garcia peoples

love this band. straight up grateful dead worship

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_If3DIdKYs

Absolutely one of my favorite bands going right now, but I honestly think the Dead comparison gets oversold. There's definitely some influence there, but I also hear lots of other stuff in their sound as well. That "One Step Behind" track is so great, a half hour track that absolutely earns the running time. I should have been seeing them again last week at Schuba's, really sad to have missed them since their last trip through Chicago was an abbreviated set opening for Hand Habits, still slayed though.

i simply cannot get over their name. and in the first single i heard (which i mostly enjoyed) were lyrics about 'slipping into a dark star...' which really didn't help matters

i actually never got into the dead and listening to GP got me wondering ‘are the grateful dead actually this good?’ lol

Hope to someday see them live, in like 2035 or whenever

whoa PG Six is in this band. makes me more curious.

this band rules, loved One Step Behind and also their live album with Chris Forsyth from this year

I kinda hated them at first honestly, feel like the least of the new indie jam but the new album was a lot better and the thing with Forsyth is great but obv he's just a next level guitar player

the name is maybe the worst band name ever

matt whos the best of the new indie jam iyo

Sunwatchers (can't really say enough about this band)
Chris Forsyth/Solar Motel Band
Rose City Band
David Nance Group
later Ryley Walker
75 Dollar Bill
Wilco live shows (Nels on Impossible Germany live is the new Dark Star)

honestly though I really have to give it to GP I thought the second album was really a ton better and tbh I sort of resented the name and how the WFMU Conklin types seemed to have such an interest in pushing them so I'm not unbiased

cool gonna listen to all those. love ryley walker

also to shamelessly self promote, global t & I are in a band together Cassini and we opened for Forsyth, for sure check out the recording of him, was temporary lineup with Doug McCombs of Tortoise on bass

https://southernjukeboxmusic.com/home/forsyth-cassini-iosis

Can't really hang with the GP vocals/lyrics, and similarly have found Forsyth's efforts on that front pretty distracting from the things he does well. Chris is a really good guitar player, and hits sweet spots for me relatively frequently, but yeah there is something about each that doesn't land all the time for me.

I think Steve Gunn's bands hit some good spots in this terrain, but they hit a little lighter on the "jam" side of things. Based on Steve's latest record, and what I have heard of Cassini, I am very excited to see where that goes. Very promising!

i actually like the band name. the recordings are ok (newest one better than older stuff, imo) but i saw them open for Howlin' Rain and was dreadfully bored. i'd say maybe it was just my mood but Howlin' Rain blew me away / far exceeded my expectations.

Sunwatchers runs circles around GP.

To me Sunwatchers (and 75 Dollar Bill too) are not in the same arena/related to aspects of "indie jam." I would imagine that they might appeal to folks into GP, but yeah they pull in a whole other set of influences and operate on a higher level (imo). Sunwatchers live run circles around most bands trying to play related music to be honest, they are just fucking a great live band.

worse band name than mr twin sister

i'd add mountain movers to the list ums posted. more on the noisy side, but great sprawling psych

https://themountainmovers.bandcamp.com/album/mountain-movers-2017

i saw mountain movers open for howling rain and found the latter dreadfully boring in comparison haha

and sunwatchers are amazing live. they have a recent live official 'bootleg' out

Sunwatchers runs circles around GP.

― alpine static, Sunday, May 17, 2020 1:38 AM (eleven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

ok so i listened to this band and, I’m not saying they’re bad bc they’re obv pretty great, but skronky free jazz rock isn’t what i get out of garcia peoples so idg the comparison other than ‘improvisation’

i don’t think the band name Garcia Peoples is bad. if it’s bad it’s bad in a fun low-stakes way that jibes with the carefree attitude and shameless influence

what do you get out of GP? just curious

lighters in the air, sun-soaked roadtrip vibes, hippie americana

I'm listening to their live set from 10/10/19 in NYC (it's on Spotify), it's a trip. Bearing in mind the first song is almost 50 minutes long. I'm not totally sure how much Dead I hear in this, but admittedly I'm not overly familiar with the Dead. Not to mention the first twenty minutes was in fact free jazz skronk. Well, maybe not skronk, but it was electric guitar and saxophone (played by maybe the dude's dad? how cute), kind of reminded of the gentler moments of "The Creator Has a Master Plan."

definitely check out rose city band then- ripley johnson project

xp yeah GP do have free sax jams (like the first 8 minutes of the full length version of one step behind) but it's gentle not hard skronk

definitely check out rose city band then- ripley johnson project

― global tetrahedron, Sunday, May 17, 2020 2:22 PM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

thx, will do

been listening to ryley walker - primrose green last couple days and man, if u time-travelled to the 70s and showed someone that album they wouldn't blink

i'd start with their S/T although the new one is great too

i thought about mentioning Mountain Movers but didn't ... but yeah, they rule. their sister band Headroom, too.

also i didn't really mean to imply that Sunwatchers and GP are all that similar ... I was just trying to say Sunwatchers are awesome

I guess I don't see all jam having to descend from the Dead but I see what you mean

There is definitely some cool crossover going on right now between a lot of these bands, even those that aren't "jam bands", like Garcia Peoples backing up Forsyth, Hans Chew and Ryan Jewell playing with One Eleven Heavy, and Matt Valentine openings up for Garcia Peoples.

I'd add Dire Wolves (Just Exactly Perfect Sisters Band) to the list, Jeffrey Alexander used to be in Jackie-O Motherfucker and, I think, played with Suburned Hand of the Man.

There's a line traced through the freak folk and noise scenes that loops back around to some of these newer bands which definitely pushes them away from the derisive image of a jam band. I mean, Dire Wolves get plenty heady and cosmic, but I don't think they have a lot of direct Dead DNA either. Stuff like 75 Dollar Bill, Elkhorn and Matt LaJoie fall into this in my mind, though they all come at it from different angles. It's all kinda centered around labels like Beyond Beyond is Beyond and Feeding Tube Records and as noted, Jeff Conklin at WFMU is a big supporter of this kinda stuff (but i like his taste a lot, seemed he was mentioned a little derisively upthread).

I mean, all this stuff is right up my alley and I'm pretty much a big fan of every artist brought up itt so far, so take me with a grain of salt.

Peter Kerlin from Sunwatchers is also (or was for a long time) in Solar Motel too

I kinda mentioned Conklin backhanded, I like his taste and his show was great I dunno sometimes he comes off a little gatekeeperish to me but he's great overall

Elkhorn is a great call, should have mentioned them!

dire wolves and just exactly perfect sisters band are both direct dead references though. brian lucas of the former says he spent his formative years on dead tour in the 80s

Sure, the names are direct Dead references, but I don’t hear a whole lot in their songs themselves that can be directly attributed to Dead songs. I don’t doubt the Dead are a formative influence, but I know folks that can’t stand the Dead but like Dire Wolves.

heh I'll have to check Dire Wolves, just don't know why these bands have to choose names that sound like Dead tribute bands that play bars in a middling state university college town

i haven't quite fallen under the spell of GP, though I agree that their last record (or just the epic that makes up most of it) is my fave thing I've heard them do thus far. so i think they probably have good stuff ahead of them.

sunwatchers are so good, like a free jazz meat puppets.

Wow otm!!^^

Yeah, Sunwatchers are killer.

not like sunwatchers but i think folks in this thread might appreciate this band

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6B3KbePQAI

Another great band/album! I'll second Tonstartssbandht for sure.

yeah, they rule ^ not so much this convo, but Edwin from Tonstartssbandht has a project called EOLA where he does weird-ass psychedelic vocal-loop spiritual "future hymns" ... i fuckin' love it: https://eola.bandcamp.com/album/dang

i really think there's an interesting piece to be written about jammy bands breaking through the indie/press glass ceiling to where they're now considered "cool" ... the quality and growing number of bands are part of it, of course, but so is Conklin and Beyond Beyond is Beyond and one or two hip publicity firms, and now it's moved up into the Vampire Weekend / Steven Hyden world. this stuff could never have gotten the kind of love they're getting even 5 years ago, i don't think. and Garcia Peoples was the canary in the coal mine, imo.

It's a fuckn drag to me that there's a whole scene of white dudes who wanting to play/listen to longform jamz that could be jamming to the intricate and groove-centric arrangements of Funkadelic, Fela Kuti, Electric Miles, Ornette Coleman, Can, Isaac Hayes, Neu!, Herbie Hancock, Flash and Bambaataa tapes, Zulu Beat Radio, whatever, but instead they're like "What if jam bands but Union Pool"

Bedford Cheese Shop Incident

Whiney you should check out this band called Phish

where is your past

you should actually listen to Sunwatchers and 75 Dollar Bill before doing your usual parachute in to call people stupid routine

or the best part of the new Garcia Peoples is closer to Neu than the Dead really

but anyway thanks for those cool obscure references no one on ILX ever heard of and congrats on your Wire subscription

https://i.pinimg.com/474x/ca/38/80/ca38803c1a8042507ed129f18c80a625--man-hats-lsd.jpg

Oh shit, sorry.

ha no, that's me, i just disavow 'indie jam', nomenclature of steven hyden

I didn't really dig that article felt very weird leaving out, say, Built to Spill...I dunno just felt he had this handful of bands he wanted to write about and bent the narrative around that

ppl in this thread should check out spencer radcliffe

LL if you're cooling yr heels waiting for a new Heron Oblivion album you might enjoy this Major Stars album from last year that's got similar vibes (though I think Wayne Roger's p easily outclasses the Comets guys, which is fine though bcz as cool as much as I like Noell Dorsey she's no Meg)

Anyways ahem
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kRqnadeeODjA4nu5Ort8I3ZRDTW_yvBvA

(Also I'm pretty sure one of the guitarists is one Kate Biggar)

that's cool
speaking of Comets on Fire, I think their unloved at the time Avatar seems ahead of this curve in retrospect

major stars is a good call. no dead influence there, more like if MC5 was a jam band. all the magic hour stuff is worth it too ...

yeah i am enjoying Major Stars! that is the type of energy i am after at the moment -- thanks!!

they're super gnarly!

I like Major Starts, but I totally spaced on their record from last year. Need to check that out!

Stars obviously, oops.

La Lechera, should be noted that Kryssi Battalene is the main guitar-wrangler in Mountain Movers and Headroom (mentioned above), who bring some nice Heroin Oblivion/Major Stars adjacent sonics, though directly. She is great, pretty partial to this one: https://headroomnhv.bandcamp.com/album/head-in-the-clouds

She also has a cool Black Dirt / Natch session as "Earth Cult" with Sarah Louise and Sally Ann Morgan (of House & Land) that I am into: https://blackdirt.bandcamp.com/album/natch-11-earth-cult-sarah-louise-sally-anne-morgan-kryssi-b-2

Sarah Louise has also sat in with Garcia Peoples, and I imagine will do so again down the line. (Completing the circle ....)

as I've said in the Fahey thread (or maybe I didn't) the song "Statesboro Jam" from global tetrahedron's 2020 album is maybe my favorite song of the year so far, certainly within this general sonic world.

anyway, i smell a Rolling Don't Call It Indie-Jam 2021 thread cookin'

yeah we generally did all this stuff on the Fahey thread, which I generally approve of a "big tent" definition of the diaspora esp cuz so many like Forsyth, Ryley Walker come from that scene orginally

Wilco live shows (Nels on Impossible Germany live is the new Dark Star)

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown)

any particular recordings you can recommend, i haven't heard a live version since a radio broadcast from the netherlands in 2011

i am unequipped to really speak on the new jam scene except that i god tried to listen to that song and for the first ten minutes it was mediocre kosmische-jazz and then i got bored and skipped forward and yep that sounds like the dead alright. i guess they're better than the flaming lips.

i'm listening to the eight minute "single" version now. they sound like, i don't know, white denim. they're not bad, but i genuinely think the dead did it better when they were on.

i might be sold on these folks another time.

I actually don't, I have seen them a couple of times in the last 5 years and hadn't seen them for a long time and was kind of blown away by what a good live band they are now

but I guess they've probably done 200+ shows a year forever

Impossible Germany is I'm pretty sure almost every show and is Nel's showcase

last time he was going off and Tweedy got a laugh just by looking Nels then looking at the crowd and grinning and shaking his head like can u believe this guy?

i know Wilco is not cool but they ultimately have one of the best drummers in the world and one of the best guitar players

i know they're not cool too but i have heard them a couple times over the years and i agree with you that they have become a fucking incredible live band, i'd rather listen to them than 75 dollar bill or endless boogie or whoever damn near any day of the week

they still doing "bull black nova"? i kinda liked that one.

that's cool
speaking of Comets on Fire, I think their unloved at the time Avatar seems ahead of this curve in retrospect

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, May 19, 2020 4:34 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

i put this on recently after many years. what a great record.

xpost here was the show i went to, really cool Low opened and came up to do Cinnamon Girl with Wilco in the encore

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/wilco/2019/palace-theatre-st-paul-mn-539adf09.html

lovin Rose City Band, thx for that rec

Rose City Band has such a great vibe, glad that wasn't just a one-off thing for Ripley.

really enjoy the new one, but there's a track on the last half with a riff that sounds like the black keys. small quibble though

haha would that be Reno Shuffle? that's my least favorite one. I love the moment with the vibraslap on the second track.

Other than a couple of tracks I caught on WFMU, haven't actually heard the new one yet - waiting for the delayed physical release next month.

digging Dire Wolves so far ty to whoever mentioned them

They're great, actually just got a package of CDRs in the mail that I bought on the bandcamp no fee day, includes the new Flow & Heady and a few other live sets.

yes it's reno shuffle. bracing for dan auerbach to start singing

Dire Wolves is very dynamic rhythmically which gets at something about Garcia Peoples, they are pretty stuff rhythmically without being either cool motorik vibes or cool pummeling caveman Endless Boogie/Crazy Horse

the drums and bass are just kinda "there"

Which DW album are you listening to, ums?

Grow Towards the Light (liked the cover art)

New album in October:

https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a4250120573_10.jpg

Really excited to hear where they go with this one, given that there are 12 tracks I'm fairly certain they won't be back with another side+ long epic.

Considering the lengths of some of the other albums I've been listening to in 2020, it may be 6 LPs of sidelong epics.

Haha, but apparently this is a single LP only, thought it's a song suite it sounds like.

the cover vaguely reminds me of this one h.c. westermann print

this one

https://www.moma.org/media/W1siZiIsIjI2NDkyMiJdLFsicCIsImNvbnZlcnQiLCItcXVhbGl0eSA5MCAtcmVzaXplIDIwMDB4MjAwMFx1MDAzZSJdXQ.jpg?sha=4b6c484f4cc61338

This new one is so good. The first half is surprisingly darker than what I'd expect. Not like they've gone goth or anything, just more of an edge than I'd expect from them, but it works. The guitar playing is just so great.

yeah i think i need some physical copies of things, sound pretty good

This is continuing to grow on me, love the instrumental interludes that tie together the suite on the second side. “A Reckoning” is fast becoming a favorite, got a real nice Fairport Convention vibe and love the two guitar acoustic intro.

Aquarium Drunkard EOY list brought me here. Good stuff!

New one is so good and varied.

Definitely. Closest analogy I can think of is Dungen 4, another great and varied album.

We don't have a dedicated thread for their label, Beyond Beyond is Beyond, and I'm not sure it's worth a whole new thread... but RIP BBiB:

After 8 bonkers years, I’m leaving ye olde record label, Beyond Beyond is Beyond, behind in 2021. It’s been a dream to work with all the amazing artists we’ve released records with. ✌️♥️ 🎶

— mikenoomin (@mikenoomin) February 23, 2021

Really bums me out, they'd been a roll lately with Garcia Peoples of course, but also Tengger, Elkhorn, Kendra Amalie, Matt Valentine and De Lorians, to name a few.

Oh man, I misread this yesterday as a guy leaving the label, not ending the label. This is a bummer! Tengger is my faaaaave...

Yeah, that's what I was hoping it was, but reading through the replies it looks like the label is done, sadly. I guess it makes sense, considering they hadn't announced any forthcoming releases since the last Garcia Peoples record came out last October.

Yeah I noticed after a busy couple years, things seemed to have quieted down quite a bit. Oh well ... it was a good run, and that label in particular did a lot for the indie/psych/jam resurgence.