Rolling Jazz Thread 2020

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The thing to judge in any jazz artist is, does the man project and does he have ideas.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, 1 January 2020 17:46 (eleven months ago) link

I went to see Pharoah Sanders at Iridium this past weekend, with Benito Gonzalez on piano, Nat Reeves on bass, and Johnathan Blake on drums. They played three pieces, each one 15-20 minutes long, and honestly, for a lot of it it was the Benito Gonzalez Trio featuring special guest Pharoah Sanders. But when Pharoah was actually playing, he was on. Not doing the whole T. Rex-roaring thing but digging deep into hard bop language, like Coltrane in 1958. On the last number, his son Tomoki came out, also playing tenor, and took a decent solo that was more in a '60s Fire Music vein. I hadn't seen Sanders live in about 25 years, and/but I'm glad I went.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, 1 January 2020 17:49 (eleven months ago) link

It's inevitable that this would be the case. Still, I missed him when he was in the bay area and regret it.

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 1 January 2020 18:46 (eleven months ago) link

thanks for sharing, phil. really hoping i can catch him in the very near future

budo jeru, Friday, 3 January 2020 06:57 (ten months ago) link

also, bringing this over from last year's thread:

haven't seen it mentioned anywhere else, so posting here as it may be of interest: earlier this year austrian label black-monk reissued franz koglmann's "flaps" and "opium for franz" on both vinyl and CD.

i've found it incredibly difficult to track down even an mp3 rip of "opium for franz" (to say nothing to say of an original LP), so this is most welcome !

looks like some of the european distributors still have copies, but americans might have better luck sending an email directly to the label.

― budo jeru, Tuesday, December 31, 2019 3:23 PM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink

Opium/For Franz was reissued on CD in ‘99 or 2000, but it was a needledrop. Curious if this new reissue (the vinyl, particularly) is mastered from a different source.

― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, December 31, 2019 4:10 PM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink

looked into this, i think what happened is the so-called "opium" CD (from 2001 it turns out) was composed of bits from both "flaps" and "opium" tho neither record was reissued in its entirety. so here is a chance to have both. as for the sound quality, i can report back when i receive the "opium" LP

budo jeru, Friday, 3 January 2020 07:01 (ten months ago) link

Ah, interesting. I mainly purchased the '01 CD for the Bill Dixon collaboration; the Lacy stuff was a nice bonus.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 3 January 2020 14:53 (ten months ago) link

Just finished listening to all of Ben Monder's Day After Day from last year. Was pretty surprised to hear a disc of easygoing tuneful interpretations of 70s pop tunes after a disc of knotty solo jams. Very nice, as usual.

Un sang impur (Sund4r), Friday, 3 January 2020 15:33 (ten months ago) link

I've decided to dig into Johnny Hodges' albums with organist Wild Bill Davis from the mid '60s. They've just been given the cheapo Euro reissue treatment, so I bought four CDs (one of them is a 2CD set) that include between them the albums Blue Hodge, Sandy's Gone, Mess of Blues, Blue Rabbit, Con-Soul & Sax, Wings & Things, Blue Pyramid, In Atlantic City, Blue Notes and Stride Right, all for about $30 including shipping from Spain (I think).

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Friday, 3 January 2020 17:21 (ten months ago) link

I love Johnny Hodges- for me the smaller the group, the better

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 3 January 2020 17:30 (ten months ago) link

Tortoise’s Jeff Parker and his ensemble the New Breed have announced a new record. Suite for Max Brown features a version of John Coltrane’s “After the Rain” and an interpretation of Joe Henderson’s “Black Narcissus.” The album comes out on January 24 via International Anthem/Nonesuch. Check out Jeff Parker & The New Breed’s new track “Go Away,” along with the Suite for Max Brown artwork and their European tour dates, below.

Excited for this. Was a big fan of 'The New Breed' album.

millmeister, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 20:52 (ten months ago) link

Same, very excited

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 20:53 (ten months ago) link

It's pretty good. A lot of it is more D'Angelo-esque bedroom-R&B (as in "music made by a dude in his bedroom" not "soundtrack to bedroom activities") than jazz, but definitely worth hearing.

Looking forward to Winter Jazzfest this weekend. Here's a list of what I recommend, if you're gonna be there:

6:00 – Nasheet Waits by Sea @ Zinc Bar
7:00 – Run into Webster Hall, throw a water balloon full of piss at Joey
Alexander, run away
7:15 – Hypnotic Brass Ensemble @ SOBs
8:15 – Ambrose Akinmusire @ Webster Hall
8:30 – Kokoroko @ SOBs
9:30 – Makaya McCraven @ Webster Hall
10:00 – Ted Poor/Cuong Vu/Kris Davis @ Zürcher Gallery
10:45 – Igmar Thomas’ Revive Big Band @ Webster Hall
12:15 – Jaimie Branch @ The Dance
1:30 – Simona Premazzi @ Zinc Bar

6:30 – Steve Lehman Trio + Craig Taborn @ Zinc Bar
7:00 – Brandee Younger @ Webster Hall
7:30 – Tia Fuller @ SOBs OR The Cookers @ Subculture
8:30 – Nduduzo Makhathini @ Zürcher Gallery
9:15 – Hypnotic Brass Ensemble @ Mercury Lounge
9:45 – Susan Alcorn Quintet @ The Dance
10:30 – Kassa Overall @ Mercury Lounge
11:45 – Theo Croker @ Mercury Lounge
12:15 – Anna Webber @ The Dance
12:30 - Gregg August @ Subculture
1:00 – Heroes Are Gang Leaders @ Mercury Lounge

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 20:56 (ten months ago) link

Love the two advance tracks.

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 21:12 (ten months ago) link

Thank god for Bandcamp credits, that's Makaya on drums on 'Go Away'

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 21:22 (ten months ago) link

The 20 best jazz albums of the 2010s, according to Stereogum/me.

20 Nicole Mitchell – Mandorla Awakening II: Emerging Worlds (FPE, 2017)
19 Darcy James Argue’s Secret Society – Real Enemies (New Amsterdam, 2016)
18 Branford Marsalis Quartet – Four MFs Playin’ Tunes (Marsalis Music, 2012)
17 Orrin Evans – Flip The Script (Posi-Tone, 2012)
16 Cécile McLorin Salvant – Dreams And Daggers (Mack Avenue, 2017)
15 Donny McCaslin – Beyond Now (Motéma, 2016)
14 Linda May Han Oh – Aventurine (Biophilia, 2019)
13 Esperanza Spalding – Radio Music Society (Heads Up, 2012)
12 Ambrose Akinmusire – The Imagined Savior Is Far Easier To Paint (Blue Note, 2014)
11 William Parker – Wood Flute Songs (AUM Fidelity, 2013)
10 Matana Roberts – Coin Coin Chapter Two: Mississippi Moonchile (Constellation, 2013)
9 Sons Of Kemet – Your Queen Is A Reptile (Impulse!, 2018)
8 Irreversible Entanglements – Irreversible Entanglements (International Anthem, 2017)
7 Tyshawn Sorey – The Inner Spectrum Of Variables (Pi, 2016)
6 Nduduzo Makhathini – Ikhambi (Universal Music, 2017)
5 Kamasi Washington – The Epic (Brainfeeder, 2015)
4 Mary Halvorson Octet – Away With You (Firehouse 12, 2016)
3 Henry Threadgill 14 Or 15 Kestra: Agg – Dirt… And More Dirt (Pi, 2018)
2 Jaimie Branch – Fly Or Die (International Anthem, 2017)
1 Christian Scott aTunde Adjuah – The Centennial Trilogy (Ropeadope, 2017)

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Thursday, 9 January 2020 14:17 (ten months ago) link

There's probably little reason to dedicate a thread to International Anthem that isn't covered by this one, but good lord have they put out an amazing pile of records--I haven't even gotten to the first Fly Or Die or the Irreversible Entanglements albums yet (nor the Jeff Parker or Angel Bat Dawid ones).

rob, Thursday, 9 January 2020 15:58 (ten months ago) link

V cool list. 2, 3, 5, and 10 are albums I own and have listened to a lot. 9 and 20 I listened to a decent amount but never bought. Halvorson, Spalding, Parker, and Argue have other albums I've liked or loved but I somehow didn't get around to these ones. The Makaya McCraven from 2018 didn't make it?

Un sang impur (Sund4r), Thursday, 9 January 2020 16:34 (ten months ago) link

I thought a lot about McCraven. I think this is my favorite of his albums:

Everything he does has some brilliant stuff and some filler, but that one's the most front-to-back satisfying for me as a listener.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Thursday, 9 January 2020 16:52 (ten months ago) link

I've just picked an album off that list that I've never heard of to listen to on Spotify, moreorless at random, bcs the name sounded interesting: William Parker – Wood Flute Songs (AUM Fidelity, 2013). It's got 44 tracks and is 9 and a quarter hours long. This is why I'll only ever be a jazz dilettante.

fetter, Thursday, 9 January 2020 21:10 (ten months ago) link

Parker plays on half of Walt Dickey's very good Tao Quartets - Peace Planet Box Of Light album from this year. A much more bite sized project - only 2 hours long!

calzino, Thursday, 9 January 2020 21:18 (ten months ago) link

Yeah, Wood Flute Songs is a box set of live recordings. If you just want to get an idea of what that band sounds like, try their regular albums: O'Neal's Porch or Sound Unity or Petit Oiseau.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Thursday, 9 January 2020 21:43 (ten months ago) link

Parker also plays in the Sonoluminescence Trio, who are v good imo. Pretty free/out.

Un sang impur (Sund4r), Thursday, 9 January 2020 22:03 (ten months ago) link

Anybody else at Winter Jazzfest? I’m about to see Hypnotic Brass Ensemble at SOBs.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Saturday, 11 January 2020 00:03 (ten months ago) link

always have a conversation about this with various friends but I am afraid my metabolism and schedule don’t really allow for it

The Soundtrack of Burl Ives (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 11 January 2020 00:59 (ten months ago) link

Saw Hypnotic, who were preceded - and briefly joined - by a Chicago footwork troupe. Now I’m at Webster Hall for Ambrose Akinmusire and then Makaya McCraven. I was gonna have to run out and come back, but Kokoroko didn’t get visas, so this is where my night ends.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Saturday, 11 January 2020 01:29 (ten months ago) link

Too bad Kokoroko didn't get visas. Alas, that's happening more and more under current administration.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 11 January 2020 04:31 (ten months ago) link

Are there any 20-something Latin Jazz musicians? Any Latin jazz musicians who listen to reggaeton or Latin pop as well as old stuff and jazz?

Was looking at some guy's list of his top 2019 Latin Jazz albums and those questions came to mind (in addition to why doesn't he like Eddie Palmieri)--

1-Carlos Henriquez- Dizzy Con Clave

2-Siguarajazz- De Pelicula

3-John Rodriguez- Brutal

4-Wayne Wallace Latin Jazz Quintet- The Rhythm Of Invention

5-Oscar Hernandez & Alma Libre- Love The Moment

6-Poncho Sanchez- Trane’s Delight

7-Chucho Valdes- Bata Jazz 2

8-Bill O’Connell and The Afro Caribbean Ensemble- Wind Off The Hudson

9-Steve Khan- Patchwork

10-Gunter Brock- Entre Amigos

11-Machito Jr. & Cubology- For My Grandsons

12-GC and The Cuban Cowboys

13-Michel Camilo- Essence

14-Joe Gonzalez- 62nd & 10th

15-Carlos Sarduy- Luz

16-El Comite- So What?

17-Andy Williams & Alabama All Stars- De La Habana A Alabama

18-Patricio Bonilla- Volando Bajito

19-Classico Latino- Havana Classico

20-Samuel Torres- Alegria

21-Humberto Ramirez- 8 Doors

22-Trombeatz- A Caribbean Thing

23-Ryan Timoffe Timba Jazz- Cuban Safari

24-Cuban Jazz Report

25-Juan Alamo & Marijazz-

26-Enrique Lazaga

27-Chemi Nakai- Ascendent

28-The Cuban Latin Jazz- Juntos Por Siempre

29-Owen Watt & Bobby Carcasses- Carlito’s Tune

30-Sr. Ortegon- The Latin Experience

curmudgeon, Saturday, 11 January 2020 04:46 (ten months ago) link

lol, unperson: you and i had much the same itinerary! I did Theo Bleckmann/Hypnotic/Ambrose/Gretchen Parlato/Todd Sickafoose. I wish i had the gumption for Jaimie Branch but I have tickets to see her in March and I'm doing this again tomorrow and then globalfest on Sunday.... like 18 hours of festival in three days!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 11 January 2020 06:45 (ten months ago) link

also pissed i missed McCraven AGAIN but i'm definitely seeing his Gil Scott Heron show tomorrow come hell or high water

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 11 January 2020 06:46 (ten months ago) link

this probably doesn't answer your questions in the right direction but do you know this album curmudgeon?

j., Saturday, 11 January 2020 07:15 (ten months ago) link

Driving home the back roads from Louisville, caught this show on the radio tonight.

The stuff about the Stax school is really cool but I really liked Paul McKinney's music too.

Got curious to look Paul McKinney online and his profile is so small, considering how talented he is as a musician and educator. He has shockingly little at all out there. One might think there would be at least phone videos or something, but I could not find much at all. Which considering how much odd and terrible music out there is kinda wild, considering this guys obvious high level of skills.

earlnash, Saturday, 11 January 2020 08:20 (ten months ago) link

I bugged out early so missed McCraven last night, but apparently it was an incredible band: Marquis Hill on trumpet, Greg Ward on alto sax, I'm not sure who on tenor sax, Brandee Younger on harp, Joel Ross on vibes, Junius Paul on bass...

I'm trying for Steve Lehman + Craig Taborn, Brandee Younger, the Cookers, and Nduduzo Makhathini tonight.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Saturday, 11 January 2020 14:12 (ten months ago) link

X-post to J, I do know iLe, from Calle 13, and her musical interests seem broad.

I did find a Miguel Zenon Instagram post from Christmas morning where he posted a photo of albums - Bad Bunny x100pre and Fran Sinatra- Only the Lonely and said eclectic Christmas list this year and then described them as #1 albums 61 years apart both killers

curmudgeon, Saturday, 11 January 2020 15:40 (ten months ago) link

Unperson: waiting out front at Brandee now!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 11 January 2020 23:52 (ten months ago) link

Couldn’t get into Webster Hall because of something I forgot I had in my bag, so I’m at Subculture for The Cookers and so I don’t miss Nduduzo Makhathini down the block in an hour.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Sunday, 12 January 2020 00:06 (ten months ago) link

Ndusuzo is dope

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 12 January 2020 03:12 (ten months ago) link

Yeah, his set was fantastic. The Cookers were really good too - they had Ralph Peterson on drums instead of Billy Hart, and he was hitting hard.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Sunday, 12 January 2020 04:30 (ten months ago) link

Saw Uri Caine and a vocal choir do this at Zurcher; it was shockingly good... learned a lot too!

Caught Kat Edmonson doing her thing, which included a lovely, lilting samba-d out cover of 'just like heaven'

Theo Croker's set was very enjoyable but I think i like his band better when he's not playing!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 12 January 2020 06:21 (ten months ago) link

The late Jimmy Heath featured on WKCR-FM all day today.

We Jam von Economo (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 20 January 2020 14:23 (ten months ago) link

Okay, not quite. Only during the jazz shows

We Jam von Economo (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 20 January 2020 14:36 (ten months ago) link

NPR Jazz Critics poll by voter

curmudgeon, Monday, 20 January 2020 16:12 (ten months ago) link

Jimmy Heath, age 21

Paris Jazz Festival, May 1948

— Sonny Rollins Bridge (@RollinsBridge) January 19, 2020

he looks so young and suave in this pic from '48. RIP

calzino, Monday, 20 January 2020 20:53 (ten months ago) link

Webber/Morris Big Band album is really good (I know Webber has some big fans on this board)
like a distilled, crystalline mingus

sean gramophone, Wednesday, 22 January 2020 17:16 (ten months ago) link

Oh hey there was a Comet Is Coming Tiny Desk --

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 23 January 2020 17:07 (ten months ago) link


Vijay Iyer's going to be at the Jazz Standard next week, with Linda Oh on bass and Tyshawn Sorey on drums, and on Saturday 2/1, Wadada Leo Smith on trumpet. The trio has an album coming out later this year and will be premiering the new music.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Thursday, 23 January 2020 17:14 (ten months ago) link

This is a really good piece.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 14:38 (ten months ago) link


TS: Kirk/Spock vs. Marat/Sade (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 15:14 (ten months ago) link

Think about that kind of thing all the time.

TS: Kirk/Spock vs. Marat/Sade (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 15:27 (ten months ago) link

i really hated it but i'll only say that i really didn't appreciate the snide dismissals of george shearing and buddy rich

budo jeru, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 15:34 (ten months ago) link

Yeah that wasn't good imo. Sounds like his main beef is with hacky writers of tv & movies. He should try watching some movies about painters and see if the level of understanding gets any better or less cliched.

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 03:11 (ten months ago) link

Some good nominees there. I would like to see Ambrose Akinmusire take it. That album is really something.

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 21:54 (one week ago) link

Yeah, I really love that record, it's a balm. (See, unperson? Not negative or despairing at all).

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 16:33 (one week ago) link

My new Stereogum column is up. The Sonny Rollins set is really amazing - the vinyl will be out on Friday as an RSD thing, but the CD version won't be out until early December.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 16:44 (one week ago) link

ESP is reissuing ronnie boykins's 1975 LP:

budo jeru, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 17:01 (one week ago) link

I've never been one to enjoy much vocal jazz, but I'm really digging the Kurt Elling + Danilo Perez

handsome boy modelling software (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 17:54 (one week ago) link

And I'm reminded how much I like that Jon Baptiste Vanguard record, which has the rarely captured Cannonball Adderley Live at "The Club" vibe.

The Corea/McBride/Blade one is nice too.

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 22:01 (one week ago) link

I like the very dramatic and moody movie soundtrack qualities on the new Ingrid Laubrock album, quite unexpected but good.

calzino, Thursday, 26 November 2020 14:39 (six days ago) link

xp Bracing column, unperson. Amazing news all through, incl. Mayor Baraka of Newark! I think it was Nick Tosches who cited pre-Baraka LeRoi Jones as crucial inspiration-barsetter for the first rock critics, also for the best young jazz critics. He was certainly my gateway to jazz, which I otherwise found intimidating to read about, sitting in the high school band room, looking at my teacher's copies of Downbeat, which may have still been coming out biweekly? Seemed like an onslaught, with all those Bob Thiele Trane albums in particular, all the raves, and pontifications, and some push-back etc.---but Jones's "Scrapple From The Apple" cut right through it all, via concisely compelling imagery, crisply delivered data, straight-ahead declarations and sidewise, corkscrew rips-thus appealing to all aspects of the high school mind, incl. v. assholes who will never get it and don't want to and for inst the cafe potentate who refused to hire Cecil Taylor and was so pissed at those who did; also, when somebody else offered mea culpa (he was blind but now he sees the new thing), LJ sneers, "That's a noble confession and all)". Collected in Black Music (1968) with relatively longer, still concise show and album reviews, profiles (Roy Haynes sets him straight about earning success w/o selling out). Billie Holiday as "The Dark Lady of the Sonnets," and much else, all this ranged as deep and wide in an eyewitness to history/music nut experience sense as the one I got to later did as adventures in contextualization, Blues People (1963), well-covered here, in its 5oth Anniversary year:
Baraka wrote that Blues People was a "theoretical endeavor" that "proposes more questions than it will answer" about how descendants of enslaved Africans created a new American musical genre and turned "Negroes" into "African Americans" in the process. That message still resonates deeply with many scholars, including Ingrid Monson, a professor of African-American music at Harvard University and author of Freedom Sounds: Civil Rights Call Out to Jazz and Africa.

"I assign portions of this book in virtually every course I teach," Monson wrote in Blues People: Amiri Baraka As a Social Theorist, a speech she delivered in 2004, "to remind my students that cultural studies and critical race theory didn't begin in the academy, but in 20th-century African-American thought and intellectual practice from DuBois to Garvey, Locke, Ellington, Ellison and Baraka."
...Today's scholars might take issue with the exact nature of Baraka's argument. Ingrid Monson's paper points out the author's "tendency toward social determinism [that] is particularly obvious in Baraka's discussion of class — which, to me, is where his argument is most undermined by essentialism. Here, middle-classness is the ultimate marker of cultural inauthenticity, because the black middle class, according to Baraka, dedicated itself to assimilation."

But Monson offers praise for the book in general. "Blues People is a brilliant and path-breaking book, not because all of its factual information is correct, or because all of its interpretive perspectives are unassailable, but because of the sheer audacity, scope and originality of its interpretive perspective," she wrote.
The audacity could get out of hand later, but made him even more of an exciting performer.

dow, Thursday, 26 November 2020 18:58 (six days ago) link

i've been meaning to read "blues people" for some time now. going to get on that.

budo jeru, Friday, 27 November 2020 04:45 (five days ago) link

would love to hear ingrid monson elaborate on duke ellington's role in the development of critical race theory tbh !

budo jeru, Friday, 27 November 2020 04:48 (five days ago) link

I'm not familiar with Monson's work, but there is a chapter on 'The Literary Ellington' in Brent Hayes Edwards' wonderful book Epistrophies that could serve as a good springboard for that discussion.

handsome boy modelling software (bernard snowy), Friday, 27 November 2020 12:53 (five days ago) link

...okay now I'm reading the Edwards chapter and it doesn't say too much about race (at least not directly). Love hearing Ellington on Shakespeare, though – the trumpet in "Up and Down, Up and Down" reciting "Lord, what fools these mortals be!" is a nice touch.

handsome boy modelling software (bernard snowy), Friday, 27 November 2020 15:44 (five days ago) link

yes, and the trombone solo written in iambic pentameter on "sonnet for hank cinq" ! will have to track down the edwards book, thanks for the tip.

budo jeru, Friday, 27 November 2020 15:58 (five days ago) link

there is lot going on in this latest sprawling Ingrid Laubrock album, but it has some elusive quality that keeps bringing me back to it and it feels like a different experience every time I listen to it. Best one she's done yet I reckon.

calzino, Saturday, 28 November 2020 12:12 (four days ago) link

Great to read about the new Dave Douglas album in the Stereogum column. I bought 3 DD albums yesterday for $3 each through Bandcamp, as well as a Linda Oh album.

EvR, Saturday, 28 November 2020 17:06 (four days ago) link

Nduduzo Makhathini, who I've been raving about for a while now, released seven albums on his own before putting one out through Universal Music (Ikhambi, 2017) and another this year through Blue Note (Modes of Communication: Letters from the Underworlds). All of his self-released music is now up on Bandcamp.

I recommend Listening to the Ground, Mother Tongue, and Icilongo: the African Peace Suite as the best starting points (Shabaka Hutchings guests on Icilongo), but they're all worth hearing.

but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 29 November 2020 03:26 (three days ago) link

excellent I loved Ikhambi but haven’t heard anything else- that won’t last long

Left, Sunday, 29 November 2020 04:06 (three days ago) link

I'm not sure if this is the thread for general jazz questions I have been pondering...

To what extent are contemporary jazz musicians expected to be composers, or evaluated on their compositional skills?
Would a jazz artist or group who never writes their own material be regarded as a lightweight or novelty, as I suppose is still the case in rock?
Have the last 30 or 40 years of jazz produced any often covered jazz standards like Take Five, 'round Midnight, etc?
Is it unfair to judge recent jazz records by the fact that "none of the songs caught on" and became standards, as does one critic I have been reading?

Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 29 November 2020 17:33 (three days ago) link

I mean, people can judge records on any grounds they want but I'm not sure you're getting the point if you say that Ben Monder has failed since no one calls out "Echolalia" at jams.

actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Sunday, 29 November 2020 18:12 (three days ago) link

It's no "Wonderwall", that's for sure.

actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Sunday, 29 November 2020 18:21 (three days ago) link

Yes, unlike some itt I am nowhere near an expert, but that particular take (whither standards) strikes me as kind of anachronistic: that's just not as strong an element of jazz culture as it once was. Contemporary players don't tend to cover show tunes or film themes anymore either.

rob, Sunday, 29 November 2020 18:21 (three days ago) link

To what extent are contemporary jazz musicians expected to be composers, or evaluated on their compositional skills?
Depends on the scene or subgenre they're operating in. Kamasi Washington is not being judged by the same standards as Vijay Iyer, despite the fact that they both write their own material.

Would a jazz artist or group who never writes their own material be regarded as a lightweight or novelty, as I suppose is still the case in rock?
Such a thing is vanishingly rare these days; the first examples that come to mind are Broken Shadows and Roots Magic, both of which are explicitly repertory/tribute projects. But Broken Shadows is made up of guys who already have a strong reputation as composers (Tim Berne, two of the guys from the Bad Plus) so it's clearly seen as a fun side project, and judged as such.

Have the last 30 or 40 years of jazz produced any often covered jazz standards like Take Five, 'round Midnight, etc?
No, but that's because the market has changed. Those songs were not just performed by jazz groups; they were hit records that the general public, or at least a sizable swath of it, would recognize. That doesn't happen anymore. Jazz musicians do record each other's compositions sometimes, but as the scene has become smaller and smaller, it's become more and more important to make a name as a total creative artist who writes and performs one's own material.

Is it unfair to judge recent jazz records by the fact that "none of the songs caught on" and became standards, as does one critic I have been reading?

but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 29 November 2020 18:23 (three days ago) link

I think you can lament the fact that songs don't become standards anymore, but you can't hold it against individual records or musicians. That sounds kind of like criticizing jazz artists for the fact that jazz isn't popular--the cultural momentum is out of anyone's control.

jmm, Sunday, 29 November 2020 18:31 (three days ago) link

Rockit is a jazz standard!

the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Monday, 30 November 2020 00:13 (two days ago) link

A third volume in BBE's J-Jazz series will be released in February. I've already pre-ordered mine. (N.B.: The CD version has three more tracks than the vinyl.)

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 30 November 2020 14:37 (two days ago) link

I'd be curious what the most recent tunes getting played at jam sessions (and by college groups) were. I'm sure there are some.

Like when I was in school, some '90s tunes had definitely become modern standards (Kenny Garrett 'Sing a Song of Song', the theme from Mo' Betta Blues, etc). And aside from jazz artists recording each other's tunes on official releases, I think you'd have to look at the youtube culture of lesser-known jazz musicians doing covers, there's tons of that.

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 30 November 2020 16:06 (two days ago) link

I think quite a few Stevie Wonder tunes count as standards now. possibly a couple of later Ornette compositions. if Global Warming by Sonny Rollins isn't a standard yet it should be

there have been several attempts with Radiohead which I'd rather forget

Left, Monday, 30 November 2020 19:05 (two days ago) link

Yes, I was specifically thinking about standards written by jazz musicians, so the Ornette and Rollins might apply.

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 30 November 2020 20:48 (two days ago) link

Which Ornette are you thinking about? Are any of these tunes e.g. in the Real Book?

actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Monday, 30 November 2020 20:52 (two days ago) link

probably not. I’ve heard a few covers of 80s tunes like kathelin gray, feet music, latin genetics, song x, mob job (idk if some of those tunes are older) but probably not ubiquitous enough to be considered true standards, they should be though

Left, Monday, 30 November 2020 21:12 (two days ago) link

I feel like there have been a ton of versions of "Lonely Woman," but that's 60 years old.

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 30 November 2020 21:13 (two days ago) link

oh man this dolphy solo on “head shakin” though

Left, Monday, 30 November 2020 21:21 (two days ago) link

Smalls livestream is great right now.

Robert Gotopieces (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 November 2020 22:35 (two days ago) link

Man International Anthem is having such an incredible year. My copy of the new Exploding Star Orchestra showed up today and it is absolutely pushing so many buttons for me, I like the vibe so far.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 30 November 2020 22:41 (two days ago) link

steve potts holy grail being reissued on CD and LP:

budo jeru, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 01:37 (twenty hours ago) link

Checked out the Karuna Trio's (Adam Rudolph, Ralph M. Jones & Hamid Drake) Imaginary Archipelago after flipping through Ted Gioa's EOY list. It's a solid Codona impression, and more besides. Also belatedly caught up with Dan Weiss / Starebaby's latest, which drove home, in reverse, why I struggle with instrumental metal: the players are almost never as virtuosic and imaginative as they are here.

Hearing Hamid Drake again reminded me of how much I enjoy his playing. If anyone's heard it, how's Every Dog Has Its Day But It Doesn't Matter Because Fat Cat Is Getting Fatter (great title btw)?

pomenitul, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 02:27 (twenty hours ago) link

karuna trio sounds promising!

budo jeru, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 02:54 (nineteen hours ago) link

I've heard the Mat Walerian record. It's free jazz, but very meditative - he's big into Japanese philosophy and that kind of Zen-ness shows up in his work, but not in a kitschy way. All of his records are at least worth hearing.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 03:23 (nineteen hours ago) link

Sounds cool, thanks.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 03:28 (nineteen hours ago) link

Is that this?:

actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 03:30 (nineteen hours ago) link

Yep, that's the one.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 03:41 (eighteen hours ago) link

enoying that. did mat walerian write his own wikipedia page?

budo jeru, Wednesday, 2 December 2020 04:36 (eighteen hours ago) link

I liked the first piece a lot. Vibe reminded me a bit of Sonoluminescence Trio, which also includes William Parker.

actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 04:57 (seventeen hours ago) link

The Jazz Standard, one of NYC's best clubs, has closed. The last time I was there was at the end of January, to see Vijay Iyer, Linda May Han Oh, and Tyshawn Sorey; I wrote about it here.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 16:47 (five hours ago) link

Ugh. RIP. I had no use spent so much time at that place, no words.

Robert Gotopieces (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 16:56 (five hours ago) link

well fuck

the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 17:20 (five hours ago) link

on the other hand, Birdland is reopening?

the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 19:20 (three hours ago) link

Interesting. I watched a lot of those Sunday night virtual shows.

Robert Gotopieces (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 19:35 (three hours ago) link

Really enjoying the Okuden Quartet (Walerian/Shipp/Parker/Drake) record, thanks. Calm, spacious free jazz is the best free jazz.

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 21:27 (one hour ago) link

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