https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qsUWui6bJY
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 09:10 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvpgiiotL0U
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 09:11 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlcLiQ09b4A
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 09:13 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ64DgfE6dU
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 09:14 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34dAPDM2W3E
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 09:16 (fourteen years ago) link
Some things I just want to highlight...
i think sometimes music fans regard musicians in the way that creepy folks regard the objects of their desire in their real lives, and the idealized notion of who they ought to be can result in further enamoring or a whiplash sense of betrayal and subsequent hatred or condescending disappointment. maybe it's more pronounced w/dudes and how they regard female musicians.
A thousand times yes. Though music fans do this with artists they admire of both genders, most men are so homophobic as to utterly repress or deny the "creepy" aspect of their obsession with male musicians, in a way that they feel totally justified in doing to females. (I fully cop to being guilty of this phenomenon myself, with the genders reversed - but it's amazing how much more flack I get for that aspect of my fandom.)
it's interesting that pretty much all of the techno women we've been talking about also (co-)run their own labels and other projects - maybe to gain recognition even within a female-friendly scene like techno, you have to be the sort of focused and driven woman who will also take on the business side of stuff?
This is something that Frances used to say a lot, before she basically friend-dumped me.
Maybe it's that you have to be the slightly insane and driven enough to survive in an all male environment without being run off. (How I often feel in threads like this.) Maybe it's because traditional labels (mainly the majors, but the indies are just as bad) where they say, in all seriousness, things like "we'd sign you but we've already got a female artist." If you want to do things on your own terms, in your own way, without being squished into someone else's box, you have to create your space. Especially if you have to be an independent minded person in the first place to even *survive* doing this stuff.
Anyway, I'm gonna try to stop carping and check out some of these artists.
I suppose it's very different for the other people on this thread, because it is all just THEORY for them. Whereas this is the kind of shit that actually affects me every day of my creative life.
― Violent In Design (Masonic Boom), Wednesday, 1 July 2009 09:22 (fourteen years ago) link
A thousand times yes. Though music fans do this with artists they admire of both genders, most men are so homophobic as to utterly repress or deny the "creepy" aspect of their obsession with male musicians, in a way that they feel totally justified in doing to females.
This is totally true, and I think it's more obvious and emphasized in largely male-dominated genres like electronic music, where there's not too many women to obsess with.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 09:26 (fourteen years ago) link
You'd be one of the non-homophobic non-repressed ones tho I take it Tuomas?
― Real Men Play On Words (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 1 July 2009 09:34 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, but I don't generally obsess over musicians, male or female. Except maybe Marc Almond and Grace Jones.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 09:48 (fourteen years ago) link
Maybe ILX can arrange a meet'n'greet
― Real Men Play On Words (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 1 July 2009 09:54 (fourteen years ago) link
So far, I've liked Ada and... erm, didn't catch the name of the artist with the light fixture the best. But that could be down to genre familiarity more than anything else.
I always get caught out by the trainspottery hair-dividing nature of the genre categories. I know one has to have labels with which to assign one piece of music's relationship to another, but I'm just not familiar enough with the terminology of electronica to have any meaningful discussion.
Oh, the artist with the light fixture just got really, really good. I like the use of the stereo field and the kind of slippery noises that ricochet about. What genre is this, oh hair-splitters of ILX? ;-)
― Violent In Design (Masonic Boom), Wednesday, 1 July 2009 10:04 (fourteen years ago) link
Add Estroe to the list of producers I had no idea were actually female. I'm not sure what you'd call her really, just straight house music really.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 10:09 (fourteen years ago) link
i would like to see more (any?) f/f and m/f duos.
― Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Wednesday, 1 July 2009 10:12 (fourteen years ago) link
I don't think I even understand what "house" music is any more. It meant something completely different in the late 80s/early 90s, didn't it? There's not one single "OOM-tish" in that entire track. It's much more organic and textural.
― Violent In Design (Masonic Boom), Wednesday, 1 July 2009 10:12 (fourteen years ago) link
kate, that's estroe. i'd just call her techno i guess. she fit into minimal when that was released, i guess, but hardly rigidly so.
xps
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 10:13 (fourteen years ago) link
xxp there really was no-one who gave a shit about that last Miss Kittin & The Hacker album was there (me included)?
― Real Men Play On Words (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 1 July 2009 10:15 (fourteen years ago) link
it was rubbish, but the miss kittin solo one last year was surprisingly great!
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 10:16 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm listening to more Estroe stuff on YouTube, yes I like this. A lot.
― Violent In Design (Masonic Boom), Wednesday, 1 July 2009 10:23 (fourteen years ago) link
"Not everyone understands house music. It's a spiritual thing. A body thing. A soul thing"
(^_^)
― Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 10:31 (fourteen years ago) link
Um. OK, I don't understand house music then. Keep 'em coming, The Lex! I really enjoy the video linkage, good to have them all up in a line to listen to at work.
― Violent In Design (Masonic Boom), Wednesday, 1 July 2009 10:34 (fourteen years ago) link
(Do you have to understand something to like it or enjoy it, tho? perhaps another thread.)
― Violent In Design (Masonic Boom), Wednesday, 1 July 2009 10:36 (fourteen years ago) link
Sorry, not related to the post, but just thought I'd stick it here for clarity:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WpERMtL-AY&feature=PlayList&p=C40218B3F32E55D4&index=0&playnext=1
― Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 10:38 (fourteen years ago) link
Just my little "joke", nothing personal.
Anyone like Vera's stuff? Only just heard her because of her remix of clan destino's last single, moodsupport, really love this! 'hooked up with da drums" is pretty good too
― cherry blossom, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 12:39 (fourteen years ago) link
And Miss Fitz/Mayaan Nidam, too.
― EDB, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 15:31 (fourteen years ago) link
oh shit yeah i knew i was forgetting someone - really enjoyed the maayan nidam album this year. good late-night stuff.
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 15:38 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah i like vera a lot, cherry blossom. will definitely check that remix. the first LLFO was one of my favorites from last year (ultra spacey minimal house tool)
― society for cutting up (tricky), Wednesday, 1 July 2009 18:08 (fourteen years ago) link
i love vera, she's probably my favourite out of the whole oslo camp. very tracky in an aspect music/melchior productions sense. great dj as well.
― michael jatas (r1o natsume), Thursday, 2 July 2009 00:08 (fourteen years ago) link
how comes kate bush never comes up in these discussions? the dreaming is one of the great fairlight albums imo
― michael jatas (r1o natsume), Thursday, 2 July 2009 00:09 (fourteen years ago) link
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2099/2068101929_e5ccb65484.jpg?v=0
― michael jatas (r1o natsume), Thursday, 2 July 2009 00:11 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.lgblog.de/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/delia_derbyshire.jpg
― the blowhard is the blowhard (the table is the table), Thursday, 2 July 2009 00:14 (fourteen years ago) link
beate bartel from liaison dangerouses?
― michael jatas (r1o natsume), Thursday, 2 July 2009 00:15 (fourteen years ago) link
http://paulineoliveros.us/site/files/Image/PO_Pieter_Kers.jpg
― the blowhard is the blowhard (the table is the table), Thursday, 2 July 2009 00:15 (fourteen years ago) link
delia and pauline, yes?
― psychgawsple, Thursday, 2 July 2009 00:20 (fourteen years ago) link
also a fan of ursula...
http://blogs.sfweekly.com/shookdown/ursula%20bogner.jpg
― psychgawsple, Thursday, 2 July 2009 00:21 (fourteen years ago) link
gah http://blogs.sfweekly.com/shookdown/ursula%20bogner.jpg
― psychgawsple, Thursday, 2 July 2009 00:22 (fourteen years ago) link
and we can't forget daphne!
http://lh6.ggpht.com/abramsv/SKzrVrB3o-I/AAAAAAAAbAE/sWqhCTcIA9M/s640/Daphne276.jpg
― psychgawsple, Thursday, 2 July 2009 00:29 (fourteen years ago) link
johanna beyerclara rockmore bebe barronpauline oliveros daphne oramdelia derbyshirecathy berberianruth white alice shieldswendy carloseliane radiguedaria semegenjoan labarbaraannea lockwoodruth andersonmaggi paynemaryanne amacherlaurie spiegel
― Friday, August 27, 2004 5:49 AM (4 years ago)
micheline coulombe saint-marcouxelse marie padebeatriz ferreyrapril smileypriscilla mcleanlaurie andersonmireille chamass-kyroumonique rollinmegan robertsconstance dembysuzanne ciani
that's through 1980
― Milton Parker, Thursday, 2 July 2009 00:41 (fourteen years ago) link
+ annette peacocklaetitia sonamihildegard westerkampcynthia webster (have not heard her stuff, but she founded Synapse
― Milton Parker, Thursday, 2 July 2009 00:46 (fourteen years ago) link
Um, psychgawsple, isn't Ursual Bogner actually Jan Jelinek? And therefore not actually a woman?
― emil.y, Thursday, 2 July 2009 01:33 (fourteen years ago) link
Oops, I mean Ursula Bogner, of course.
― emil.y, Thursday, 2 July 2009 01:34 (fourteen years ago) link
as in Usual Boner? sorry, read it that way...
ALSO: cannot believe i fucking forgot ZEENA PARKINS.
also Carla Kihlstedt, from Sleepytime Gorilla Museum and Tin Hat Trio=== yeah, trad instrument but she uses lots of processors and pedals, etc.
― the blowhard is the blowhard (the table is the table), Thursday, 2 July 2009 01:51 (fourteen years ago) link
Also, I've only read the recent posts, but nobody seems to have mentioned DODDODO yet. Not doing a vast amount at the moment, but she did play a show earlier this year, so still around.
― emil.y, Thursday, 2 July 2009 01:57 (fourteen years ago) link
from what i know this is just speculation, since jelinek was behind the reissue, etc.
― psychgawsple, Thursday, 2 July 2009 06:15 (fourteen years ago) link
also maryanne amacher deserves high honors for pulling off the feat of being the only artist who can consistently make me physically ill when i listen to their recordings
― psychgawsple, Thursday, 2 July 2009 06:18 (fourteen years ago) link
^^^fwiw i mean that as a compliment
― psychgawsple, Thursday, 2 July 2009 07:20 (fourteen years ago) link
― emil.y, Thursday, July 2, 2009 1:57 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
^^^truth!! 100% incomprehensible 100% entertainment
― Real Men Play On Words (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 2 July 2009 07:27 (fourteen years ago) link
What the fuck was that burst of vitriol in aid of?
In fact, that's pretty creepy and more than slightly stalkeresque to not even write your own burst of vitriol, but to dig up and quote someone else's words from, like, several years ago? I kind of have some sympathy for Tombot, considering what he was going through at the time he was writing vitriolic stuff like that but to dig that out and repost it in a thread that has nothing to do with it is almost borderline psychotic.
..................................
Drawing a line under that,
Anyway, I think the reason that no one brought up such goddesses as Delia Derbyshire and Daphne Oram was that it would be nice if this thread concentrated on people *currently* making music.
― Violent In Design (Masonic Boom), Thursday, 2 July 2009 08:49 (fourteen years ago) link
Barging into this thread only to say that I wish both Solex and Mira Calix would release more albums (yes I know they're still working, but still)
Followups to pinknoises.com ?
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 2 July 2009 09:32 (fourteen years ago) link
(replying to 2-day-old posts time, Mira Calix xpost synchronicity)
Re Anja Schneider - I have seen some people dismissing her work as the product of her various co-producers.ellen allien got a lot of the "so her boyfriend produced it?" remarks
Yeah, this seems a common thing with, ahem, Women In (not just) Electronic Music. The number of Autechre fanboys who'd get very upset about Mira Calix being terrible dull uninventive and not like their heroes at all, oh and by the way clearly Sean Booth writes all her tracks... well then why aren't they sparkling Autechresque genius? You can't have it both ways!
(I have no real axe to grind for her, but have read many IDM heads rant about her out of all proportion to her music, which I found a bit dull but hardly distinctively terrible or "the first bad act on Warp" as I have seen claimed, and not really shifting too many undeserved millions as far as I noticed)
also on the UK side of things is mary anne hobbes
I don't even know if Hobbs is another example of this, since I've heard "oh she just likes whatever her producer tells her is hot", but on the other hand her show seems so faddish that it almost made sense. And then I felt dirty for thinking that, since it's such a common dismissive trick.
― a passing spacecadet, Thursday, 2 July 2009 10:00 (fourteen years ago) link