Ken Burns' COUNTRY MUSIC Documentary

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Did they mention "Dead Flowers"? Still need to check Townes VZ's version.

dow, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 23:52 (four years ago) link

Don’t think so. Believe they did mention Gram Parsons’s involvement with Exile On Main Street, but that was probably the extent of any Rolling Stones connection.

The Hillbilly Chespirito (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 23:54 (four years ago) link

Darn. Oh yeah, some of this pertains:
Giant Sand / Howe Gelb P0X

dow, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 23:56 (four years ago) link

Never appreciated until now the country, blues & rockabilly classics that were introduced to me by Beasts of Bourbon covers alone

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 3 October 2019 01:35 (four years ago) link

I think Cantwell's recent Tanya Tucker piece for the New Yorker put it pretty well:

/Because it’s a late-career country-music comeback, “While I’m Livin’ ” is bound to be compared to Johnny Cash’s “American Recordings.” But Rick Rubin, the producer of the Cash album, succeeded in part by shrinking Cash’s complexity to a kind of two-dimensional rebellion.


Not to derail the thread but I think this reading of Cash’s work with Rubin is a little facile. It may be why some people—a lot of people even—bought these records but it isn’t borne out by the music itself, or much of it anyway.

I bought the Unearthed set a long time before I heard most of the original albums – which I suspect gives me a slightly altered perspective of the era. It’s less of Rubin sticking Glen Danzig songs in front of him and more just giving him a guitar and microphone and saying “Go.” The ... not exactly “joy” but sheer love of performing songs that pervades the whole collection is pretty incredible.

Certainly, the record of hymns is exactly what you expect a collection of gospel and folk songs Johnny Cash learned from his mother would be (it’s also mostly great). But things like the version of Neil Young’s “Pocahontas” backed by the Heartbreakers rank as some of the best (and quietly strangest) things I think Cash ever did. And despite the varying quality of the duets, some of them, such as his rendition of “Redemption Song” with Joe Strummer, achieve a kind of majesty against all odds. There’s a certain “caution to the wind” but also authenticity to this stuff that isn’t just rare for an artist of Cash’s stature at that point in his career – it’s almost totally unique. The result at worst is failed but usually compelling experiments – at best they produced definitive versions of these songs.

Given all that, and in the context of the Burns documentary of the idiom, I think you can make the case that Cash and Rubin’s body of work together represents a really significant achievement in and for country music. To that extent, I think it deserved a bit more coverage, or at least went a little deeper.

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 4 October 2019 04:52 (four years ago) link

Remember too that Cash--perhaps with some label influence--had cast a wide net for material for some time: He was one of the first Country artists to record Dylan; "Ballad of Ira Hayes" was by a Greenwich folkie; and in the '80s he was recording Nick Lowe material and stuff from Springsteen's Nebraska.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 4 October 2019 05:04 (four years ago) link

a) Naive Teen Idol: you make a great argument but jfc “facile”? you dont get to come at Cash backwards and presume to say that my misgivings as a lifelong fan are facile. it pisses me off

and b) if anyone else starts piling on to “remind” me about Cash i will kill every one of your firstborn children mark my words

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 4 October 2019 05:15 (four years ago) link

...just to watch them die

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 4 October 2019 05:21 (four years ago) link

*nods*

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 4 October 2019 05:35 (four years ago) link

Ha. Well, apologies, VG, that wasn’t directed at you so much as the passage from Cantwell. Just the idea that anything about Cash in that era is “two-dimensional” rubs me the wrong way given how rich the music actually is.

I mean, I get it. The marketing, the NIN, etc. A lot (most?) people see his American Recordings work and nothing else of Cash. But I think that ultimately does a disservice to the music across those records in a lot of ways. That’s all I meant.

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 4 October 2019 05:37 (four years ago) link

Btw, did you know that his birth name was not “Johnny,” but just a pair of initials, “J.R.”? *ducks*

Three Borads and the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 4 October 2019 06:44 (four years ago) link

oooh you’re gonna get it

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 4 October 2019 14:10 (four years ago) link

I believe the ubiquitous Marty Stuart tells a story of taking that final portrait picture of him. Johnny was kind of slumped and falling asleep so Marty said “J.R!” whereby he immediately snapped to attention

Three Borads and the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 4 October 2019 14:13 (four years ago) link

Immediately after the photo session Marty accompanied Johnny to his dressing closet, where he received five Man In Black suits along with with five Western-style dress shirts and an equal number of bolo ties.

Three Borads and the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 4 October 2019 14:20 (four years ago) link

I believe he has also made arrangements to take custody of Trigger in case something happens to Willie.

Three Borads and the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 4 October 2019 14:22 (four years ago) link

Barbara Mandrell really <is> the female Marty Stuart.

http://s2.dmcdn.net/Mug2r/x240-Rnb.jpg

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 4 October 2019 15:00 (four years ago) link

my interest started to flag when they were goin in to Hank Williams Jr. and Roseanne Cash careers but then they tied it all up nicely with Pancho and Lefty

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, October 2, 2019 3:11 PM

Kings Record Shop and Rhythm and Romance, one of which is a top ten all-timer for me, were the next steps in souped-up pop country, important forebears of Shania Twain and Garth. If those artists make you retch, remember that Cash's records have a confessional intimacy that's closer to Richard Thompson, beefed up by Waddy Wachtel and members of the Heartbreakers. And those singles sound great beside Randy Travis and Ricky Skaggs.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 October 2019 15:08 (four years ago) link

I feel like the Roseanne Cash story was underserved in several ways which I believe I might be able to articulate, just not into this little text box right now/FermatsLastTheorem

Three Borads and the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 4 October 2019 15:15 (four years ago) link

XP Now defend Hank II

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 4 October 2019 15:15 (four years ago) link

I like quite a few of his early songs!

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 October 2019 15:19 (four years ago) link

important forebears of Shania Twain and Garth. If those artists make you retch

you know me so well :)
but your caveats have made me curious so well done

Οὖτις, Friday, 4 October 2019 15:23 (four years ago) link

so good:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blbwPvex3VM

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 October 2019 15:25 (four years ago) link

In the Holding Things Together podcast somebody recounts witnessed a heated discussion between Tyler Mahan Coe and Shooter Jennings about who was greater, Flash Gordon or TarzanHank or Hank Jr.

Three Borads and the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 4 October 2019 15:26 (four years ago) link

you know me so well :)

hence those caveats!

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 October 2019 15:29 (four years ago) link

I said this upthread, but I'll reiterate that-chronology aside-the Rosanne and Hank II segments might have worked better in the last episode instead of Ep 7, which was so concerned with connecting dots at the end, excepting the dots provided by those segments.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 4 October 2019 15:30 (four years ago) link

An interesting thing they didn't cover is, first the way Hollywood took to Country in films like Nashville and Smokey and The Bandit (and Trucker movies in general), and then the rise of Music Video and TNN.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 4 October 2019 15:40 (four years ago) link

It's weird, because the bit about Dolly going to Hollywood would've been the perfect segue into Smokey and the Nashville. They did spend a lot of time (it couldn't have been more than five minutes, but it felt like half an hour) on Ricky Skaggs' "Country Boy" video, but made little mention of other artists' videos.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 4 October 2019 15:53 (four years ago) link

I was surprised Nashville didn’t get mentioned.

Also, the Hank Jr. stuff with his mother was heartbreaking. Enough to forgive, I don’t know. But still – him choking up at Cash and Waylon being there for him was pretty intense.

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 4 October 2019 17:16 (four years ago) link

I watched this, as I watch a lot of things now, with the CC on. Among other things it is the first time I learned a lot of the words to “Jambalaya.”

Three Borads and the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 4 October 2019 22:43 (four years ago) link

So one more day to watch the first four episodes. In English at least. You have three more days on top of that to watch in Spanish.

Three Borads and the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 5 October 2019 20:29 (four years ago) link

Can't think of anywhere else to post

Red Sovine is why I don't believe incels because you know this guy fucked. pic.twitter.com/Rnlm35Cgyt

— Tyler Mahan Coe (@TylerMahanCoe) October 4, 2019

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 5 October 2019 20:35 (four years ago) link

lol

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 5 October 2019 22:27 (four years ago) link

Finally finished this. What am I going to do with myself now?

Three Borads and the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 6 October 2019 13:22 (four years ago) link

Listen to Ricky Skaggs, duh.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 6 October 2019 13:41 (four years ago) link

D’oh!

Three Borads and the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 6 October 2019 14:32 (four years ago) link

Almost forgot about that torch passing.

Three Borads and the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 6 October 2019 14:33 (four years ago) link

Work on your Marty Stuart hairdo.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 6 October 2019 15:47 (four years ago) link

Ha, just got it cut. Sorry, Marty.

Three Borads and the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 6 October 2019 15:48 (four years ago) link

Well then, work on your George Jones flattop.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 6 October 2019 15:57 (four years ago) link

Ha, my cousin has mastered that look

Three Borads and the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 6 October 2019 16:13 (four years ago) link

work on your yodel

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 6 October 2019 18:23 (four years ago) link

Now THAT’S an idea!

Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 6 October 2019 18:25 (four years ago) link

#goodmorningcaptain

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 6 October 2019 18:40 (four years ago) link

Do you need another mule skinner?

Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 6 October 2019 18:58 (four years ago) link

Nudie suits for everyone!

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 6 October 2019 19:47 (four years ago) link

Halfway through the Holding Things Together podcast which is holding its own.

Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 6 October 2019 20:00 (four years ago) link

i’m caught up, waiting for #8 to drop

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 6 October 2019 20:05 (four years ago) link

Just went over there a little earlier and I have good news for you: Blue Yodel #8 has arrived in the station.

Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 6 October 2019 20:17 (four years ago) link

The synopsis of second episode of this show, “Hard Times (1933-1945),” says “Watch as Nashville becomes the heart of the country music industry.” Think this is a little premature.

Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 6 October 2019 20:36 (four years ago) link

Tell you one thing, I am not having a lot of trouble resisting clicking on the video of “British guitar reacts to the ORIGIN of country, Mother Maybelle Carter.” I’ve been down that road before.

Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 6 October 2019 20:58 (four years ago) link


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