NOUGHT BUT THE TRUTH: 2000-2009 albums & tracks VOTING (and campaigning) thread DEADLINE OCTOBER 11

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And so it has come to this: 1682 albums, 1884 tracks. Your job is to distil each of those into a mere 50, and present your findings to the committee, who will, after three weeks, reveal the ineluctable will of our particular gathering of musical superfans, with regard to the decade of its blessed creation.

There'll be house! There'll be rap! There'll be indie! There'll Beyoncé!

But how, how to vote? I hear you cry.

Well, noted committee member seandalai has very kindly contributed the following SUPERCHARGED version of his famed EOY template, now with added rocket boosters for top 5 placements!

VOTING FORM

A few things (most of which are reiterated in the form):

- COPY AND PASTE FROM THE ALBUMS AND TRACKS LISTS. Don't just type up your nominations from scratch. For example, you may THINK you're voting for Pink - Get The Party Started but you're NOT because it's actually P!nk - Get the Party Started with an exclamation mark and that will be the ONLY way to get your nomination NOTICED. Even if it's misspelt, you have to use the version from the spreadsheet.

- You can do a weighted, mixed, unweighted or 'missing' ballot. Not doing weighted or mixed misses out on the awesome super bonuses for top five placements, though, so, your choice, y'know.

- I'm working on finishing the Spotify playlists - the closer I get to the end, the further away it seems to recede! They're about three-quarters done as it stands.

Spotify albums playlist (I've picked what seems like a nice meaty track off each album as representative)

Spotify tracks playlist

- Non-Spotify tracks are being campaigned for here: NOUGHTIES/NOWTS/00s POLL CAMPAIGNING SIDE-THREAD: Youtube, Bandcamp & other links to YOUR nominations that AREN'T ON SPOTIFY

- The deadline is the night of October 11 but really it's when seandalai wakes up the next morning.

- Listen to as much as you can before voting! This comes by order* of THE COMMITTEE. Also, stay safe and have fun!

*not actually an order

imago, Friday, 20 September 2019 22:30 (one month ago) link

a huge undertaking. thank you imago

Dan S, Friday, 20 September 2019 23:32 (one month ago) link

and also seandalai and any others who make this possible

Dan S, Saturday, 21 September 2019 00:58 (four weeks ago) link

I love the idea of a supercharged version of the ballot

Dan S, Saturday, 21 September 2019 01:05 (four weeks ago) link

Would it be possible to post the nomination lists to Pastebin? A basic text file is easier for me to handle than a spreadsheet.

Tuomas, Sunday, 22 September 2019 19:22 (four weeks ago) link

^ yes, this!

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 22 September 2019 20:24 (four weeks ago) link

in addition to Sheena Ringo (who i wrote a little bit about here: Best albums (and tracks) of YOUR favourite albums (and tracks) of the ENTIRE NOUGHTIES: 2000-2009 Ballot Poll Nominations + Campaigning Thread) i wanna campaign for a few more things

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbiSxunJatM
Perfume's "Polyrhythm" is one of the most thrilling pop songs i've ever heard, its polyrhythmic breakdown never gets old. would be a wonderful pop song even without all the rhythmic tricks but those take it to an even higher level.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppSAGtNQcfY
Cymbals Eat Guitars's Why There Are Mountains is one of my favourite rock albums. reminiscent of the proggier/structurally weirder end of pavement etc. but still relentlessly catchy and with electric piano, vibraphone, organ and trumpet all over the place which softens the sound a little and certainly helps it to stand out from its 90s influences. easily the best thing to come out of that whole late 00s/early 10s wave of 90s revivalism.

ufo, Monday, 23 September 2019 03:08 (three weeks ago) link

thanks for doing this imago/seandalai! just spotted a typo in the albums list: Stars - Set Yourself Fire should be Stars - Set Yourself on Fire

got my albums down to a top 100 and I'm wiped out. Don't even know how I'm going to cut it in half - the 00s were a brutal time for me and a bunch of these records literally saved my life.

Roz, Monday, 23 September 2019 05:54 (three weeks ago) link

I noticed that in the track noms, Björk's name is written both as "Björk" and as "Bjork", without the umlaut. I have a habit of correcting missing umlauts, but if I vote for, say, "Pagan Poetry" as Björk and not as "Bjork", will it mess the voting automation?

Tuomas, Monday, 23 September 2019 06:23 (three weeks ago) link

It definitely risks the result not being noticed, especially if people have already voted for it in the 'wrong' spelling. Keep it as it is and if it places I'll make sure it's spelt properly in the rollout.

As for Pastebin, I'll see if the tracks and albums can be c&p'd into a Pastebin later (perhaps someone who's at home on a computer could also try this?)

imago, Monday, 23 September 2019 06:33 (three weeks ago) link

PASTEBIN LINKS

ALBUMS: https://pastebin.com/Wfah3xgN
TRACKS: https://pastebin.com/BwpjM95h

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 23 September 2019 07:37 (three weeks ago) link

Thanks!

Tuomas, Monday, 23 September 2019 08:05 (three weeks ago) link

Voted.

Tuomas, Monday, 23 September 2019 09:36 (three weeks ago) link

pastebin has long spaces at the end of each line, could these be removed as could cause problems?

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 23 September 2019 10:08 (three weeks ago) link

i'm absolutely loving revisiting all this 00s music, my estimation for the decade is going through the roof

ogmor, Monday, 23 September 2019 10:27 (three weeks ago) link

me too!

imago, Monday, 23 September 2019 10:46 (three weeks ago) link

i had it pegged as a strange and slightly shit prototype of the current time of wonder but there's a lot to love, even if the music is a bit more wide-eyed and gauche

imago, Monday, 23 September 2019 10:47 (three weeks ago) link

I was going through the nominations and I noticed this one:

"Cut Copy - Lights and Magic"

Shouldn't that be "Lights and Music"?

daavid, Monday, 23 September 2019 13:38 (three weeks ago) link

That's on the tracks list, BTW

daavid, Monday, 23 September 2019 13:39 (three weeks ago) link

If it places, they'll correct it in the rollout. This goes for any misspelled track or album. Take it from me, former EOY poll runner!

Johnny Fever, Monday, 23 September 2019 14:58 (three weeks ago) link

If people can't remember or look up the names of tracks and albums they love enough to nominate for a decade-wide poll, that's on them

imago, Monday, 23 September 2019 15:03 (three weeks ago) link

Still a few 2010 tracks in the list too but doubt they will place high enough for it to matter

nashwan, Monday, 23 September 2019 16:31 (three weeks ago) link

name names and I will weigh up zapping them

imago, Monday, 23 September 2019 16:48 (three weeks ago) link

Hot Chip - One Life Stand (Jan 2010 release)
Oni Ayhun - OAR004-A
Robyn - Dancing On My Own

nashwan, Monday, 23 September 2019 17:01 (three weeks ago) link

"The Kidnapper Bell" by Mono (from Japan), the best track that Mogwai never wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ouoQ_wAGOc

Doctor Hu (Leee), Monday, 23 September 2019 20:24 (three weeks ago) link

Campaign time!

If you like your black metal trve, black and nihil, nihil, nihil, like a delicious poisonous dish on the side, do check out Lurker of Chalice's 's/t' album. It is thee best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoMxDvkPZr8

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 23 September 2019 20:42 (three weeks ago) link

You should check this out, Pom and LJ.

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 23 September 2019 20:50 (three weeks ago) link

/algeriangoalkeeperstanning

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 23 September 2019 20:51 (three weeks ago) link

I feel like most of these are extremely obvious (at least to me), but just wanting to make sure people don't forget to vote for New Amerykah Part One (the album of the decade), Aaliyah (the album of the decade), Overpowered (the album of the decade), Complex Simplicity (the album of the decade), Blackout (the album of the decade), and, of course, Voodoo (the album of the decade)

monotony, Monday, 23 September 2019 23:12 (three weeks ago) link

anyway as you can see my list making is going extremely well and I'm not having any trouble at all putting things in order

monotony, Monday, 23 September 2019 23:12 (three weeks ago) link

Statues >>>> Overpowered though

ufo, Monday, 23 September 2019 23:17 (three weeks ago) link

not voting for any of those, see u in the results thread

sleeve, Monday, 23 September 2019 23:18 (three weeks ago) link

lol but blackout might make my ballot

Mordy, Monday, 23 September 2019 23:29 (three weeks ago) link

still not sure about the best songs, but the hands-down best song name: "Dress Sexy at My Funeral"

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 24 September 2019 01:07 (three weeks ago) link

ppl who don’t vote for aaliyah clown themselves

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 September 2019 02:06 (three weeks ago) link

I have my albums just about ready. Trying to cut my tracks list down is an actual nightmare.

kitchen person, Tuesday, 24 September 2019 05:25 (three weeks ago) link

tough deciding whether i'm going to vote for 4 black dice albums or 5 black dice albums

ogmor, Tuesday, 24 September 2019 11:21 (three weeks ago) link

You should check this out, Pom and LJ.

I will, thanks. It's been on my list of pending albums for a while now.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 24 September 2019 11:25 (three weeks ago) link

Will listen to that, but for now, let's keep this thread clutter-free (i.e. no Youtubes pls)

imago, Tuesday, 24 September 2019 14:16 (three weeks ago) link

lurker of chalice is the same dude as leviathan, he is a deeply fucked up person but that record is p good yeah

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 September 2019 17:02 (three weeks ago) link

Considering being a coward and sending unranked ballots

Simon H., Tuesday, 24 September 2019 17:12 (three weeks ago) link

I'm almost ready to submit, but Monotony has got me thinking that I might need room for that wonderful Teedra Moses album.

kitchen person, Tuesday, 24 September 2019 17:43 (three weeks ago) link

track campaign: Cortney Tidwell - Don't Let Stars Keep Us Tangled Up (Ewan Pearson's Objects In Space mix)

probably the greatest thing i've ever heard

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 September 2019 18:12 (three weeks ago) link

I sort of assumed everyone had heard that already? but yes extremely good

Simon H., Tuesday, 24 September 2019 18:24 (three weeks ago) link

i mean me too but i can’t assume anything on ilm

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 September 2019 18:24 (three weeks ago) link

Don't Let The Stars is one of the songs that I wasn't aware of until it place in the 2005-09 poll. It's gorgeous.

kitchen person, Tuesday, 24 September 2019 18:35 (three weeks ago) link

this is gonna be tough, i just hit 50 and i'm only at F alphabetically

ciderpress, Tuesday, 24 September 2019 19:05 (three weeks ago) link

Hot Chip - One Life Stand (Jan 2010 release)
Oni Ayhun - OAR004-A
Robyn - Dancing On My Own

― nashwan, Monday, September 23, 2019 5:01 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

all zapped

imago, Tuesday, 24 September 2019 19:08 (three weeks ago) link

One Life Stand was released digitally in November 2009, so please unzap it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Life_Stand_(song)

Dan Worsley, Tuesday, 24 September 2019 19:12 (three weeks ago) link

unzapped!

imago, Tuesday, 24 September 2019 19:14 (three weeks ago) link

Add them together I say, voted for some remixes where I could have just as easily voted for the original (heartbeats, forever more). Seems unfair to punish a track for having another excellent version of itself

or something, Sunday, 13 October 2019 13:55 (one week ago) link

i think the only version of “forever more” nominated was the remix. regardless i have no opinion about this, both approaches have their merits

american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 13 October 2019 13:56 (one week ago) link

one might argue that when a track is remixed, it is no longer itself. also a 'divorced' approach celebrates remixes as discrete entities, of which several are in the top 100 under their own steam! i've asked seandalai to send the version of the rundown with remixes separated and i'll make a decision based on what you all say here + my gut instinct...

imago, Sunday, 13 October 2019 13:59 (one week ago) link

no to combining remixes

Thus Spoke Darraghustra (Oor Neechy), Sunday, 13 October 2019 14:19 (one week ago) link

Remixes separate imo

nashwan, Sunday, 13 October 2019 14:22 (one week ago) link

why wouldn't we combine remixes? we do during the EOY polls, and it gives a disadvantage to tracks that have a popular remix or more than one remix.

flopsy bird (voodoo chili), Sunday, 13 October 2019 14:25 (one week ago) link

it doesn't sit entirely right with me

fyi the only changes would be cosmetic, except for one unlucky song lol, but do we not love drama here?

plead on, all sides

imago, Sunday, 13 October 2019 14:28 (one week ago) link

were that many remixes even in there? keep them separate imo

gyac, Sunday, 13 October 2019 14:30 (one week ago) link

you cannot perform the same track twice but remixing is not the same as sampling, keeping the title is a choice to maintain the link the original, & it's ilx convention

ogmor, Sunday, 13 October 2019 14:43 (one week ago) link

Would you do the same with covers?

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Sunday, 13 October 2019 14:45 (one week ago) link

obviously not, but i appreciate there is a difference

imago, Sunday, 13 October 2019 14:49 (one week ago) link

anything that gives more votes to mr brightside should be nixed on principle

blows with the wind donors (crüt), Sunday, 13 October 2019 14:55 (one week ago) link

lol i was just jamming the thin white duke remix. anyway you're obviously wrong

american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 13 October 2019 14:57 (one week ago) link

Feel like if there was a rule re remixes vs originals it should have been made before voting. What’s the point of having two options in the nominations?

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Sunday, 13 October 2019 14:58 (one week ago) link

i never

blows with the wind donors (crüt), Sunday, 13 October 2019 14:59 (one week ago) link

i did make noises before voting began along the lines of 'this time i don't want to combine them' but nothing was finalised

hmmm!

imago, Sunday, 13 October 2019 14:59 (one week ago) link

covers don't usually function in the same way (never heard of a cover version included on a single) so I can't imagine it being an issue, but if there was a case where the cover version did come out immediately and was v much part of the same thing (a la mike flowers pops or frankee f u right back or whatever) and there was real split enthusiasm then sure, bundle them together. has anyone ever voted for an original and a remix? ofc no one thought you had to. splitting them serves no practical purpose other than making them less likely to show up.

ogmor, Sunday, 13 October 2019 15:00 (one week ago) link

i am happy to have another occasion to dunk on mr brightside

ogmor, Sunday, 13 October 2019 15:00 (one week ago) link

destiny is calling me

flopsy bird (voodoo chili), Sunday, 13 October 2019 15:02 (one week ago) link

has anyone ever voted for an original and a remix?

Perhaps not but e.g. I didn't consider voting for "Everything in Its Right Place" bc the nominated track was a remix (that came out 9 years later than the original). The Aphex Twin remix of "Heroes" does work pretty differently from the original track. I can easily think of cover songs that are more faithful. It's not at all obvious to me that imago's original impulse was wrong.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Sunday, 13 October 2019 15:08 (one week ago) link

the faithfulness of covers is not the issue. I think once a track is nominated you should be able to vote for whichever version you like and in the rollout the most popular version should be listed with a breakdown of votes for other versions. having the same song showing up twice would be stupid, in practice tho they're just less likely to appear

ogmor, Sunday, 13 October 2019 15:12 (one week ago) link

Covers are the same song but not the same track. Remixes are not necessarily either, although they do use recorded material from the original track.xp

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Sunday, 13 October 2019 15:13 (one week ago) link

I'm fine either way but I don't see why the rule should be changed at this point.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Sunday, 13 October 2019 15:17 (one week ago) link

although I actually like "Mr. Brightside" so maybe we should combine them and give an extra vote to "Everything".

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Sunday, 13 October 2019 15:18 (one week ago) link

i think trying to carefully preserve the integrity of the ideal object doesn't acknowledge how music functions. all sound is queer. i want to specifically vote for a milli as played through my old desktop pc speakers

ogmor, Sunday, 13 October 2019 15:25 (one week ago) link

in the rollout the most popular version should be listed with a breakdown of votes for other versions.

i understand that the votes of the different versions would be consolidated. that seems a fair compromise then.

je est un autre, l'enfer c'est les autres (alex in mainhattan), Sunday, 13 October 2019 16:10 (one week ago) link

Arghh I'm away for a congress in Edinburgh and will miss the roll-out then this week -_-

Will catch up and bombard thread afterwards.

Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 13 October 2019 16:25 (one week ago) link

have been sent the non-merging version. there are TWO casualties in fact. difficult decision and i have to make it now so tt has the right stats for the images...

imago, Sunday, 13 October 2019 16:44 (one week ago) link

If they are different then they are different

saer, Sunday, 13 October 2019 16:46 (one week ago) link

^^ truth

Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 13 October 2019 16:47 (one week ago) link

If you merge and show the breakdown then people can adjust in their heads if they feel it's an injustice? Harder to do it the other way round.

Thank You (Fattekin Mice Elf Control Again) (Noel Emits), Sunday, 13 October 2019 16:48 (one week ago) link

I think they should be r
counted separately, but the merge and show numbers approach is a good compromise.

beard papa, Sunday, 13 October 2019 16:54 (one week ago) link

OKAY

a decision has been reached, albeit a painful one

We will go by ILX convention and merge numbers

the pros very slightly outweigh the cons

believe me, I wanted to throw this convention in the trash as (having listened to one of the potential casualties) the remix was absolutely nothing like the original, but when it came down to it, the fact I hadn't specified beforehand that remixes would be counted separately was the clincher

we will hopefully begin rollouts tomorrow, with maybe even a few tonight if tt's ready...

imago, Sunday, 13 October 2019 17:00 (one week ago) link

This is news to me. I hope you all like low image resolution

tangenttangent, Sunday, 13 October 2019 17:06 (one week ago) link

just like in the noughties!

britain's secret sauce (seandalai), Sunday, 13 October 2019 17:31 (one week ago) link

(never heard of a cover version included on a single)

I can immediately think of three examples

although I’m opposed to any Lu Contless version of Mr Brightside placing, merging and noting is the least damaging option given the lack of clarity. iirc the Friendly Fires version of Paris wasn’t nominated, so we’ll be spared that particular travesty of merging

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Sunday, 13 October 2019 17:42 (one week ago) link

i think trying to carefully preserve the integrity of the ideal object doesn't acknowledge how music functions. all sound is queer. i want to specifically vote for a milli as played through my old desktop pc speakers

I probably won't read an article with that title but it is possible to recognize the mutability and subjectivity of sonic experience (and to have taught remixing for a few years) and still think that remixes should be recognized as distinct pieces of work in their own right. No beef with imago's decision, though.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Sunday, 13 October 2019 17:55 (one week ago) link

The problem is knowing the names of things. We make our own prisons. In Greggs I say "one of those"

saer, Sunday, 13 October 2019 17:57 (one week ago) link

Would anyone object to us doing 10 tonight and 10 tomorrow?

imago, Sunday, 13 October 2019 18:04 (one week ago) link

Sounds great! Is it still going to be albums first?

jmm, Sunday, 13 October 2019 18:12 (one week ago) link

no

imago, Sunday, 13 October 2019 18:16 (one week ago) link

I didn't vote in this, just was not in touch enough with the broad spread of music in that decade, but super excited to see the results and learn!

Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 13 October 2019 18:18 (one week ago) link

Are We Having Fun Yet? ILM's Top 100 Tracks Of The 00's

imago, Sunday, 13 October 2019 18:50 (one week ago) link

top tracks of the '70s?

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Sunday, 13 October 2019 19:08 (one week ago) link

Still holding out for 20s

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 13 October 2019 19:16 (one week ago) link

This is news to me. I hope you all like low image resolution

― tangenttangent, Sunday, October 13, 2019 7:06 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Please tt don't hurt 'im!

Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 13 October 2019 19:19 (one week ago) link

Still holding out for 20s

Bill Griffith was born in 1944

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Sunday, 13 October 2019 19:25 (one week ago) link

Er, just clicked on the link now and saw that that article was written by an ilxor I respect and one of whose albums I voted for. Sorry about that:(. If it helps, I was feeling annoyed by the argument on here more than anything else.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Monday, 14 October 2019 03:10 (six days ago) link

Also can I be churlish and point out that 'The Magical World of the Strands' was relaased in 1998 and definitely doesn't count here?


My mistake, no idea how I didn't check. But won't matter in the overall results because no one else will vote for it.

lefal junglist platton (wtev), Monday, 14 October 2019 05:53 (six days ago) link

coulda ruled out Dead Prez for being first released in early '99 too

nashwan, Monday, 14 October 2019 07:57 (six days ago) link


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