The Boss does sound more than a bit constipated on BITU so that’s adds a few points on the butt-scale.
― Siegbran, Sunday, 9 February 2020 20:01 (four years ago) link
I've been underrating "Roadhouse Blues" as butt rock urtext, focusing instead on Hendrix and Sticky Fingers. But the throbbing and moaning of "Roadhouse Blues", its gracelessness, its thud: this is butt.
― juntos pedemos (Euler), Sunday, 9 February 2020 20:12 (four years ago) link
Forgive my buttless ignorance, but how does this differ from cock rock?
cock rock at least gives the hos equal standing to bros, and in some instances be closer to hos before bros
― sarahell, Sunday, 9 February 2020 20:43 (four years ago) link
like cock rock is more Rolling Stones and Rod Stewart and the audience is the aforementioned dudes alongside the women in crop tops and jean shorts
― sarahell, Sunday, 9 February 2020 20:51 (four years ago) link
I thought butts were gender neutral?
― toilet-cleaning brain surgeon (pomenitul), Sunday, 9 February 2020 20:54 (four years ago) link
^exactly!
― dad genes (morrisp), Sunday, 9 February 2020 21:00 (four years ago) link
Most of the cock rock i know is misogynist as hell
― ill fuckin put a paste on those (Neanderthal), Sunday, 9 February 2020 21:05 (four years ago) link
I knew a guy he had a butt15 miles on the Eerie Canut
― ill fuckin put a paste on those (Neanderthal), Sunday, 9 February 2020 21:06 (four years ago) link
butts also do not see color, yet the vast majority of buttrock is white
― sarahell, Sunday, 9 February 2020 21:07 (four years ago) link
There is no way Born in the USA is butt rock.
I think the element that some butt-adjacent songs are missing is the troglodyte quality of real butt rock. Trve Cult Butt Rock like Grand Funk Railroad's first album has a willful stupidity to it, but(t) too much willfulness or knowingness kills butt rock dead. Also, butt rock does permit metaphor or wordplay, it's just that these aspirations to artiness must be deployed with a certain locker room crassness, such as winking double entendres for how the singer's penis fits in a vagina.
― We're jumping on the road with @Nickelback this summer! (PBKR), Sunday, 9 February 2020 21:07 (four years ago) link
yes! because women do not have cocks. whereas, everyone has a butt
― sarahell, Sunday, 9 February 2020 21:08 (four years ago) link
Cock Rock is more about blatantly trying to get laid, while Butt Rock is more about partying and just having fun in general.
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 9 February 2020 21:08 (four years ago) link
I guess what I am saying is a butt rock requires a little meat head.
― We're jumping on the road with @Nickelback this summer! (PBKR), Sunday, 9 February 2020 21:09 (four years ago) link
born in the USA is beloved by many meat heads!
― sarahell, Sunday, 9 February 2020 21:10 (four years ago) link
Xxxpost Which is why BulletBoys "I'll Tear That Asshole Like a Movie Ticket" doesn't count
― ill fuckin put a paste on those (Neanderthal), Sunday, 9 February 2020 21:11 (four years ago) link
Let's go further back in time. Is the back door in 'Back Door Man' in fact a butt?
― toilet-cleaning brain surgeon (pomenitul), Sunday, 9 February 2020 21:12 (four years ago) link
are you talking about the original or the Doors version?
― sarahell, Sunday, 9 February 2020 21:20 (four years ago) link
I guess we can go all artist v. audience on this. I just don't see an ironic song about the plight of Vietnam vets is a butt rock anthem. If you played this with all the Foghat/Foreigner/Grand Funk/BTO it would stick out like a sore thumb. It's an interesting argument though, cause I agree there are heads so meat they will see butt in any rock.
― We're jumping on the road with @Nickelback this summer! (PBKR), Sunday, 9 February 2020 21:21 (four years ago) link
I am pretty sure that in both the "back door" is an actual door, and the anatomical referents are penis and vagina, allowing for rear entry of vagina as a possibility, but not butt
― sarahell, Sunday, 9 February 2020 21:22 (four years ago) link
It's about entering and sneaking out of the backdoor when fuckin' a married woman in their own home
― ill fuckin put a paste on those (Neanderthal), Sunday, 9 February 2020 21:23 (four years ago) link
The LITERAL BACK DOOR
xxp I also don’t think it’s defined by audience... and anyway, “meatheads” are just one subset of the huge audience that love(d) “Born in the U.S.A.”
― dad genes (morrisp), Sunday, 9 February 2020 21:27 (four years ago) link
Springsteen refused Chrysler Corporation CEO Lee Iacocca's request to use "Born in the U.S.A." in commercials for Chrysler cars, turning down an offer that would have been worth several million dollars.
like -- being used in car commercials in the 1980s (even requested use) is definitely a sign that a song has butt appreciation.
― sarahell, Sunday, 9 February 2020 21:28 (four years ago) link
maybe this is a good metaphor:
https://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/20-things-that-totally-look-like-butts/84033783/
― sarahell, Sunday, 9 February 2020 21:29 (four years ago) link
That's just, like, one layer, man.
I was thinking of The Doors' version btw, as it comes with extra butt.
― toilet-cleaning brain surgeon (pomenitul), Sunday, 9 February 2020 21:35 (four years ago) link
the message of bitusa is too grim for buttrock
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 9 February 2020 21:40 (four years ago) link
I would argue that the artist's refusal to allow the song's use in a car commercial is a sign it is not butt rock. I guess ultimately I subscribe to the auteur theory of butt rock.
― We're jumping on the road with @Nickelback this summer! (PBKR), Sunday, 9 February 2020 21:40 (four years ago) link
as with most cultural products, I tend to emphasize reception theory -- thus the appropriation of Born in the U.S.A. by the butt genre, is a totally valid argument in the butt vs. not-butt issue.
― sarahell, Sunday, 9 February 2020 21:43 (four years ago) link
otoh, along with unperson, tracer, mookieproof, crut, and Neanderthal, I do view ums as having expertise in this butt-defining exercise.
― sarahell, Sunday, 9 February 2020 21:45 (four years ago) link
oh and granny dainger
this discussion has definitely been very eye-opening
― ill fuckin put a paste on those (Neanderthal), Sunday, 9 February 2020 21:49 (four years ago) link
is the eye brown?
― sarahell, Sunday, 9 February 2020 21:50 (four years ago) link
According to the reception theory, “Bohemian Rhapsody” would be butt rock!https://nypdecider.files.wordpress.com/2019/02/waynes-world-car-queen.jpg
― dad genes (morrisp), Sunday, 9 February 2020 22:02 (four years ago) link
― ill fuckin put a paste on those (Neanderthal), Sunday, February 9, 2020 4:49 PM (eighteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― sarahell, Sunday, February 9, 2020 4:50 PM (seventeen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
lock thread.
― We're jumping on the road with @Nickelback this summer! (PBKR), Sunday, 9 February 2020 22:10 (four years ago) link
but then we'll never know the winner
― ill fuckin put a paste on those (Neanderthal), Sunday, 9 February 2020 22:12 (four years ago) link
okay, here's a diagram: bohemian rhapsody would be in the circle to the right
XXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXX XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXX XXXX XXXXX X XXXXX XXXXXX XXXXX XXX XXXXX XXXX XXX XXX XXXXXXX XXX XXX XXXX XXX XX XX music that has XXX XXX music liked by X XX sonic elements XX XXX people seen as XXXXX of buttrock X XXX audience for XXXX that aren't XX buttrock XX buttrock XXX buttrock XX XX X X because XX XXX X XX audience and/or XXX X X XX artists are not XX X X X BUTT XXX XXX XX XX XX XXXX XXX XX XXX XXXX XX XXX XXXXX XX XX XXXXXXXX XX XX X XXX XXX XXX XXXX XXXXXXX XXXX X X XXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXX XXX XXXXX XXXX XXXX X X XX XX XXXX X XXX X XXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXX
― sarahell, Sunday, 9 February 2020 22:13 (four years ago) link
damn ... when I put it in the add a post box it was lovely venn diagram
― sarahell, Sunday, 9 February 2020 22:14 (four years ago) link
https://i.ibb.co/vCNX5FL/original.png
― ill fuckin put a paste on those (Neanderthal), Sunday, 9 February 2020 22:15 (four years ago) link
anyway -- bohemian rhapsody is "music that buttrock audiences like" but is not buttrock
― sarahell, Sunday, 9 February 2020 22:16 (four years ago) link
Springsteen does a live “Dancing in the Dark” that’s all guitars and no keebs, and that’s as close to butt rock as The Boss gets.
There’s a whole other world of Hot New Country songs that are really Hot New Butt Rock.
― ... (Eazy), Sunday, 9 February 2020 22:19 (four years ago) link
makes sense, there's usually a southern vibe
― ill fuckin put a paste on those (Neanderthal), Sunday, 9 February 2020 22:20 (four years ago) link
Like you have Butt Rock, then you have Butt Rock: The Next Generation -- which is that nickelback stuff, and then you have like, Butt Rock: Deep Space 9 which is country like "Boot Scootin' Boogie" and "Friends in Low Places" -- the latter of which might be a bit verbose to be butt, but there is a pervasive butt spirit to the song
― sarahell, Sunday, 9 February 2020 22:22 (four years ago) link
Save a Horse, Ride a Cowboy?
― ill fuckin put a paste on those (Neanderthal), Sunday, 9 February 2020 22:23 (four years ago) link
Styx, "Renegade"?
― ill fuckin put a paste on those (Neanderthal), Sunday, 9 February 2020 22:25 (four years ago) link
“Renegade” is kind of Broadway Butt Rock.
― ... (Eazy), Sunday, 9 February 2020 22:27 (four years ago) link
Is there indie butt rock? Or would that be a category error?
― dad genes (morrisp), Sunday, 9 February 2020 22:38 (four years ago) link
most butt is AOR butt
― ill fuckin put a paste on those (Neanderthal), Sunday, 9 February 2020 22:39 (four years ago) link
the indie negates the butt; there is definitely indie rock with butt inspirations, but it would require like, whatever the musical equivalent of those silicone implants are, in order to be buttrock.
― sarahell, Sunday, 9 February 2020 22:39 (four years ago) link
the label heads are right up in there
lol xhuxk covered this in the last butt rock thread
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 9 February 2020 22:40 (four years ago) link