Covidiots in music

Noel Gallagher
Aphex Twin
Ian Brown.

Who else?

Mutya Buena

Jim Corr

Madonna

Rev Horton Heat

oh yeah in that case add Smashmouth

M.I.A.

Wiz Khalifa

Great White

Tbf there are different tiers of covidiocy. Each is characterized by a particular fixation: face masks, vaccines, 5G, microchips, etc.

Sammy Hagar

and jim corr is right at the top of the tree

Renaud

Julian Cope

not really

he might well be, list is depressing enough already

M.I.A.

― hey, trust the fungus! (pomenitul), Thursday, September 17, 2020 10:39 PM (fifteen minutes ago)

Really?

Technically she's an anti-vaxxer, but she revealed it in reaction to the pandemic. Counts in my book.

Julian Cope? Really? That one makes me sad

Brown and Gallagher have always been fucking chavs, although the former has written some great songs at least

Vanilla Ice

M.I.A. is just the worst. She practically wanted a parade for getting an MBE, which seemed to nullify everything she once appeared to stand for

Tech N9ne

Kaitlyn Arelia Smith is anti-vaxx, so she should possibly go here, too

I’m just gonna say Kid Rock

Tom MacDonald

Mike Stock

Tbf there are different tiers of covidiocy. Each is characterized by a particular fixation: face masks, vaccines, 5G, microchips, etc.

― hey, trust the fungus! (pomenitul),

Aphex Twin said we were a police state. I think that puts him ahead of noel gallagher refusing to wear a mask. It puts him in the ian brown category,

https://www.residentadvisor.net/news/72357

He was always a low level 9/11 truther but this was still a kick in the nuts

https://www.coronavirusworldnews.com/coronavirus-uk-the-thes-matt-johnson-spreads-bill-gates-covid-19-conspiracy-theory/

All weed-heads aren't they? Not judging just saying.

It's not easy to think outside of the hotbox.

xxxp RDJ also posted a bunch of covid truther links to his soundcloud when he uploaded that batch of tracks (I assumed that he uploaded them mainly to draw eyes to the links). Think he later removed the links.

what did Julian Cope do?

this tweet suggests he's being responsible but it's old

Due to the coronavirus pandemic, Julian Cope has – with great sadness – felt obliged to cancel the remaining five dates of his Winter 2020 tour. pic.twitter.com/o4q6EWumdn

— Julian Cope (@JulianHCope) March 16, 2020

Cope hasn't done anything. A poster decided to post his name as a 'joke'

To no great surprise, Ted Nugent

"covidiots"? ay ay ay

Nobody's mentioned Van Morrison yet?

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/music/van-morrison-fight-the-covid-19-pseudoscience-and-speak-up-1.4338343

Chuck D was posting conspiracy-flavored stuff a few months back; don’t know what his current line is.

Wiley

Yes Ivan, let’s bring back all those audiences that you clearly relish playing for any other time

Van Morrison has always had a few screws loose, unfortunately

Timely:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/entertainment-arts-54194498"> https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/entertainment-arts-54194498

Sir Van Morrison has accused the government of "taking our freedom" in three new songs that protest against the coronavirus lockdown.

In the lyrics, he claims scientists are "making up crooked facts" to justify measures that "enslave" the population.

"The new normal, is not normal," he sings. "We were born to be free".

Oops, fucked up that link:

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-54194498"> https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-54194498

Boomers gonna boomer

got nothing to do with being a boomer

yeah, almost all of these people are Generation X, not boomers

The list has a lot of people who have been known to be kind of gullible fools for some time, or people who generally have a reputation for ~not being very bright~ (Gallagher and Brown in particular) - but I've been struggling with my inner fanboy over the RDJ thing for some time, since he resurfaced around the time of Syro and started up with various truther discourse - so the covid stuff is not a surprise, but it's still v v depressing.

There are people where it kinda goes with their schtick, but with RDJ, I really wanna grab him by the shoulders and go "you are actually *smarter* than this?" He's bright, he's sciencey, he was educated, in that he got halfway to a degree in electrical engineering, this man is not a fool?

But I guess that's sometimes the thing with conspiracy thinking, that conspiracies can *be* especially flattering to people who have experienced being brighter than most people around them, (not hard in the music industry!) and this is one of those stereotypes I hate reinforcing, but Autists, especially ones with Aspergers, like RDJ, in particular are very susceptible to it - that if you are constantly noticing weird shit that neurotypicals just *don't*, that it leaves you very susceptible to believing that you have access to special truths that neurotypicals don't or can't see.

And for a conspiracy brainloop to really take hold, it's like it has to piggyback on something you already care a LOT about. (Like how anti-trans ideology can canibalise both feminist activism AND virulently anti-feminist activism, because these are issues that people care about very deeply!)

RDJ has always had a very serious anti-authoritarian streak. And this idea that 'Britain is a police state' - the thing is, there are many ways in which Britain already *is* very like a police state. All the jokes about 'rainy fascism island' are getting at something - the abuse of Stop and Search, the suppression of protest, the absolute impunity of the police to murder citizens with no repercussions, the wholesale deportation of the Windrush generation, etc. etc. etc. - but his established anti-authoritarian special interest doesn't seem to fixate on those genuine abuses. It leaps sideways onto something tangential which affects him (he can't leave his house) and instead of landing on something with a basis in fact (the Tory government is absolutely mishandling the epidemic) it leaps into 'being quarantined = oh noes here is the police state'.

Sorry to bring politics into ILM, if this was intended to just be a list thread. 'Why do people get caught up in weird conspiracy theories' is one of my long-term special interests, for obvious reasons.

you'd think maybe the group of absolute foolish poltroons (who most of you'd cross a road to avoid) who make up th C-19 truther gang might make RJD pause for thought somewhat? I find it unforgivable that ppl who are otherwise silent about genuine human rights abuses committed by the British state are jumping on the Icke bandwagon ffs!

Wiley's rep is so done in now he could become the official PIE spokesperson and it wouldn't be newsworthy!

Van Morrison already was affiliated with PIE as evidenced in his passive pedophilia song, Cypress Avenue!

maybe one for the PaedIdiots in Music thread where lots of legends of the delta blues who otherwise are treated with upmost reverence get brutally cancelled!

Is wealth and age the main factor (for musicians)?

Really tired starlings. Exhausted even

Noooooooooooo not Kim Gordon

Unless it’s more than just that one tweet, I’m not yet fully convinced. There’s a more charitable way to read that, i think. It’s awkwardly worded, but it sounds like she is arguing for a way to convince more hesitant people… maybe? But part of that more charitable reading is me really, really not wanting her to come out as anti vax.

If there was a liability factor with the vaccine companies maybe more people would get vaccinated .

— Kim Gordon (@KimletGordon) July 23, 2021

Said tweet.

Just paid attention to Jay Rock's verse on "Lockdown" by Anderson Paak. Barf.

Don't Love Lockdown
Don't Love loooockdoooown

Johnson & Johnson just reached a settlement in the opioid lawsuits, and they manufacture the single dose vaccine - within that context, her tweet doesn't necessarily mean she's arguing that vaccinations are medically dubious, but she should clarify that a bit more.

I don't get the analogy - if someone believes the covid vaccine is being pushed/over-prescribed and resulting in 100,000s of deaths (like opioids), then they're a hardcore antivaxxer who will never be convinced.

I don't think there's any sense or reason behind her tweet, it's not even worth wrestling with.

I'm more offended that she left a space before the full stop.

I don't get the analogy - if someone believes the covid vaccine is being pushed/over-prescribed and resulting in 100,000s of deaths (like opioids), then they're a hardcore antivaxxer who will never be convinced.

I didn't mean she believed the two were analogous in that way. If someone was angry/bitter that J&J got off lightly for the opioid crisis, that could color their view about anything they're involved with. But you're right that it's not worth wrestling with, I just thought it was a reasonable interpretation rather than jumping to the worst conclusion and potentially overreacting.

With Blecch curtains

― Two Severins Clash (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, July 22, 2021 8:28 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Just didn't want this A+ post from yesterday to slip by unremarked upon.

Fuck Clapton, but iirc he himself *did* get vaccinated and apparently had a particularly bad experience:

“I took the first jab of AZ and straight away had severe reactions which lasted ten days. I recovered eventually and was told it would be twelve weeks before the second one…,” Clapton wrote.

“About six weeks later I was offered and took the second AZ shot, but with a little more knowledge of the dangers. Needless to say the reactions were disastrous, my hands and feet were either frozen, numb or burning, and pretty much useless for two weeks, I feared I would never play again, (I suffer with peripheral neuropathy and should never have gone near the needle.)

Should never have gone near the needle indeed

I didn't doubt the negative reaction. A lot's already been reported on his physical health issues on recent years and how they've made it difficult for him to play. Before he announced his "last" tour (which, surprise, wasn't his last), he said he feared he'd never be able to play again due to those issues. It's just incredibly douchy and shitty when he uses that as a rationale to trash vaccines AND everything known about the pandemic altogether.

I mean he coulda also got COVID and died

(OT to Neanderthal - I just watched the "Dan Flashes" thing the the other night, that was great)

Should we intubate
If I saw you at Clapton
Was it worth the hate
To get Covid at Clapton

— Bob Fisher (@umlautilde) July 22, 2021

he said he feared he'd never be able to play again due to those issues.

Clapton feared, everyone else hoped.

Could he play before?

Evenslowerhand

A way to reframe Kim’s tweet in a form that makes sense (at least in a US context) is to ask whether full FDA approval, when it comes, will move the needle (no pun intended) in terms of persuading a certain segment of the vaccine-hesitant population to get the shots.

The timeframe for this has been a big topic of discussion, though, not something no one is discussing (per her follow-up tweet) – so maybe I’m putting the wrong words in her mouth.

Charles Hayward (drummer of This Is Not This Heat):

So sad to see Charles Hayward join the Covid Cranks. The conspiricist mindset has been there for a while, but one of my favourite musicians seems to be going the full Icke.
Tragic.

— Richard Sanderson (@Richard_Linear) July 24, 2021

Cited itt a while ago, still a bummer

I wish Phil Manzanera would tell him, "Quiet, son".

I think that might be a candidate for most obscure pun ever.

Thank you.

Impressive.

I was gonna go for a health & efficiency joke but couldn’t even work up the energy for that

If Hayward thinks it's all a hoax he should see what it's like in Camberwell now!

(best I can do at a pinch)

lol works for me

Nena ('99 Luftballons') has been at it again. Having previously supported the German anti-lockdown, coronavirus-skeptic 'Querdenker' movement and endorsed music by conspiracy theorist Xavier Naidoo, she encouraged her fans at a concert in Berlin yesterday to ignore the Covid-19 regulations and come closer to the stage. Nena then challenged the organisers to switch off the electricity, but instead they just cancelled her encore.

Beim heutigen Konzert von #Nena in #Berlin wird gedroht das, das Konzert abgebrochen wird, weil wie ihr seht, niemand eine Maske aufhat oder Abstand gehalten wird.

Und Nena opfert genauso herum wie #Querdenken. pic.twitter.com/FgjdZciMep

— Michael Mayr (Schlechter Mensch - Bodo S.) (@Nightmare_Keks) July 25, 2021

99 Luftmorons

A small update

I have removed the post where I name a certain drummer who has shifted over to the dark side, and considers the vaccination programme to be an extension of Nazi experimentation. I have done this because he has taken down the particularly offensive "Nuremburg" post -

— Richard Sanderson (@Richard_Linear) July 25, 2021

Perhaps realising that holding such views could be more detrimental to your career than a pandemic.
In the process I have lost several friends.😐
When friends start saying things that sound exactly like the stuff coming out of Trafalgar Square yesterday, they should be called out

— Richard Sanderson (@Richard_Linear) July 25, 2021

Hardly a surprise but Ryan Adams.

What's Susumu Hirasawa's deal? I know he's got some pretty odd views generally but I can't find what he's supposedly been saying about Covid...

can't find the ryan adams thing

(though did find an old story about bryan adams being real racist about it)

didn't Bryan Adams demand all his reviews be taken off All Music Guide once

What's Susumu Hirasawa's deal? I know he's got some pretty odd views generally but I can't find what he's supposedly been saying about Covid...

he's a genuinely strange dude on the order of Prince so it wouldn't surprise me if he was some kind of Covid truther. everything he's said on the subject has been super vague, stuff like "everything you've been told is a lie" and "the truth is out there". which I think has been a theme of a bunch of his stuff, as it always seems deeply wrapped in sci-fi and conspiracy shit - he's done stuff about the moon landing being faked and an entire album about alchemy, afaik he doesn't necessarily believe any of this but he's deeply fascinated with it. I mean he does sell Covid masks on his website...

Ok thanks frogbs, chatter on RYM isn't often a good indicator of anything but I got spooked enough to try and find some reassurance I guess.

You gotta keep ’em vaccinated:

https://consequence.net/2021/08/drummer-pete-parada-ousted-the-offspring-vaccination/

Covidiot SuperGroup:

Van Morrison & Ian Brown (shared microphone vox)
Eric Clapton (guitar)
Drummer from Offspring (drums)

...

the offspring drummer's reason for not getting vaccinated is about the only sensible one you can have

Disregard my prior post

His statement takes a big detour, though

I think referring it to “the jab” numerous times in the post was a tell.

yeah his statement is certainly a bit messy but not totally nonsensical, not really on the same level as most of these weirdos

Charles Hayward on drums it is then

Akhenaton, French rapper and member of legendary hip hop collective IAM, a year ago: 'I'm skeptical as to the real danger this virus represents'.

Akhenaton a few weeks ago: fuck vaccines, fuck vaccine passports, we should be allowed to welcome whoever we want at our concerts.

Akhenaton a few days ago: oops, I tested positive.

Akhenaton today: *in ICU*.