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it took me a while to come around on this one as the thrash pivot to slow groovy music was generally a thing that made me wrinkle my nose. however there are quite a few good pivots (Testament's Low being an example) and lately on listening to this more closely I think this is much more of a classic than I gave it credit for

I play "Refuse/Resist" in moments of political anger now. and I love "Territory".

what say you?

Poll Results

1. "Refuse/Resist" Max Cavalera 3:20 8
7. "Biotech Is Godzilla" Jello Biafra 1:52 2
12. "Clenched Fist" Max Cavalera 4:58 2
2. "Territory" Andreas Kisser 4:47 2
8. "Nomad" Andreas Kisser 4:59 1
6. "Propaganda" Max Cavalera 3:33 1
5. "Kaiowas" (instrumental) 3:43 1
3. "Slave New World" Evan Seinfeld, Max Cavalera 2:55 1
4. "Amen" Max Cavalera 4:27 0
9. "We Who Are Not as Others" Max Cavalera 3:42 0
10. "Manifest" Max Cavalera 4:49 0
11. "The Hunt" (New Model Army cover) Justin Sullivan, Robert Heaton 3:59 0

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Thursday, 13 February 2020 04:53 (seven months ago) link


paolo, Thursday, 13 February 2020 07:47 (seven months ago) link

The beginning of the end, but still a good record.

Refuse/Resist, though I do have soft spot for Jello. Nomad is the other highlight.

Ngolo Cantwell (Chinaski), Thursday, 13 February 2020 09:24 (seven months ago) link

always thought it was very cool they covered NMA on here. probably vote for Territory. on another note, been relistening to the discography in order, some of it for the first time in years. Schizophrenia is fantastic! Really really good.

also - the new album is fantastic, and their current drummer is one of their very best.

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Thursday, 13 February 2020 09:28 (seven months ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Thursday, 20 February 2020 00:01 (seven months ago) link


Thybulle on the Dash (Spottie), Thursday, 20 February 2020 00:05 (seven months ago) link

This is a fucking great album. Voted "Slave New World."

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 20 February 2020 00:05 (seven months ago) link

I think "Territory" is mine.

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Thursday, 20 February 2020 00:09 (seven months ago) link

huh, i always figured biotech is godzilla lyrics being kinda bad was down to english as additional language issues.

frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 20 February 2020 00:10 (seven months ago) link

is AIDS?

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Thursday, 20 February 2020 00:12 (seven months ago) link

I like at least that unlike other "post-thrash" or "groove" metal of the 90s, A) the production wasn't overtly slick, and B) they used simple ideas but it wasn't just the same tired chord progressions over and over, the songwriting is pretty great.

it's the same Sepul-engine slowed down, kinda like South of Heaven

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Thursday, 20 February 2020 00:14 (seven months ago) link

saw them touring this record, paradise lost circa icon opening. oh! the memories. great show, great great record, voted clenched fist

gaudio, Thursday, 20 February 2020 00:27 (seven months ago) link

fuck I love this record

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 20 February 2020 01:03 (seven months ago) link

I saw them on this tour too, at Studio 1, a horrible dive in Newark, NJ. The openers were Clutch, Fear Factory, and Fudge Tunnel. Waiting in line out front, I was talking to a dude who handed me a cassette demo by his band, Deadguy.

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 20 February 2020 01:05 (seven months ago) link

add another to Refuse/Resist. I like a lot of this album but that song is one of the defining tracks of their career.

gman59, Thursday, 20 February 2020 03:55 (seven months ago) link

“Territory” for me - this is an odd album, it’s probably the best groove metal album ever (the production is amazing) but it was the beginning of the end for them in a way.

Chaos AD came right after their tour with Pantera and Biohazard and it shows. I can understand the band were getting bored with their Slayer-derived thrash sound but they ended up chasing every trend (groove metal here, teaming up with Ross Robinson to do nu-metal with Roots, etc) which lost them most of their initial fanbase and they never stuck to something long enough to pick up many loyal new ones.

Siegbran, Thursday, 20 February 2020 05:37 (seven months ago) link

yeah, I've been slowly digging into Derrick-era Sepultura lately and I have found it interesting that I often can't pin down what they're specializing in. they definitely knocked the Roots shit out of their system by the early 2000s. sometimes they bring thrash numbers back but they never commit to it for long, though these tracks are usually pretty solid. some of the groovy stuff is interesting - Kisser seems to add interesting lead parts over the rhythm riffs.

none of the Derrick era albums are exactly "best of decade" nominees but I like quite a few of them! actually plan to see them in April though I'd be lying if I said it wasn't to get to hear some of the 90s material.

the first time I saw Sepultura live, they played "Beneath the Remains" in the key of like...C, and it sounded awful. this was probably Roorback tour I think. idk if they still experiment with it in the lower key, cos last time i saw them, when they did "Desperate Cry" from Arise, they switched guitars and played it in its normal key.

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Thursday, 20 February 2020 06:58 (seven months ago) link

(Fwiw I...kinda like Roots? i mean guitar enthusiasts won't find a lot to go nuts over, but I like the sum of the parts, the percussive nature of things, even if Max's vocals are abysmal)

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Thursday, 20 February 2020 06:59 (seven months ago) link

Roots always sounded to me like the band got pushed into the studio with Robinson, with no songs written beforehand, and after three weeks of “guys, we need so do *something*, anything” they just went home and Ross protooled together whatever bits they had come up with.

Siegbran, Thursday, 20 February 2020 08:12 (seven months ago) link

roots is fucking awesome. this has been established

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 20 February 2020 13:43 (seven months ago) link

agree. sonically just such a huge environment, great groove throughout

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 20 February 2020 13:58 (seven months ago) link

I saw Sepultura four times in the 90s, the best of which was Brixton 1993, supported by Paradise Lost. I saw them at Donington in 1994 on a bill with Biohazard and Pantera (both awesome) and also Extreme and Aerosmith, of whom I have no recollection and makes me think I probably went home early. The Roots stuff was immense live.

Headswim were also on that Donington bill and damn I'd forgotten about them - what a live band.

Ngolo Cantwell (Chinaski), Thursday, 20 February 2020 14:03 (seven months ago) link

Siegbran, are you a “the first demo was the best, they sold out after that” guy generally? Not meant as snark; that attitude is very real, especially among metal fans of A Certain Age (my age, tbh) and that’s kind of the vibe I’m getting here.

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 20 February 2020 14:27 (seven months ago) link

relistened today and i agree Roots is a downstep but its certainly not bad... just too long and a bit underwritten. other than the great singles some of it just floats past. it's an amazing sound but they needed more songs. in comparison the two LPs before it are just incredible (and short!)

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Thursday, 20 February 2020 15:52 (seven months ago) link

re: roots. yeah, i'm def on roots-is-good camp. we all remember how sep's dm contemporaneous were all pretty much adjusting, redifining, changing their sound, right? so, theirs, seemed perfectelly natural to my ears. all about the drumming and percussion going on in roots. it's the igor show, isn't it? yeah, by then they were a lot into nação zumbi (yes!) and all the other mangue beat guys, and it shows

gaudio, Thursday, 20 February 2020 18:28 (seven months ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Friday, 21 February 2020 00:01 (seven months ago) link

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