Sault - What's the story?

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Album is here - https://soundcloud.com/saultglobal/sets/sault-5

Just from the first track I can detect traces of ESG, The Jellies, The Dixie Cups & Holland–Dozier–Holland era Motown if it had been produced by Norman Whitfield. The production is timeless but state of the art at the same time. Ace songwriting.

My inner cynic reckons with the smart low key underground anti-marketing it is going to end up that Sault are some long time music business insiders, the album will eventually get a full release on say XL with a massive marketing push and it'll end up being thee essential album of 2020. Or not. But whatever, it doesn't detract from it being a great record.

stirmonster, Monday, 16 September 2019 20:42 (ten months ago) link

I hate that the vinyl sold out like in a day and I was constantly checking if a release date was published. The whole willful obscurity of the project is frustrating but I guess it’s working. I heard Danger Mouse was involved but that might be fake.

Music wise I posted in the songs of summer 2019 thread that I absolutely love the combination of northern soul vocals + krautrock styled drums.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 16 September 2019 20:58 (ten months ago) link

i think vinyl is still available from here - https://www.sault.global/store/sault-5

stirmonster, Monday, 16 September 2019 21:00 (ten months ago) link

It's groovy, but I'm not really hearing the ace songwriting.

#YABASIC (morrisp), Monday, 16 September 2019 21:02 (ten months ago) link

i guess it comes down to what kind of song writing you dig?

stirmonster, Monday, 16 September 2019 21:04 (ten months ago) link

Xpost: Huh that’s weird last time I checked they were sold out! I guess they restocked, thank you for the heads up, already ordered.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 16 September 2019 21:07 (ten months ago) link

People on discogs were selling them for twice or thrice the price which I thought was ridiculous as a second print was surely around the corner.

I see two sellers still have it for 50 pounds.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 16 September 2019 21:11 (ten months ago) link

Oh I see there’s snippets of a new album called 7 on their instagram account and it also sounds great. Seriously who are behind this project? I can’t find anything on them only name I see attached is Dean Inflo Josiah which is also very obscure on info and... maybe an alias of another artist?

✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 16 September 2019 22:36 (ten months ago) link

i thought i read somewhere that 00s blog fav kid sister was involved?

just sayin, Monday, 16 September 2019 22:40 (ten months ago) link

There is another name attached too - Cleopatra Nikolic.

She has written for Little Simz.

I'm not on Instagram so didn't know about '7'. Curioser and curioser.

stirmonster, Monday, 16 September 2019 22:41 (ten months ago) link

Some of these new tracks sound very “Danger Mouse” I wouldn’t be surprised if he is in fact attached to this one. I see there’s a connection between this “Dean Inflo” mystery man and Danger Mouse on a Michael Kiwanuka album.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 16 September 2019 22:51 (ten months ago) link

I kinda like how this band is a mystery. Really cool album!

(•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 00:38 (ten months ago) link

This sounds great, thanks for the heads up.
allmusic has the following bio information: "A rhythm-forward heavy rock ensemble formed by members of American power metallers Kamelot and groove metal outfit Arcanium." LOL, that seems highy unlikely

willem, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 08:39 (ten months ago) link

It’s actually true! There’s another band called Sault who play metal. one of them might need to change their name eventually.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 15:02 (ten months ago) link

Never heard of them before this thread. Listened to a couple tracks so far - I like it but the ESG influence is PROMINENT. Also hearing Tom Tom Club as filtered though, I don’t know, something from the era of late 90s electronica’s-the-next-big-thing.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 16:40 (ten months ago) link

The song is the second single from Sault, a trio that features London-based musician Dean “Inflo” Josiah Cover (writer of DanDigs.com audio mainstays “Black Man in a White World” by Michael Kiwanuka, “House in LA” by Jungle, “Offence” by Little Simz, and many, many more). It’s released via Forever Living Originals, an independent label that counts Melisa Young among its cohort, better known as Chicago rapper Kid Sister (whose Kanye-featuring “Pro Nails” was a bonafide smash upon its release in 2011, as was the track’s magnificently massive Rusko remix).

https://www.google.com/amp/s/dandigs.com/2019/04/06/diggin-this-sault-dont-waste-my-time-forever-living-originals-dean-inflo-josiah-cover-melisa-young-kid-sister-we-are-the-sun-london-chicago-pro-nails-kanye-dan-digs-jungle-michael-kiwanuka-black-man-i/amp/

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 16:47 (ten months ago) link

Oh nevermind I see you already figured this much out.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 16:48 (ten months ago) link

I listened to and enjoyed the album but also thought that almost every song seemed geared for placement on a modern Southern Gothic HBO-type show. (N.B.: I am watching Sharp Objects at the moment which may have influenced this conclusion).

monotony, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 02:18 (ten months ago) link

new album already?

just sayin, Monday, 30 September 2019 05:24 (ten months ago) link

that should probably be 'new album already!'

just sayin, Monday, 30 September 2019 05:26 (ten months ago) link

7? Have I missed 6?

mmmm, Monday, 30 September 2019 10:08 (ten months ago) link

Haha I half wonder if they're just releasing individual discs from a huge boxset-sized debut album

7 is the one, I think (so far)--5 is pretty great debut for a 'sound' band--foregrounding those influences that seemingly nobody will ever tire of--but some of those songs on 7 really hit me deep in the soul

the cretin hits the cast (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 04:15 (ten months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Both albums are amazingly consistent, hard to really choose one over the other. Huge low-end throughout. I feel wrong saying it, but this is what I wish ESG sounded like.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 21 October 2019 23:12 (nine months ago) link

My copy of the 2nd one should arrive tomorrow. I'm perfectly happy with how ESG sound already and wouldn't change anything about their sound, but if their more recent recordings had sounded more like this I'd probably play them more.

stirmonster, Monday, 21 October 2019 23:44 (nine months ago) link

"why, why why" is an earworm and a half even on a first listen.

What a ridiculous clusterfuck of totally uncool jokers (jed_), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 00:02 (nine months ago) link

one month passes...

Damn totally missed the second release!

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 22 November 2019 19:28 (eight months ago) link

It's really good too, although I feel ever slightly more favorably toward 5.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 22 November 2019 19:37 (eight months ago) link

They're both pretty fucking amazing. Love the trend of bands popping out 2 albums this year

octobeard, Saturday, 23 November 2019 02:03 (eight months ago) link

Really enjoy the slight layer of polish distinguishing the second album from the first. Even more, I enjoy trying to figure out if it’s the songs as a whole or the brilliance of the rhythm section that’s the force of what’s captivating me.

file of unknown origin (bendy), Saturday, 23 November 2019 04:45 (eight months ago) link

For me it’s the brilliance of the rhythm section. They are amazing. Apparently there’s a tour planned next year so I guess we’ll finally meet the people behind it.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 23 November 2019 07:15 (eight months ago) link

yes, all about the rhythm section for me. is anybody else's copy of the second album warped?

stirmonster, Saturday, 23 November 2019 16:54 (eight months ago) link

Gradually, I'm growing to feel like this is ace songwriting, both wishing I could articulate why and knowing that I like it because I can't pin it down. It's Sly & Robbie, but it's also Sly and Robbie and Black Uhuru.

file of unknown origin (bendy), Sunday, 24 November 2019 13:52 (eight months ago) link

The grooves carry them on tracks that are less fleshed out, but there's definitely some standout songwriting too. "Why Why Why Why Why", "Masterpiece", and "Friends" leap to mind as A+ writing.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 24 November 2019 14:03 (eight months ago) link

Yes, the grooves are what drew me in to begin with but the songwriting is what elevates it into something very special. it will be very interesting to see how it works live.

stirmonster, Sunday, 24 November 2019 15:58 (eight months ago) link

two weeks pass...

I missed the previous discussion on this but gave it a listen after seeing it listed as Bandcamp’s second best album of the year. Rhythm section really shines.

I am using your worlds, Saturday, 14 December 2019 10:31 (seven months ago) link

Jesus Christ these records are so utterly, completely everything I want/need in new music. Even things I love wholeheartedly, it's incredibly rare to hear something where just every decision feels so exactly right.

This has to be related to Little Simz, no?

The only connection I really hear to ESG (whom I adore) is that it's so perfectly minimalist--there's never more than like three or four sound sources. I hear some Library tendencies, some high sophistication a la Adrian Younge/Midnight Hour or Michael Kiwanaku but with so much more restraint. If there's an Afrobeat component it feels more like Lijadu Sisters than Fela... I mean, they definitely get the "who does this call back to" synapses firing, but ultimately I really don't care too much because it's just so perfectly timeless--never retro or overtly futurist, just. . . what it needs to be to do what it's trying to do.

Soundslike, Monday, 23 December 2019 05:32 (seven months ago) link

If this is Danger Mouse related, it's by far the best thing he's ever been involved with. The restraint would seem uncharacteristic. . .

Soundslike, Monday, 23 December 2019 05:40 (seven months ago) link

If you're not hearing this group, you're missing something pretty damned wonderful:

https://saultglobal.bandcamp.com/

Soundslike, Wednesday, 1 January 2020 06:08 (seven months ago) link

^ you piqued my interest with those previous posts, so thanks! 7 is especially good, I quickly decided.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Wednesday, 1 January 2020 13:04 (seven months ago) link

i wish the "dancing in the rover" (?) voice from "up all night" would reappear elsewhere. that little refrain is my favorite part of 5 !

budo jeru, Saturday, 4 January 2020 19:31 (seven months ago) link

we're all voting for "up all night" as the song to represent sault at the 77 best tracks ILM 2019. i said it first that means you have to do it

budo jeru, Saturday, 4 January 2020 19:34 (seven months ago) link

Kind of wish "Don't Waste My Time" was nominated, but don't want to further dilute the choices.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 4 January 2020 20:06 (seven months ago) link

i love don’t waste my time! still haven’t heard the new album.

Fizzles, Saturday, 4 January 2020 20:11 (seven months ago) link

I'll go with that just to get them seen/heard--but I don't think I could pick fewer than 10 favorites across the two albums.

I'm pretty firmly sold on '7' as the better of the two albums, though both are top-5 of the year for me...

Soundslike, Saturday, 4 January 2020 20:19 (seven months ago) link

7 has grown on me but 5 is thee one i reckon. hard to choose between "don't waste my time" and "up all night".

stirmonster, Saturday, 4 January 2020 21:11 (seven months ago) link

I need to try 7 again, definitely dismissed it too quickly.

Good taste, bit Victorian but who isn't? (jed_), Saturday, 4 January 2020 21:28 (seven months ago) link

I can't figure getting one and not the other? They're hardly miles apart--tracks could be interchanged freely, other than '7' having a slightly more serious tone overall perhaps?

Soundslike, Saturday, 4 January 2020 21:45 (seven months ago) link

you're probably right tbh.

Good taste, bit Victorian but who isn't? (jed_), Saturday, 4 January 2020 22:02 (seven months ago) link

okay, there are songs on 5 that it sounds like had existed for many years but which I had only just heard (where has this been all my life?) whereas this one sounds more current and more like a straight RnB record at times (albeit a very good one). I was singing along with Up All Night, Why Why Why... and others after one listen (this is not always a good thing but is in this instance) but I struggle, so far, to have that connection on 7. 5 also sounds like a weird compilation of unheard tracks from various groups whereas 7 sounds like a record by a group (MAYBE) and that is not a negative, it just doesn't seem uncanny in the way 7 does.

Good taste, bit Victorian but who isn't? (jed_), Saturday, 4 January 2020 23:00 (seven months ago) link

I also want to add how much I love Sault as a band/project name.

Good taste, bit Victorian but who isn't? (jed_), Saturday, 4 January 2020 23:08 (seven months ago) link

i get why this is a double-album, and the interludes are good for some ambience and a few of them are really resonant. but it's a little frustrating that most/all of my favorite tracks show up on record #2 (incl. 'black,' 'eternal life,' 'monsters')

ACABincalifornia (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 22:10 (one month ago) link

It looks like the Bandcamp page was updated with CD releases for all three albums - available for pre-order now, shipping July 20.

ernestp, Thursday, 2 July 2020 01:01 (one month ago) link

Damn, already have those all digitally (and have bought them several times for other folks), and splurged on the vinyl for 'Untitled'... But CD is the format I actually actively buy, so probably going to have to plunk down the $63 it's going to cost to get all three shipped to the US...

Soundslike, Thursday, 2 July 2020 23:12 (one month ago) link

Friend just tipped me to the new one, which then sent me back to the earlier albums. Great stuff all around. Have not yet delved into the Cleo Sol album, obviously I should. The new one sits comfortably alongside Moses Boyd's album, both on my best-of-year shortlist.

So I've now been bingeing all the Sault albums and the Cleo Sol album for two weeks, and this is a pretty great body of work to all be churned out in under a year. Seems weird that it's still a little under the radar.

All their albums have been virtually ignored by US media. In the UK only the Guardian and Q magazine picked it up. I don’t know how getting your album reviewed works, is sending a copy enough? Is there payola involved?

Do you need to represent a big label to be considered at all? They would have slayed in scores, their sounnd ticks too many critics-darlings boxes. I don’t see how any of their albums would get a score lower than B-.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 21 July 2020 16:04 (two weeks ago) link

I managed to get a serious metalhead excited about their new one.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 21 July 2020 16:58 (two weeks ago) link

I don’t know how getting your album reviewed works

As far as I know (which isn't very far), you need some way to get editorial/writers to actually notice your email promo from the millions they receive. Maybe that's because they've already heard of you or something catches their eye, but more likely because it's coming from a PR or label person that they know and trust (or who sends promos for other notable artists, and who they want to keep having a good relationship with).

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 21 July 2020 17:25 (two weeks ago) link

As topical as it is, I think the new one would get a lot more attention in the States if it was by an American artist.

But some kind of breakthrough feels sort of inevitable. They're too good to ignore.

Xpost: I mean Inflo is connected, he’s not an artist that gets lost in your spam... if he really wanted their albums to be reviewed by Pitchfork or Rolling Stone, he has worked and probably has the direct contact number of artists like Michael Kiwanuka, Danger Mouse, Belle & Sebastian, Little Simz, The Kooks, Portugal the Man, Jungle... I don’t think knocking on Pitchfork’s or RS’s doors and getting someone to answer is the problem here. Maybe it is, idk.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 00:16 (two weeks ago) link

or maybe it's the new iteration of punk rock and the "major players" can fuck off?

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 00:19 (two weeks ago) link

also, yeah: the new one kicks fucking ass. wish i had the money to just buy the discography.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 00:40 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah I think the albums being “obscure” and not giving a fuck if they get picked and reviewed is a very deliberate choice.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 01:09 (two weeks ago) link

They’re doing ok on spotify for an act with virtually no media exposure. Most of their top songs are almost on the 2M plays.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 01:11 (two weeks ago) link

fuck, i've been listening on bandcamp like the plebe-y purist scum that i am. i will

also, like the cheesy cornball doofus i am, i have to say that 'eternal life' is my fav track on the new one. just something so pure bout it. f`kin rad.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 01:17 (two weeks ago) link

*i will start listening on spotify

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 01:19 (two weeks ago) link

Hahaha it doesn’t matter where you listen to them, I doubt they get any real benefit out of their Spotify plays. I was just pointing out that there’s a real fanbase developing in there.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 01:23 (two weeks ago) link

bandcamp doesn't pay artists for streams, whereas plays on spotify *do* generate (very little) residuals. and spotify does have "charts" of sorts that help get the word out. and i like the music a lot anyway, so may as well listen on the platform that generates something for them.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 01:28 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah 500k Spotify listeners a month is a shitload and way more than bands “in the machine” with publicists desperately trying to get Stereogum to premiere their blog single or whatever.

I think their attitude is obviously punk and pretty admirable and part of the draw. No information about the band. No press. No label. Nothing.

SA, Wednesday, 22 July 2020 01:29 (two weeks ago) link

and yes, because of all that, i kind feel obligated to listen on the platform that contributes, as i don't have the money to buy the physical media at this point.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 01:31 (two weeks ago) link

sorry spamming this thread this afternoon, BUT—

their discogs (confusingly) specifies only one person under group members: kid sister —— what!?

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 01:35 (two weeks ago) link

From what I read somewhere (Allmusic?) Kid Sister isn't even on 7, or not much. Cover and Cleo Sol cowrote everything on Cleo's album, so that album sort of IS a Sault album I guess? Hard to say. It's clearly all of a piece or on a continuum.

I finally heard my first Sault song in the wild, I suppose: a pool party that one of the guests was DJing. Hope this trend continues!

Vinnie, Wednesday, 22 July 2020 04:07 (two weeks ago) link

The albums are *very* affordable on Bandcamp digitally--something like £7, £7, name your price, very very worth it... Very spendy on vinyl/CD, but even there I copped, as these albums have more continuously and consistently brought be joy than basically anything since I got into Arthur Russell 20 years ago.

Soundslike, Wednesday, 22 July 2020 04:12 (two weeks ago) link

Also, the new one appears to have sold 5k+ copies on Bandcamp, which seems pretty remarkable for an almost-zero-promotion "mystery" band.

Soundslike, Wednesday, 22 July 2020 04:13 (two weeks ago) link

“don’t waste my time” was on an episode of YOU last season

maura, Thursday, 23 July 2020 12:51 (two weeks ago) link

if i had a staff slot somewhere i would have written about 5, 7, and this one upon release... as it is i included 5 and 7 in my top 10 last year. cutting staff jobs and farming new music discovery out to freelancers has had a pretty terrible effect on what gets covered!

maura, Thursday, 23 July 2020 12:55 (two weeks ago) link

the radio station I just got hired for has the album in heavy rotation fwiw. I need to go back and check their first two releases tho

Get Me Bodied (Extended Mix), Thursday, 23 July 2020 23:43 (two weeks ago) link

both this and the Keiyaa album feel very post-When I Get Home to me

Get Me Bodied (Extended Mix), Thursday, 23 July 2020 23:44 (two weeks ago) link

I still like the first 2 better, but have been listening to all 3 plus Cleo Sol a whole lot the past few days.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 23 July 2020 23:54 (two weeks ago) link

Paste wrote something extensive. It's categorized as a feature, not a review (and thus doesn't come up as part of their "review" section). But it says "review" in the URL.

It is by a staffer, not a freelancer:

https://www.pastemagazine.com/music/sault/sault-untitled-black-is-review/

Not vouching for the piece (haven't read it), just documenting some American press.

alpine static, Friday, 24 July 2020 00:16 (two weeks ago) link

that's great!

Gerneten-flüken cake (jed_), Friday, 24 July 2020 02:44 (two weeks ago) link

fwiw the link showed up dead for me so I had to google it and googled link, which workd, shows exactly the same url you posted. Very strange.

Gerneten-flüken cake (jed_), Friday, 24 July 2020 02:46 (two weeks ago) link

The final slash seems to not be a part of the link in the url posted here, and appears to make all the difference.

anatol_merklich, Friday, 24 July 2020 07:17 (two weeks ago) link

my bad, hopefully this works:

https://www.pastemagazine.com/music/sault/sault-untitled-black-is-review

alpine static, Friday, 24 July 2020 07:30 (two weeks ago) link

dammit!

alpine static, Friday, 24 July 2020 07:30 (two weeks ago) link

this album is so so so great. i'm hearing parallels with D'Angelo's Black Messiah in some ways, not just because of the subject matter but in the way it's loose, formless, but also extremely confident, like an expert collage.

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Friday, 24 July 2020 10:01 (two weeks ago) link

damn I just realized my post is the only measure of Keiyaa on ILM. This is in a similar vain as the new Sault but better imo: https://keiyaa.bandcamp.com/

Get Me Bodied (Extended Mix), Saturday, 25 July 2020 01:36 (two weeks ago) link

It's so good!

maura, Saturday, 25 July 2020 02:06 (two weeks ago) link

andy k did an amg review: https://www.allmusic.com/album/untitled-black-is-mw0003397217

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Thursday, 30 July 2020 04:07 (one week ago) link

This band tick so many of my boxes that it's shocking I haven't really dived too deep into their three albums. I've decided I need to buy one of them on vinyl. Which should I get?

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Thursday, 30 July 2020 09:34 (one week ago) link

Start with '5' and '7' then also 'Untitled'.

Seriously though, it's all amazing. '7' is my personal fave.

Soundslike, Thursday, 30 July 2020 13:20 (one week ago) link

OK, had not listened to Kiwanuka until I knew of the link, but it's lovely.

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Friday, 31 July 2020 06:37 (one week ago) link

I haven't listened to 'Untitled' yet but '7' is all-time imo

weekly shopper helper (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 31 July 2020 08:10 (one week ago) link

It has to have been said, but in addition to Sault x2 + Kiwanuka, Inflo's magic is deep in Kittle Simz 'Grey Area'. Dude made 4 of my 5 top 5 records in 2019...

Soundslike, Friday, 31 July 2020 21:48 (one week ago) link

I should listen to Little Simz album then!

Gerneten-flüken cake (jed_), Friday, 31 July 2020 22:30 (one week ago) link

This Little Simz album is great.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Saturday, 1 August 2020 20:56 (one week ago) link

I pretty much endorse any project that Inflo has been attached to. He’s a brilliant musician and producer.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 1 August 2020 22:09 (one week ago) link

And yes that includes a Kooks album!

✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 1 August 2020 22:11 (one week ago) link


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