Sault - What's the story?

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Album is here -

Just from the first track I can detect traces of ESG, The Jellies, The Dixie Cups & Holland–Dozier–Holland era Motown if it had been produced by Norman Whitfield. The production is timeless but state of the art at the same time. Ace songwriting.

My inner cynic reckons with the smart low key underground anti-marketing it is going to end up that Sault are some long time music business insiders, the album will eventually get a full release on say XL with a massive marketing push and it'll end up being thee essential album of 2020. Or not. But whatever, it doesn't detract from it being a great record.

stirmonster, Monday, 16 September 2019 20:42 (two years ago) link

I hate that the vinyl sold out like in a day and I was constantly checking if a release date was published. The whole willful obscurity of the project is frustrating but I guess it’s working. I heard Danger Mouse was involved but that might be fake.

Music wise I posted in the songs of summer 2019 thread that I absolutely love the combination of northern soul vocals + krautrock styled drums.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 16 September 2019 20:58 (two years ago) link

i think vinyl is still available from here -

stirmonster, Monday, 16 September 2019 21:00 (two years ago) link

It's groovy, but I'm not really hearing the ace songwriting.

#YABASIC (morrisp), Monday, 16 September 2019 21:02 (two years ago) link

i guess it comes down to what kind of song writing you dig?

stirmonster, Monday, 16 September 2019 21:04 (two years ago) link

Xpost: Huh that’s weird last time I checked they were sold out! I guess they restocked, thank you for the heads up, already ordered.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 16 September 2019 21:07 (two years ago) link

People on discogs were selling them for twice or thrice the price which I thought was ridiculous as a second print was surely around the corner.

I see two sellers still have it for 50 pounds.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 16 September 2019 21:11 (two years ago) link

Oh I see there’s snippets of a new album called 7 on their instagram account and it also sounds great. Seriously who are behind this project? I can’t find anything on them only name I see attached is Dean Inflo Josiah which is also very obscure on info and... maybe an alias of another artist?

✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 16 September 2019 22:36 (two years ago) link

i thought i read somewhere that 00s blog fav kid sister was involved?

just sayin, Monday, 16 September 2019 22:40 (two years ago) link

There is another name attached too - Cleopatra Nikolic.

She has written for Little Simz.

I'm not on Instagram so didn't know about '7'. Curioser and curioser.

stirmonster, Monday, 16 September 2019 22:41 (two years ago) link

Some of these new tracks sound very “Danger Mouse” I wouldn’t be surprised if he is in fact attached to this one. I see there’s a connection between this “Dean Inflo” mystery man and Danger Mouse on a Michael Kiwanuka album.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 16 September 2019 22:51 (two years ago) link

I kinda like how this band is a mystery. Really cool album!

(•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 00:38 (two years ago) link

This sounds great, thanks for the heads up.
allmusic has the following bio information: "A rhythm-forward heavy rock ensemble formed by members of American power metallers Kamelot and groove metal outfit Arcanium." LOL, that seems highy unlikely

willem, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 08:39 (two years ago) link

It’s actually true! There’s another band called Sault who play metal. one of them might need to change their name eventually.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 15:02 (two years ago) link

Never heard of them before this thread. Listened to a couple tracks so far - I like it but the ESG influence is PROMINENT. Also hearing Tom Tom Club as filtered though, I don’t know, something from the era of late 90s electronica’s-the-next-big-thing.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 16:40 (two years ago) link

The song is the second single from Sault, a trio that features London-based musician Dean “Inflo” Josiah Cover (writer of audio mainstays “Black Man in a White World” by Michael Kiwanuka, “House in LA” by Jungle, “Offence” by Little Simz, and many, many more). It’s released via Forever Living Originals, an independent label that counts Melisa Young among its cohort, better known as Chicago rapper Kid Sister (whose Kanye-featuring “Pro Nails” was a bonafide smash upon its release in 2011, as was the track’s magnificently massive Rusko remix).

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 16:47 (two years ago) link

Oh nevermind I see you already figured this much out.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 16:48 (two years ago) link

I listened to and enjoyed the album but also thought that almost every song seemed geared for placement on a modern Southern Gothic HBO-type show. (N.B.: I am watching Sharp Objects at the moment which may have influenced this conclusion).

monotony, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 02:18 (two years ago) link

new album already?

just sayin, Monday, 30 September 2019 05:24 (two years ago) link

that should probably be 'new album already!'

just sayin, Monday, 30 September 2019 05:26 (two years ago) link

7? Have I missed 6?

mmmm, Monday, 30 September 2019 10:08 (two years ago) link

Haha I half wonder if they're just releasing individual discs from a huge boxset-sized debut album

7 is the one, I think (so far)--5 is pretty great debut for a 'sound' band--foregrounding those influences that seemingly nobody will ever tire of--but some of those songs on 7 really hit me deep in the soul

the cretin hits the cast (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 04:15 (two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Both albums are amazingly consistent, hard to really choose one over the other. Huge low-end throughout. I feel wrong saying it, but this is what I wish ESG sounded like.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 21 October 2019 23:12 (two years ago) link

My copy of the 2nd one should arrive tomorrow. I'm perfectly happy with how ESG sound already and wouldn't change anything about their sound, but if their more recent recordings had sounded more like this I'd probably play them more.

stirmonster, Monday, 21 October 2019 23:44 (two years ago) link

"why, why why" is an earworm and a half even on a first listen.

What a ridiculous clusterfuck of totally uncool jokers (jed_), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 00:02 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

Damn totally missed the second release!

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 22 November 2019 19:28 (two years ago) link

It's really good too, although I feel ever slightly more favorably toward 5.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 22 November 2019 19:37 (two years ago) link

They're both pretty fucking amazing. Love the trend of bands popping out 2 albums this year

octobeard, Saturday, 23 November 2019 02:03 (two years ago) link

Really enjoy the slight layer of polish distinguishing the second album from the first. Even more, I enjoy trying to figure out if it’s the songs as a whole or the brilliance of the rhythm section that’s the force of what’s captivating me.

file of unknown origin (bendy), Saturday, 23 November 2019 04:45 (two years ago) link

For me it’s the brilliance of the rhythm section. They are amazing. Apparently there’s a tour planned next year so I guess we’ll finally meet the people behind it.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 23 November 2019 07:15 (two years ago) link

yes, all about the rhythm section for me. is anybody else's copy of the second album warped?

stirmonster, Saturday, 23 November 2019 16:54 (two years ago) link

Gradually, I'm growing to feel like this is ace songwriting, both wishing I could articulate why and knowing that I like it because I can't pin it down. It's Sly & Robbie, but it's also Sly and Robbie and Black Uhuru.

file of unknown origin (bendy), Sunday, 24 November 2019 13:52 (two years ago) link

The grooves carry them on tracks that are less fleshed out, but there's definitely some standout songwriting too. "Why Why Why Why Why", "Masterpiece", and "Friends" leap to mind as A+ writing.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 24 November 2019 14:03 (two years ago) link

Yes, the grooves are what drew me in to begin with but the songwriting is what elevates it into something very special. it will be very interesting to see how it works live.

stirmonster, Sunday, 24 November 2019 15:58 (two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

I missed the previous discussion on this but gave it a listen after seeing it listed as Bandcamp’s second best album of the year. Rhythm section really shines.

I am using your worlds, Saturday, 14 December 2019 10:31 (one year ago) link

Jesus Christ these records are so utterly, completely everything I want/need in new music. Even things I love wholeheartedly, it's incredibly rare to hear something where just every decision feels so exactly right.

This has to be related to Little Simz, no?

The only connection I really hear to ESG (whom I adore) is that it's so perfectly minimalist--there's never more than like three or four sound sources. I hear some Library tendencies, some high sophistication a la Adrian Younge/Midnight Hour or Michael Kiwanaku but with so much more restraint. If there's an Afrobeat component it feels more like Lijadu Sisters than Fela... I mean, they definitely get the "who does this call back to" synapses firing, but ultimately I really don't care too much because it's just so perfectly timeless--never retro or overtly futurist, just. . . what it needs to be to do what it's trying to do.

Soundslike, Monday, 23 December 2019 05:32 (one year ago) link

If this is Danger Mouse related, it's by far the best thing he's ever been involved with. The restraint would seem uncharacteristic. . .

Soundslike, Monday, 23 December 2019 05:40 (one year ago) link

If you're not hearing this group, you're missing something pretty damned wonderful:

Soundslike, Wednesday, 1 January 2020 06:08 (one year ago) link

^ you piqued my interest with those previous posts, so thanks! 7 is especially good, I quickly decided.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Wednesday, 1 January 2020 13:04 (one year ago) link

i wish the "dancing in the rover" (?) voice from "up all night" would reappear elsewhere. that little refrain is my favorite part of 5 !

budo jeru, Saturday, 4 January 2020 19:31 (one year ago) link

we're all voting for "up all night" as the song to represent sault at the 77 best tracks ILM 2019. i said it first that means you have to do it

budo jeru, Saturday, 4 January 2020 19:34 (one year ago) link

Kind of wish "Don't Waste My Time" was nominated, but don't want to further dilute the choices.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 4 January 2020 20:06 (one year ago) link

i love don’t waste my time! still haven’t heard the new album.

Fizzles, Saturday, 4 January 2020 20:11 (one year ago) link

I'll go with that just to get them seen/heard--but I don't think I could pick fewer than 10 favorites across the two albums.

I'm pretty firmly sold on '7' as the better of the two albums, though both are top-5 of the year for me...

Soundslike, Saturday, 4 January 2020 20:19 (one year ago) link

7 has grown on me but 5 is thee one i reckon. hard to choose between "don't waste my time" and "up all night".

stirmonster, Saturday, 4 January 2020 21:11 (one year ago) link

I need to try 7 again, definitely dismissed it too quickly.

Good taste, bit Victorian but who isn't? (jed_), Saturday, 4 January 2020 21:28 (one year ago) link

I can't figure getting one and not the other? They're hardly miles apart--tracks could be interchanged freely, other than '7' having a slightly more serious tone overall perhaps?

Soundslike, Saturday, 4 January 2020 21:45 (one year ago) link

you're probably right tbh.

Good taste, bit Victorian but who isn't? (jed_), Saturday, 4 January 2020 22:02 (one year ago) link

okay, there are songs on 5 that it sounds like had existed for many years but which I had only just heard (where has this been all my life?) whereas this one sounds more current and more like a straight RnB record at times (albeit a very good one). I was singing along with Up All Night, Why Why Why... and others after one listen (this is not always a good thing but is in this instance) but I struggle, so far, to have that connection on 7. 5 also sounds like a weird compilation of unheard tracks from various groups whereas 7 sounds like a record by a group (MAYBE) and that is not a negative, it just doesn't seem uncanny in the way 7 does.

Good taste, bit Victorian but who isn't? (jed_), Saturday, 4 January 2020 23:00 (one year ago) link

I also want to add how much I love Sault as a band/project name.

Good taste, bit Victorian but who isn't? (jed_), Saturday, 4 January 2020 23:08 (one year ago) link

it's mellow but never boring, it's so beautiful & constantly surprising with interesting turns. i wouldn't cut anything either, the length feels generous rather than bloated.

ufo, Saturday, 21 August 2021 22:52 (three months ago) link

So, a couple of listens in, I feel it's an album that will grow on me. My first impressions are that the emotional, self help lyrical content is a little underwhelming compared to 'roses in the dark' and feels a bit like treading old ground. The production lacks an edge of funk too that I feel the other album had, the retro organic instrument palette can be samey, as nice as it is. It think she has rejected more mainstream r'n'b production styles for a long while ago (you get the sense that she's got burnt trying to navigate the industry), but I'd kinda like her to try some more up tempo stuff again ( I first came across her with this poppy dance r'n'b track and would like to see her add some faster funkier favours to another release.

Cleo sol - never the right time

Swanswans, Sunday, 22 August 2021 10:32 (three months ago) link

boy am i glad that she linked up with inflo. that was embarrassing.

things repeat forever and there never is a remedy (Austin), Sunday, 22 August 2021 15:55 (three months ago) link

DaVinChe sounding like a duplo Richcraft there

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Sunday, 22 August 2021 16:16 (three months ago) link

here's another Davinche/Cleo attempt at mersh R&B that goes a little harder

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Sunday, 22 August 2021 16:22 (three months ago) link

she looks so uncomfortable.

things repeat forever and there never is a remedy (Austin), Sunday, 22 August 2021 16:52 (three months ago) link

I agree it's a terrible video and look for her and one she didn't obviously pursue, but the song is also catchy and I would like to see her do more varied tracks than endless soul self help ' yes, Cleo, we need to love ourselves'

Swanswans, Sunday, 22 August 2021 18:58 (three months ago) link

Yeah, really digging this album. Too soon to know if I like it more than Rose in the Dark, but for sure a strong follow-up.

reminds me of mid '70s Roberta Flack in its quietness and occasional lethargy.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 August 2021 15:25 (three months ago) link

i don't mind the lyrics at all, they're not the most interesting but she can get away with them with how beautiful the music is

ufo, Monday, 23 August 2021 15:28 (three months ago) link

"We Need You" turning out to be my favorite thing here.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Monday, 23 August 2021 17:11 (three months ago) link

mine too

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 August 2021 17:14 (three months ago) link

Also "Spirit"

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Monday, 23 August 2021 17:16 (three months ago) link

Listened to the new Cleo Sol a couple of times through late last night and it's beautiful. Kinda boring to say so but the production is stellar.

I just looked at buying the vinyl. £40 with postage. Come on, ffs.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Saturday, 4 September 2021 09:32 (two months ago) link

Sorry, £45 with postage - and I'm in the UK.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Saturday, 4 September 2021 09:33 (two months ago) link

Broken tape in here but Inflo produced the new Little Simz album and yes, the production is amazing.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 4 September 2021 17:33 (two months ago) link

"Don't Let It Go to Your Head" giving me Timbaland vibes tonight.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 17 September 2021 03:43 (two months ago) link

"9" and "Light's In Your Hands" are beautiful

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 30 September 2021 23:26 (two months ago) link

Was listening to “Monsters” and realized it was reminding me equally of Gainsbourg’s Melody Nelson and Ravyn Lenae’s “Sticky”. There’s the thing that a song has to sound familiar already yet still surprise, but what’s remarkable is how they triangulate points between very different memories of listening pleasure.

Citole Country (bendy), Friday, 1 October 2021 01:52 (one month ago) link

so I guess the whole "only available for 99 days" thing was a fakeout

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 1 October 2021 16:09 (one month ago) link

xp love that song and those "you"/"you-y-you"s at the end of every line on the verses always remind me of q-tip

Indexed, Friday, 1 October 2021 17:13 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

xp Nope it's gone?! Not on Spotify or for purchase from the band. Still copies on

maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 23:42 (one month ago) link

i think it disappeared literally 2 days after I posted something upthread. Oops, sorry everyone.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 23:43 (one month ago) link

It’s a weird gimmick specially when the band are so silent about everything they do. Without a statement on why they decided that it would disappear it just seems confusing and a bit annoying to fans of their music.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 13:34 (one month ago) link

I thought it was going to drop from streaming but still be up for sale, didn't realize it would be gone completely

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 13:40 (one month ago) link

kind of a bummer, I didn't really get to listen to it much

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 13:41 (one month ago) link

It was a free download so I wouldn't feel too bad downloading it from s0uls33k or whatnot

maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 13:44 (one month ago) link

Oof. Glad I downloaded it when I could, but I was still hoping to buy a physical copy.

They are so mysterious, so who knows, but I keep half expecting them to announce a major signing to a label. Hard to imagine they weren't getting courted hard.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 14:38 (one month ago) link

i think it is a strong statement to make and tells the world how they, and they alone are in control of their output, and how it is "consumed". it feels quite empowering to me to be able to put out music for a limited period and then withdraw it at a certain point. why not? after all, it's not like it has totally vanished off the face of the earth. if someone really wants to find it they can still find ways to seek it out.

stirmonster, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 15:09 (one month ago) link

it's still on one of the internet jukeboxes for now: nine by sault.

things repeat forever and there never is a remedy (Austin), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 15:19 (one month ago) link

despite first reactions, I've found 'mother' a really fantastic album, listened to it many times and respect the deeply personal journey and outlook Cleo offers up to us, I listen to her first album and a lot of the sault stuff, black is, rise,...but 9 hasn't been something I've gone back to as much. To me, the best sault stuff is Cleo n inflo, her solo work with inflo is steller, I am asking myself did 9 deviate too much from that core.

Swanswans, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 21:03 (one month ago) link

stirmonster otm

Communist Hockey Goblin (sleeve), Thursday, 21 October 2021 00:38 (one month ago) link

ah crap i thought i'd bought nine on bandcamp and then downloaded but i did not

grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Friday, 22 October 2021 20:14 (one month ago) link

just checked and apparently they're still allowing downloads for those who have purchased the album, so that's good!

grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Friday, 22 October 2021 20:20 (one month ago) link

I got a package in the mail today. I don’t remember having any Discogs orders outstanding. LO! IT IS NINE WHICH I FORGOT I HAD ORDERED APPROX 1 BILLION YEARS AGO

war mice (hardcore dilettante), Saturday, 23 October 2021 02:55 (one month ago) link

good news, that. i ordered —everything— when i ordered NINE and they told they would be holding it until the physical copies were all available together. i'm assuming NINE was the one we were waiting on, so hopefully i'll have some mail soon myself!

things repeat forever and there never is a remedy (Austin), Saturday, 23 October 2021 03:34 (one month ago) link

Late to the party here. I recently gave a coworker a mix cd, knowing that they keep up with music and have a player. Today I came to work and there was a vinyl mailer on my desk. He gave me a copy of Rise and it is my new favorite thing. "You Know it Ain't"!!! So damn good. Is all of it as good as Rise? Sorry, I haven't taken the time to read through the thread. This is the first I've heard of Sault.

Cow_Art, Saturday, 23 October 2021 04:39 (one month ago) link

rise is their best album, black is is also really good, but they're all worth a listen

there's quite an extended universe though, there's the five sault albums, then rose in the dark and mother by cleo sol (who's often on lead vocals in sault), and then grey area and sometimes i might be introvert by little simz, and love & hate and kiwanuka by michael kiwanuka. all those albums are produced by inflo, and simz and kiwanuka have shown up on sault tracks too.

my favourite out of all of them is mother, then rise.

ufo, Saturday, 23 October 2021 05:27 (one month ago) link

IMO, '7' and '5' remain their best, most focused albums. But the 'wide-screen' version of Sault on the 'Untitled' albums is also wonderful, and 'Nine' is quite good, too.

And don't forget to get Cleo Sol's fantastic two albums, the latest two Michael Kiwanuka albums, and especially Little Simz' 'Grey Area,' all very much related to Sault's genius as they're all produced by Sault's Inflo.

Soundslike, Saturday, 23 October 2021 10:57 (one month ago) link

Whoops, sorry to exactly double your post, UFO.

Soundslike, Saturday, 23 October 2021 10:58 (one month ago) link

I first heard of Cleo sol through her e.p. release winter songs, I think I came across inflo on here. in case someone hasn't listened to that e.p., here's a track not to sleep on, that doesn't appear on either of her albums.

Cleo Sol -Miles Song

also from this same e.p. this is a great live version of the track 'still cold'

Cleo Sol - Still Cold (Live)

Swanswans, Saturday, 23 October 2021 18:09 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

package from forever living originals arrived today. all five sault albums+mother. got the cds, packaging is pretty sparse. not mad whatsoever.
very pleased to finally have physical copies. yessum.

the beginning of the end of discourse. (Austin), Tuesday, 9 November 2021 02:15 (three weeks ago) link

I got a package in the mail today. I don’t remember having any Discogs orders outstanding. LO! IT IS NINE WHICH I FORGOT I HAD ORDERED APPROX 1 BILLION YEARS AGO

lol this exact same thing happened to me last week

talkin' about his flat tire (DJP), Tuesday, 9 November 2021 14:08 (three weeks ago) link

on "threats" they were referencing heart of the congos on purpose, right?

(sorry, just listening back through the catalogue since getting that delivery and idk why it never occurred to me. maybe i just assumed it was a sample?? but is it????)

(also that song is alltime)

the beginning of the end of discourse. (Austin), Sunday, 14 November 2021 20:48 (two weeks ago) link

(Nine is now on Amazon in three formats, like other Sault etc. releases, maybe all.)
from a proselytizing email to friends:
...Sault rules that 1. You must channel classic R&B. 2.You may not merely lay back and wallow in it, or not without paying the fare of customizing.
So Cleo Sol, who has me with the first celestial phrasing of first track on new Mother, could settle for that, but usually she makes her point early on, often in small units, a few words, few syllables, few notes, piano mirrors, centering the swirl. And then, pretty often she's set the clock with...several--more minutes to fill, with killer filler, at the very least. Testing herself and listener. Another instant fave in this vein: "Build Me Up." "Build me up. Set me free." She sounds like she knows she's hard to please, but the song really tries, like for A Thousand One Nights of fabulous tales, whew (sucks for them, great for me).

In another one (so many I haven't sorted them out yet), she's being fascinating as usual, when suddenly--"Hello?" sounds like she's ducked back there---taking a call, losing connection, both? Uh-oh. It's cool, Cleo, the song and I will wait for you. "Hello?" Sounds like she's going back down the hall---
No more spoilers. This is an often ravishing, well-grounded, long-ass album, but no prob so far w all in one sitting. May skip a couple eventually, but would rather have too many to chose from than few, or it may be too many to chose and discard from period (either way, well-played, Cleo

prob TOP TEN, BABY but don't want to jump the gun (listening on bandcamp so far.)

dow, Saturday, 20 November 2021 03:42 (one week ago) link

well-grounded (if you credit/can tale this much confident romantic philosophizing from woman of the world who is also a mother, so tested that way too)

dow, Saturday, 20 November 2021 04:05 (one week ago) link

And certainly musically well-grounded, good strategies and tactics, usually.

dow, Saturday, 20 November 2021 04:06 (one week ago) link

Prob always, but haven't listened that much yet.

dow, Saturday, 20 November 2021 04:07 (one week ago) link

Waited too long to check these guys out... It's good!

licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 22:22 (six days ago) link

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