Covidiots in music

Is there any way to get an effective (cavity-preventing) amount of fluoride solely through diet? Or is that unprovable? There are a lot of things our body needs that have no definitive minimum.

As an aside, another example of a “beneficial” additive program is iodized salt. (though I guess if you consider salt as a food product, you then get into vitamin enriched bread etc.)

(It’s also not strictly comparable to the public water supply, I know)

The primary value of fluoride appears to be topical rather than via ingestion. So it’s the water contacting your teeth that makes the difference, not fluoride in your digestive tract. I.e., fluoridated toothpaste or mouthwash will do more good than any dietary supplement.

The link I posted above covers the same points brought up by Ghost and Kim, but yes, fluoride MANAGEMENT is a more accurate description of what they want to do. It's not just blind addition. As mentioned, the mineral can naturally occur in water, even in excessive amounts that would be brought down to ideal levels.

IIRC there's been a movement in EU policy to scale back nutrient supplementation in food due to concerns that people are getting too much of certain vitamins to the detriment of their health.

What we need is just the tiniest hint of LSD in our water so we can all be microdosing 24/7 and occasionally tripping balls after you mow the lawn on a hot summer day.

https://frinkiac.com/video/S05E16/Wa9cgW5IqzAf3Zmi7X3hxoLjTMY=.gif

"not enough research" is the stand-in for "I dislike this abd can't elucidate why".

Same argument against GMOs.

When you ask how much more research would be satisfactory to prove its safe, they say "none. None more research."

going to disagree. for one, about 80% of the food we eat is already GMOed, even if it's not advertised as such. and a lot of it would look very different if it weren't GMOed (https://www.businessinsider.com/foods-before-genetic-modification-2015-8). it can also help with things such as food shortages and protect against pest interference (https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/gmo-pros-and-cons#definition).

yeah, it really depends on the modification and the food and how much of it you eat, variety in diet, etc.

fluoridation - classic or dud?

going to disagree. for one, about 80% of the food we eat is already GMOed, even if it's not advertised as such. and a lot of it would look very different if it weren't GMOed (https://www.businessinsider.com/foods-before-genetic-modification-2015-8🕸). it can also help with things such as food shortages and protect against pest interference (https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/gmo-pros-and-cons#definition🕸).

“GMOs are so great, they’re leading to complete lack of biodiversity, ruining native soils, and leading to superpests, all so Monsanto can sell more corn and soy to feedlots and gas companies”

Sorry for my tone in earlier posts, it’s just that most of the “solving problems of hunger” stuff has been proven completely untrue re:GMOs. The problems of selection pressure and superpests are well-known— farmers are often spraying harmful pesticides and using GMO crops, leading to even more robust pests. I am tired of “science” and “solutioneering” being used as solutions to problems when the real problems are uneven development and the dire need for degrowth across all sectors.

I think one of the advantages of adding flouride to water is that it helps childrens teeth develop before they appear.

need to take a degrowth mindset re:children's teeth

What we need is just the tiniest hint of LSD in our water so we can all be microdosing 24/7 and occasionally tripping balls after you mow the lawn on a hot summer day.

Anecdotal, but the one person that I've had to cut off contact with because they're 100% anti-vax, all-in on Qanon, etc. is a daily LSD microdoser. He was conspiracy-minded to begin with, but microdosing pushed him over the edge. It's too bad, because he's a great recording engineer and multi-instrumentalist but is now impossible to communicate with without having to acknowledge the inside-out world he lives in. The last time I spoke with him, he claimed that microdosing was allowing him "to get so much work done" in fighting the government because he hasn't paid property or income taxes since 2014 or so.

Set an intention and trip safe everyone.

Yeah, I know a guy or two like that, too. Really sad.

Anti-GMO people are left's versions of creationists.

They're perfectly healthy.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2016/05/17/gmos-safe-academies-of-science-report-genetically-modified-food/84458872/
https://www.nationalacademies.org/based-on-science/foods-made-with-gmos-do-not-pose-special-health-risks
https://www.kqed.org/stateofhealth/185632/gmos-not-harmful-to-human-health
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2015/07/are_gmos_safe_yes_the_case_against_them_is_full_of_fraud_lies_and_errors.html

And please with the Monsanto boogieman. Corporations suck in all industries.

Soil depletion is probably a bigger health issue than GMOs and even then there’s little consensus other than “the food your grandparents ate was richer in nutrients than what you can get now”

Have zero opinions on GMOs but I did see some lib acquaintances go so hard for defending that stuff that they ended up arguing Monsanto was doing great work to help the global South.

Bringing up a bunch of mainstream news articles about the health benefits of GMOs will not sway me, and shouldn’t sway anyone else with any knowledge of how corporations and the food industry continue to place and pay for favorable coverage and laws about their unhealthy products and harmful processes.

just more bought & sold propaganda from the shills at "big science", corn was intelligently designed by the benevolent creator to be perfect & without sin

Bringing up a bunch of mainstream news articles about the health benefits of vaccinations will not sway me, and shouldn’t sway anyone else with any knowledge of how corporations and the pharmaceutical industry continue to place and pay for favorable coverage and laws about their unhealthy products and harmful processes.

As in all things, there are grey areas. Some GMOs great benefits. Some lead to more harmful practices.

https://www.cspinet.org/sites/default/files/media/documents/resource/CSPI_GE_Pesticides_final.pdf

I mean, do I think GMOs have done good things? sure. Do I believe that GMOs have led to monocropping, soil degradation, and an entire farming system that is one of the biggest emitters of greenhouse gases on the planet? also yes. This isn’t complicated, imo— the negative impacts of many GMOs far outweigh the positive, and no bullshit cornaganda placed lovingly in popular mainstream news sources will change that

Bringing up a bunch of mainstream news articles about the health benefits of vaccinations will not sway me, and shouldn’t sway anyone else with any knowledge of how corporations and the pharmaceutical industry continue to place and pay for favorable coverage and laws about their unhealthy products and harmful processes.

As in all things, there are grey areas. Some GMOs great benefits. Some lead to more harmful practices.

https://www.cspinet.org/sites/default/files/media/documents/resource/CSPI_GE_Pesticides_final.pdf🕸

people who post about climate doom and worry about their children’s futures and also unquestioningly support and insist on supporting GMOs crops have not a leg to stand on— go eat a perfectly round and tasteless tomato and watch the world burn.

eh, Monsanto Monsonto

I do prefer heirloom tomatoes. But it is weird how letting nature do its own thing means a much more expensive tomato.

Eating food is unethical.

Good interview with the author of Tomatoland - outstanding book on the decline of the tomato and how industrial farming in Flordia has helped to destroy its taste and ruin the health of the workers who harvest them. Worth reading if you're interested in any of this:
https://www.npr.org/2011/06/28/137371975/how-industrial-farming-destroyed-the-tasty-tomato

xp - misread as cilantro doom

contemporary tomatocide would not have been possible without Wal-Mart and the fact that they used monopolistic practices to basically financially force farmers to either adopt industrial methods (yield above all, and the various details in the article) or else grow tomatoes at a loss ... oh yeah, and NAFTA didn't help either.

If Alex jones pays for lying shouldn’t every celebrity pushing vaccines pay too ?

— M.I.A. (@MIAuniverse) October 12, 2022

Pretty sure we already noted her as such, but just confirming.

I gave up on her after she accepted the MBE. She’s a horrid person

I remember when Kanye West and M.I.A. seemed to be the best things about life while the rest of the world was getting shittier and more Orwellian, but 17 years is a long, LONG time ago.

She makes me sadder than Kanye only because I'm more invested in her as an artist. But her crackpottery has been evident for a long time. Oh well. This is why we don't hire rock stars to run health policy.

I like how the replies to that tweet are mostly just people going "Noooooo, not you!"

That documentary about her that came out some years ago was very good and made her seem likeable, very sad.

Is covidiocy still as prevalent? Its interesting people are still invested in it this long after its moment has passed

There's an ongoing vaccination campaign to give the idiots something to chunter about.

I think there's def a subset of people who are having a hard time letting it go. There were people on Oxford Street the other day explaining how you could get money to repay the damage done by vaccination, so it's in the "you may be entitled to compensation" era, they seem to realise they're not getting new recruits anymore without appealing to something like that.

I guess some ppl who make this kinda shit their whole identity will just jump from pet topic to pet topic but for others that's not viable, I mean if I truly believed anti-vaxx stuff I can't imagine I could go "well that's that over with now".

Oh that reminds me, coming home on the bus last week, there were a whole bunch of people waving yellow placards at the junction between Holloway Road and Seven Sisters Road and there was some covidiocy displayed. I mean, why and why there?

Someone I used to work with sends out emails about how to 'undo' the vaccine. 'Its not too late!'

The community that built up around it must be smaller now, and their opponents providing less to react to, taking much of the energy out of it. I understand higher profile people holding on to it longer, just can't really tell how much traction there is in anymore

she is one of those healing crystals people that have the inside track on the illuminati

A few weeks back I saw people on the Finchley Road central res with placards big on the 'stop killing our kids with your vaccines'. They are interchangeable with the '5G makes your brain shrink' and 'Wayfair pre-assembled furniture contains trafficked kids why else do you think they sell it for so much??!!' faithful.

I'd guess the only people with skin in the anti-vaccine game now are natural healing / homeopathy types, who were banging on about it years ago anyway.

Oh, and crazy people (see: MIA)

MIA also has a new album & thus invested in getting headlines

MIA also has a new album & thus invested in getting headlines

You would think the air would have gone out of "there's no such thing as bad publicity" a long time ago, but some people still believe it.