S/D: Indian / Hindustani / Karnatik fusion music

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Search: Debashish Bhattacharya's sumptuous & delightful Hawaiian & gypsy influenced slide guitar esp on Calcutta Chronicles

Destroy: Ali Akbar Khan's unbelievably bad Journey & Garden of Dreams. Was tempted to make a defend the indefensible thread abt these albums but thought it might be a bit niche. I can't think of a comparable case of such an otherwise immaculate discography being sullied by such spectacular stinkers, they're so bad it makes me wonder if I'm missing something

ogmor, Monday, 2 March 2020 10:46 (four months ago) link

no ideas but i'm interested ITT

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Monday, 2 March 2020 10:50 (four months ago) link

What don't you like about Garden of Dreams?

Dunty Reggae party 🎉 (Noodle Vague), Monday, 2 March 2020 10:58 (four months ago) link

the harmony, the key & chord changes. has he retuned his sarod to do this? the instrumentation also helps makes it sound frothy and saccharine and thin to me. there is such incredible weight to his playing normally but it's all gone

ogmor, Monday, 2 March 2020 11:05 (four months ago) link

It sounds fine to me tbh, tho the new age-y sheen is there I don't think it's overwhelming. I'm generally pretty comfortable with - I dunno what the word would be - new aginess I guess?

Have to admit despite having a bunch of records from the subcontinent I probably couldn't draw critical distinctions much but I don't tend to listen that way.

Dunty Reggae party 🎉 (Noodle Vague), Monday, 2 March 2020 11:14 (four months ago) link

yeah I recognise I am more or less alone on ilm at this point in raging against the insidious new age influence on otherwise noble instrumental music

ogmor, Monday, 2 March 2020 11:17 (four months ago) link

I don't hate all new age music, it's just this uncanny valley/no man's land/middle ground stuff that I can't abide

ogmor, Monday, 2 March 2020 11:21 (four months ago) link

Anyway I don't know enough so recs are all good. Most stuff I know isn't fusiony.

Dunty Reggae party 🎉 (Noodle Vague), Monday, 2 March 2020 11:24 (four months ago) link

Just listening now 👍

Dunty Reggae party 🎉 (Noodle Vague), Monday, 2 March 2020 11:28 (four months ago) link

Good thread idea. Some of my favorites:

Dagar Brothers
Hariprasad Chaurasia
U Srinivas (Carnatic music on mandolin!)
Brij Bhushan Kabra's Indian Slide Guitar
lots of stuff on the Nimbus label

I also find that I get into particular instruments more than particular artists, and will go on deep dives just listening to sarod or surbahar players, for instance. There's a wide, deep world of amazing music out there.

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 2 March 2020 11:54 (four months ago) link

Hariprasad Chaurasia & Zia Mohiuddin Dagar w/ his biiiig veena are as good as it gets ime. None of the other rudra veena players I've heard have been as good. Not heard fusion records by either of them tho, any particular recommendations? What are they like? Will check the rest which I've not heard of.

Don't think it's v controversial to deem Terry Riley's more Indian-influenced stuff like Shri Camel, the perhaps superior live recording Last Camel in Paris and A Rainbow in Curved Air as classics. Saw him live a few years ago playing with fusion stalwarts George Brooks (sax) and Talvin Singh (tabla), and it was really magnificent - spacious, slow, intense, great acoustics, esp Brooks - but the records I've heard from both are nothing like that and not at all to my tastes.

ogmor, Monday, 2 March 2020 15:28 (four months ago) link

Do you mean fusions of these musics with any kind of Western genre? Lots of good Indo-jazz music: Rajna Swaminathan, Rez Abbasi, Avataar. Agam did some good Carnatic/prog-rock fusion.

A case could be made but I never really think of people who play straight Carnatic music with mandolins, guitars, synths, saxes, etc. as the lead melodic instrument as doing fusions, as the pieces are never composed for specific instruments in the first place. The violin is e.g. as much of a canonical Carnatic instrument as any other.

Sund4r, Monday, 2 March 2020 15:33 (four months ago) link

I intended this to be as broad as possible; anything fused with Indian classical music. Talk abt Mahavishnu Orchestra or Jack Rose if you like! Debashish Bhattacharya is the only example I can think of where I think I prefer his more idiomatic fusion stuff to his straight Hindustani recordings

ogmor, Monday, 2 March 2020 15:56 (four months ago) link

Charanjit Singh another relevant classic known to most on ilx

ogmor, Monday, 2 March 2020 15:57 (four months ago) link

erm.. Joe Harriott's Indo-Jazz Suite? i don't if it meets the criteria of this thread but it is aces!

calzino, Monday, 2 March 2020 16:04 (four months ago) link

Haven't listened to it in a long while, but Quareeb by Najma was one of my most played records of 1987.


A perfect transcript of a routine post (Dan Peterson), Monday, 2 March 2020 19:04 (four months ago) link

I guess there probably isn't enough interest to sustain a dedicated Indian classical thread, but (to state the obvious) some of this fusion-type stuff we're talking about has little in common with the intricate systems of Hindustani or Carnatic music.

That said, this VM Bhatt / Ry Cooder album is the business: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKE3gDpgd2c

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 2 March 2020 20:46 (four months ago) link

Hell yes to Debashish Bhattacharya - particularly Calcutta Slide Guitar. Also yes to Joe Harriot! In a similar vein, Amancio D'Silva's Integration is magnificent.

Also really like Simon Shaheen & Vishwa Mohan Bhatt's Saltanah but that's pretty straight up classical.

Would Ry Cooder's record with VM Bhatt A Meeting by the River be too much of a stretch? Either way, it's great. XP!

Ngolo Cantwell (Chinaski), Monday, 2 March 2020 20:53 (four months ago) link

see above! I think it's great. The going rates on the secondhand market for some of those Water Lily Acoustics CDs may surprise certain "CD is dead" types

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 2 March 2020 21:42 (four months ago) link

We have a dedicated Indian classical thread, I'm pretty sure!

Sund4r, Monday, 2 March 2020 22:54 (four months ago) link

There are a couple but here is one: RFD: Indian music

Sund4r, Monday, 2 March 2020 22:56 (four months ago) link

the first CD by Colonial Cousins is like the perfect pop album to me

frogbs, Monday, 2 March 2020 23:00 (four months ago) link

that Najma albums sounds amazing!

A Meeting by the River absolutely rules

corrs unplugged, Wednesday, 4 March 2020 10:34 (four months ago) link

If you dig that Najma album, I love this one even more. The arrangements are more Westernized, but also more colorful and cinematic.


A perfect transcript of a routine post (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 4 March 2020 15:59 (four months ago) link

I just picked this up and only listened once so can't quite fully recommend yet, but Sarathy Korwar's "My East Is Your West" gathers a group of Indian musicians to play Indo-jazz fusion classics by Alice Coltrane, Pharoah Sanders, Don Cherry, etc.

rob, Wednesday, 4 March 2020 16:43 (four months ago) link

City of Words off that Sarathy Korwar record is fire:


Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Wednesday, 4 March 2020 17:19 (four months ago) link

wow, it is indeed

xp thx, will def check out more Najma

corrs unplugged, Friday, 6 March 2020 10:16 (four months ago) link

three months pass...

S: saicobab - peculiar psych/indian/japanese mix: sitar, double bass, riq (tambourine) & yoshimi p-we on vox. lots of dazzling riffage, quite high energy and choppy

rumpy riser (ogmor), Friday, 26 June 2020 09:47 (two weeks ago) link

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