NOUGHT BUT THE TRUTH: 2000-2009 albums & tracks VOTING (and campaigning) thread DEADLINE OCTOBER 11

OK, I've submitted

let me know if yr magic can't parse my ballot, I took the lines from the txt version but trimmed the trailing spaces, hoping that works out the same as the Google sheets version in the end...

oh and thanks very much!

all good!

Blueberry Boat gunna win this isn't it :(

btw I relistened to EP this morning, it was awesome! Didn't relisten to Gallowsbird Bark, but I assume it retains its awesomeness. But fucksake, Blueberry fucken Boat is gunna win this whole fucken thing, isn't it

morning it is! may mumble's nightmares all come true

I am resigned to certain inevitable outcomes. But at least I got some folk to listen to Frightened Rabbit oh wait you never even did that didye? oh well, MCLUSKY DO DALLAS FTW my band in this decade was named BATFiNK! my wee brother played bass and insisted on that notation. My band circa like 2008ish-2016 was called The Ragdoll Physicists, better name but not as good as BATFiNK! point is I forget why this is the point but my current band is called I'VE GOT A KNIFE and yeah I'm drunk but I've got a lot to be drunk about

had completely forgotten about EP when doing all my 00s listening (it seems like its weird status means it gets relatively overlooked compared to the first two fiery furnaces albums?) but im listening to it for the first time now and its by far my favourite fiery furnaces release already. all the things i liked from blueberry boat without the annoying bits

all right i'm fuckin done

ok we're all done!

When's the first roll-out?

Tangmago Towers currently strategising visual presentation...

Some numbers while we wait:

In the TRACKS poll, 100 voters gave points to 1560 tracks by 1185 artists.
In the ALBUMS poll, 111 voters gave points to 1397 albums by 1259 artists.

Hats off to the 100 people who managed to put a ballot together for the tracks poll.

And to the esteemed pollrunners, of course.

Yep fair fucks to ye. Love LBI being straight I there with “when is it?!” cos I was wondering the same.

my phone has lost the power to use the internet, so it'll be 'while I'm at home' basically, which, tomorrow, means 'UK afternoon, and very late evening' - might post 10 either side of the jump. will def try to get it going tomorrow

do we still want remix votes as part of the numbers for songs? i'm a bit torn because remixes are functionally completely different listening experiences...on the other hand, people might have still voted for the originals. what do we think. NOT THAT THIS CHANGES TOO MUCH *taps nose*

Add them together I say, voted for some remixes where I could have just as easily voted for the original (heartbeats, forever more). Seems unfair to punish a track for having another excellent version of itself

i think the only version of “forever more” nominated was the remix. regardless i have no opinion about this, both approaches have their merits

one might argue that when a track is remixed, it is no longer itself. also a 'divorced' approach celebrates remixes as discrete entities, of which several are in the top 100 under their own steam! i've asked seandalai to send the version of the rundown with remixes separated and i'll make a decision based on what you all say here + my gut instinct...

no to combining remixes

Remixes separate imo

why wouldn't we combine remixes? we do during the EOY polls, and it gives a disadvantage to tracks that have a popular remix or more than one remix.

it doesn't sit entirely right with me

fyi the only changes would be cosmetic, except for one unlucky song lol, but do we not love drama here?

plead on, all sides

were that many remixes even in there? keep them separate imo

you cannot perform the same track twice but remixing is not the same as sampling, keeping the title is a choice to maintain the link the original, & it's ilx convention

Would you do the same with covers?

obviously not, but i appreciate there is a difference

anything that gives more votes to mr brightside should be nixed on principle

lol i was just jamming the thin white duke remix. anyway you're obviously wrong

Feel like if there was a rule re remixes vs originals it should have been made before voting. What’s the point of having two options in the nominations?

i never

i did make noises before voting began along the lines of 'this time i don't want to combine them' but nothing was finalised

hmmm!

covers don't usually function in the same way (never heard of a cover version included on a single) so I can't imagine it being an issue, but if there was a case where the cover version did come out immediately and was v much part of the same thing (a la mike flowers pops or frankee f u right back or whatever) and there was real split enthusiasm then sure, bundle them together. has anyone ever voted for an original and a remix? ofc no one thought you had to. splitting them serves no practical purpose other than making them less likely to show up.

i am happy to have another occasion to dunk on mr brightside

destiny is calling me

has anyone ever voted for an original and a remix?

Perhaps not but e.g. I didn't consider voting for "Everything in Its Right Place" bc the nominated track was a remix (that came out 9 years later than the original). The Aphex Twin remix of "Heroes" does work pretty differently from the original track. I can easily think of cover songs that are more faithful. It's not at all obvious to me that imago's original impulse was wrong.

the faithfulness of covers is not the issue. I think once a track is nominated you should be able to vote for whichever version you like and in the rollout the most popular version should be listed with a breakdown of votes for other versions. having the same song showing up twice would be stupid, in practice tho they're just less likely to appear

Covers are the same song but not the same track. Remixes are not necessarily either, although they do use recorded material from the original track.xp

I'm fine either way but I don't see why the rule should be changed at this point.

although I actually like "Mr. Brightside" so maybe we should combine them and give an extra vote to "Everything".

i think trying to carefully preserve the integrity of the ideal object doesn't acknowledge how music functions. all sound is queer. i want to specifically vote for a milli as played through my old desktop pc speakers

in the rollout the most popular version should be listed with a breakdown of votes for other versions.

Arghh I'm away for a congress in Edinburgh and will miss the roll-out then this week -_-

Will catch up and bombard thread afterwards.

have been sent the non-merging version. there are TWO casualties in fact. difficult decision and i have to make it now so tt has the right stats for the images...

If they are different then they are different

^^ truth

If you merge and show the breakdown then people can adjust in their heads if they feel it's an injustice? Harder to do it the other way round.

I think they should be r
counted separately, but the merge and show numbers approach is a good compromise.

OKAY

a decision has been reached, albeit a painful one

We will go by ILX convention and merge numbers

the pros very slightly outweigh the cons

believe me, I wanted to throw this convention in the trash as (having listened to one of the potential casualties) the remix was absolutely nothing like the original, but when it came down to it, the fact I hadn't specified beforehand that remixes would be counted separately was the clincher

we will hopefully begin rollouts tomorrow, with maybe even a few tonight if tt's ready...