Ken Burns' COUNTRY MUSIC Documentary

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...was just a category on today's Jeopardy, so let's anticipate/dread/debate whether we need this when we already have Cocaine & Rhinestones etc.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 12 September 2019 17:06 (one month ago) link

camera pans over a daguerrotype of a hill billy

Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 12 September 2019 17:16 (one month ago) link

I'm excited about it. But I don't listen to "podcasts"

alpine static, Thursday, 12 September 2019 17:19 (one month ago) link

was there a thread to talk about American Epic? it was ok.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 12 September 2019 17:20 (one month ago) link

Final episode focuses entirely on how Wynton Marsalis' collaboration with Willie Nelson revitalized country music.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 12 September 2019 17:20 (one month ago) link

I wonder if they'll do like they did w/Fusion in the Jazz doc by being handwavy re:the importance of Byrds/Gram Parsons etc. and Country Rock.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 12 September 2019 17:26 (one month ago) link

that's Rosanne Cash up there, no?

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 September 2019 17:35 (one month ago) link

Yes.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 12 September 2019 17:39 (one month ago) link

this seems so boringly obvious to me.

and when you can say that about a ken burns endeavour, hoo boy.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Thursday, 12 September 2019 21:14 (one month ago) link

was there a thread to talk about American Epic? it was ok.

They were showing some of these this afternoon as an undercard to Burns' premiere. Quite good! I really liked the Charley Patton segment.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 15 September 2019 20:45 (one month ago) link

David Cantwell has a review:

newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/ken-burns-delightful-country-music-gets-the-big-things-mostly-right

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 15 September 2019 21:10 (one month ago) link

Bloody hell, WYNTON <is> in this!

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 16 September 2019 00:21 (one month ago) link

It's pretty damn good so far

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 September 2019 00:30 (one month ago) link

Bloody hell, WYNTON <is> in this!

Every music documentary ever made in this millennium must have commentary by either Wynton or Bono/Redd’s Law

Our Borad Could Be Your Trife (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 16 September 2019 00:47 (one month ago) link

Narrator sounds to be Peter Coyote.

Our Borad Could Be Your Trife (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 16 September 2019 00:52 (one month ago) link

It is. He's Burns go-to for narration.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 16 September 2019 02:00 (one month ago) link

first ep was pretty good to me.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 September 2019 02:34 (one month ago) link

_billygoat testicles_

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 16 September 2019 02:38 (one month ago) link

that part just played again. archived for posterity

Great opening ep.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 16 September 2019 02:39 (one month ago) link

and the rerun of American Epic beforehand was an inspired foreword.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 16 September 2019 02:40 (one month ago) link

"this seems so boringly obvious to me."

lol @ calling 99% of what's being covered in episode 1 "obvious."

Johnny Fever, Monday, 16 September 2019 03:29 (one month ago) link

I could listen to that first a cappella bit with Dolly for hours.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 16 September 2019 04:31 (one month ago) link

otm

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 16 September 2019 05:13 (one month ago) link

how many episodes are there of this? man, Ep1 was a pretty deep dive.

alpine static, Monday, 16 September 2019 08:31 (one month ago) link

Eight, I think

Our Borad Could Be Your Trife (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 16 September 2019 09:46 (one month ago) link

They're showing four this week, and the other four next week (Sunday-->Wednesday each week).

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 16 September 2019 12:31 (one month ago) link

All of the first 4 are already on the PBS app on Roku/FireTV/etc.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 16 September 2019 13:28 (one month ago) link

oooh! that's good. i know people dunk on wynton and his inability to see beyond his own jazz glasses but the historical information in the jazz doc is very useful for educational purposes when students have no idea what jazz is or where it came from beyond what i've said. it confirms that teacher is not crazy. i am assuming the country music one is similar?

(i don't show them the whole thing, it's too long, but the chapters about the origins are great aside from the graphic imagery of lynchings and constant talk about prostitution -- which actually caused trouble in one of my classes but that is neither here nor there nor jazz nor country)

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 16 September 2019 18:09 (one month ago) link

I guess I will watch the first ep of this but I am v v skeptical

Οὖτις, Monday, 16 September 2019 18:10 (one month ago) link

It's good!

Does anyone actual listen to Wynton Marsalis? He's released maybe 100 or so records, but I don't think I've heard a note.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 September 2019 18:13 (one month ago) link

wasn't he involved in a recent movie about buddy bolden?

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 16 September 2019 18:20 (one month ago) link

(of course it's buddy bolden)

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 16 September 2019 18:20 (one month ago) link

i listen to marsalis / have seen him play live / have talked to him once or twice. he's phenomenally knowledgable about music but also quite opinionated. he's allowed to be!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 16 September 2019 18:22 (one month ago) link

I figure he must have some sorta fanbase beyond those who might casually pick up a Jazz CD at Barnes & Noble. There's also those who might casually pick up a Jazz Christmas CD at Barnes & Noble. I haven't ever met a single Wynton fan, though.

(although a trumpeter acquaintance once told me and several other skeptics that one of Wynton's early records -- possibly his debut as a leader -- is "actually really good! Nobody believes me, but it's good!")

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 16 September 2019 18:23 (one month ago) link

Something I noticed re: Wynton's interview: At one point he makes a quick hand gesture revealing he's holding his trumpet in his right hand.

Might be surgically attached.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 16 September 2019 18:26 (one month ago) link

whats weird is i get him mixed up w George Winston & think he’s the barefoot piano guy

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 16 September 2019 18:27 (one month ago) link

Wynton is a really good live musician and bandleader and composer! His fans are very much of the "jazz as american classical" audience though and that puts a lot of folks off.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 16 September 2019 18:27 (one month ago) link

Does anyone actual listen to Wynton Marsalis?

i have a chico freeman album from the early 80s with wynton on a couple tracks. i'll just mirror the cliche: he sounds like mid-60s miles. passable, but it must suck to have recorded as much music as he has and never once had a unique or dinstictive thing to say.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Monday, 16 September 2019 18:30 (one month ago) link

anyway I really enjoyed the first ep, impressed that they covered so much ground but still kept it interesting

loved Merle singing Mule skinner blues ... and Vince Gill demoing the Carter Scratch ...

and man gimme some of whatever Marty Stuart is taking/bathing in to still look so great

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 16 September 2019 18:36 (one month ago) link

this is admittedly not my area of expertise but this seems like a funny discussion about Wynton and whether or not he has actual fans. he's one of the most famous jazz musicians in the world!

alpine static, Monday, 16 September 2019 18:37 (one month ago) link

wonder if they will gloss over the horrific story of spade cooley & how he got pardoned by reagan

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 16 September 2019 18:37 (one month ago) link

it must suck to have recorded as much music as he has and never once had a unique or dinstictive thing to say.

It's one thing to be in your late teens and early 20s and talking shit about Miles Davis, because you've got your whole career ahead of you to prove and illustrate your point. But Wynton's pushing 60 now, and you have to wonder if he looks back on his career and regrets that he hasn't taken one single solitary risk in his musical life.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 16 September 2019 18:39 (one month ago) link

xpost mmm yes wondering that myself
although by the same token i dont want a super detailed account because it’s so horrific

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 16 September 2019 18:39 (one month ago) link

i enjoyed last night's episode of the show but felt like it dragged a lot in the second half. i'm still "in" tho

also i think Marty Stuart is my favorite country artist ever

alpine static, Monday, 16 September 2019 18:40 (one month ago) link

xp - yeah neither do i but i do want it to be acknowledged -- he was one of the most disgusting and horrible people i have ever heard of and he was pardoned by ronald mc donald reagan !!!!

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 16 September 2019 18:41 (one month ago) link

I don't see any reason to make a big deal about the Reagan pardon, Cooley was dead already anyway.

I mean on the list of shitty things Reagan did it's kinda low

Οὖτις, Monday, 16 September 2019 18:43 (one month ago) link

Cooley obviously a horrible monster who should've died in prison, but the parole board let him out (not Reagan) and then the dude died.

Οὖτις, Monday, 16 September 2019 18:43 (one month ago) link

well i for one am glad he died

nevermind my digression. i plan to watch this ASAP.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 16 September 2019 18:44 (one month ago) link

Has there ever been a Jimmie Rodgers biopic?

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 16 September 2019 18:48 (one month ago) link

The 1982 film Honkytonk Man, directed by and starring Clint Eastwood, was loosely based on Rodgers' life.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 16 September 2019 18:50 (one month ago) link

Listen to Ricky Skaggs, duh.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 6 October 2019 13:41 (two weeks ago) link

D’oh!

Three Borads and the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 6 October 2019 14:32 (two weeks ago) link

Almost forgot about that torch passing.

Three Borads and the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 6 October 2019 14:33 (two weeks ago) link

Work on your Marty Stuart hairdo.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 6 October 2019 15:47 (two weeks ago) link

Ha, just got it cut. Sorry, Marty.

Three Borads and the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 6 October 2019 15:48 (two weeks ago) link

Well then, work on your George Jones flattop.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 6 October 2019 15:57 (two weeks ago) link

Ha, my cousin has mastered that look

Three Borads and the HOOS (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 6 October 2019 16:13 (two weeks ago) link

work on your yodel

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 6 October 2019 18:23 (two weeks ago) link

Now THAT’S an idea!

Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 6 October 2019 18:25 (two weeks ago) link

#goodmorningcaptain

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 6 October 2019 18:40 (two weeks ago) link

Do you need another mule skinner?

Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 6 October 2019 18:58 (two weeks ago) link

Nudie suits for everyone!

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 6 October 2019 19:47 (two weeks ago) link

Halfway through the Holding Things Together podcast which is holding its own.

Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 6 October 2019 20:00 (two weeks ago) link

i’m caught up, waiting for #8 to drop

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 6 October 2019 20:05 (two weeks ago) link

Just went over there a little earlier and I have good news for you: Blue Yodel #8 has arrived in the station.

Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 6 October 2019 20:17 (two weeks ago) link

The synopsis of second episode of this show, “Hard Times (1933-1945),” says “Watch as Nashville becomes the heart of the country music industry.” Think this is a little premature.

Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 6 October 2019 20:36 (two weeks ago) link

Tell you one thing, I am not having a lot of trouble resisting clicking on the video of “British guitar reacts to the ORIGIN of country, Mother Maybelle Carter.” I’ve been down that road before.

Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 6 October 2019 20:58 (two weeks ago) link

lol

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 6 October 2019 21:21 (two weeks ago) link

i was inspired to pick up Hag’s autibiography House of Memories.

Halfway through i think i am inspired to maybe put it back down again. :/

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 6 October 2019 21:23 (two weeks ago) link

Why?

Maybe you should read that bio Alfred mentioned.

Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 6 October 2019 21:25 (two weeks ago) link

It’s horribly edited and full of typos mainly
But also stories that start with “i’m not advocating domestic violence...”

the caldwell bio is great but examines his life via his songs & i thought i’d like to hear his stories firsthand

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 6 October 2019 21:40 (two weeks ago) link

Ugh, sorry

Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 6 October 2019 21:43 (two weeks ago) link

eh.. i think i kinda knew what i might get when i was going in, it was just a bummer to have my doubts confirmed.

i do want to read Guralnick’s Lost Highways now though

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 6 October 2019 22:17 (two weeks ago) link

Lost Highways is great, especially the (now slightly outdated) listening guide in the back.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 6 October 2019 22:23 (two weeks ago) link

That one is good, as is almost every Peter Guralnick book I’ve read, which is most, although maybe I could go back and read them more carefully or at least another time. I saw him do an in-store for one of the Elvis books, the second I think, and he was oddly defensive.

Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 6 October 2019 22:23 (two weeks ago) link

I got rid of my paper copy in a painful purge, but now have the enhanced e-edition, with extra interviews and such, including one with the Hag.

Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 6 October 2019 22:24 (two weeks ago) link

That iconic picture on the cover of Hank Williams with a cigarillo in his mouth and some kind of defiant look on his face, the young lady next to him is Roy Acuff’s daughter, isn’t it?

Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 6 October 2019 22:28 (two weeks ago) link

In any case, I am going to use a word I assume he got from Sam Phillips which appears in his book about the same, “amplitudinous.”

Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 6 October 2019 22:41 (two weeks ago) link

Hm, there are Episode 8 Show Notes on HTT but no actual podcast that I can see.

Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 7 October 2019 11:43 (one week ago) link

yeah i’m wondering if they somehow forgot to post 8

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 7 October 2019 13:13 (one week ago) link

Maybe it’s a sly tribute to No Show Jones.

Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 7 October 2019 13:18 (one week ago) link

i do want to read Guralnick’s Lost Highways now though

At least Charlie Rich is in it.

Let them eat Pfifferlinge an Schneckensauce (Tom D.), Monday, 7 October 2019 13:29 (one week ago) link

Exactly. That’s how we knew he wasn’t just a journeyman.

Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 7 October 2019 13:41 (one week ago) link

Well good evening,
Don’t that sun look good going down

Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 7 October 2019 23:35 (one week ago) link

I’m having withdrawal symptoms from/flashbacks to this. Right now hearing a mashup of “The Streets of Bakersfield” and “Delia’s Gone” in my head.

Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 8 October 2019 01:00 (one week ago) link

What these two songs have in common is that they were re-recorded by the artists decades later and finally became hits of a sort. Wondering what other songs from major country artists fit this bill.

Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 8 October 2019 01:05 (one week ago) link

Wow, Wikipedia says there have been tons of recordings by folk and country artists of “Delia” songs and that Johnny Cash alone recorded it four times.

Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 8 October 2019 01:07 (one week ago) link

Also is that a body double for Flaco Jiménez in the background of the video for “The Streets of Bakersfield”?

Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 8 October 2019 01:10 (one week ago) link

we dug up the BBC Lost Highways series on youtube and have started watching tonight. Charlie Louvin! <3

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 8 October 2019 03:49 (one week ago) link

Wow, Ray Price gets an episode too.

Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 8 October 2019 04:18 (one week ago) link

Buck AND his producer!

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 8 October 2019 05:19 (one week ago) link

Random fact that just popped into my head: believe “Ring of Fire” was first recorded by one of the other Carter sisters- Anita, I think- before Johnny had the idea to cut it with mariachi horns.

Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 8 October 2019 12:15 (one week ago) link

still reeling over some of these Lost Highways interviews - episode 2 interviews with Ray Price & Eddy Arnold <3

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 9 October 2019 05:33 (one week ago) link

the one thing i don’t like about Lost Highways over Ken Burns is that it picks sides in a narrative way too heavily, ie Audrey drove Hank to drink; Ray Price is the “judas” of country for doing Danny Boy, etc

like sure it’s conventional wisdom of the time but as a storyteller you should try to do a little better than wallowing in the muck with everyone else.

idk. i think Burns has a lighter touch and allows for more context to tell a richer story, even when he leaves stuff out that we would want to see. i mean he has his glib moments too but they don’t feel as harsh
as some of these

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 9 October 2019 05:39 (one week ago) link

Just got busted by a neighbor whilst walking home and singing along to “The Streets of Baltimore.”

Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 12 October 2019 00:56 (one week ago) link

breaking news update direct from the source (i coildnt take the suspense so i emailed the pod)

Holding Things Together episode 8 could hit yr feed Sunday (maybe)

quoting Don: “I’ve been traveling and traveling. Hope to get to it on Sunday. I’m actually in Nashville right now for Dolly’s 50th Opry Anniversary show so I’m keeping it country.” 🤠

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 12 October 2019 01:47 (one week ago) link

Thanks. I have this far resisted using that email, but may do so soon.

Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 12 October 2019 01:51 (one week ago) link

i hope they continue it in some other form after the final ep. i really enjoy their convos & have learned so much!

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 12 October 2019 02:05 (one week ago) link

Assuming you told them that in the email.

Beware of Mr. Blecch, er...what? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 12 October 2019 02:06 (one week ago) link

i wrote an itunes review for that :)

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 12 October 2019 02:35 (one week ago) link


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