Blue Oyster Cult - The Symbol Remains (2020)

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first new BOC in 20 years!

just started

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 9 October 2020 22:23 (two weeks ago) link

It’s out?!?!?!?

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Friday, 9 October 2020 22:24 (two weeks ago) link

yep out now!

from Nightmare Epiphanies:
It was raining acidic trash
on the moon
there crawled a fly
burning Teslas driving by
at the wheel
evil clowns
from the darkness
there came a howling

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 9 October 2020 22:31 (two weeks ago) link

wow Buck goes off on the second half of that song

so far the Buck songs are great the others...not so much

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 9 October 2020 22:37 (two weeks ago) link

That was kinda the pattern for HF and CotHM as well (though I quite like See You In Black and Old Gods Return)

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Friday, 9 October 2020 22:41 (two weeks ago) link

yeah Pocket was a real gem on Hidden Mirror

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 9 October 2020 22:46 (two weeks ago) link

Killer album!

A. Begrand, Saturday, 10 October 2020 00:58 (two weeks ago) link

oh shit

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 10 October 2020 02:09 (two weeks ago) link

buck sounds fuckin great

richie castellano's voice is way too... like... traditionally "good" to be on a böc record but whatever, i'm drunk and stoned and feeling it

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 10 October 2020 02:24 (two weeks ago) link

agreed that the buck songs are largely superior but "stand and fight" is rad and "the alchemist" is *very* classic böc to me, i.e. just bloom announcing evil shit at you + boogie rock dual guitar solo interlude

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 10 October 2020 03:03 (two weeks ago) link

just bloom announcing evil shit at you

lol well put

live at least i'm not crazy about castellano's voice. it's fine as a joe stand-in for hot rails to hell.

i really wanna listen to this but won't have a real chance til tomorrow...

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 10 October 2020 04:08 (two weeks ago) link

"Box in My Head" is hilarious in the best way possible

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Saturday, 10 October 2020 14:11 (two weeks ago) link

yeah it's such a weird/goofy chorus but it gets in my head

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 10 October 2020 14:21 (two weeks ago) link

I like Florida Man way more than I should

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 10 October 2020 14:35 (two weeks ago) link

A rock group pays homage to its most frightful character yet. His name is ‘Florida Man’

https://www.miamiherald.com/entertainment/music-news-reviews/article246334310.html

Thus Sang Freud, Sunday, 11 October 2020 16:18 (two weeks ago) link

I think wringing a genuinely affecting and someone eerie at times song from a concept as hokey as a "Florida Man" song pretty much defines what's great about BOC

going back to the conquistadors and the seminoles cursing the land and all their offspring was an amazing way to start

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 12 October 2020 14:32 (two weeks ago) link

The Alchemist is so fucking great

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 12 October 2020 14:33 (two weeks ago) link

There's probably a classic-Cult-album-length great album in here.

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Monday, 12 October 2020 14:42 (two weeks ago) link

and yes "Florida Man" actually works, miraculously

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Monday, 12 October 2020 14:42 (two weeks ago) link

yeah there's a pretty big swing between the really good and the dross but ultimately there's a good handful of songs that have that weird one of a kind BOC *feel* to me and that's pretty great for 2020

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 12 October 2020 16:55 (two weeks ago) link

fuck yeah

four tracks in, i actually liked richie's vampire track. an esteemed BOC tradition.

weird to say that i really hope I and they live long enough to see them tour this stuff

<3

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 14 October 2020 11:58 (two weeks ago) link

So far I don't think it's as good as the Deep Purple album but there's still a lot good about it. I feel like it starts out really strong with the 3 tracks that were released in advance and picks up again with "Stand and Fight"/"Florida Man" but my attention flags in the middle. A lot of classic BOC lead guitar, though.

I guess I'd be lonesome (Sund4r), Wednesday, 14 October 2020 14:49 (two weeks ago) link

This is (mostly) so great, lots of otm here. "Florida Man" is such a goofy concept and would have been so hacky in the hands of most other bands, but they pull it off - sort of in the tradition of "People Who Died" > "Pepper". And, yeah, "The Alchemist" is absolutely killer. I think "Secret Road" really gives me a great classic BOC sound, the back half of this record is so good.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 14 October 2020 16:40 (two weeks ago) link

i'm in love with "Box in my Head", just classic Buck melodicism with such gonzo/goofy lyrics in the chorus, I lol at a love it at the same time

i find myself singing it to myself butchering the lyrics like "there's box in my head and my head is a box and my skull is a box and there's a box in my skull and there's box in the box and a head in my skull"

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 14 October 2020 16:43 (two weeks ago) link

....and there's rooooom foooor us booooth

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 14 October 2020 16:44 (two weeks ago) link

big xhibit yo dogg we heard you like boxes so we put a box in a box in your skull energy

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 14 October 2020 16:45 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah, that was the advance track I came back to most. Early 80s AOR/new wave crossover feel.

I guess I'd be lonesome (Sund4r), Wednesday, 14 October 2020 17:52 (two weeks ago) link

Did anyone here catch their Staten Island show on Halloween night last year and live to tell the tale? I really wanted to go but the veil was too thin, I was afraid I might get vanquished to a demon realm and wouldn't be able to catch the last ferry home.

Deflatormouse, Saturday, 17 October 2020 03:15 (one week ago) link

i almost did but no. However, I did see them in Tarrytown a few months later - the last show I went to before the pandemic.

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 17 October 2020 03:40 (one week ago) link

Haven't heard the new one. I have everything up to Spectres and nothing after, probably need to get Fire of Unknown Origin or something first.

IMO Albert Bouchard was the best songwriter in BOC and at least the 2nd best singer. Much as I love Bloom and Buck it's not the same band.

Deflatormouse, Saturday, 17 October 2020 05:11 (one week ago) link

Fire and Cultosaurus are both super key imo

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 17 October 2020 05:50 (one week ago) link

the absence of albert bouchard shouldn’t dissuade you from checking out the revölution by night either

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 17 October 2020 05:52 (one week ago) link

well
not *just* a. bouchard but especially a. bouchard.
been meaning to get those albums for years, of course.
bloom and roser steal the show on their 70s albums so no doubt they can carry the band.
when i get really into a boc tune and look at the credits to ser who wrote the music it's a. bouchard like 3 times out of 4 tho.

Deflatormouse, Saturday, 17 October 2020 06:18 (one week ago) link

he's the gene clark of blue oyster cult

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 17 October 2020 14:08 (one week ago) link

He’s releasing his own new version of Imaginos next month (Reimaginos)

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 17 October 2020 14:17 (one week ago) link

hey i feel you deflatormouse, albert bouchard is also my favorite böc member, one of my favorite drummers of all time

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 17 October 2020 14:18 (one week ago) link

wait for real???

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 17 October 2020 14:18 (one week ago) link

fuck i love imaginos

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 17 October 2020 14:18 (one week ago) link

yeah i saw a video from reimaginos

imaginos it's hard for me to get past that horrid production

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 17 October 2020 14:23 (one week ago) link

there's also an albert bouchard demo tape of imaginos from back in the day, floating around the internet.

Thus Sang Freud, Saturday, 17 October 2020 15:27 (one week ago) link

ooh I'd like to hear that

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 17 October 2020 20:12 (one week ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soOHIaSyqtU

Thus Sang Freud, Saturday, 17 October 2020 21:27 (one week ago) link

Yeah I wish those demos sounded just a tad better, a lower generation source must exist

I’m kind of split on imaginos, Albert did not quite have the voice to carry the whole thing but then the official release is such an awkward monster

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 17 October 2020 22:47 (one week ago) link

I must say I weirdly enjoy the cock rock singer they bring in for “Siege & Investiture” though

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 17 October 2020 22:48 (one week ago) link

Also while we are on the subject Albert’s album with the Brain Surgeons, “Denial of Death”, is kind of essential

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 17 October 2020 22:49 (one week ago) link

i saw the brain surgeons circa that record, at a backyard in brooklyn. i spoke to albert for a few minutes. we were chatting about the kiss/teenage lust/iggy/BOC show i'd seen when i was, like, 15 at the old academy of music (later the palladium, now an nyu dorm). it was kiss' first appearance in a concert hall. albert remembered their roadie running in to the dressing room and saying "hey guys, the singer for the opening act just set his hair on fire!" albert was, like, "fuck, how are we gonna follow that?!?"

'Brooklyn Woodstock' breast cancer benefit on a Midwood porch, Sat 6/10

Thus Sang Freud, Saturday, 17 October 2020 23:10 (one week ago) link

^LOL!!

I’m kind of split on imaginos, Albert did not quite have the voice to carry the whole thing but then the official release is such an awkward monster

― covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Saturday, October 17, 2020 6:47 PM (fifty-nine minutes ago)

tbf these are not his best vocal takes, maybe he's just getting ideas down but yeah listening to this I wanna hear Eric Bloom singing and Buck Dharma playing guitar. It's like a cupcake without the icing or something, it's still recognizably a cupcake. Idk that sounds dumb.

See, this is where Blue Oyster Cult starts to lose a little of its potency, when they brought in these damn portastudios and then Agents of Fortune is more like the White Album where everyone has their little corner and the band reconvenes to basically copy shit off the demo. BOC do not need portastudios, they just need a pile of Sandy Perlman lyrics and a dilapidated house in Long Island where they can convene in a moldy basement to put their stuff together collaboratively. Not that those later records are bad by any stretch, don't get me wrong I like that stuff a lot too.

I Ching this morning said 枯楊生稊,老夫得其女妻,无不利。(rougly: A withered willow tree sprouts new shoots, an elderly man takes a young bride, there is nothing that is not beneficial). I think the advice in this is to check out the new BOC record.

Full disclosure, Albert Bouchard is my friend's dad and I used to go to parties at his house in fuckin' Great Neck when I was younger. Fwiw I don't think I am biased because he was my favorite member of BOC for years before that.

Deflatormouse, Sunday, 18 October 2020 00:41 (one week ago) link

I agree that it becomes a different band agents through mirrors (cultosaurus and fire kind of seeming to blend that vibe back with the original 3 album one somehow) that demands a different appreciation

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Sunday, 18 October 2020 00:46 (one week ago) link

haha full disclosure: eric bloom is the uncle of my best friend when i was growing up, which is how i wound up at the academy of music when i was 15.

Thus Sang Freud, Sunday, 18 October 2020 00:54 (one week ago) link

damn crazy BOC connections

my controversial opinion:
Spectres is secretly better than Agents of Fortune but Reaper is so iconic it fools people

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 18 October 2020 00:57 (one week ago) link

Only listened to this album once through but I liked it a lot more than I thought I would. It's kind of like the most recent Judas Priest album where it's like "here's one of basically everything you guys like about us" — and that's good, because *ducks* BÖC have no front-to-back great albums; they always go off the rails somehow (usually with a fake doo-wop song or some gooey ballad) so this "new songs that sound like a greatest hits comp" approach was absolutely the right move. I'm gonna listen to it a few more times for sure.

I haven't heard the new Deep Purple album because to me DP were even worse than BÖC at the whole "two or three great songs, everything else is mediocre or awful" approach to album-making. May I recommend that y'all check out the last few Uriah Heep albums, though? They've done about five in a row now since 2008 that have been ridiculously solid — not great, because they were never great, but B+ material for sure.

but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 18 October 2020 01:06 (one week ago) link

xp dpectres is better than agents of fortune! reaper is not even the best song on it imo, i would say their best album is secret treaties, followed by tyranny and mutation but i don't have all the later ones so am unqualified to say. i would probably like their early 80s albums a lot.

Deflatormouse, Sunday, 18 October 2020 01:08 (one week ago) link

heh, well, at least you ducked :)

Deflatormouse, Sunday, 18 October 2020 01:09 (one week ago) link

yeah that’s certainly blatantly wrong

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 18 October 2020 12:39 (one week ago) link

You think they have a front-to-back great album with no bad songs or missteps? Which one is it? I own everything from the debut through Fire of Unknown Origin and the only one where I never skip a track is Secret Treaties.

but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 18 October 2020 13:05 (one week ago) link

Secret Treaties is perfect

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 18 October 2020 13:11 (one week ago) link

there are no bad tracks on either secret treaties or fire of unknown origin. tyranny and mutation too

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 18 October 2020 13:22 (one week ago) link

honestly i love every song on agents of fortune and spectres too

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 18 October 2020 13:23 (one week ago) link

Cagey Cretins is the somewhat skippable track on Secret Treaties imo. Tyranny and Mutation is more reliable but the highs are higher on Secret Treaties. Supposedly The Marshall Plan is the real dog on Cultosaurus but I harbour a sneaking admiration for it.

logout option: disabled (Matt #2), Sunday, 18 October 2020 13:25 (one week ago) link

I feel like Fire... falls apart in the second half. The best song after "Sole Survivor" is "Joan Crawford," and there are some painful keyboard choices on "After Dark" and "Don't Turn Your Back."

but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 18 October 2020 13:27 (one week ago) link

man who gives a shit both of those songs rip

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 18 October 2020 13:28 (one week ago) link

"after dark" in particular boogies

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 18 October 2020 13:28 (one week ago) link

i recommend not listening to it through one's hangups about synth tones but i also loooove the 8-bit-sounding chimes on "after dark"

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 18 October 2020 13:31 (one week ago) link

painful keyboard choices

8-bit-sounding chimes

Okay, clearly I NEED this record.

Deflatormouse, Sunday, 18 October 2020 18:26 (one week ago) link

Adore all the synth work on FOUO

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Sunday, 18 October 2020 21:54 (one week ago) link

my controversial opinion:
Spectres is secretly better than Agents of Fortune but Reaper is so iconic it fools people

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown),

even more controversial opinion:
side 2 of agents of fortune is better than side 1. morning final/tenderloin/debbie denise ftw.
i agree with brad tho, love every song on it.

Deflatormouse, Monday, 19 October 2020 06:50 (one week ago) link

so I streamed FOUO on youtube and about half the new album.

can't write a long post now but when i heard them sing "joan crawford has risen from the grave!" for the first time I laughed so hard my side hurt.

only regret is that i waited so long to check out this wonderful album.

Deflatormouse, Monday, 19 October 2020 07:00 (one week ago) link

reaper is insanely great i think i just feel this disconnect between reaper and everything else, so when i feel like listening to blue oyster cult it's not the vibe i have in mind, and when i feel like listening to reaper none of their other songs really satisfy that.

Deflatormouse, Monday, 19 October 2020 07:22 (one week ago) link

yeah reaper is such a singular work of art
i hate that fucking stupid snl sketch
but nothing anyone ever did is like it

"I Love the Night" maybe comes close to the vibe, the weird romantic creepiness

Fire of Unknown Origin is so good

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 19 October 2020 14:15 (one week ago) link

even more controversial opinion:
side 2 of agents of fortune is better than side 1. morning final/tenderloin/debbie denise ftw.

it's true

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 19 October 2020 14:20 (one week ago) link

also: mirrors is really fun and consistent

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 19 October 2020 14:21 (one week ago) link

I wish Mirrors didn't have such brittle production

I'm pretty on board Side 2 of AoF being better but only ETI is making me pause

that anthemic chorus melody mixed with the bizarre lyrics

All praise
He's found the awful truth, Balthazar
He's found the saucer news

is one of my fav BOC moments ever

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 19 October 2020 14:23 (one week ago) link

I think I underrated Mirrors for a while because it kicks off with Dr. Music one of the corniest songs they ever wrote

In Thee is one of their prettiest songs

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 19 October 2020 14:24 (one week ago) link

yesss "eti" is one of my absolute favorite böc songs

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 19 October 2020 14:24 (one week ago) link

BTW was looking up lyrics on the new album and I really like the pre chorus (?) on It Was Me, but I'd been hearing it as "I'm the sad man that the ladies tease" and it's really "I'm the Saturn man that ladies tease"

classic wtf BOC word choice.

Do we know who wrote lyrics on this? My friend said one was a Richard Meltzer

You'll feel me in the urban breeze
I'll be there when the moment's seized
I'm the Saturn man that the ladies tease
Yeah, my darlin', that is me

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 19 October 2020 14:29 (one week ago) link

According to wiki the lyrics for that one are from author John Shirley. Meltzer only wrote for "The Return of St. Cecilia" on this new one.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 19 October 2020 14:32 (one week ago) link

hmmm interesteing. "St. Celicia" is a callback to the Stalk-Forrest Group song (which oddly Meltzer didn't write) so I wonder if it is something old of his they had sitting around?

I know that has happened before, he was pissed about Burning For You I think because they hadn't been in contact with him and just used it, not sure what their relationship is now

thought I suppose Meltzer has probably softened some and tbh could probably use money coming in the door

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 19 October 2020 14:47 (one week ago) link

"Box in My Head" feels very They Might Be Giants to me ("Dead," "Birdhouse in Your Soul").

Something I like about early BÖC is that they're in this uncanny space between dangerous and goofy. The murky, distant sound of the first album captures this best for me, where you can't quite discern whether you're on genuinely evil territory or not. The band sounds sharper after that, but never as mysterious. It feels of a piece with the schizophrenic attitude toward sheer evil in Last House on the Left (released the same year), an end-of-the-sixties thing, even though album and film are totally different experiences.

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Monday, 19 October 2020 16:48 (one week ago) link

that anthemic chorus melody mixed with the bizarre lyrics

All praise
He's found the awful truth, Balthazar
He's found the saucer news

is one of my fav BOC moments ever

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, October 19, 2020 10:23 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

This is my fav BOC moment ever.

It's the song I'd like playing as I line dance into the alien ship come to abduct me.

The rest of the album is incredible, too.

Quiet Storm Thorgerson (PBKR), Monday, 19 October 2020 17:08 (one week ago) link

everyone knows rock attained perfection in 1980, on the second side of cultösaurus erectus, at some point in the middle of “fallen angel.” it’s scientific fact

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 19 October 2020 21:30 (one week ago) link

I thought that moment occurred during the jazz interlude of "Monsters."

henry s, Monday, 19 October 2020 21:32 (one week ago) link


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