only purchase the new 'remastered' version these days, bugger).

this thing is obviously a masterpiece within the Jandek aesthetic, some of his best lyrics and a "lithium-soaked" (my fave review quote) delivery. Somewhere buried in either ILX, Tisue's website, or the Google Group is a story from someone whose aunt (mom?) dated Jandek in Rhode Island in the early 70s, placing "Point Judith" in the overall Jandek context geographically.

I assume everyone knows about the Robert Johnson cover tribute/connection?

https://www.furious.com/perfect/jandek/graphics/jandek005.jpg

https://www.furious.com/perfect/jandek/graphics/jandek007.jpg

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Sunday, 15 November 2020 23:29 (one week ago) link

The tuning is different on "European jewel". The rest of rfth is all open strings in the same tuning

Politically homely (jim in vancouver), Sunday, 15 November 2020 23:40 (one week ago) link

ah thank you! yes, anyone who can parse the tunings going forward, I'd love to hear more. is this one the same as RFTH?

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Sunday, 15 November 2020 23:42 (one week ago) link

Tuning is covered extensively here

https://yorkspace.library.yorku.ca/xmlui/handle/10315/28169

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Politically homely (jim in vancouver), Sunday, 15 November 2020 23:44 (one week ago) link

oh shit I thought that was just abt the different European Jewel versions, thank you

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Sunday, 15 November 2020 23:47 (one week ago) link

Continued use of the “European Jewel” riff material lasts until the album One Foot in the North (1991).

this is totally fascinating, and sounds about right

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Sunday, 15 November 2020 23:48 (one week ago) link

big block of text about tuning in the first albums from that link:

Ready for the House introduces two of Smith’s main tuning inclinations. The first is characterized by what are considered conventionally dissonant intervallic relationships between pitches of the open strings. Guitar tuning for Ready for the House—rather than keeping only the outer strings tuned to Es, for example—features 4 Es, each detuned somewhat from the other but still recognizable as E variants.130 The first and second strings (both are likely first string E strings) are tuned approximately a quarter-tone apart. The remaining two Es (see Appendix A) are likewise tuned in an unconventional manner. The non-E strings are tuned to A2+ and B-flat 3-. A tritone-like relationship occurs between the sharpened A and the Es, which sound flat. The remaining B-flat makes for another tritone-like dissonance between it and the E variants. Further dissonance still is formed by the A/B-flat combination, which in effect creates a detuned, narrow minor ninth interval.

In the case of Ready for the House, all tracks but the last, “European Jewel,” are played on the guitar’s open strings. In most instances, dissonances that would result from the detuning are not as strongly perceived—or nor as jarring—as they would be if pitches were to be played harmonically (simultaneously) and at a stronger volume.131 Dissonance is, in some ways, mitigated by Smith’s mode of playing. Often notes are plucked or brushed lightly. They are also frequently played in near temporal isolation from one another. Overlapping between pitches often only occurs during the decay portion of the first pitch’s sonic envelope in the case of notes played individually. Regarding the second stream of tunings employed by Jandek, this begins with the debut’s concluding track, “European Jewel.” In this case, a tuning whereby the open strings form what is close to the notes of a major quality triad is used. Open strings major tuning is commonly implemented in blues music. Jandek’s tunings are, however, not standard in terms of the intervallic relationships which occur at the microtonal level (see Chapter Four). That said, when compared to the rest of the album, the tuning deviations heard on “European Jewel” seem minimal (see Appendix A), thereby providing contrast between the last track of the albums and all other tracks.

Smith likely uses two first string Es on the first three releases. One is positioned where it would be found ordinarily, as the highest sounding of the strings, the first string. The other is strung in the usual place of the second string. Chair Beside a Window (1982) takes this alteration a step further. On the recording the high Es are tripled. According to Corwood, processes involved for string choice were both practical and intuitive: whatever strings were available were
those that were used. This process of string selection differed from later releases where “matched” strings were used. Presumably, what Corwood meant by “matched” strings (this was not explained in full) were those which were intended to be strung according to their conventional placement (high E in the first string position, etc.) While on the first several albums the guitar is detuned in a similar manner, more conventional tuning—and indeed stringing of the instrument—is made with the fifth release, Living in a Moon So Blue (1982). Though “matched” strings became the norm for later releases, Smith continued to not adhere to conventional tuning systems for the vast majority of his solo studio releases.

Politically homely (jim in vancouver), Sunday, 15 November 2020 23:50 (one week ago) link

<3

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Sunday, 15 November 2020 23:52 (one week ago) link

thanks for your duty and charity sleeve. im lagging a bit. will keep this up to two/week now...

maelin, Monday, 16 November 2020 16:38 (one week ago) link

how is it they know me well at the wine store

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 16 November 2020 20:13 (one week ago) link

also the names of several future jandek records appear in the six and six lyrics

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 16 November 2020 20:15 (one week ago) link

fwiw i'm totally fine with, might even prefer, just one record / week, per OP

budo jeru, Monday, 16 November 2020 20:17 (one week ago) link

xps

budo jeru, Monday, 16 November 2020 20:17 (one week ago) link

cool w/me too fwiw

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Monday, 16 November 2020 20:29 (one week ago) link

it's also cool with me but i also wanted to add that i didn't notice "i knew you would leave" was 10 minutes long until i looked at the tracklisting just now. flies by

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 00:22 (one week ago) link

see also this weird note on the CD remaster via Seth Tisue:

...the new version is missing a few seconds of guitar playing after Jandek sings “Sometimes I know it not” but before he sings “As the air, no air is still”. (I’m not certain there aren’t other alterations.)

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 00:24 (one week ago) link

(re: "I Knew You Would Leave")

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 00:24 (one week ago) link

Put Six and Six on as I was going to bed last night, think I made it through the first three songs. Some cursory thoughts:
Jandek = Swans-like lyrics + song structure (one chord droning over singing of "the universe is everything" nonsense) with Bob Dylan vocals. There's the added element of the disonant guitar tunings, but I don't have the encylopedic knowledge to know what big artist characterises that to add to the Dylan+Swans formula.
Potential Taking Sides: Jandek Vocals vs. Bob Dylan Vocals.

His vocal style seems more subdued in this album compared to ready for the house. None of the swing that you find both rhymically and melodically on a song like "Naked in the Afternoon" on this album, at least the first three songs I listened to. In essence, it makes the album even less musical than the last. Ready in the afternoon really sounds like a boogie woogie in comparison to the hushed vocals over Takoma guitar pulses on Six and Six.

Liking this thread. Happier to go two a week but still happy to do one a week. leave it to Maelin's discretion?
;s

hrep (H.P), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 00:51 (one week ago) link

can't say how i know this for sure but six and six feels more focused than ready for the house; the songs are less like weird creeping plants invading every surface and each other and are more... song-like. h.p. you're sorta otm in your description but i find it *more* musical

the "take you to the sky" part in "forgive me" is devastating

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 03:01 (one week ago) link

Six and Six has the best album cover of the entire oeuvre, and it made people on the mailing list speculate for years how Our Man went to jail. (instead he probably just had a job as a CLEEERK. going to wooork)

Ludo, Wednesday, 18 November 2020 07:35 (one week ago) link

just looks like an old photo booth picture to me.

Im not sure I could answer "best album cover" for jandek. just a fantastic collection of covers

Politically homely (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 18:24 (one week ago) link

If included in what you mean BradNelson by "song-like" is "sonically-more-pleasurable" or "less obtuse" then I definitely agree with you haha. Ambient and harsh-noise are sometimes of the same essence, just on opposite ends of a sliding scale. Six and six and ready for the house seem to be of the safe stuff, but one leans more to ambient and one more to noise.

All that said, I think the crackling pops from the link Sleave posted contribute heavily to my opinion and I might discard everything I just said if I had a different rip of six and six hah.

hrep (H.P), Thursday, 19 November 2020 03:54 (one week ago) link

i've been a bit unwell, but i'll continue to update this thread each week with whatever record we're on. sticking to one/week for maximum mood...

maelin, Thursday, 19 November 2020 15:51 (one week ago) link

thanks, man. I'll post links after you bump it until we're done with the 22 vinyl releases. looking forward to spending another week or so with Six And Six.

howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Thursday, 19 November 2020 15:53 (one week ago) link

Lurking at the moment... Chair Beside A Window was the first album of his I heard and is still the first one I think of when I consider all of this.

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 21 November 2020 02:24 (one week ago) link

I’ve been slowly trying to work my way through all of the DVDs in order... which has been tough, cuz so many of them really do sound the same. The good ones, though, wow! Might stop the chronology and skip straight to Rudyard’s

EvanP, Saturday, 21 November 2020 06:04 (one week ago) link


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