CS + Kreme - Snoopy

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I don't think there's been a huge amount on ILM about CS + Kreme, although there is some related stuff here: HTRK/Hate Rock Trio

Anyway I thought this was fantastic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Zujudzx2MA

Then wasn't as into their subsequent 12"s, but the album is great, and doesn't seem to be getting reviewed anywhere apart from this typically OTT Boomkat blurb:

https://boomkat.com/products/snoopy-8d0aca4b-2024-4704-af34-a6b1b199339d

Anyway, trip hop, Coil, it's all very hazy, is anyone else listening to it?

toby, Sunday, 1 March 2020 18:50 (ten months ago) link

I love it. In my head I have been thinking of it as a more ambient Sylvian/Eno take on the last These New Puritans album.

Tim F, Sunday, 1 March 2020 22:00 (ten months ago) link

enjoying it

still regularly replay the standish/carlyon album too

mh, Monday, 2 March 2020 00:13 (ten months ago) link

Their single on TTT from 2018 was lovely

paolo, Monday, 2 March 2020 20:00 (ten months ago) link

Always check for TTT, excited to hear this

brimstead, Monday, 2 March 2020 20:04 (ten months ago) link

p sure roast ghost made it to the eoy 77 poll? love it

corrs unplugged, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 11:53 (ten months ago) link

https://soundcloud.com/nts_live/cs-kreme-live-session-4th-february-2020

toby, Saturday, 14 March 2020 17:00 (ten months ago) link

Wow, this is maybe even better than the album

Tim F, Sunday, 15 March 2020 10:46 (ten months ago) link

Wow, this is maybe even better than the album


First time through I found it a little surprising how clear the mix was compared to the records, but yeah, it’s great.

Still no reviews of the album anywhere as far as I can see?

toby, Sunday, 15 March 2020 20:20 (ten months ago) link

This is absolutely perfect self-isolation music

paolo, Saturday, 28 March 2020 20:40 (nine months ago) link

it is. i have been telling anyone who will listen the exact same thing.

stirmonster, Saturday, 28 March 2020 22:27 (nine months ago) link

two weeks pass...

this is excellent! spent the first couple tracks reaching for some portmanteau-style comparisons (The For Carnation produced by Pole, etc.) and then gave up as it's really quite hard to pigeonhole

dip to dup (rob), Sunday, 12 April 2020 15:18 (nine months ago) link

Anyway, trip hop, Coil, it's all very hazy

What Coil albums sound like this? I've been meaning to check them out for a while but have never got round to it

paolo, Sunday, 12 April 2020 16:28 (nine months ago) link

I was about to post that I just don't see the Coil comparison but actually, thinking about it I guess it is true. 'Saint' is pretty Coil-esque. A touch of the 'The Last Amesthyst Deceiver' about it perhaps?

I'm not sure there is an album by Coil that really sounds like this paolo, but maybe 'Musick To Play In The Dark vol 1' or 'The Ape Of Naples' would come sort of close in places, and either way both are incredible albums worthy of exploration.

stirmonster, Sunday, 12 April 2020 18:45 (nine months ago) link

Yeah I’m not sure there’s anything so close to either Coil or CS and Kreme but there is something about the mood of stuff like Musick to play in the dark that reminds me of tracks like Mount Warning.

toby, Sunday, 12 April 2020 20:03 (nine months ago) link

(I mean that I don’t think there are any other acts that sound particularly close to either of them, and they don’t sound particularly close to each other, and yet I don’t think there is nothing to my initial association of the two.)

toby, Sunday, 12 April 2020 20:04 (nine months ago) link

Wow--just gave a listen to "The Ape Of Naples" having never checked it out before, and yeah, Track 2 on the album which you point out, Stirmonster, is def in the proto-Snoopy zone in terms of how the vocal declamations float over top, as well as the simmering synth and bassline underneath (the marimba's a very cool unexpected touch, too!).

Cysteine Chapo (Craig D.), Sunday, 12 April 2020 23:18 (nine months ago) link

(and you're also right in that the whole album is indeed sounding incredible)

Cysteine Chapo (Craig D.), Sunday, 12 April 2020 23:27 (nine months ago) link

'Musick To Play In The Dark vol 1' or 'The Ape Of Naples' would come sort of close in places

I gave these a listen and they're really good, so thanks! I was concerned that they'd be too heavy/intense for me because I really can't listen to much heavy music right now but they're not too scary. And I can see the similarities with CS + Kreme - they're both quite dubby in places and both have surreal/daft lyrics that they can make sound all ominous

paolo, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 10:34 (nine months ago) link

six months pass...

Still probably my favourite album of the year.

New companion EP: https://csandkreme.bandcamp.com/album/howwouldyoufeelwithoutthatthought

toby, Monday, 9 November 2020 19:18 (two months ago) link

Snoopy will def be among my very fave albums of the year, and this EP is a very well-executed appendix

call mr zbow that's my name that name again is mr zbow (Craig D.), Monday, 9 November 2020 22:39 (two months ago) link

I am four minutes into "April Fools' Day" and oh shiiiiiiiiiiiiit this is good.

Tim F, Tuesday, 10 November 2020 08:03 (two months ago) link

It just occurred to me that Snoopy will possibly forever be classified in my head as my 'post brain surgery pre pandemic' album.

Tim F, Tuesday, 10 November 2020 08:05 (two months ago) link

Fuck this EP is so great.

It occurs to me that CS + Kreme are to 2020 what A Mountain of One were to 2007.

It's like, get on this music now because its resonance may dim in a few years time.

Tim F, Tuesday, 10 November 2020 08:21 (two months ago) link

For me this is totally a pandemic album, and it's merged with many cold dark evenings in lockdown in April (and now again). I've barely listened to it in daylight.

toby, Tuesday, 10 November 2020 20:24 (two months ago) link

Checked out Snoopy on the basis of this revive and shiiiiit its amazing

I am using your worlds, Tuesday, 10 November 2020 20:29 (two months ago) link

i've listened to 'snoopy' a few times over the past months, only thing i really remember are vague crespuscular labradford vibes crossed with a sort of deadpan dead c.-esque vocal delivery, but that might all be a distortion of memory. also, the question 'where did blueberries go?' keeps running through my head at random moments. guess i'm due a revisit?

kites aren't fun (NickB), Tuesday, 10 November 2020 23:01 (two months ago) link

The Labradford vibe is real, I listened to this for the first time last night and was like "this reminds me of Labradford, and also weirdly of Legendary Pink Dots."

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Tuesday, 10 November 2020 23:04 (two months ago) link

Pan American more specifically imo

rob, Tuesday, 10 November 2020 23:19 (two months ago) link

It's my pandemic album of choice for sure and perfect all over again for dark winter lockdowns. The new EP is great too.

The Legendary Pink Dots reference is really interesting. I'm not really getting that but perhaps it had just never crossed my mind. Will definitely consider that next time I listen and as LPD has been another pandemic big listen, it may make perfect sense.

stirmonster, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 00:48 (two months ago) link

Might have something to do with vocal affect, for some reason I kept thinking of Shadow Weaver.

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 02:42 (two months ago) link

Can't really see how an album could be any better for lockdown listening.

paolo, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 09:04 (two months ago) link

Slightly off topic but I've been getting into Coil after reading this thread and I can totally see the similarity, especially on Ape Of Naples. Will need to check out Labradford and LPD too. Other recommendations for similar artists would be appreciated!

paolo, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 09:06 (two months ago) link

I had somehow never listened to Shadow Weaver before. It's so good and I can totally hear how it realates to "Snoopy".

stirmonster, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 11:54 (two months ago) link

Shadow Weaver was my first LPD, found a tape copy in a free box. Eventually my car tape deck tried to eat it and it became unspooled, but unbeknownst to me, my then-new boyfriend took it, found a new cassette housing, and re-spooled the tape by hand while decorating the outside of the housing with creepy graphics. He gave it back to me for my birthday, and is now my husband.

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 12:11 (two months ago) link

Wow, Shadow Weaver sounds great! Gonna have to buy the expanded reissue with the 20-min bonus track.
Had read about LPD for years as a big part of the whole England's Hidden Reverse axis, but 20-odd years ago it was of course much harder to investigate, so cheers...

call mr zbow that's my name that name again is mr zbow (Craig D.), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 12:43 (two months ago) link

I have quite a few LPD albums and always like everything I hear but their catalogue is so vast so I have no doubt missed lots of great ones. the table is the table, that is a great story about your husband!

stirmonster, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 13:34 (two months ago) link

I have quite a few LPD records, but totally get the vastness issue. The thread on ILM was actually quite helpful for getting into them!

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 17:01 (two months ago) link

Pan American more specifically imo

― rob, Tuesday, November 10, 2020 6:19 PM (yesterday)

I put on Labradford's "Mi Media Naranja" after posting this, and I have to retract this opinion. But the first self-titled Pan American album is kind of slept on and you should check it out anyway (PA is a solo project for Mark Nelson)

rob, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 18:00 (two months ago) link

i love this album and i love that it's called snoopy

dogs, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 18:07 (two months ago) link

four weeks pass...

So fellow CS + Kreme fans, is there a track that we can all get behind for the end of year poll? I love Snoopy and will be voting for it is my A of the Y but I don't think there's any standout tracks, ie they're all at a similar level of excellence. Wouldn't want to go for Pussywhistle Tea though because fuck me that's a terrible song title.

paolo, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 13:06 (one month ago) link

Could go for either of the tracks from the new single too

paolo, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 13:07 (one month ago) link

Very tough to pick a standout track as it is a much more an overall immersive listen. "Snoopy" will be in my top 2 of 2020 but for a track I think (if i were voting) I'd maybe go with "Bugged" off the new single.

stirmonster, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 15:00 (one month ago) link

i'll def be voting for it in the albums poll

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Wednesday, 9 December 2020 15:25 (one month ago) link

Bugged is immense. Love the beat but unable to explain exactly how it is “wrong”

I am using your worlds, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 15:42 (one month ago) link

Mount Warning would be the track for me; but it'll be Snoopy I vote for.

toby, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 16:18 (one month ago) link

this album is something else, it does not go down easy for me. it’s so haunted... supremely chill surface but it’s as if it’s hiding something really nasty and awful underneath... idk.. “thoughts”

brimstead, Thursday, 10 December 2020 00:19 (one month ago) link

“Where did blueberries go” is definitely the best album-opening line of 2020

brimstead, Thursday, 10 December 2020 00:20 (one month ago) link

some of it kind reminds me of some of Piano Magic’s eerie early stuff

brimstead, Thursday, 10 December 2020 02:03 (one month ago) link

vibes wise

brimstead, Thursday, 10 December 2020 02:03 (one month ago) link

anyone get that two cassette mix they just put out, reel torque 20? i've got it but i won't get a chance to listen until christmas (it's wrapped rn up as a lil present to myself), no tracklist, what a mystery

dogs, Thursday, 10 December 2020 18:43 (one month ago) link

don't know how i missed this all year, incredible stuff

cosmic vision | bleak epiphany | erotic email (map), Thursday, 10 December 2020 20:12 (one month ago) link

track in the first post is still my favorite but yeah this is good stuff

the late great, Thursday, 10 December 2020 20:16 (one month ago) link

anyone get that two cassette mix they just put out, reel torque 20? i've got it but i won't get a chance to listen until christmas (it's wrapped rn up as a lil present to myself), no tracklist, what a mystery

Jealous - I didn't know about that. Hopefully someone will rip it to Youtube at some point.

toby, Thursday, 10 December 2020 20:22 (one month ago) link

this album is something else, it does not go down easy for me. it’s so haunted... supremely chill surface but it’s as if it’s hiding something really nasty and awful underneath... idk.. “thoughts”

― brimstead, Thursday, December 10, 2020 12:19 AM (twenty hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah. i'm just going off "roast ghost (ultra lavender mix)" but it's like plants growing out of chopped up bodies or something.

cosmic vision | bleak epiphany | erotic email (map), Thursday, 10 December 2020 20:32 (one month ago) link

(xp) I assumed from the way that it's described on Boomkat that the Reel Torque tape is a DJ mix with maybe some original material sprinkled in, not worlds away from many of the cassette-only releases on The Trilogy Tapes

call mr zbow that's my name that name again is mr zbow (Craig D.), Thursday, 10 December 2020 20:40 (one month ago) link

So fellow CS + Kreme fans, is there a track that we can all get behind for the end of year poll? I love Snoopy and will be voting for it is my A of the Y but I don't think there's any standout tracks, ie they're all at a similar level of excellence. Wouldn't want to go for Pussywhistle Tea though because fuck me that's a terrible song title.

― paolo, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 13:06 (two days ago)

It's tough to pick a single track, it does all sort of flow together. Blue Flu & Mount Warning are maybe the two that jump out at me most often, but then Saint feels like the one that's the perfect lockdown time capsule. Will definitely be voting for the album high up on my album ballot anyway.

Mr Andy M, Friday, 11 December 2020 19:01 (one month ago) link

Appreciate the suggestions for similar artists/albums upthread. Got Shadow Weaver by Legendary Pink Dots on just now & it's sounding pretty great.

Mr Andy M, Friday, 11 December 2020 19:02 (one month ago) link

:-)

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Saturday, 12 December 2020 02:36 (one month ago) link

dang this is good

na (NA), Monday, 21 December 2020 20:42 (one month ago) link

The recent single is so great to just ~space~ to

Tim F, Monday, 28 December 2020 00:52 (four weeks ago) link

Damn, how did I miss this? ANY mention of Labradford and/or The For Carnation should immediately send up a bat signal of some sort.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 21:23 (three weeks ago) link

Now's not the time for glibness but the widescreen creeping dread of the recent EP is perfect for watching the world burn.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 21:40 (three weeks ago) link

hey what's up, i listened to the tape mix - pretty good

they've got asa chang and junray - hana on there, patty waters, public enemy, a song from the ghost dog soundtrack, got some throat singing on there, some gamelan

whole thing is a trip tbh

dogs, Tuesday, 12 January 2021 17:49 (two weeks ago) link

Sounds like my freeform radio sets during my uni days!

Pere Legume (the table is the table), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 02:07 (two weeks ago) link

this album should appeal to all you snoopy-heads that wanna get churned up by more coil-esque looping psychedlic ambient

Geins't Naït & Scanner ‎– GN / Scanner

https://open.spotify.com/album/5kgC1RMEMkt9lsrTU6k2XA?si=Ymr6pPPOTMuNK-KP6zA1WA

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Wednesday, 20 January 2021 15:31 (one week ago) link

That's on Offen isn't it? Love that label.

paolo, Wednesday, 20 January 2021 16:05 (one week ago) link

yep! anything vladimir ivkovic touches is worthwhile imo

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Wednesday, 20 January 2021 16:17 (one week ago) link


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