I hate ILoveMusic, it's got too many POLLS - Artist Poll #104 - THE REPLACEMENTS - RESULTS

Uh-oh, the image I had for that track featured him alone! People will have been shaking their heads at my cluelessness.

Incidentally, something I was going to say at the relevant point yesterday: I think PTMM-era versions of "CHW" are easily the best and I'll have none of that "it was perfected years earlier" tomfoolery. My most important criterion in such judgements is the calibre of the instrumental punctuation of the "hurry up! hurry up!" bit. I'm yet to hear an earlier recording that beats that there horn arrangement in those crucial seconds.

Nobody said it was perfected earlier. It hadn’t been finished as a song. Just that some of us feel there was some energy in the proto-version that seemed to go missing in the, um, final product.

Uh-oh, the image I had for that track featured him alone! People will have been shaking their heads at my cluelessness.

Yep. Upping the melodrama for my own emusement. :)

Re CHW: not a response to anything in this particular thread. Just a minority view I've see occasionally w̶h̶o̶s̶e̶ ̶a̶d̶h̶e̶r̶e̶n̶t̶s̶ ̶s̶h̶a̶l̶l̶ ̶b̶e̶ ̶f̶i̶r̶s̶t̶ ̶u̶p̶ ̶a̶g̶a̶i̶n̶s̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶w̶a̶l̶l̶

Also, because I seemingly don't read all posts thoroughly during the actual rollout: is the little coda on "Bastards" widely disliked then?

I think it's... quite good. Better than a vanilla fadeout on the recording and a handy cue for kicking in your speaker.

Is it widely hated? Maybe. I remember reading that some people in Elvis’s camp, or maybe it was Chips Moman himself, hated the false ending on “Suspicious Minds.”

shit, I really shouldn’t have missed this one. great poll!

“Treatment Bound” way too low; “Alex Chilton” way too high;

I bought that fucking issue of Spin (dullsville, iirc). The whole idea of “next Replacements” is terrible; Spin sold me the Goo Goo Dolls and I have never purchased a worse record; this is a band that sports radio jocks talk about lovingly—terrible influence! They’re the American equivalent of Britpop.

q: is it true that Rod Stewart nearly covered “Sixteen Blue”? (which, btw: too low!)

most of the early punk/hardcore stuff this poll lis for me way better in that one famous 1981 live show: I don’t wanna hear anything studio before _Hootenany_

in conclusion: greal poll!

ps—drunk!

Show up late, show up drunk, or don't show up at all.

Sorry, that was the motto of an Austin band called Doctor's Mob, "Austin's answer to The Replacements."

i) Someone raised the Rod Stewart question in the other thread. I really want to hear such a cover dammit.

ii) I have a feeling radio here may have been fading "Suspicious Minds" out early. Amazed that I've not noticed that oddness until right now.

Felton Jarvis added it - because Elvis was doing something like it in the Vegas show? - and Chips never liked it.

If only Jim Dickinson were alive to tell us the real story.

I swear to god those first two Goo Goo Dolls records on Metal Blade rule and people should check them out

Nag I'm totally with you on CHW, I think the PTMM version is where they nailed it. I do like the earliest versions with Bob 'crummy water tower' shredding, but think they rightly shelved the Tim versions. but I'm a child of the 70s, give me strings and horns or get out!

I too prefer the PTMM version. It was so exciting and thrilling at the time to anticipate what the 'mats would do on their next record, and to paraphrase Kirk Hammett (in the Rush doc, talking about 2112), "I.O.U." through "Can't Hardly Wait" took me on a journey, man. I also bought the 45 because of the b-side, but hated the Iovine mix; the little echo/delay after "try" felt so trite.

Yeah, the arrangement on PTMM I also like best due to the fact that other earlier versions lack the necessary heavy emphasized punctuations in the “hurry up!” part. But The Who comparisons are belabored because if any parallel between them and any classic British Invasion band exists it would be with The Kinks: song-centric where The Who were more kinda about chops, plus the fact that they were kinda unsuccessful while The Who were stadium kings. That’s how I always saw it anyways.

Also, because I seemingly don't read all posts thoroughly during the actual rollout: is the little coda on "Bastards" widely disliked then?

I think it's... quite good. Better than a vanilla fadeout on the recording and a handy cue for kicking in your speaker.

― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Wednesday, October 14, 2020 10:55 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

never cared much for it, but don’t really hate it at this point. It’s just ingrained in the song. Just felt there’s something a notch better up than that they could’ve put in its place.

Apparently it was spliced in from an earlier session or something.

I'm only here to see where "Within Your Reach" placed because it's the only Replacements song I like

obv should have been #1

Great poll, and I apologize for having been too busy and distracted lately to have taken part in the rollout discussion. My ballot(s):

TRACKS (ranked)
Can’t Hardly Wait
Hold My Life
Valentine
I Will Dare
Here Comes a Regular
Hangin’ Downtown
Bastards of Young
Unsatisfied
Takin’ a Ride
I’ll Be You
Alex Chilton
Customer
The Ledge
Tommy Gets His Tonsils Out
Careless
Left of the Dial
I Don’t Know
I Hate Music
Never Mind
Color Me Impressed
Shooting Dirty Pool
Sixteen Blue
Skyway
Kiss Me on the Bus
Waitress in the Sky
I.O.U.
Favorite Thing
Swingin Party
Little Mascara
Red Red Wine

ALBUMS
Pleased to Meet Me
Tim
Let It Be
Sorry Ma, I Forgot To Take Out the Trash

But The Who comparisons are belabored because if any parallel between them and any classic British Invasion band exists it would be with The Kinks: song-centric where The Who were more kinda about chops, plus the fact that they were kinda unsuccessful while The Who were stadium kings. That’s how I always saw it anyways.

― rattle, Thursday, October 15, 2020 9:45 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Good point, although the Kinks had more, and bigger, hit singles in the US (five top ten records between 1964 and 1983, while the Who only managed one, in 1967). But it's true, the Kinks never played as large venues in the US as the Who. The Kinks also had comparably volatile personalities to the Replacements, e.g., Mick Avory hitting Dave Davies on the head with his hi-hat stand during a show.

There is something from Bob Mehr in the book about Paul's songwriting trying to imitate Pete and The Who by having a few bars of guitar intro, particular during the Tim era, but I don't quite get it.

Oh, meant to post my ballot fwiw:

Tracks (Ranked):

Answering Machine
Hold My Life
Favorite Thing
Never Mind
Within Your Reach
Sixteen Blue
Kids Don’t Follow
Here Comes a Regular
Androgynous
I Hate Music
Little Mascara
Skyway
Color Me Impressed
Alex Chilton
Unsatisfied
Can’t Hardly Wait
Left of the Dial
Swinging Party
I Will Dare
Nightclub Jitters
They’re Blind
I.O.U.
Kiss Me on the Bus
Nobody
Valentine
I’ll Be You
Treatment Bound
Shiftless When Idle
Birthday Gal
Merry Go Round

Albums (ranked)

Let It Be
Tim
Pleased to Meet Me
Hootenanny
Don’t Tell a Soul

Solo material (ranked)

First Glimmer (Paul Westerberg)
Waiting for Somebody (Paul Westerberg)
Tiny Pieces (Bash & Pop)
World Class Fad (Paul Westerberg)
Ain’t Got Me (Paul Westerberg)
Black Eyed Susan (Paul Westerberg)
Popular Creeps (Chris Mars)
First Steps (Bash & Pop)
Let’s Not Belong Together (Grandpaboy)
Things (Paul Westerberg)
Century (Paul Westerberg)
Fast & Hard (Bash & Pop)
Never Wanted to Know (Bash & Pop)
Bullshit Detector (Chris Mars)

My only tracks that didn't place in the rollout were "Birthday Gal" and "They're Blind," the latter of which I think is one of Westerberg's strongest melodies.

seeing the Who comparisons reminded me that they covered I Can See For Miles pretty regularly on the DTAS tour.
does anyone else like the live versions of Answering Machine with drums? I kind of love it.
there's a blazing version here: https://youtu.be/gq6YsbS6iPA?t=3072

I had no idea they were that Who-indebted. Thirty years after they’re gone and the interest still develops. Just love for all the links and deep dive stuff.

seeing the Who comparisons reminded me that they covered I Can See For Miles pretty regularly on the DTAS tour.
there's a blazing version here: https://youtu.be/gq6YsbS6iPA?t=3072

wow...just...I mean, if I'd been at this show, my head would've exploded. Thank you, campreverb. Mehr's book mentions Chris Mars seeing the Who in St. Paul in 1976 and being "annoyed by Keith Moon." Not sure if Mars disliked Moon's playing, but he does really well here.

Paul initially wanted Townshend to produce Don't Tell A Soul. Pete probably thought, "I don't have to deal with Keith Moon anymore; why would I put myself in a situation where I have to grapple with four of him?"

the "bastards of young" coda has always reminded me of the end of the jam's "a bomb in wardour street" (speaking of the who)

Yes

I mean yes to what you said, not Bob’s beloved Yes.

yes

Why at night did Bob Stinson get all Yessed Out?

Chris Squire was a John Entwistle fanatic, and Bill Bruford hated Keith Moon. It's all a rich tapestry.

Reminds me of this old thread

Really do feel this band and its members are some sort of patron saints of mental illness. In addition to your, um, garden variety Hazelden alcoholism you also get Bob’s schizoaffective disorder and the schizophrenia in the Mars family.

yeah you’re not wrong

In other news, searching for my own playlist that I created to hold my Top 30, I accidentally came across this nifty playlist from Rhino: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7vOozeS5X4C3c69YKEop4L?si=kzGPqXp8QPyfgAMnm4Aebg

Gee, even the edition of Trouble Boys I have here calls that Westerberg album Suicaine Gratification. Three times over.

Got about 3.7K hits for the correct spelling and 2K for the wrong one, so yeah

And 7K for "Suiciane" so maybe other misspellings as well!

SUICAINE GRATIFACATION

(Belongs on The Flashy Crawl on Biryani Carts, Convenience Stores, etc.)

Suicaine Gratificati

suicaine grat

Suicune is a legendary Water Pokémon.

Genealogy for Paulus Suicain

Hindrik Suicka (b. - c.1724) - Genealogy - Geniwww.geni.com › people › Henrik· Translate this page
Father of Matts Henriksson Suickain; Petrus Suickain; Paulus Suicain and Thomas Suickain Brother of Johan Henriksson Suicka.

Americaine Graffiti

Someone should sue Paul for nuisance
god i hate that album title, misspelled