Wherein We Elect Our Favourite Classical Compositions of… the 1950s

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John Cage – 4’33” (1952) 3
Karlheinz Stockhausen – Gesang der Jünglinge (1955-1956) 3
Dmitri Shostakovich – Symphony No. 10 in E minor, Op. 93 (1953) 3
Witold Lutosławski – Musique funèbre (1954-1958) 2
Luigi Dallapiccola – Quaderno musicale di Annalibera (1952) 2
Igor Stravinsky – Agon (1957) 2
Iannis Xenakis – Pithoprakta (1955-1956) 2
Harry Partch – U.S. Highball (1943-1955) 1
Iannis Xenakis – Metastaseis (1953-1954) 1
Reginald Smith Brindle – El Polifemo de Oro (1956) 1
John Cage – String Quartet in Four Parts (1949-1950) 1
Karlheinz Stockhausen – Klavierstück XI (1956) 1
Giacinto Scelsi – Quattro pezzi su una nota sola (1959) 1
Edgard Varèse – Déserts (1950-1954) 1
Dmitri Shostakovich – Cello Concerto No. 1 in E-flat major, Op. 107 (1959) 1
Conlon Nancarrow – Study No. 7 for Player Piano (ca. 1948-1960) 1
Olivier Messiaen – Quatre Études de rythme (1949-1950) 0
Luigi Nono – Il canto sospeso (1956) 0
Benjamin Britten – Billy Budd, Op. 50 (1951) 0
Luciano Berio – Sequenza I (1958) 0
Karlheinz Stockhausen – Gruppen (1955-1957) 0
Benjamin Britten – The Turn of the Screw, Op. 54 (1954) 0
Elliott Carter – String Quartet No. 2 (1959) 0
Olivier Messiaen – Catalogue d’oiseaux (1956-1958) 0
Witold Lutosławski – Concerto for Orchestra (1950-1954) 0
Vagn Holmboe – Symphony No. 8, ‘Sinfonia boreale’ (1952) 0
Toru Takemitsu – Requiem (1957) 0
Benjamin Britten – Lachrymae, Op. 48 (1950) 0
Ralph Vaughan Williams – Symphony No. 9 in E minor (1956-1957) 0
Dmitri Shostakovich – String Quartet No. 5 in B-flat major, Op. 92 (1952) 0
Pierre Boulez – Piano Sonata No. 3 (1955-1957) 0
Pierre Boulez – Le Marteau sans maître (1953-1955) 0
Bernd Alois Zimmermann – Canto di speranza (1957) 0
Karlheinz Stockhausen – Kreuzspiel (1951) 0
Galina Ustvolskaya – Sonata for Violin and Piano (1952) 0
Galina Ustvolskaya – Piano Sonata No. 4 (1957) 0
Galina Ustvolskaya – Grand Duet (1959) 0
George Enescu – Chamber Symphony in E major, Op. 33 (1954) 0
Elliott Carter – Variations for Orchestra (1954-1955) 0
Elliott Carter – String Quartet No. 1 (1951) 0
György Ligeti – Musica ricercata (1951-1953) 0
György Ligeti – String Quartet No. 1, ‘Métamorphoses nocturnes’ (1953-1954) 0
György Ligeti – Apparitions (1958-1959) 0
Henri Dutilleux – Symphony No. 2, ‘Le double’ (1959) 0
Dmitri Shostakovich – String Quartet No. 6 in G major, Op. 101 (1956) 0
Dmitri Shostakovich – 24 Preludes and Fugues, Op. 87 (1950-1951) 0
Jean Barraqué – Piano Sonata (1952) 0
John Cage – Music of Changes (1951) 0
György Kurtág – String Quartet, Op. 1 (1959) 0
Ralph Vaughan Williams – Symphony No. 8 in D minor (1953-1955) 0


romanesque architect (pomenitul), Thursday, 19 March 2020 18:40 (three weeks ago) link

Honourable mentions

Alan Hovhaness – Symphony No. 2, ‘Mysterious Mountain’, Op. 132 (1955)
Aram Khachaturian – Spartacus (1954)
Benjamin Britten – The Prince of the Pagodas, Op. 57 (1956)
Benjamin Britten – Nocturne, Op. 60 (1958)
Bohuslav Martinů – Symphony No. 6 (1951-1953)
Earle Brown – December 1952 (1952)
Elliott Carter – Sonata for Flute, Oboe, Cello and Harpsichord (1952)
Florent Schmitt – Symphony No. 2, Op. 137 (1957)
Francis Poulenc – Stabat Mater (1950)
Galina Ustvolskaya – Piano Sonata No. 3 (1952)
George Enescu – String Quartet No. 2 in G major, Op. 22/2 (1950-1952)
George Enescu – Vox maris, Op. 31 (1929-1954)
Goffredo Petrassi – Concerto for Orchestra No. 4 (1954)
Goffredo Petrassi – Concerto for Orchestra No. 5 (1955)
Goffredo Petrassi – Concerto for Orchestra No. 6 (1957)
Henri Dutilleux – Symphony No. 1 (1951)
Igor Stravinsky – The Rake’s Progress (1951)
Igor Stravinsky – Movements for Piano and Orchestra (1958-1959)
John Cage – Six Melodies (1950)
Karlheinz Stockhausen – Klavierstücke I-IV (1952)
Karlheinz Stockhausen – Klavierstücke V-X (1954)
Leonard Bernstein – West Side Story (1957)
Lou Harrison – Concerto for Violin and Percussion Orchestra (1959)
Maurice Ohana – Llanto por Ignacio Sánchez Mejías (1950)
Milton Babbitt – String Quartet No. 2 (1954)
Olivier Messiaen – Livre d’orgue (1951-1952)
Olivier Messiaen – Oiseaux exotiques (1955-1956)
Per Nørgård – Symphony No. 1, ‘Sinfonia austera’ (1953-1955)
Ralph Vaughan Williams – Symphony No. 7, ‘Sinfonia antartica’ (1949-1952)
Sergei Prokofiev – Symphony No. 7 in C-sharp minor, Op. 131 (1952)

romanesque architect (pomenitul), Thursday, 19 March 2020 18:40 (three weeks ago) link

Apologies for the brutal culling. I had to discard some personal favourites in the process.

romanesque architect (pomenitul), Thursday, 19 March 2020 18:41 (three weeks ago) link

Interesting: why did you choose the third Boulez sonata?

Sund4r, Thursday, 19 March 2020 18:47 (three weeks ago) link

Incredible list, though!

Sund4r, Thursday, 19 March 2020 18:47 (three weeks ago) link

I'm quite fond of its serene open-endedness.

romanesque architect (pomenitul), Thursday, 19 March 2020 18:49 (three weeks ago) link

I think I even prefer it to Barraqué's far more admired entry in the genre.

romanesque architect (pomenitul), Thursday, 19 March 2020 18:50 (three weeks ago) link

shostakovich 10 or enescu chamber symphony or...could it be scelsi??

ciderpress, Thursday, 19 March 2020 20:21 (three weeks ago) link

Oh man. West Side Story :)

Frederik B, Thursday, 19 March 2020 20:23 (three weeks ago) link

I only included it in the 'Honourable mentions' for fearing of getting lynched. There is no music I hate more in the world than musicals, it's fucking visceral.

romanesque architect (pomenitul), Thursday, 19 March 2020 20:29 (three weeks ago) link

oh right rvw8 is the extremely me-core one, it's probably that

ciderpress, Thursday, 19 March 2020 20:32 (three weeks ago) link

shostakovich #10 is a towering classic, gonna give a few others a fair shake tho.

ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Thursday, 19 March 2020 20:37 (three weeks ago) link

i went for shostakovich since i won't be able to vote for him next decade thanks to (redacted)

ciderpress, Thursday, 19 March 2020 20:50 (three weeks ago) link

Late Shostakovich is best Shostakovich though.

coco vide (pomenitul), Thursday, 19 March 2020 20:53 (three weeks ago) link

I'd say 'Symphonic Dances from West Side Story' is amazing and non-musically, but that's from 61 :)

Frederik B, Thursday, 19 March 2020 20:58 (three weeks ago) link

Elliott Carter – String Quartet No. 2 (1959)
Iannis Xenakis – Pithoprakta (1955-1956)
Karlheinz Stockhausen – Kreuzspiel (1951)
Karlheinz Stockhausen – Gesang der Jünglinge (1955-1956)
Pierre Boulez – Le Marteau sans maître (1953-1955)
Reginald Smith Brindle – El Polifemo de Oro (1956)

My current short list before going back and listening/relistening to anything. Music of Changes, 4'33", and December 1952 are also really important but rn it seems almost nihilistic to vote for one of them.

Sund4r, Thursday, 19 March 2020 20:59 (three weeks ago) link

Carter wrote his 1st SQ 'in the undisturbed quiet of the Arizona desert' so that would be my self-quarantine pick, if I were to decide based on such criteria.

coco vide (pomenitul), Thursday, 19 March 2020 21:19 (three weeks ago) link

Curious why there's no Feldman.

timellison, Thursday, 19 March 2020 21:22 (three weeks ago) link

His 50s material is… ok. Don't worry, he'll start popping up soon (-ish).

coco vide (pomenitul), Thursday, 19 March 2020 21:26 (three weeks ago) link

I'm carefully considering whether I can vote for 4'33" non-ironically, and will hold my vote until I can decide.

BLU SAPHIR, BUT WHY (Tom Violence), Thursday, 19 March 2020 21:26 (three weeks ago) link

Been listening to an old LP of Durations and I see now it's from 1960.

timellison, Thursday, 19 March 2020 21:28 (three weeks ago) link

(Feldman)

timellison, Thursday, 19 March 2020 21:29 (three weeks ago) link

Agon vs Turn of the Screw vs Catalogue d’Oiseaux vs DSCH 10 for me

I’ve never heard Enescu’s Chamber Symphony - is it really better than Vox Maris???

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 19 March 2020 23:03 (three weeks ago) link

I’d say so. Probably his most self-consciously ‘modernist’ piece.

coco vide (pomenitul), Thursday, 19 March 2020 23:20 (three weeks ago) link

had to be us highball for me

Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 19 March 2020 23:28 (three weeks ago) link

having said that a lot of this is stuff i just don't know, i'm really digging this ohana rn

Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 19 March 2020 23:36 (three weeks ago) link

I fucking love Ohana, please explore his oeuvre ASAP imo

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 19 March 2020 23:38 (three weeks ago) link

Jon otm, Ohana ROOLZ. Start with Les enregistrements Erato if you can find it.

coco vide (pomenitul), Thursday, 19 March 2020 23:41 (three weeks ago) link

His 10-string guitar pieces are tops.

Sund4r, Friday, 20 March 2020 00:30 (three weeks ago) link

Any favourite recordings?

coco vide (pomenitul), Friday, 20 March 2020 13:45 (three weeks ago) link

Oh! I probably should have requested/lobbied for Babbitt's SQ #2.

anatol_merklich, Friday, 20 March 2020 15:26 (three weeks ago) link

This list is the 💣

Full of impossible choices

Feel like West Side Story shd've made the cut tho

I can't pay no doctor bill, but Whitey's on the McAloon (Noodle Vague), Friday, 20 March 2020 16:08 (three weeks ago) link

What can I say? I'm an ass and a lost cause.

Feel bad for cutting Babbitt's 2nd SQ at the last minute tho. Sorry anatol.

coco vide (pomenitul), Friday, 20 March 2020 16:10 (three weeks ago) link

Turn of the Screw or Déserts or any of the Stockhausens or the Takemitsu or 4’33" or the bird catalogue or jeez I dunno man.

That Barraque is fierce too

I can't pay no doctor bill, but Whitey's on the McAloon (Noodle Vague), Friday, 20 March 2020 16:12 (three weeks ago) link

Might vote 4'33" on principal but

I can't pay no doctor bill, but Whitey's on the McAloon (Noodle Vague), Friday, 20 March 2020 16:13 (three weeks ago) link

Speaking of Takemitsu's Requiem, I've always been fond of this anecdote, here retold by Alex Ross:

The work that launched Takemitsu’s international career was the Requiem for Strings, written in 1957. Stravinsky happened to hear it during a trip to Japan; radio engineers played it for the great man by accident, and, when they were about to go back to the intended playlist, he asked them not to stop. Stravinsky praised the composer in interviews, and prizes and commissions from Western groups quickly followed. The Requiem shows Takemitsu’s style in embryo: the first violins begin with a soft, sustained F-sharp; second violins and cellos add a thick chord that consists of E-flat-major and B-flat-major triads superimposed; and the violas play a high phrase that twists slowly in place as harmonies shift underfoot. Peter Burt, in his book “The Music of Toru Takemitsu,” observes that the first few bars vaguely resemble Samuel Barber’s “Adagio for Strings,” and speculates that Barber’s score may have been found in the library of the American Civil Information and Education unit in Tokyo.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2007/02/05/toward-silence

coco vide (pomenitul), Friday, 20 March 2020 16:17 (three weeks ago) link

Nag! Nag! Nag! is missed.

coco vide (pomenitul), Friday, 20 March 2020 18:27 (three weeks ago) link

^ yeh

xp love that story

budo jeru, Friday, 20 March 2020 19:21 (three weeks ago) link

this is hard.

listened to two versions of “music of changes” yesterday (david tudor and herbert henck), can’t decide which made me feel more depressed

budo jeru, Friday, 20 March 2020 19:24 (three weeks ago) link

Any favourite recordings?

The Graham Anthony Devine album of Ohana guitar music on Naxos Music Library (with Si le jour parait ... and Cadran lumière) is good imo. My 10-string playing friend likes Nicolo Spera's.

Sund4r, Friday, 20 March 2020 23:09 (three weeks ago) link

XXP: Aw shucks. I needed a nap (or several) after rolling out a ballot-based poll at strange hours this week. :)

My first instinct is actually to opt for Musique funèbre, if only because that (and Lutoslawki generally) was a very early gateway into this sort thing. (Maybe it's unhip, but the importance for me of Naxos CDs selling at 4-for-$20 pre-filesharing cannot be underestimated. LOL. I made low-risk investments in their Quatre Études de rythme and Boulez piano sonatas not long after that, come to think of it!)

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Saturday, 21 March 2020 02:43 (two weeks ago) link

The Idil Biret disc of the Boulez sonatas? I often listened to that with a bottle of wine in my first apartment.

Sund4r, Saturday, 21 March 2020 02:46 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah! I shall have to dig it out. It's been a while...

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Saturday, 21 March 2020 02:53 (two weeks ago) link

The naxos lutoslawski series was fantastic

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 21 March 2020 03:22 (two weeks ago) link

:) I was a complete n00b so was lucky to have stumbled on it. I was all "these discs are selling for peanuts in non-specialist suburban stores -- why isn't everyone listening to Lutoslawsli and Messiaen all day? This Lutoslawski fellow should be a household name!" etc. LOL.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Saturday, 21 March 2020 04:23 (two weeks ago) link

Welcome back, NNN!

Re: Boulez's sonatas, I'm fond of Paavali Jumppanen's set, recorded under the composer's supervision (iirc). There are more fiery interpretations, but his approach works wonders for #3 in particular.

coco vide (pomenitul), Saturday, 21 March 2020 13:38 (two weeks ago) link

^ noted, and placed on a wee playlist:

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4JpYWnZkUNxUZeB0zCkR9U

Nice to have this bonus excuse for (re-)listening once more. There a number of things here I claim to "know" but "heard a few times circa 2003" would be more devastatingly accurate. :)

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Saturday, 21 March 2020 23:30 (two weeks ago) link

My typos are getting ridiculous. "cannot be OVER-estimated" is what I meant several posts back. Blimey.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Saturday, 21 March 2020 23:35 (two weeks ago) link

jumppanen hollerin’ with joy what with all these fine recommendations !

budo jeru, Sunday, 22 March 2020 00:31 (two weeks ago) link

Please listen to Julian Bream's recording of "El Polifemo de Oro" btw.

Sund4r, Monday, 23 March 2020 14:09 (two weeks ago) link

Also managed to miss all of the C20th polls... I'd have broken Metamorphosen's duck in the '40s poll, I think.

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 17:37 (two weeks ago) link

I've no bone to pick with the Rum Tum Tugger as long as he remains silent and under (paper) house arrest, i.e. in Old Possum's Book of Practical Cats.

coco vide (pomenitul), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 18:24 (two weeks ago) link

I haven't figured this out yet. I'll never figure this out.

coco vide (pomenitul), Monday, 30 March 2020 14:40 (one week ago) link

Btw don't forget to request 1960s titles if you suspect I may forget them (not an ill-founded hunch tbh). As always, I'll do my best to include as many as possible.

coco vide (pomenitul), Monday, 30 March 2020 16:24 (one week ago) link

don't envy you the job of whittling it down to fifty - this is why I suggested five year polls :) I am sitting in a room is probably one of the lucier pieces least likely to qualify for inclusion but it's so beautiful & fragile & unique & perfect, and there aren't many occasions to talk about it so I will at least mention it here

ogmor, Monday, 30 March 2020 17:22 (one week ago) link

It's a wonderful piece, but I think it would be a better fit for our upcoming electroacoustic/musique concrète/sound art poll (at least I hope it's upcoming – who would be best suited to such a task?).

coco vide (pomenitul), Monday, 30 March 2020 17:53 (one week ago) link

Does being in lockdown speed up time? Thought I still had ages to decide on a pick here!

xp that poll should def happen! Won't do it alone but would help out tbh.

Heh, I guess it does.

xp my knowledge of the stuff is severely lacking so someone else would definitely have to take over.

coco vide (pomenitul), Monday, 30 March 2020 18:46 (one week ago) link

Obvious chestnuts:
Berio - Sinfonia
Stockhausen - Stimmung
Riley - In C
Glass - Music in Similar Motion
Ligeti - Atmospheres
Penderecki - Threnody...

Guitar music:
Britten - Nocturnal after John Dowland, op. 70 (Bream recording recommended again)
Stephen Dodgson - Partita
Maurice Ohana - Si le jour parait ...

Sund4r, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 02:47 (one week ago) link

As far as the actual 50s poll, it probably comes down to Le marteau vs Brindle. I realize the former is the more important and greater work but the personal connection with the latter is strong.

Sund4r, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 02:48 (one week ago) link

I could check the other thread, but I'm guessing it may have been you that lobbied for inclusion of the Brindle, Sund4r? If so, thanks! Enjoyed it, and there's a fair chance I wouldn't ever know about it otherwise. :)

anatol_merklich, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 19:00 (one week ago) link

Yes, glad you liked it.

Sund4r, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 19:02 (one week ago) link

I may just switch to 5 years for the remaining polls per ogmor's suggestion because my current longlist for the 60s is as excruciating as you'd expect.

coco vide (pomenitul), Tuesday, 31 March 2020 21:05 (one week ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 00:01 (one week ago) link

Fuck it, I'm voting Scelsi.

coco vide (pomenitul), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 00:47 (one week ago) link

Anyone want to rep for Galina Ustvolskaya? Three pieces here and I've heard none before.

They represent a bleaker, starker, less consolatory late Shostakovich avant la lettre (he reportedly told her that she influenced him, not the other way around). For the Grand Duet, try Mstislav Rostropovich and Igor Uriash. The Violin Sonata is well served by Patricia Kopatchinskaja and Markus Hinterhäuser (on an excellent ECM disc). As for the 4th Piano Sonata, I like Ivan Sokolov's take, among many others.

coco vide (pomenitul), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 12:36 (one week ago) link

fwiw (nothing as i don't vote in polls lol) a vote for anything also counts as a vote for 4'33", you just assume it's being performed somewhere poorly soundproofed with e.g. zimmerman's canto di sperenza bleeding thru the walls, to be officially part of the cage performance ("noises of your body" etc)

this is canon

mark s, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 12:44 (one week ago) link

nothing as i don't vote in polls lol

C'mon mark, don't be such a hipster.

coco vide (pomenitul), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 12:46 (one week ago) link

mark not voting is canon too iirc

Anyway Pom, huge thanks - again - for the recommendations!

Btw are you familiar with this book? Performing Pain: Music and Trauma in Eastern Europe Looks rad!

Agon
Possibly my most listened-to Stravinsky piece

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 14:39 (one week ago) link

I've got reservations about Stravinsky but Agon is classic af.

coco vide (pomenitul), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 14:43 (one week ago) link

Btw are you familiar with this book? Performing Pain: Music and Trauma in Eastern Europe Looks rad!

It does indeed. Thanks for the tip.

coco vide (pomenitul), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 14:58 (one week ago) link

why scelsi pom? I assume it's one of the things would especially benefit from a live hearing

I am no closer to working out what to vote for

ogmor, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 21:34 (one week ago) link

Rundel's live recording on Mode is quite good, incidentally!

I'm a spectralist stan and hence sympathetic to proto-spectralism. I also worry that no one else will vote for it.

That said, at least ten other works could have won out depending on ineffable fluctuations.

coco vide (pomenitul), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 21:40 (one week ago) link

My hopeless anglophilia doesn't always extend to this type of music so Lachrymae and those RVW symphonies are fresh to my ears. (Didn't even realise RVW was still composing this late!) It's all quite... luvly.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 22:05 (one week ago) link

I spent an inordinate amount of time with RVW's symphonies in February and have finally come to appreciate their worth, thanks to Haitink's cycle in particular. They're much less stereotypically 'English' than I used to believe, that is to say less reactionary – somewhat in line with Sibelius's own complicated position within 20th century music. I've always loved Britten's Lachrymae, however, especially his later arrangement for viola and string orchestra. Theme and variations in reverse, wherein the borrowed melody is revealed at the very end of the piece, is in fact one of my favourite structural tropes in classical music.

coco vide (pomenitul), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 22:13 (one week ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Thursday, 2 April 2020 00:01 (one week ago) link

Huh, I thought Shosty's 10th was going to walk this.

Publius Covidius Naso (pomenitul), Thursday, 2 April 2020 00:02 (one week ago) link

Omg sorry Boulez

Sund4r, Thursday, 2 April 2020 00:12 (one week ago) link

:(

I had no idea he'd need my help.

Publius Covidius Naso (pomenitul), Thursday, 2 April 2020 00:13 (one week ago) link

D'oh, a long phone call prevented a last minute vote. Maybe imagine that Le Marteau sans maître or Quatre Études de rythm has a "1" against it rather than no votes.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Thursday, 2 April 2020 00:21 (one week ago) link

Who voted for the Dallapiccola btw? I'm pleasantly surprised – I almost didn't include because I assumed no one would care.

Publius Covidius Naso (pomenitul), Thursday, 2 April 2020 00:24 (one week ago) link

^Teacher and major influence on Brindle (who got my vote in the end).

Sund4r, Thursday, 2 April 2020 03:44 (one week ago) link

D'oh, forgot to vote! Would've gone with Junglinge in the end...

If anyone's interested, I wrote
this
about the Brindle piece some years ago, when I still wrote words outside message boards.

Sund4r, Thursday, 2 April 2020 12:56 (one week ago) link

Only thing I ever published

Sund4r, Thursday, 2 April 2020 12:56 (one week ago) link

Thanks, and bookmarked.

Publius Covidius Naso (pomenitul), Thursday, 2 April 2020 13:10 (one week ago) link

An embarrassment of riches, split in twain:

Wherein We Elect Our Favourite Classical Compositions of… the 1960s – Part I (1960-1964)

Publius Covidius Naso (pomenitul), Thursday, 2 April 2020 13:45 (one week ago) link

today i learned RVW was working on an opera on Thomas the Rhymer at the time of his death

feel pretty robbed tbh!

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 2 April 2020 13:58 (one week ago) link

Really really should have remembered to vote. For Marteau sans maitre.

ascai, Thursday, 2 April 2020 14:49 (one week ago) link

I’ve just realised that Shostakovich 11 (Year 1905) was omitted even from the Hon mentions. Outrage. I was saving my Shosty vote for that. Harrumph.

Jeff W, Thursday, 2 April 2020 15:32 (one week ago) link

Sorry, Shosty may well be my favourite composer on some days but I can’t stomach the 11th and the 12th. God knows I’ve tried.

Publius Covidius Naso (pomenitul), Thursday, 2 April 2020 15:34 (one week ago) link

looove the first movement, can take or leave the rest

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 2 April 2020 15:34 (one week ago) link

i like the 12th

ciderpress, Thursday, 2 April 2020 15:35 (one week ago) link

Haha, tbh, rereading my own old paper, I had to review what some of those set theory concepts were. :\

Sund4r, Friday, 3 April 2020 04:31 (one week ago) link

I read as much as I conceivably could of your article, Sund4r, and it reminded me that I am but a rank amateur when it comes to this stuff! I know enough to grasp the overall premise, but your analysis is several magnitudes of complexity and insight beyond my meagre musicological – and mathematical – understanding.

Publius Covidius Naso (pomenitul), Saturday, 4 April 2020 13:13 (six days ago) link

It was more technical/arcane than I remembered tbh. The math that you need to be able to read and apply pitch class set theory is mostly just arithmetic, though, really.

Sund4r, Saturday, 4 April 2020 21:41 (six days ago) link


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