It's The Pleasure Princi-POLL -- ILM Artist Poll #103 -- JANET JACKSON Results Thread

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Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Monday, 3 August 2020 15:42 (one year ago) link

get it

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 3 August 2020 15:47 (one year ago) link

But first, a short interlude.

Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Monday, 3 August 2020 15:48 (one year ago) link

With three ballots, here are the top three Janet interludes:

3. INTRO (from All for You, 2001; 14 points; 2 votes) [tie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZNDeNtlVNI

3. LET'S DANCE (from Rhythm Nation 1814, 1989; 14 points; 2 votes) [tie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-h_MQBaYZA

Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Monday, 3 August 2020 15:52 (one year ago) link

2. T.V. (from Rhythm Nation 1814, 1989; 19 points; 2 votes; 1 first-place vote)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNNXQVFCdgM

Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Monday, 3 August 2020 16:06 (one year ago) link

what could possibly be #1?????

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 3 August 2020 16:20 (one year ago) link

1. SPEAKER PHONE (from The Velvet Rope, 1997; 28 points; 3 votes; 2 first-place votes)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4_m1qXxWsA

Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Monday, 3 August 2020 16:20 (one year ago) link

You #1 gon' swell up and fall apart.

Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Monday, 3 August 2020 16:21 (one year ago) link

Get the point? Good, let's remix.

Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Monday, 3 August 2020 17:08 (one year ago) link

Actually, with three ballots and almost no overlap between ballots, here are the full results.

1	If (Kaytranada Remix)	12	2

2 Go Deep [Masters At Work Remix] 10 1
2 Miss You Much (Oh I Like That Mix) 10 1
2 Alright (R&B Remix feat. Heavy D) 10 1

5 Alright (CJ Mackintosh House Mix) 9 1
5 Diamonds (Cool Summer Mix) 9 1
5 Escapade (Shep's Houscapade) 9 1

8 If (Brothers In Rhythm House Mix) 8 1
8 If (Adult Radio Mix) 8 1
8 Rockaway - J Dilla 8 1

11 Nasty (Cool Summer Mix) 7 1
11 Call On Me (Disclosure Remix) 7 1
11 Moon Boots - Sugar 7 1

14 Throb (Morales Bad Yard Club) 6 1

Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Monday, 3 August 2020 17:14 (one year ago) link

And, since I forgot to share earlier, here are the full results for interludes:

1	Interlude: Speaker Phone	28	3

2 Interlude: T.V. 19 2

3 Interlude: Intro 14 2
3 Interlude: Let's Dance 14 2

5 Interlude: Livin'... In Complete Darkness 9 1
5 Interlude: 2WayForYou 9 1

7 Interlude: Are You Still Up 8 1

8 Interlude: Promise 7 1

9 Interlude: Pledge 6 1
9 Interlude: Back 6 1

Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Monday, 3 August 2020 17:17 (one year ago) link

lol I think if I got my shit together enough to do remixes they'd all be stuff that wasn't on that list. Seriously, no one voted for "I Get Lonely (TNT Remix)"????

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 3 August 2020 17:20 (one year ago) link

Only voted for tracks; could have plausibly put together album and video ballots, and possibly should have. The interludes, though, are just a nuisance and I usually skip them or program them out (actually had a playlist called "Janet sans Interludes" for the purposes of re-listening/organizing my ballot).

A White, White Gay (cryptosicko), Monday, 3 August 2020 17:23 (one year ago) link

sorry stevie yr psychic hotline was closed

i thought everyone would vote for remixes!
oh well, i didnt vote for any interludes

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 3 August 2020 17:25 (one year ago) link

Fabulous thread title

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 August 2020 17:34 (one year ago) link

I'm pretty sure that someone here (Stevie?) put together a playlist that was ONLY Janet interludes once.

Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Monday, 3 August 2020 17:37 (one year ago) link

ha I didn't make it but I did search for and find it already made on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/42bXt23aO5Nkmqz57d3de0?si=niezKh6JQbK4aLXcChHQUA

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 3 August 2020 17:41 (one year ago) link

Next in line, according to the number of voters (5), music videos!

Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Monday, 3 August 2020 18:07 (one year ago) link

9. THE PLEASURE PRINCIPLE (1987; 23 points; 2 votes) [tie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-gu1KETjVY

9. THAT'S THE WAY LOVE GOES (23 points; 2 votes) [tie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2b_KfAGiglc

Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Monday, 3 August 2020 18:09 (one year ago) link

aaaaaaaaaaaaa

Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Monday, 3 August 2020 18:31 (one year ago) link

thats the way love goes video is great. i really just wanted to kick it in that room with all those people, well mostly janet. really warm and inviting, good lighting. has aged really well i think.

Spottie, Monday, 3 August 2020 18:33 (one year ago) link

I'm surprised "That's The Way Love Goes" is so low, it's such a moooood (also, J Lo)

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 3 August 2020 18:39 (one year ago) link

I def love the vibe of that video but I also like other videos of hers better too idk

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 3 August 2020 18:43 (one year ago) link

8. GO DEEP (1998; 25 points; 2 votes)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xjs7Vwf3t_E

Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Monday, 3 August 2020 19:03 (one year ago) link

7. ESCAPADE (1990; 25 points; 3 votes)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFX3gQHIroU

Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Monday, 3 August 2020 19:10 (one year ago) link

I discovered the "Go Deep" video going thru all her videos for this poll and I was blown away, I think it was my #2

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 3 August 2020 19:12 (one year ago) link

The "Go Deep" video rules

shout-out to his family (DJP), Monday, 3 August 2020 19:14 (one year ago) link

All that Requiem for a Dream shoulder-cam tho.

Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Monday, 3 August 2020 19:23 (one year ago) link

Wow haven't thought about that "Go Deep" vid for like 20 years. Very fun, very late '90s

bunny slopes, Monday, 3 August 2020 19:24 (one year ago) link

ahh man, the 'go deep' video. . . the things one forgets! i think that's one case where the video really sold the song for me. i was lukewarm on it as part of the album, but after seeing the video a few times, i reassessed and surmised that it's a solid groove.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Monday, 3 August 2020 19:31 (one year ago) link

6. IF (32 points; 3 votes)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTSd4vqnMwo

Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Monday, 3 August 2020 19:46 (one year ago) link

5. When I Think of You (1986; 36 points; 3 votes)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaleKN9GQ54

Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Monday, 3 August 2020 19:55 (one year ago) link

(Need to take an hour. Will come back then with the final four videos and launch into albums.

Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Monday, 3 August 2020 19:56 (one year ago) link

I didn't vote for videos and now I'm mad that "That's the Way Love Goes" was so low but I have nobody but myself to blame.

justfanoe (Greg Fanoe), Monday, 3 August 2020 20:17 (one year ago) link

IF video TOO LOW

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 3 August 2020 20:18 (one year ago) link

Wow, somehow I have...never seen that awesome Julian Temple-directed "When I Think of You" video! I'm a sucker for "one-shot" stuff (even/especially if it's easy to see some of the cuts)

bunny slopes, Monday, 3 August 2020 20:31 (one year ago) link

yeah i hadn't either. amazing!

Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Monday, 3 August 2020 20:41 (one year ago) link

i cried when the cops arrested the old white guy instead of the street dancers at the end

Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Monday, 3 August 2020 20:42 (one year ago) link

lol I read that the wrong way at first

shout-out to his family (DJP), Monday, 3 August 2020 20:43 (one year ago) link

Haha, me too. Yeesh.

Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Monday, 3 August 2020 20:59 (one year ago) link

4. RHYTHM NATION (1989; 39 points; 3 votes)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAwaNWGLM0c

Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Monday, 3 August 2020 21:01 (one year ago) link

how was that not #1!

Spottie, Monday, 3 August 2020 21:04 (one year ago) link

(BTW, that's the single song video, not the VHS "LP" thing.)

Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Monday, 3 August 2020 21:06 (one year ago) link

Sorry, forgot to include 1 first-place vote for both "When I Think Of You" and "Rhythm Nation."

Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Monday, 3 August 2020 21:12 (one year ago) link

03. LOVE WILL NEVER DO (WITHOUT YOU) (1990; 47 points; 4 votes; 1 first-place vote)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63zEDkg351c

Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Monday, 3 August 2020 21:12 (one year ago) link

02. ALRIGHT (1990; 48 points; 4 votes; 1 first-place vote)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8UidwWPin4

01. GOT 'TIL IT'S GONE (1997; 56 points; 4 votes; 1 first-place vote)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn6KpNLbUFk

Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Monday, 3 August 2020 21:28 (one year ago) link

what in the world

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 3 August 2020 21:38 (one year ago) link

i think "love will never do {without you)" would have been my #1. so simple and beautiful - salt flats, bodies, light

Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Monday, 3 August 2020 21:47 (one year ago) link

I didn't give "Got 'Til It's Gone" it's first-place vote, but I absolutely endorse it in the top spot tbh.

Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Monday, 3 August 2020 21:49 (one year ago) link

:D

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 8 August 2020 02:45 (one year ago) link

—VIDEOS—
Videos
When I Think Of You
Go Deep
Got Til Its Gone
Rhythm Nation long-form video
That's The Way Love Goes
Alright
Love Will Never Do Without You
If
Escapade
Doesn't Really Matter

—INTERLUDES—
Speaker Phone
2wayforyou
Let's Dance
Intro (All For You)
Back

—ALBUMS—
The Velvet Rope
Rhythm Nation 1814
Control
janet.
Unbreakable

—TRACKS—
Empty
Escapade
Runaway
Together Again
New Agenda
Love Will Never Do Without You
Control
Rhythm Nation
When I Think Of You
Miss You Much
Nasty
What'll I Do
Free Xone
You
The Pleasure Principle
Unbreakable
Alright
You Want This
Throb
If
What Have You Done For Me Lately
Rock With U
That's The Way Love Goes
Night
Someone To Call My Lover
Say You Do
Got Til Its Gone
Go Deep
I Get Lonely
You Ain't Right
Pretty Boy
Fast Girls
Don't Stand Another Chance
Any Time, Any Place
Whoops, Now
Feedback
Sexhibition
Where Are You Now
Doesn't Really Matter
Strawberry Bounce
SloLove
All For You

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Saturday, 8 August 2020 02:47 (one year ago) link

i'm kinda surprised "when i think of you" was the highest placing track from control, it's never been a standout to me in the way that "the pleasure principle" and "what have i done for you lately" are

ufo, Saturday, 8 August 2020 02:54 (one year ago) link

Great job!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 8 August 2020 05:59 (one year ago) link

ALBUMS
1
The Velvet Rope
janet.
Rhythm Nation 1814
All For You
Damita Jo
5

INTERLUDES
1
Speaker Phone
T.V.
Are You Still Up
Intro (All For You)
Let's Dance
5

TRAX
1
love will never do (without you)
empty
any time, any place
escapade
when i think of you
velvet rope
would you mind
that's the way love goes
all for you
go deep
---
if
rhythm nation
together again
someone to call my lover
i get lonely
control
rope burn
free xone
someday is tonight
you
---
all nite (don't stop)
when we oooo
let's wait awhile
runaway
miss you much
warmth
nasty
i want you
because of love
strawberry bounce
---
throb
BURNITUP!
slolove
dammn baby
anything
the best things in life are free
again
LUV
rock with u
you want this
state of the world
---
trust a try
take me away
got 'til it's gone
thinkin' bout my ex
whoops now
45

bunny slopes, Saturday, 8 August 2020 06:14 (one year ago) link

Thanks Eric and Spottie! Amazing poll, amazing images, and the top ten (really top twenty (really top thirty (really top forty (really top fifty)))) is unfuckwithable.

Tim F, Saturday, 8 August 2020 08:27 (one year ago) link

ALBUMS:

The Velvet Rope
Rhythm Nation 1814
Control
Janet.
Unbreakable

SONGS:

Escapade
Empty
If
Nasty
Miss You Much
What Have You Done For Me Lately?
That's The Way Love Goes
You
Someone to Call My Lover
Rhythm Nation
Control
Go Deep
All 4 U
Love Will Never Do (Without You)
Doesn't Really Matter
Rock With U
Runaway
All Nite (Don't Stop)
Night
You Want This
I Get Lonely
When I Think Of You
2nite
Should've Known Better
Alright
Dammn Baby
Any Time, Any Place
The Pleasure Principle
The Great Forever
Got 'Til It's Gone
This Time
State of the World
Because of Love
R&B Junkie
No Sleeep
Trust A Try
Strawberry Bounce
Black Eagle
Someday is Tonight
Velvet Rope
After You Fall
Better Days
Where Are You Now
Let's Wait Awhile
The Knowledge
New Agenda
Come Back To Me
My Need
Slo Love
When We Oooo
The Best Things In Life Are Free
Throb
Come On Get Up
Whoops Now
Can't B Good
Say You Do
Funky Big Band
Anything
Again
Daybreak
Together Again
Fast Girls
Spending Time With You
You Ain't Right
Pretty Boy
You Can Be Mine
Let Me Know
Take Care
Rollercoaster

Tim F, Saturday, 8 August 2020 08:30 (one year ago) link

Obviously the anecdote about "If" being a favourite song ever wasn't mine given I only voted it number 3 - maybe it was a Brad post?

Tim F, Saturday, 8 August 2020 08:31 (one year ago) link

ridiculously perfect list of songs, Janet 4ever

uberweiss, Saturday, 8 August 2020 08:39 (one year ago) link

ALBUMS

1. Rhythm Nation 1814
2. The Velvet Rope
3. Damita Jo
4. All For You
5. Control

TRACKS

1. If
2. SloLove
3. Take Care
4. Go Deep
5. Escapade
6. All For You
7. Rock With U
8. Love Will Never Do (Without You)
9. Feels So Right
10. All Nite (Don't Stop)
11. Lonely
12. Warmth
13. Empty
14. The Pleasure Principle
15. That's The Way Love Goes
16. Night
17. When We Oooo
18. Velvet Rope
19. Like You Don't Love Me
20. I Get Lonely
21. You
22. Strawberry Bounce
23. Truth
24. Together Again
25. What Have You Done For Me Lately
26. R&B Junkie
27. Miss You Much
28. You Can Be Mine
29. Dammn Baby
30. When I Think Of You
31. The Great Forever
32. Do It 2 Me
33. No Sleeep
34. This Time
35. Doesn't Really Matter
36. Black Eagle
37. Someone To Call My Lover
38. Come Back To Me
39. Daybreak
40. Trust A Try

uberweiss, Saturday, 8 August 2020 08:39 (one year ago) link

Tracks:

The Pleasure Principle
If
Escapade
Miss You Much
Empty
What Have You Done For Me Lately
That's The Way Love Goes
Diamonds
Alright
Lonely
And On And On
Velvet Rope
Love Will Never Do (Without You)
Runaway
Throb
Come Back To Me
Go Deep
All Nite (Don't Stop)
Rhythm Nation
Together Again
When I Think Of You
All For You
This Time
My Need
State Of The World
The Knowledge
Nasty
You Want This
The Best Things In Life Are Free
Black Cat
Let's Wait Awhile
R&B Junkie
I Get Lonely
Control
Because Of Love
Any Time, Any Place

Remixes:

Miss You Much (Oh I Like That Mix)
Alright (CJ Mackintosh House Mix)
If (Brothers In Rhythm House Mix)
Nasty (Cool Summer Mix)
Throb (Morales Bad Yard Club)
That's The Way Love Goes (CJ FXTC Club Mix)
R&B Drunkie - Mark E
Escapade (Shep's Housecapade Remix)
You Want This (E Smoove's House Anthem)
Rhythm Nation (12" House Nation Mix)

or something, Saturday, 8 August 2020 08:40 (one year ago) link

I haven't been able to get as involved in this poll as much as I'd like this week but it was still a lot of fun to follow and there's barely a weak song here. Empty and Escapade were both in my top three so I'm delighted with the result.

Thanks for putting this together Eric.

kitchen person, Saturday, 8 August 2020 08:56 (one year ago) link

My lists:

Tracks

1. Doesn’t Really Matter
2. Escapade
3. Empty
4. Someone To Call My Lover
5. When I Think Of You
6. That’s The Way Love Goes
7. He Doesn’t Know I’m Alive
8. Runaway
9. The Pleasure Principle
10. State Of The World
11. Better Days
12. When We Oooo
13. Come Back To Me
14. Control
15. Because Of Love
16. Truth
17. What Have You Done For Me Lately
18. I Want You
19. Love Will Never Do Without You
20. Any Time, Any Place
21. Whoops Now
22. China Love
23. You
24. Slolove
25. Nasty
26. The Body That Loves You
27. Love Scene (Ooh Baby)
28. Someday Is Tonight
29. All Nite (Don’t Stop)
30. New Agenda
31. All For You
32. I Get Lonely
33. No Sleeep
34. Lonely
35. Alright
36. Truly
37. Rhythm Nation
38. R&B Junkie
39. Velvet Rope
40. My Need

Albums
1. Control
2. All For You
3. Rhythm Nation
4. Janet
5. Damita Jo

kitchen person, Saturday, 8 August 2020 09:01 (one year ago) link

my ballot:
Empty
Escapade
Love Will Never Do (Without You)
The Best Things In Life Are Free
Velvet Rope
What About
Rhythm Nation
Any Time, Any Place
That's The Way Love Goes
All For You
Someone To Call My Lover
The Pleasure Principle
What Have You Done For Me Lately
Night
Because Of Love
Come On Get Up
If
Throb
Come Back to Me
Alright
This Time
Dammn Baby
You
Better Days
Lonely
Rope Burn
Someday Is Tonight
Together Again
Got 'til It's Gone
You Want This
Well Traveled
The Great Forever
Where Are You Now
No Sleeep
Go Deep
Unbreakable
State Of The World
Miss You Much
Nasty
(unranked portion):
Let's Wait Awhile
The Body That Loves You
When I Think of You
Whoops Now
Free Xone
Special
Strawberry Bounce
Control
I Get Lonely
Broken Hearts Heal

albums:
The Velvet Rope
Rhythm Nation 1814
Janet
Unbreakable
Control

ufo, Saturday, 8 August 2020 09:29 (one year ago) link

Was I the only one who didn't vote for "Escapade"?

Tracks:

Together Again
What Have You Done for Me Lately
Empty
If
Velvet Rope
Let's Wait Awhile
Anything
That's the Way Love Goes
Come Back to Me
Nasty
When I Think of You
Livin in a World (They Didn't Make)
Miss You Much
Broken Hearts Heal
Love Will Never Do (Without You)
Every Time
Would You Mind
Go Deep
The Pleasure Principle
All For You
Moist
Love Scene (Ooh Baby)
Someday Is Tonight
I Want You
Control
Alright
After You Fall
I Get Lonely
Again
Dammn Baby
Got Til It's Gone
Rhythm Nation
Throb
All Nite (Don't Stop)
Funky Big Band
Rope Burn
The Great Forever
Strawberry Bounce
Warmth
What's It Gonna Be (Busta Rhymes ft Janet Jackson)

Albums:

The Velvet Rope
Rhythm Nation 1814
janet.
Unbreakable
Control

erasingclouds, Saturday, 8 August 2020 13:53 (one year ago) link

I'm not nearly as hardcore as the rest of you, but "When I Think of You" is actually an important song in my personal timeline as a listener: #1 on my year-end in a year where I started working at a downtown record store, rediscovered Top 40 after a decade away (True Blue and Please were also big at the time), and, at least for a few years, drifted away from all the Michael Azzerad stuff that had dominated my life for the first half of the decade.

1. "When I Think of You"
2. "Escapade"
3. "The Best Things in Life Are Free"
4. "Love Will Never Do (Without You)"
5. "Alright"
6. "All for You"
7. "Let's Wait Awhile"
8. "Come Back to Me"
9. "Making Love in the Rain"
10. "Got 'til It's Gone"

clemenza, Saturday, 8 August 2020 14:15 (one year ago) link

kind of surprised to see "lonely" absent/low down on most lists! assumed it was canonical

uberweiss, Saturday, 8 August 2020 15:14 (one year ago) link

underrated bop i didn't vote for but feel like deserves more: "what's ur name"

uberweiss, Saturday, 8 August 2020 15:17 (one year ago) link

"can't b good" and "never letchu go" as well. so much generic goodness on discipline

uberweiss, Saturday, 8 August 2020 15:26 (one year ago) link

For years I've tried to figure out my aversion to Discipline. It's competent and, as uberweiss notes, generically good for the most part. Then I realized what made it generic: Jackson has no writing credits. I've always been fascinated by how the Jackson-Jam-Lewis axis writes songs. But when her name's not in the credits I can hear the absence.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 8 August 2020 16:16 (one year ago) link

my basic, RN1814-top-heavy list:

01 Love Will Never Do (Without You)
02 Miss You Much
03 Escapade
04 What Have You Done For Me Lately?
05 Black Cat
06 Rhythm Nation
07 Together Again
08 Go Deep
09 All For You
10 That’s the Way Love Goes
11 Nasty
12 The Pleasure Principle
13 Say You Do
14 Control
15 Someone to Call My Lover
16 I Get Lonely
17 You
18 Alright
19 Strawberry Bounce
20 Unbreakable

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Saturday, 8 August 2020 16:22 (one year ago) link

TRACKS

(Top 40)

If
Escapade
Empty
The Pleasure Principle
Alright
Love Will Never Do (Without You)
Got 'Til It's Gone
Come Back To Me
Together Again
What Have You Done For Me Lately

Funky Big Band
No Sleeep
You Want This
Rhythm Nation
You
All For You
Lonely
Runaway
All Nite (Don't Stop)
Someday Is Tonight

Because Of Love
After You Fall
Feels So Right
Feedback
When We Oooo
Doesn't Really Matter
When I Think Of You
The Best Things in Life Are Free
Anything
Go Deep

That's The Way Love Goes
R&B Junkie
And On and On
Night
Someone To Call My Lover
Make Me
Rock With U
SloLove
Free Xone
Throb

(Bonus Tracks)

Broken Hearts Heal
Can't Be Stopped
Do It 2 Me
Fast Girls
Funny How Time Flies (When You're Having Fun)
Livin' In A World (They Didn't Make)
My Need
Put Your Hands On
Say You Do
Strawberry Bounce
This Time
What's It Gonna Be?!
Whoops Now

ALBUMS

The Velvet Rope
Rhythm Nation 1814
janet.
All For You
Unbreakable

MUSIC VIDEOS

Love Will Never Do (Without You)
Got 'til It's Gone
Alright
If
Rhythm Nation
The Pleasure Principle
Feedback
Doesn't Really Matter
Scream
All Nite (Don't Stop)

REMIXES

Go Deep (Masters At Work Remix)
Diamonds (Cool Summer Mix)
If (Adult Radio Mix)
Call On Me (Disclosure Remix)
If (Kaytranada Remix)

INTERLUDES

T.V.
Livin'... In Complete Darkness
Speaker Phone
Promise
Pledge

Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Saturday, 8 August 2020 20:07 (one year ago) link

the top ten (really top twenty (really top thirty (really top forty (really top fifty)))) is unfuckwithable.

Yes!

absolutely convinced she's the best pop star there ever was now

Double yes!

Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Saturday, 8 August 2020 20:09 (one year ago) link

BTW, no shade on Spottie, but I've done a Spotify playlist that ranks them from #1 down... https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5pIVl2jRHvTwgdJd07BC55?si=YKT0cgH0QYqPUE2_dGup3w

Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Saturday, 8 August 2020 20:42 (one year ago) link

For years I've tried to figure out my aversion to Discipline. It's competent and, as uberweiss notes, generically good for the most part. Then I realized what made it generic: Jackson has no writing credits. I've always been fascinated by how the Jackson-Jam-Lewis axis writes songs. But when her name's not in the credits I can hear the absence.

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 8 August 2020 16:16 (five hours ago) link

I feel like this is an explanation that makes sense as a retrofitted explanation and perhaps with respect to "Feedback" (which wears its contemporary trend-chasing on its sleeve) specifically, and maybe "LUV".

But songs like "Can't B Good" or "Greatest X Ever" or "Let Me Know" feel incredibly of a piece with the songwriting approach of the previous three albums (and in the case of the first and third of those, are better than most of the material on the previous two albums), and something like "Rock With U" is spot-on frothy Janet. Is there a more Janet line for a disco bop than "Strobe lights make everything.... sexier..."?

It feels like a more Janet album (as well as a better album) than 20 y.o., which then somewhat undermines the proposition that the issue is writing credits.

Tim F, Saturday, 8 August 2020 21:31 (one year ago) link

absolutely convinced she's the best pop star there ever was now

certainly top ten, top twenty? I think you can't ignore Prince, Stevie, James Brown, Little Richard, her brother...?

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 8 August 2020 21:34 (one year ago) link

I reached the conclusion privately at the time but quashed it because #auteurism.

I'm even less a fan of 20 y.o.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 8 August 2020 21:46 (one year ago) link

Even as measured against her most obvious contemporaneous rival, I don't consider her the equal of Madonna.

clemenza, Saturday, 8 August 2020 21:52 (one year ago) link

Her reticence as a public figure and disinterest in theory and self-mythology may work against her, and I like not love many of her videos, but as a singles force between 1986-2004 she matches Madonna.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 8 August 2020 22:06 (one year ago) link

i would vote for Janet over Madonna for total body of work but it's close

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 8 August 2020 22:18 (one year ago) link

One phenomenon I noticed: when Madonna got restless she left Patrick Leonard, still her best co-songwriter/co-producer, for untried talents. Janet, however, had Jam-Lewis, who revealed themselves to be as protean as Madonna, up to any challenge. Just think how "Nasty" and "Runaway," or "Rhythm Nation" and "Rope Burn" took place along the same evolutionary track!

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 8 August 2020 22:28 (one year ago) link

Plus “Empty” and “This Time” and “If”!

Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Saturday, 8 August 2020 23:20 (one year ago) link

Haha, I just noticed that in addition to landing an overperforming 3rd place finish, "Empty," like "Deeper and Deeper" in the Madonna poll, got 8 first-place votes, the most of any song.

Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Saturday, 8 August 2020 23:28 (one year ago) link

janet over madonna is pretty easy for me but i've never been quite convinced of madonna's greatness. very good, sure, but not as consistent or exciting as janet at her best

janet over mj is even easier - the good part of his discography really isn't that big and i was never able to love thriller - overexposure as a child means i would be fine never hearing "thriller" or "beat it" again and i'm not exactly inclined to try to love it now for the obvious reasons

prince is wayy closer but i'm inclined to give janet the edge at the moment just for range?

james brown, stevie wonder & little richard all predate the modern 80s-onward pop star model so i wouldn't even really try to compare them

ufo, Sunday, 9 August 2020 05:05 (one year ago) link

now that you’ve all had time to digest the Janet Jackson/g poll, maybe folx here are up for a different kind of poll:

🇳🇬 NAIJA SPECIAL: which of these *seven* current high-profile Nigerian hit songs is the best one? please help me decide

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Monday, 17 August 2020 21:31 (one year ago) link

(I know I’ve plugged this poll here before, but I still think at least some (more) of you might really enjoy it. If you’re looking for way in it could be Tiwa Savage, who’s worked for or with people like George Michael, Whitney Houston, Mary J Blige, Chaka Khan, Fantasia, and Chuck Harmony during the UK- and US-centered first part of her long career. Also, Ciara bit one of her songs for “Freak Me”!)

(sorry, I honestly thought I would be able to find a direct link between them, but no joy - okay, they were both on the roster for MTV’s 2018 Europe Music Award - but do yourselves a favour and take a little trip to that other Rhythm Nation!)

(Janet fans also might find lots to love in Niniola, and then of course there’s... Okay, okay, I’ll stop now and remain forever silent)

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Monday, 17 August 2020 21:31 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

putting my ballot together for this poll was the most fun I had with music all year, if not ever. good memories.

swing out sister: live in new donk city (geoffreyess), Saturday, 19 December 2020 03:03 (one year ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqXT3FVPgLU

xzanfar, Saturday, 19 December 2020 03:05 (one year ago) link

My Spotify 2020 recap had Janet very much at the top of my most-played artists. That could likely have been true in any year tho.

On average, this critic grades 8.3 points lower than other critics (Eric H.), Saturday, 19 December 2020 03:15 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

Compare and contrast the poll results with The Guardian's list of the 30 best Janet Jackson tracks. Four of the top five are the same, albeit in a different order.

Janet Jackson’s 30 best songs – ranked

Portsmouth Bubblejet, Thursday, 15 April 2021 18:04 (nine months ago) link

I'm absolutely at peace with that top 5.

avatar of a kind of respectability homosexual culture (Eric H.), Thursday, 15 April 2021 18:10 (nine months ago) link

One from each of her four imperial-phase albums plus "Love Will Never Do" as the bridge between the '80s and '90s eras.

avatar of a kind of respectability homosexual culture (Eric H.), Thursday, 15 April 2021 18:13 (nine months ago) link

holy shit Empty at #5

Warmed Regards, (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 15 April 2021 20:39 (nine months ago) link

She's selling her wedding dress? If it's a marriage that ended acrimoniously, I guess so, but still strikes me as a little unseemly.

clemenza, Thursday, 15 April 2021 20:52 (nine months ago) link

(If the money is earmarked for charity, obviously very different.)

clemenza, Thursday, 15 April 2021 20:53 (nine months ago) link

That's a surprisingly great list / write-up. Nice to see some thoughtful coverage of more recent tracks e.g. "Rock With U", "Should've Known Better", "The Great Forever".

Tim F, Friday, 16 April 2021 00:17 (nine months ago) link

Agreed.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 16 April 2021 00:22 (nine months ago) link

eight months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNh8c-yi7bI

Spottie, Wednesday, 12 January 2022 17:35 (one week ago) link

<3

Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 17:56 (one week ago) link

I HOPE I'M NOT BEING TOO CRASS HERE

. . . but those are cock rings.

(seriously tho, very cool video)

get shrunk by this funk. (Austin), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 18:10 (one week ago) link


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