2019 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Nominees

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Here's the list:

Pat Benatar
Dave Matthews Band
Depeche Mode
The Doobie Brothers
Whitney Houston
Judas Priest
Kraftwerk
Motörhead
Nine Inch Nails
The Notorious B.I.G.
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
Todd Rundgren
Soundgarden
T. Rex
Thin Lizzy

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 12:32 (three months ago) link

I've already voted for Depeche Mode, Judas Priest, Kraftwerk and Nine Inch Nails in previous years, so I'll probably vote for all of them again, and then Motörhead, obviously. If I wind up not voting for any of those first four, my runners-up are the Doobie Brothers and Soundgarden.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 12:35 (three months ago) link

idk how you can have something called the rock and roll hall of fame and not include thin lizzy, t. rex, and judas priest

flopsy bird (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 13:27 (three months ago) link

Subjectively, Todd Rundgren, and, to a degree, T. Rex (though they make more sense in a British Rock and Roll HOF--they weren't nearly as iconic over here).

Objectively: probably Kraftwerk for sure, Rundgren, and I can see reasonable arguments--usually around either commercial success or influence--for Whitney Houston, Motorhead, and maybe even the Notorious B.I.G. (although he wasn't around very long). I'm not that big on Rufus/Chaka Khan, although most people think they should be in. At least one or two or three of those strike me as silly; no need saying which ones, because someone will take offense.

clemenza, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 13:29 (three months ago) link

One third of those nominees aren't even rock music.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 13:29 (three months ago) link

True of a few inductees (Leonard Cohen, James Taylor, etc.). I've always said it should more properly be named The Musical-Artists-Embraced-by-the-Rock-and-Roll-Audience (Whether or Not They Actually Play Rock and Roll) Hall of Fame. But that's too many words, and people will think Alanis Morissette was in charge of naming it.

clemenza, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 13:33 (three months ago) link

think it's now "rock" as in "rock & pop" as in "not classical or jazz" at this point.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 13:34 (three months ago) link

They’ve always included blues and R&B artists. Now they’re including rap.

flopsy bird (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 13:39 (three months ago) link

As I've said many times, they mean "rock 'n' roll" in the marketing-concept-meeting sense - "This new line of sneakers has that rock 'n' roll attitude our customer base has expressed a preference for in every survey." So rap, certain "edgy" country, electronic music within reason, Miles Davis, etc., etc.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 13:41 (three months ago) link

It was never callled the "Rock Hall of Fame" tbf. Based on the artists who were inducted in the first year, it's not at all clear to me that Judas Priest is a more obvious descendent of those than Whitney Houston or maybe even Notorious B.I.G. xps

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 13:45 (three months ago) link

As I've said many times, they mean "rock 'n' roll" in the marketing-concept-meeting sense - "This new line of sneakers has that rock 'n' roll attitude our customer base has expressed a preference for in every survey." So rap, certain "edgy" country, electronic music within reason, Miles Davis, etc., etc.
That's a pretty flimsy concept around which to base a "hall of fame".

Tuomas, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 13:51 (three months ago) link

They’ve always included blues and R&B artists. Now they’re including rap.
And electronic music, apparently.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 13:52 (three months ago) link

"The Postwar English-Language Popular Music Hall of Fame"?

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 13:53 (three months ago) link

Before we get into further discussions, can I just add that the rock & roll hall of fame was, is and always will be an irredeemably shit idea, and it should be bulldozed and never spoken of again?

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 13:54 (three months ago) link

Dave Matthews Band : Name Your Reasons Why They Are So Halled & Famed.

NEWS Giant penis frog didn’t have a giant penis after all (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 14:00 (three months ago) link

I don't know, I think they're less into honoring genocide denial than the Nobel committee.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 14:00 (three months ago) link

Dave Matthews Band is gonna sail in tbh.

Pauline Male (Eric H.), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 14:00 (three months ago) link

[xp] Yes but that won't stop me and others from being pissed when bands who deserve it are repeatedly rebuffed.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 14:01 (three months ago) link

I don't think you can define it in a way that would satisfy anyone, Tuomas. Madonna is not rock and roll for some, for others she's the very definition.

clemenza, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 14:01 (three months ago) link

Instead of announcing the nominees, they should just put out a press release that says, "We dipshittedly did not nominate Link Wray again this year."

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 14:03 (three months ago) link

Also, this may finally be Rufus's year.

Pauline Male (Eric H.), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 14:05 (three months ago) link

And electronic music, apparently.

― Tuomas, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 13:52 (twenty-five minutes ago) link

i'll believe it when i see an electronic act actually get in

flopsy bird (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 14:19 (three months ago) link

LOL @ DMB

I’m pretty catholic when it comes to RRHOF noms, but c’mon

drunk on hot toddies (morrisp), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 14:22 (three months ago) link

Missing from the list in the first post: the MC5, who were actually nominated (again) this year.

https://www.npr.org/2019/10/15/770246693/whitney-houston-notorious-b-i-g-among-16-nominees-for-rock-roll-hall-of-fame

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 15:30 (three months ago) link

I'm right on the fence with them both subjectively and objectively: love Back in the USA, not the other two albums; I think they're important on the punk timeline, but not as important as the Velvet Underground or the Stooges (or the New York Dolls, for that matter).

clemenza, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 15:51 (three months ago) link

If Bon Jovi, Journey, and Def Leppard are in, Pat Benatar should join them this year. People forget how many big hits she had in the 80s, and they still sound great.

kornrulez6969, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 16:24 (three months ago) link

Wtf is this shit.

Sam Weller, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 16:38 (three months ago) link

I'm right on the fence with them both subjectively and objectively: love Back in the USA, not the other two albums; I think they're important on the punk timeline, but not as important as the Velvet Underground or the Stooges (or the New York Dolls, for that matter).

― clemenza, Tuesday, October 15, 2019 11:51 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

I'm honestly surprised -- even given how long and how rapidly the crapulence of the HoF has been on the rise -- that the 5 didn't get in earlier. They're easily as influential and important as the Velvets and Stooges, and were a big influence on the Dolls (and the Stooges, for that matter).

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 17:32 (three months ago) link

I agree, the exclusion of the MC5 does seem really weird. They mostly sucked, but they were inarguably influential. (Just like the Velvet Underground!) I'd like to see Grand Funk Railroad get in before them, but that's never happening.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 17:41 (three months ago) link

I don't agree with the others but wouldn't put up too energetic an argument; the Velvet Underground, though, I don't think that's even close. You can't exactly quantify influence, but except for the Beatles and Dylan and James Brown, I'd say the VU stand alone.

clemenza, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 17:42 (three months ago) link

The desire for more genre inclusion may be laudable, even well-intentioned. But as time goes by, I suspect hof noms will increasingly mine the same fairly limited pool of old material until insignificance.

People keep making music, of course, but there is no way to magically cause more music to have been made in 1964 or 1978 or 1985. Music history is a deep well but it is not inexhaustible.

So I will darkly enjoy watching this thread deteriorate as ppl discuss the relative merits of Fastball and Tiffany and Third Eye Blind

Sayonara, capybara (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 17:55 (three months ago) link

Foo Fighters are eligible next year?

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 18:05 (three months ago) link

They seem to be doing a fairly good job of keeping up with the times, not sure why they'd confine themselves to old material?

drunk on hot toddies (morrisp), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 18:06 (three months ago) link

morrisp they don't confine themselves, no, but to me it looks like they try to pull something from Bucket A, something from Bucket B, something from Bucket C.

"O wait we need a neglected influential person who died in poverty and deserves long-overdue recognition"

"O wait we need a 70s metal act to make up for the years we snubbed metal"

"O wait we need an OG rap act to make up for the years we snubbed rap"

"O wait we need to recognize a disco diva to make up for rock's appalling history of misogyny and racism and homophobia"

"O wait we need a jam band or else we'll lose that audience segment"

"O wait we haven't gotten any synthpop in there yet"

Eventually it will all have to either (a) compress into only a very narrow range of eligibility, or (b) run out of good choices for every possible bucket.

Sayonara, capybara (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 18:15 (three months ago) link

I was very sad when the Doobie Brothers died in poverty. (I think your analysis is pretty accurate, YMP.)

clemenza, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 18:24 (three months ago) link

three months pass...

T. Rex! Didn't think anyone so purely British would get in (only four Top 100 singles in the States, only one Top 10)--good job.

(Nine Inch Nails and the Doobie Brothers--kind of ridiculous.)

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/nine-inch-nails-notorious-big-whitney-houston-rock-hall-of-fame-937737/?fbclid=IwAR29TD0nirK884REeAlrGbmuvUlC35XZzwusQo62g43-spq5Z-L0bPoZGIE

clemenza, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 13:43 (two weeks ago) link

Doobie Brothers give me a break

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 13:54 (two weeks ago) link

Pretty sure the HOF reasoned "If Soundgarden can't even beat Pavement in an ILM, we sure as hell can't let 'em in here."

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 13:54 (two weeks ago) link

*ILM poll

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 13:54 (two weeks ago) link

Nine Inch Nails making it over Kraftwerk is sort of incredible peak HoF cluelessness

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 14:00 (two weeks ago) link

better NIN than scraping even further down the 70s-80s barrel (the doobies at least have a couple of jams)

culture of mayordom (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 14:13 (two weeks ago) link

NIN totally deserve it, and them making it in before Kraftwerk, while wrong, is no worse than Depeche Mode doing the same this year.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 14:21 (two weeks ago) link

idk how you can have something called the rock and roll hall of fame and not include thin lizzy, t. rex, and judas priest

― flopsy bird (voodoo chili), Tuesday, October 15, 2019 8:27 AM (three months ago) bookmarkflaglink

1/3 ain't great, but ain;t bad

culture of mayordom (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 14:21 (two weeks ago) link

NIN totally deserve it, and them making it in before Kraftwerk, while wrong, is no worse than Depeche Mode doing the same this year.

Agree, also have a hard time getting worked up about the more famous band making it into a Hall of Fame.

One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 14:26 (two weeks ago) link

Doobie Brothers are more than deserving. Pete Townshend put it best...

“I’ll tell you who gets a good sound in the studio,” Pete Townshend of the Who once told a reporter, “The Doobie Brothers. Their songs seem to just pop out of the radio speakers and grab at you.”

Now they need to get Pat Benetar in. People do not remember just how many hits she had. Far more than Stevie Nicks.

kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 14:30 (two weeks ago) link

Still very surprised Motorhead aren't in - they're pretty much the definition of a rock & roll band.

Siegbran, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 14:42 (two weeks ago) link

(along with AC/DC and the Ramones)

Siegbran, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 14:43 (two weeks ago) link

xpost I think there was some pushback because she didn't write or play on any of those hits, and she is not that great of a singer.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 14:45 (two weeks ago) link

I'm sorry, what

totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 14:45 (two weeks ago) link

imo. I like her fine, but I don't think she's as distinctive as Joan Jett or Stevie Nicks, for example.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 14:48 (two weeks ago) link

Lol at the bullshit he wrote about Biggie

papa stank (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 18:07 (two weeks ago) link

it's amazing how full of shit he is, every time, no matter what he's writing about

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 18:08 (two weeks ago) link

Let's all agree that DMB not getting in rules and we should troll their fans

I would like to reiterate this excellent point

totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 18:10 (two weeks ago) link

He is unquestionably a heralded rapper from a certain time, but this has to be seen in the context of that time — which is that the music became highly commercialized and ever more crudely articulated psychotic tropes about sex and violence, and Smalls bought into it big-time. All sorts of arguments can be made in support of such material, although it should be noted that they change; they’re a joke one minute, real-life missives from the streets the next (and yes, I know Johnny Cash once shot a man in Reno just to watch him die). Of course, gangsta rap is a valid form and, again of course, Smalls is a master, but he’s still a guy who wrote an awful lot of songs about getting blow jobs from “bitches.”

omar little, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 18:11 (two weeks ago) link

... no one tell him what "Afternoon Delight" is about or what The Loving Spoonful are named after

totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 18:11 (two weeks ago) link

"how dare you talk crudely about sex, this is rock and roll" *puts on Little Richard* "ah yes, that's the stuff"

totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 18:13 (two weeks ago) link

This is the left-field choice for this year. Much beloved by fans of tough ’70s rock, the band is known in the U.S. for a couple of semi-novelty hits from the middle part of that decade: “Jailbreak” and “The Boys Are Back in Town,” the latter a pop-rock confection for the ages. Leader Phil Lynott, who played bass, also wrote a goofy thing called “The Cowboy Song,” which on a good night makes you think it might be the greatest rock song ever written. He produced some interesting stuff as a solo act after disbanding Thin Lizzy but died a few years later after becoming debilitated from heroin addiction. Like most critics, I like Lynott’s stuff and carefully collected his more obscure work back in the day, but now it feels like another pet act whose nomination was brokered by someone in the nomination room, like the Zombies’ last year, rather than part of an effort to capture the history of the music fairly. I don’t really think Thin Lizzy is Hall of Fame material.

this guy has never heard a Thin Lizzy song in his life has he

omar little, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 18:15 (two weeks ago) link

Eh, Thin Lizzy does nothing for me. I don't viscerally hate them the way I hate T. Rex, I just think they're massively overpraised.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 18:20 (two weeks ago) link

the album cuts and not the singles is where the greatness lies imo but i don't doubt you've dug deep.

omar little, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 18:22 (two weeks ago) link

Wait, viscerally hate T. Rex!?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 18:27 (two weeks ago) link

Xpost Whereas Bill Wyman... hasn't.

I love Lizzy

papa stank (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 18:27 (two weeks ago) link

Depeche Mode doesn’t have one

They have a song that became so popular it has a fucking line dance you choad.

Pete Swine Cave (Eliza D.), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 18:28 (two weeks ago) link

The irony of a metal guru hating T Rex!

papa stank (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 18:28 (two weeks ago) link

Veronica Moser suggested induction meant something tangible to the Doobie Brothers--I'm just trying to figure out what that is. VM also mentioned "bottom line," so I assume that means a financial advantage of some kind.

― clemenza, Wednesday, January 15, 2020 12:38 PM (forty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I mean, I suppose it's possible. I know that whenever I hear ads for shows by bands like Chicago or Journey, the fact that they're in the HoF is always mentioned.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 18:29 (two weeks ago) link

The hall seems to have given up on Rage Against the Machine following two nominations immediately after its eligibility, which was nuts. Tom Morello is a talented guitarist, but the band’s corner of the music world wasn’t all that interesting and felt like more of a niche than an innovation.

ok interesting train of thought

omar little, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 18:32 (two weeks ago) link

ftr I love Pat Benatar inordinately. Her songs still fucking move me in totally unironic ways. If, by some cosmic misunderstanding, I ran an institution that sought to honor kickass musical performers she would be in it. Near the top.

But I am a little o_O about why "had years of opera training" or "formal training" or "classically trained" should be among the ways we praise rock acts.

All the mousefuckers in Mannheim Steamroller are "classically trained" and their music still blows dead bears.

Maxims that I hope are uncontroversial:

1. You can be extremely well-trained and not rock.
2. You can be completely untutored and rock quite a bit.

Isn't this kinda central to "rock" as a cultural construct? The Pistols quite famously could not play their instrumentzzzzz blah blah blah I am already boring myself adskasljkqhgq3;oh

Yeets don't fail me now (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 18:37 (two weeks ago) link

Just found out that, while Carole King is in the HoF as a writer (a joint award with Gerry Goffin), she's not in as a performer.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 18:39 (two weeks ago) link

xpost who was using it to praise her music? the discussion was around the quality of her singing, not the music itself.

papa stank (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 18:40 (two weeks ago) link

I used to praise Chester Bennington's singing too and I hated Linkin Park and had he had a relevant background that was germane to the topic of his singing....i'd bring it up!

papa stank (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 18:41 (two weeks ago) link

After a few albums of insane folk rock under the name Tyrannosaurus Rex (one of the least appropriate rock names ever, given the music), he finally went electric, changed his band’s name to T. Rex, and ascended with a deranged rant called “Bang a Gong.”

not the worst offender in this piece, but christ this is some seriously bad writing. "insane"! "deranged"! in what universe does t. rex (who i love) sound like that?

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 18:47 (two weeks ago) link

Somehow very Trent to just casually mention this:

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/trent-reznor-rock-roll-hall-fame-937871/

It’ll be interesting to see who inducts you. Any idea who you want to see do that?

No. Like I said, this is still fresh information. And I just had a new baby over the weekend.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 18:55 (two weeks ago) link

Whitney Houston in before her cousin, Dionne Warwick.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 19:03 (two weeks ago) link

Someone much smarter than me can probably write a mathematical formula determining with some degree of accuracy at what point literally every act will be in the Rock Hall. Like, if x=y+ time divided by r, then Nickelback will be in by 2051 or something.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:59 AM

I may have mentioned this on another HOF thread--I do tend to repeat myself--but there's a few of them, and I'm too lazy to check.

I had an idea few years ago for a book, based on Bill James's Baseball HOF book, that would try to do exactly that--quantify who gets into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. That's what James's book tried to do; figure out how it was that the players who were in there got in, as opposed to arguing that x should be in but y shouldn't. He came up with an elaborate point system that very accurately set a benchmark for who was in and who wasn't: under 70 points was no, over 100 was yes, 70-100 was the gray area. (Not nearly so accurate for the PED era, which came later.)

The problem--partly why I abandoned the idea--is that you can only objectively quantify so much when it comes to music. Chart positions, record sales, and awards, yes. But when you try to do that with influence, fame, aesthetic worth, you can only be so objective. It's easy to say Chuck Berry and the Velvet Underground get 10 for influence, that Elvis gets 10 for fame, and that the Shoes get 10 for aesthetic worth...okay, change the Shoes to Bob Dylan. And that Europe get zeros for influence and aesthetic worth. (Fame, I don't know--I still remember them.) The gray area between, often very difficult.

clemenza, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 20:42 (two weeks ago) link

Europe gets 10 points for aerobics.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 21:03 (two weeks ago) link

I know you could make make an alternate Hall of Fame out of snubs that would rival the existing one BUT

The notion that neither Jane's Addiction or the Pixies aren't in while the likes of lameass contemporaries Pearl Jam, NIN, RHCP and Green Day (!) all are—is truly laughable

Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 22:18 (two weeks ago) link

I'ma go ahead and take Pearl Jam and NiN right back out of that pile, thank you.

papa stank (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 22:19 (two weeks ago) link

I get that Pearl Jam has to be in because "industry" but there are a bunch of industrial acts that predate and better NIN...but I know, hall of FAME

Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 22:23 (two weeks ago) link

even NiN doesn't identify as "industrial", unless you think Downward Spiral was the only album they released

papa stank (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 22:23 (two weeks ago) link

yeah, obviously they drew from that well even before and after then, but Reznor is a pop artist first and foremost and draws from a much larger well than just Jim Thirlwell

papa stank (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 22:24 (two weeks ago) link

The irony of a metal guru hating T Rex!

― papa stank (Neanderthal), Wednesday, January 15, 2020 12:28 PM (three hours ago)

i loled!

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 22:26 (two weeks ago) link

xp I just think back to that first Lollapalooza with a bunch of great bands—Siouxsie, Buttholes, Rollins (NiN too!) and how every night they all stuck around in the wings to watch Jane's just absolutely wipe the floor with them. Have they even been nominated?

Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 22:28 (two weeks ago) link

yes, and they've been a finalist as recently as two years ago

papa stank (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 22:30 (two weeks ago) link

I drove through Cleveland a few weeks ago w/ my daughters hoping to see the Zeppelin rig that was on display on the Met last year only to find that the vast majority of stuff from that exhibit didn't make it to Cleveland

When I asked why not this woman (also disapppointed) explained that while the building looks cool from the outside, making it a pyramid means the floors are too small to exhibit a lot of the things they'd like to :-/

Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 22:34 (two weeks ago) link

We did however get to make logos and stickers for our imaginary bands and take turns thumping away in a drum closet

Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 22:35 (two weeks ago) link

I love Jane’s Addiction for 2 albums (spread across three albums) but the idea that they are de facto better than the Banshees makes me lol really hard

Also, I’m a goth

totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 23:21 (two weeks ago) link

i would say nin had a much profounder impact on rock and pop music than jane's addiction but also that assumes that any such criterion exists for the rock hall, which it doesn't, so it doesn't matter

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 23:36 (two weeks ago) link

"Influence" is supposed to be one of the criteria...

stop creeping my instagram storiez (morrisp), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 23:45 (two weeks ago) link

"supposed to be" being the operative phrase there

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 23:46 (two weeks ago) link

xo I didn’t say they were better or more deserving than the Banshees!

For a few short years Jane’s were just devastating live, on that tour in particular. Just a really intense, strange energy that I’ve never seen matched on stage.

Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 23:46 (two weeks ago) link

I was curious about when exactly the RRHOF went off the rails (beyond “having a hall of fame for rock and roll”) and in YEAR 2, they managed to vote in Ricky Nelson before the Drifters or the Platters.

Why do we still have these arguments?

The Mandymoorian (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 23:46 (two weeks ago) link

^^^^^^^ otm

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 23:47 (two weeks ago) link

xo I didn’t say they were better or more deserving than the Banshees!

For a few short years Jane’s were just devastating live, on that tour in particular. Just a really intense, strange energy that I’ve never seen matched on stage.


That’s certainly true of the first minute of this

https://youtu.be/H9p5LZSBl94

The Mandymoorian (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 23:51 (two weeks ago) link

jesus christ

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 23:54 (two weeks ago) link

do we count Lollapalooza as part of Jane's influence? because then you could make a strong case they were as influential as any on the 90s...

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 23:56 (two weeks ago) link

How have the Banshees (and Joy Division, and The B-52's, and DOLLY f'in PARTON) NEVER even been nominated before ???

LeRooLeRoo, Thursday, 16 January 2020 01:24 (one week ago) link

How many Country artists are in though?

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 16 January 2020 04:47 (one week ago) link

Nine Inch Nails leaves me cold and I don’t care about this Hall of Fame, but I know this much:

In 2019, Reznor and Ross received songwriting and production credits for the number-one single "Old Town Road" by Lil Nas X, which sampled their track "34 Ghosts IV" from Ghosts I-IV.[274] "Old Town Road" broke the record for most consecutive weeks at number one on the Billboard Hot 100.[275] As producers for the song, Reznor and Ross garnered a CMA Award nomination for the 'Musical Event Of The Year' award, along with Lil Nas X, featured artist Billy Ray Cyrus and producer YoungKio.[276]


Influence? Relevance? Country? RRHOF killing several birds with one stone here!

breastcrawl, Thursday, 16 January 2020 10:57 (one week ago) link

goddamnit every year i remember Blue Oyster Cult isn't in, what a bunch of bullshit

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 16 January 2020 14:48 (one week ago) link

rt

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 16 January 2020 14:51 (one week ago) link


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