Wherein We Elect Our Favourite Classical Compositions of… the 2000s – Part I (2000-2004)

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The penultimate.

Poll Results

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Helmut Lachenmann – String Quartet No. 3, ‘Grido’ (2001) 3
Wolfgang Rihm – Jagden und Formen (1995-2001) 3
Karlheinz Stockhausen – Licht (1977-2003) 3
Fausto Romitelli – Professor Bad Trip (1998-2000) 1
James Dillon – Nine Rivers (1982-2000) 1
Kaija Saariaho – L’amour de loin (2000) 1
György Ligeti – Piano Etudes, Book 3 (1995-2001) 1
John Adams – My Father Knew Charles Ives (2003) 1
Rebecca Saunders – Miniata (2004) 1
Thomas Adès – The Tempest (2004) 1
Unsuk Chin – Violin Concerto (2001) 1
Unsuk Chin – Double Concerto (2002) 1
Pascal Dusapin – À quia (2002) 0
Pascal Dusapin – 7 Piano Etudes (1999-2001) 0
Per Nørgård – Through Thorns (2003) 0
Olga Neuwirth – Lost Highway (2003) 0
Michael Jarrell – Abschied (2001) 0
Per Nørgård – Terrains vagues (2000-2001) 0
Salvatore Sciarrino – Studi per l’intonazione del mare (2000) 0
Richard Barrett – DARK MATTER (1990-2003) 0
Tristan Murail – Le lac (2001) 0
Tristan Murail – Winter Fragments (2000) 0
Toshio Hosokawa – Deep Silence (2002) 0
Aaron Cassidy – String Quartet (2001-2002) 0
Tan Dun – Water Passion (2000) 0
Ștefan Niculescu – Pomenire, un recviem românesc (2003) 0
Sofia Gubaidulina – St. John Passion (2000) 0
Salvatore Sciarrino – Quaderno di strada (2003) 0
Mark Andre – …22,13… (1999-2004) 0
Magnus Lindberg – Clarinet Concerto (2002) 0
György Ligeti – Síppal, dobbal, nádihegedűvel (2000) 0
George Benjamin – Shadowlines (2001) 0
Georg Friedrich Haas – in vain (2000) 0
Fausto Romitelli – Trash TV Trance (2002) 0
Elliott Carter – Asko Concerto (2000) 0
Doina Rotaru – L’éternel retour (2000) 0
Bruno Mantovani – Le sette chiese (2002) 0
Brian Ferneyhough – Shadowtime (1999-2004) 0
Harrison Birtwistle – Theseus Game (2002) 0
Harrison Birtwistle – Night’s Black Bird (2004) 0
Helena Tulve – Traces (2001) 0
Luca Francesconi – Let Me Bleed (2001) 0
James Dillon – The Book of Elements (1997-2002) 0
Jonathan Harvey – String Quartet No. 4 (2003) 0
Jonathan Harvey – The Summer Cloud’s Awakening (2001) 0
John Adams – The Dharma at Big Sur (2003) 0
Joël-François Durand – Athanor (2000-2001) 0
Hugues Dufourt – Le cyprès blanc (2003-2004) 0
Helena Tulve – abysses (2003) 0
Arvo Pärt – Da pacem Domine (2004) 0


pomenitul, Friday, 29 May 2020 02:06 (two months ago) link

A surprising amount of operas, including the utterly monstrous Licht.

pomenitul, Friday, 29 May 2020 02:09 (two months ago) link

ooooh i wanted to vote for thomas adès just to be an ass, but i do think i'll have to vote for "licht"

looking forward to checking out:

Kaija Saariaho – L’amour de loin (2000)
Tristan Murail – Winter Fragments (2000)
Tristan Murail – Le lac (2001)
Fausto Romitelli – Professor Bad Trip (1998-2000)
Fausto Romitelli – Trash TV Trance (2002)

budo jeru, Friday, 29 May 2020 03:34 (two months ago) link

It might be Rihm’s turn at long last. If others have got Licht’s back.

Jeff W, Friday, 29 May 2020 12:50 (two months ago) link

I'm always happy to hear more Rihm, which is saying something given how insanely prolific the man has been and continues to be, but along with the string quartets, Jagden und Formen is the one I return to the most.

Btw budo, make sure you check out the video recording of L'amour de loin with Dawn Upshaw, Gerald Finley and Monica Groop. It comes with a gorgeous mise en scène courtesy of Peter Sellars, and Esa-Pekka Salonen is at the helm.

pomenitul, Friday, 29 May 2020 13:34 (two months ago) link

Nine Rivers

xyzzzz__, Friday, 29 May 2020 13:37 (two months ago) link

^^^likely to be my vote as well

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Friday, 29 May 2020 17:06 (two months ago) link

Is "The Blue Notebooks" too populist to make the cut? I was looking forward to finally being able to cast a vote

enochroot, Sunday, 31 May 2020 01:10 (two months ago) link

I'm sorry, but yes, resoundingly so.

pomenitul, Sunday, 31 May 2020 01:11 (two months ago) link

Someone could do a Boomkat-style classical poll. I even like some of it.

pomenitul, Sunday, 31 May 2020 01:12 (two months ago) link

write in for my fav arvo part my heart's in the highlands and the last lou harrison piece scenes from nek chand. we really should have had david axelrod before really

The Cognitive Peasant (ogmor), Sunday, 31 May 2020 14:13 (two months ago) link

My Heart's in the Highlands is a good one, yeah, I could have included it.

I'm not nearly as much of a Harrison connoisseur as you are, so you'll have to forgive the omission. As for David Axelrod, he's too pop/rock-adjacent to count, somewhat like Blue 'Gene' Tyranny. That subrealm would also make for an interesting poll in its own right.

pomenitul, Sunday, 31 May 2020 14:22 (two months ago) link

obviously I know what you mean but at the same time - it's notated! he has rad strings and high concept choral works! I obv love these polls and the lists have an intuitive coherency, I just have a purely academic interest in the inconsistencies in the rules and taxonomies here so I'm just curious about what the real underlying criteria are that the rules attempt to recreate as a post hoc fudge. the edge cases are often v interesting (soundtracks another big area of edge cases), I thought it was cool that gershwin featured, and it's fun to just make notation the criteria, and also to look at the influence of the classical tradition on these ppl who don't quite fit even when they tick all the boxes (didn't quincy jones study w/ messiaen? the influence on big band jazz is better documented)

The Cognitive Peasant (ogmor), Sunday, 31 May 2020 14:55 (two months ago) link

It's a fascinating question, to be sure, and I don't think a thoroughly satisfying answer could ever be found. The ghost of effective and potential canonicity is what presides over the overwhelming majority of these picks, which begs the question, of course, but my retrospective sense as an amateur listener of recorded classical music (rather than a performer or a musicologist or even an avid concert-goer) is that record labels (heh) have silently acted as a guiding principle throughout these polls. DG, Decca, Naïve, Kairos, NEOS, Ondine, Outhere, BIS, etc., have all had a say as to what falls under the umbrella of 'classical music', for better or for worse, whereas, Songs of Innocence, say, came out with Capitol Studios, which lacks a classical branch as far as I can tell.

pomenitul, Sunday, 31 May 2020 15:08 (two months ago) link

Oh and, to a lesser extent, the surveys of folks like Paul Griffiths and Tim Rutherford-Johnson as well.

pomenitul, Sunday, 31 May 2020 15:10 (two months ago) link

scott joplin never gets his dues!

The Cognitive Peasant (ogmor), Sunday, 31 May 2020 15:34 (two months ago) link

thanks for the tip, pom

xps

budo jeru, Sunday, 31 May 2020 15:38 (two months ago) link

Notated jazz, soundtracks, and related were totally included when we did the ballot poll some years ago. (Joplin made it into the final list.) I like the heady, rigorous Euro focus of these, esp as a counterweight to what gets the most exposure. (I think of it approximately as "things I heard about in my PhD" as opposed to "things I would talk to undergrads about".)

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Sunday, 31 May 2020 15:40 (two months ago) link

I listened to the entire NMC recording of DARK MATTER yesterday. It's something, really absorbingly dense, sonically, at times. I always knew of transmission as a long work for solo electric guitar with electronics, though, so it's a bit surprising to hear it broken up, with vocals a lot of the time. I should look more at how the score for that works.

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Sunday, 31 May 2020 15:44 (two months ago) link

agree w you re: focus

budo jeru, Sunday, 31 May 2020 15:45 (two months ago) link

"things I heard about in my PhD" as opposed to "things I would talk to undergrads about"

haha, the truth has emerged!

The Cognitive Peasant (ogmor), Sunday, 31 May 2020 16:22 (two months ago) link

One vote to Unsuk Chin

✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 31 May 2020 16:37 (two months ago) link

esp as a counterweight to what gets the most exposure

This was very much a guiding principle as well.

xp and yeah, everybody needs to hear Unsuk Chin's work, starting with the Violin Concerto imo.

pomenitul, Sunday, 31 May 2020 16:40 (two months ago) link

Or rather: 'what gets the most exposure' in English-speaking circles, which tend towards aesthetic populism to a far greater extent than others in my experience.

pomenitul, Sunday, 31 May 2020 16:44 (two months ago) link

I'm not even sure what truth I have revealed, ha.

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Sunday, 31 May 2020 16:44 (two months ago) link

lol

pomenitul, Sunday, 31 May 2020 16:46 (two months ago) link

Or rather: 'what gets the most exposure' in English-speaking circles, which tend towards aesthetic populism to a far greater extent than others in my experience.

Yep, that was 100% what I meant.

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Monday, 1 June 2020 02:22 (two months ago) link

Listened to a few and voted for Lachenmann.

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 04:41 (two months ago) link

chin's double concerto

voodoo chili, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 20:39 (two months ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Thursday, 4 June 2020 00:01 (two months ago) link

ended up voting for Lachenmann too

Dan S, Thursday, 4 June 2020 00:28 (two months ago) link

Stockhausen's Licht is amazing, think maybe I should have voted for that

Dan S, Thursday, 4 June 2020 00:40 (two months ago) link

I think I'm gonna give this one to Romitelli's Professor Bad Trip because psychedelic spectralism is a grand idea that makes perfect sense. I wish he were still around.

pomenitul, Thursday, 4 June 2020 00:42 (two months ago) link

was going to say I hope 2005-2009 would include some Michael Pisaro, but realize most of the works I really love from him are even after that

are you going to continue this poll beyond 2009?

Dan S, Thursday, 4 June 2020 00:53 (two months ago) link

I think tackling the last decade would be a bit premature. I'm aiming for 2023-2024, assuming ILX hasn't self-destructed by that point and I'm still around.

pomenitul, Thursday, 4 June 2020 00:56 (two months ago) link

:)

I think the interface between improvised and composed music was important in 2000-2004, eg Keith Rowe/John Tilbury - Duos for Doris which I would have voted for

Dan S, Thursday, 4 June 2020 01:02 (two months ago) link

I love that one but I thought it was all improvised?

EAI is another branch that deserves its own poll. There's definitely some overlap with Richard Barrett in particular.

pomenitul, Thursday, 4 June 2020 01:05 (two months ago) link

Or just a general jazz LP poll series, one half-decade at a time. I'd love to see that.

pomenitul, Thursday, 4 June 2020 01:07 (two months ago) link

xp listening to it it's hard not to believe they mapped it all out. would love an electroacoustic improvisation poll

Dan S, Thursday, 4 June 2020 01:11 (two months ago) link

maybe not enough interest for it here though

Dan S, Thursday, 4 June 2020 01:12 (two months ago) link

think there would be interest for a jazz poll series

Dan S, Thursday, 4 June 2020 01:14 (two months ago) link

I think so too. We need someone to volunteer as a guide, though (I wouldn't even dream of daring).

pomenitul, Thursday, 4 June 2020 01:17 (two months ago) link

That would be awesome if we got a jazz LP series going.

enochroot, Thursday, 4 June 2020 13:53 (two months ago) link

Someone should mention it in the rolling jazz thread...

pomenitul, Thursday, 4 June 2020 17:54 (two months ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Friday, 5 June 2020 00:01 (two months ago) link

Nice. It may have been a little unfair of me to bundle the entirety of Licht into a single poll option but what an option it is.

pomenitul, Friday, 5 June 2020 00:04 (two months ago) link

Dang I missed this. Would have voted for the Gubaidulina. She’s right: God is SCARY.

Boring, Maryland, Friday, 5 June 2020 01:49 (two months ago) link

too busy listening to dark matter to engage with the new poll

rumpy riser (ogmor), Thursday, 11 June 2020 13:52 (one month ago) link

I don't blame you in the least.

When you're finished with DARK MATTER, check this out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyGcuuQO3Uk

With a bit of luck we'll get a studio recording of it some day.

pomenitul, Thursday, 11 June 2020 13:56 (one month ago) link

Richard Barrett - Dark Matter vs Moses Boyd - Dark Matter? I thought about starting that poll. Both great!

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Thursday, 11 June 2020 14:15 (one month ago) link

Hah, I must admit I found the Boyd quite disappointing at first pass. I'll give it another shot – my mid to late teens were devoted to trip-hop, acid jazz and downtempo (mostly Ninja Tune), so it should have been right up my alley. His drumming is unsurprisingly a draw, though.

pomenitul, Thursday, 11 June 2020 14:22 (one month ago) link


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