What are those albums that are so off-course even the hardcore fans needn't bother

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I don't mean the bad albums, since I assume most fans will at least want to hear bad versions of their favorite artists (especially since you don't actually have to pay anything to do so these days), I mean the ones which just have nothing to do with the artist's classic style and are just roundly ignored in the larger context of their discography. The fans never mention them, the songs don't appear on any comps, and the band never plays them live, outside of maybe that one tour.

For example ELP's Love Beach, as bad as it is, still has some of the hallmarks of the classic band. It's a bad record but if you're a fan you might get some amusement out of it. On the other hand In The Hot Seat just sounds like a different band entirely - many of the songs were written by the producer, Lake sounds nothing like he used to, and Emerson can't really play anymore. If you heard it in the wild you'd never identify it as ELP. That's the kind of stuff I'm looking for.

Those two Devo albums on Enigma also count (Total Devo and Smooth Noodle Maps), I actually think the latter one is okay but I pretty much never think of them. The songs don't fit into their catalogue and they punt a lot of their unique signifiers to fit in with crappy late 80's FM radio. I was a fan for a decade before I even knew they existed (unlike say, Shout, which sold decently and still sounds like Devo, even if it kinda sucks).

For whatever reason I've become a little fascinated with these sorts of albums lately so I'm curious what y'all come up with

frogbs, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 14:38 (one week ago) link

Like the time Goblin made a pop album with very little of its original members?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQY6WTT7bzo

MarkoP, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 14:46 (one week ago) link

exactly

also wanna clarify I'm not looking for soundtracks, oddball collabs, or weird cover albums - I want stuff that goes in the main discography

frogbs, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:04 (one week ago) link

So not those instance where someone like Paul McCartney or Billy Joel decides to record a Classical album?

MarkoP, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:06 (one week ago) link

yeah I'd say probably not since they're marketed specifically as such

frogbs, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:16 (one week ago) link

Train Above the City?

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:20 (one week ago) link

I'd imagine there is a strong correlation here with 'albums / singles that were hurriedly knocked out in order to fulfill contractual obligations' eg;

Mamas & Papas - People Like Us
Rolling Stones - Schoolboy Blues
Van Morrison - Payin' Dues (so bad it wasn't released until the 90's)
Prince - Chaos & Disorder
Ben Folds - One Down
Lou Reed - Metal Machine Music (sort of?)

help yourself to another slice of apple ... crumble (Willl), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:25 (one week ago) link

Cut the crap, right?

campreverb, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:27 (one week ago) link

ccr's mardis gras. what an unfortunate son of a gun.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:31 (one week ago) link

Velvets' Squeeze obviously

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:32 (one week ago) link

Cut the crap, right?

― campreverb, Tuesday, September 10, 2019 11:27 AM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

That was the first one that sprung to mind for me. Only one original member (Strummer); a manager who took on co-writing, producing, and arranging (said arrangements and production not heard by Strummer until the record was out); and it's not even mentioned in passing in their official documentaries, or included in boxed sets (though I think there's one singles comp that has "This Is England").

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:34 (one week ago) link

Neil Young fans are pretty nuts about his work but i feel like at least one of his LPs could fit in this category maybe?

omar little, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:36 (one week ago) link

Celtic Frost's Cold Lake

a wagon to the curious (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:36 (one week ago) link

lil wayne - rebirth

normal fucking rockman (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:38 (one week ago) link

w/Neil I think the generally accepted entry is probably Everybody's Rockin

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:38 (one week ago) link

Neil Young fans are pretty nuts about his work but i feel like at least one of his LPs could fit in this category maybe?
― omar little, Tuesday, September 10, 2019 8:36 AM

a decade ago, i can see a lot of mentions for his 80s geffen era, but even those records have their defenders now. i like trans, but i think most of those albums are more boring than anything else. kind of in the devo 'shout' category that frogs mentioned.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:39 (one week ago) link

Not that I've even heard any of these (fitting I suppose) but the first two pre-Debut Bjork albums and the Underworld Mk1 albums

Vinnie, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:41 (one week ago) link

w/Neil I think the generally accepted entry is probably Everybody's Rockin
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, September 10, 2019 8:38 AM

no way, that album's so much better than life or landing on water.

like i said though: all that geffen stuff is just third and fourth tier neil. inessential, sure. but definitely has gotten reevaluated more recently.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:41 (one week ago) link

xp Re: Neil Young, its got to be 'Everybodys Rockin' aka the 25 minute album he released on Geffen directly after they sued him for 'making music that didn't sound like Neil Young'

help yourself to another slice of apple ... crumble (Willl), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:42 (one week ago) link

Van Morrison - Payin' Dues (so bad it wasn't released until the 90's)

This contains the only good work Van Morrison has ever done.

emil.y, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:42 (one week ago) link

xp beaten to it ;)

help yourself to another slice of apple ... crumble (Willl), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:42 (one week ago) link

i think the younger neil fans will stan for Trans but would dump Everybodys Rockin, but maybe its the opposite for his older fans?

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:44 (one week ago) link

Actually there's a lot of early disowned records like the ones I mentioned. Alanis has a couple and maybe Y Kant Tori Read counts, except I think she has re-owned that one

Vinnie, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:45 (one week ago) link

Landing On Water has a great vibe but not many great songs. Life is.... well yeah its really pretty bad.

absolute jam from Landing -
https://youtu.be/kdxZAvP9t7A?t=68

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:46 (one week ago) link

Big fan of "Trans", I've never heard "Everybody's Rockin'" <------- old bastard

The Inner Mounting Phlegm (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:47 (one week ago) link

Landing on Water is better than people say it is!

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:47 (one week ago) link

these Tim Pope landing on water videos are great actually!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXmiwjKx_Cs

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:48 (one week ago) link

"Life" is kinda not that bad?

The Inner Mounting Phlegm (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:48 (one week ago) link

xp Re: Neil Young, its got to be 'Everybodys Rockin' aka the 25 minute album he released on Geffen directly after they sued him for 'making music that didn't sound like Neil Young'

― help yourself to another slice of apple ... crumble (Willl), Tuesday, September 10, 2019 11:42 AM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

The lawsuit was a response to Everybody's Rockin. Geffen initially rejected Old Ways and told Neil to make a "rock 'n' roll" album, so Neil happily obliged. Geffen was pissed at what Neil was recording and cancelled the sessions before the album was done, which is one reason it's so short. Then they sued him.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:49 (one week ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcHeOg3pHhk

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:49 (one week ago) link

I'm a huge fan of "Trans". "Everybody's Rockin'" less so. I consider myself an "old" Neil fan, although I am not as old as my dad.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:49 (one week ago) link

totally derailing with more Neil here - but one of my time travel wishlist tours would definitely have been the Trans one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oMTwfq_jI8

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:52 (one week ago) link

Lana Del Rey's Lana Del Ray ?

AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:53 (one week ago) link

that concert video is amazing

features quality interpretative dancing from Nils Lofgren

xp

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:53 (one week ago) link

I've got it!

The Inner Mounting Phlegm (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:54 (one week ago) link

xp Cheers MBJ, I knew it was something like that

help yourself to another slice of apple ... crumble (Willl), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 15:56 (one week ago) link

On my last BH kick, I found it very hard to listen to Butthole Surfers' Weird Revolution

Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 16:15 (one week ago) link

Also, its hard to totally dismiss the Smooth Noodle Maps era of Devo because this is such a jam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCJoe_4eYU4

Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 16:17 (one week ago) link

i did have an image in my head of UMS seeing Neil on the street and yelling, "Neil! Landing on Water! I liked it!"

omar little, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 16:19 (one week ago) link

Bad Religion - Into the Unknown

When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 16:19 (one week ago) link

Mott the Hoople released a couple of stinky stinkers after Ian Hunter split. They shortened the name to Mott, but it was basically the same band, sans their guiding light and anything in the way of listenable material.

henry s, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 16:40 (one week ago) link

I actually kinda like CCR's Mardi Gras, but it would have been better for the other guys to write their songs and have John sing them. (I'm aware of the history, and that this was not likely to happen.) Most of the songs aren't that bad, but virtually no band needs three lead singers.

confusementalism (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 16:45 (one week ago) link

Blue Oyster Cult had FOUR singers, and they needed them all, if only to assure that Eric Bloom didn't get any more time behind the mic.

henry s, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 16:53 (one week ago) link

Calling All Stations

dinnerboat, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 16:55 (one week ago) link

Also, its hard to totally dismiss the Smooth Noodle Maps era of Devo because this is such a jam

can't believe I've never seen the video, that's such a perfect ending for the group. still every time I hear that song I can't help but think it was written specifically to get radio play which is something they hadn't really done before. of course their comeback album in 2011 was pretty much all about that and it turned out pretty good

frogbs, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 17:52 (one week ago) link

Music From 'The Elder' by Kiss used to be in this category I guess? Nowadays it sounds like the album that kicked off the epic fantasy metal genre so probably ripe for reassessment.

funnel spider ESA (Matt #2), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 18:11 (one week ago) link

Jean-Michel Jarre made several of these in the 00's, he pretty much traded in his entire set up for Pro Tools/Fruity Loops type software and put out some pretty bland downtempo/trance stuff that sounds like royalty-free background music to me. Maybe Metamorphosis doesn't count (because it's actually kinda good) but the other ones - Sessions 2000, Geometry of Love, Teo & Tea - all seem to have been written out of his history already.

frogbs, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 18:13 (one week ago) link

I actually kinda like CCR's Mardi Gras, but it would have been better for the other guys to write their songs and have John sing them

i feel like mardi gras definitely fits the thread but ^^this otm

"Someday.." and "Sweet Hitchhiker" pretty top tier CCR for me

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 18:23 (one week ago) link

According to Wikipedia, Fogerty refused to sing on Doug's and Stu's songs. I bet those were fun sessions.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 18:36 (one week ago) link

yeah him refusing to sing was a total dick move. otoh the other guys really didn't seem to have a clue about how much Fogerty was carrying the band. So he opted to show them in the most publicly humiliating way possible.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 18:48 (one week ago) link

Great post Tim

Can somebody confirm or deny that Big Star's "In Space" belongs in this thread, I've never listened to it, I can't bear to, I love that band so much and can't deal with a sad ending.

flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 13 September 2019 07:23 (one week ago) link

I feel like i'd maybe save Lionheart just for "In Search of Peter Pan" but given I haven't listened to the album in more than 20 years I really can't complain about its inclusion here.

Tim F, Friday, 13 September 2019 07:27 (one week ago) link

xps "Impossible Soul" is tremendous and i love it but "I Want to Be Well" is possibly my favourite song he's ever done

is Impossible Princess really the trv kvlt Kylie stan album these days? i thought it was a fan-favourite, sure but i thought it was more of the old-school rockist's pick for her best because she wrote her own songs! and worked with MSP! or at least that's how i've seen it advocated for lol

ufo, Friday, 13 September 2019 07:28 (one week ago) link

Tim I guess we would include Blood on the Tracks in that list - "A lot of people tell me they enjoy that album. It’s hard for me to relate to that. I mean, you know, people enjoying that kind of pain?" He sure never went there again.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Friday, 13 September 2019 07:37 (one week ago) link

As a byproduct of their intense identification with and/or fetishism of the artist-qua-artist, pop stans tend to hold a lot of values we might otherwise associate with rockism: an emphasis on how personally meaningful or deeply felt the artistic product is, whether it is "brave" or "bold" or autobiographical. In particular, they tend to be attracted to the fetishism of "difficult" works that only the fans can truly understand.

With Madonna, for example, this manifests not just in a lot of consensus-conforming stanning for Like A Prayer and Ray of Light, but also contra-stanning for Erotica and (perhaps more surprisingly) American Life.

But it's fair to say that the pop stan appreciation of Impossible Princess is definitely not premised on her working with the Manic Street Preachers (I'd actually be surprised if there were many people at all who held that position: "Where The Wild Roses Grow" seems like the more obvious candidate for kylie-but-credible).

Tim F, Friday, 13 September 2019 07:43 (one week ago) link

xpost - yeah that's a good one. I feel like i've read Robert Smith say similar things about Pornography, although that may be more "you're only that young and self-absorbed once".

Tim F, Friday, 13 September 2019 07:44 (one week ago) link

I don’t have particularly fond memories of Pornography, but I think it’s one of the best things we’ve ever done, and it would have never got made if we hadn’t taken things to excess. People have often said, “Nothing you’ve done has had the same kind of intensity or passion.” But I don’t think you can make too many albums like that, because you wouldn’t be alive.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/the-cures-discography-robert-smith-looks-back-246129/

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Friday, 13 September 2019 08:27 (one week ago) link

sorry for the derail

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Friday, 13 September 2019 11:01 (one week ago) link

actually thanks a lot for that link! One of the best RS retrospective interviews I've read (although it's always puzzling to see his self-awareness and critical sense dissolve after Wish)

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 13 September 2019 11:59 (one week ago) link

Can somebody confirm or deny that Big Star's "In Space" belongs in this thread, I've never listened to it, I can't bear to, I love that band so much and can't deal with a sad ending.

― flamboyant goon tie included

i like the first song "dony"! i don't know who wrote it. the rest is your standard alex chilton self-sabotage thing as far as i remember. i get it, i've done the self-sabotage thing and i don't have nearly as much to sabotage as chilton did, but it's still painful.

regarding my only liking music to be "oblique", i've had plenty of people accuse me of that, but i don't think it's true! like you i will listen to music that i openly admit to be terrible, but i don't really ever choose listen to music i don't enjoy. even if other people are repulsed by it, even if _i'm_ repulsed by what i'm listening to, doesn't mean i don't also like it on its own merits, whether that's "metal machine music" or 1980s aor.

sock fingering, baby (rushomancy), Friday, 13 September 2019 13:35 (one week ago) link

Depends on how 'hardcore fan' is defined, but a lot of hardcore Who fans don't bother with 'Endless Wire', any of individual solo albums, or even 'It's Hard' or 'By Numbers'.

― just another country (snoball), Thursday, September 12, 2019 4:56 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Who fans are all over the place. I know Who fanatics who will seek out every pressing variation of the Lisztomania soundtrack, and others who hate everything after Tommy.

I've never known any Who fans to ignore By Numbers, but there seems to be consensus on It's Hard being awful and Endless Wire not "really" being the Who.

For me, there's maybe two near-brilliant things on It's Hard, alongside their worst-ever songs. And Endless Wire is mostly wonderful ("Mike Post Theme" and "Tea and Theatre" are two of the best things they've ever done), though the production isn't great.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 13 September 2019 14:04 (one week ago) link

fgti for the record you are 100% wrong about Royal Trux, The Goslings and Popol Vuh. just letting you know.

sleeve, Friday, 13 September 2019 14:11 (one week ago) link

and yeah also absurdly judgemental and wrong with the whole "liking it just to be oblique angle" - you don't get to tell me why I like things

sleeve, Friday, 13 September 2019 14:12 (one week ago) link

I wasn’t accusing you of liking things only to be “oblique”! It was a general comment, an acknowledgement that I do it, myself, sometimes— not “listening to music to be oblique” but “claiming to rate albums highly that aren’t very good”— and it’s less about being “oblique” I suppose as it is about doing so to appear “interesting” I guess

flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 13 September 2019 14:13 (one week ago) link

wrong again, but whatever. I guess you can't actually envision someone appreciating Twin infinitives as a great album, your loss imo

sleeve, Friday, 13 September 2019 14:15 (one week ago) link

I suppose if the track "Vuh" doesn't make the hair on the back of your neck stand up then it doesn't ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The Inner Mounting Phlegm (Tom D.), Friday, 13 September 2019 14:26 (one week ago) link

I don't think I'm making myself clear, I like Twin Infinitives; also, I eat my own boogers sometimes. (The Emperor Wears No Clothes album with that band is "Cats And Dogs".)

I don't think it's a particularly ground-breaking or revolutionary idea that "some of the albums you love? you love them not because you enjoy them, but because you want to be a person who enjoys that album". Like... isn't this oftentimes how we're all talking about music?"

I listened again to "Pharaos" last night (and I'm listening to "Hossianna Mantra" right now! it is so nice) and "Vuh" is pretty but a slog, it's really the A-side that bothers me, and even then, it's impossible for me to extricate the content from the reputation.

flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 13 September 2019 14:57 (one week ago) link

I've always found the idea of Popol Vuh more compelling than their actual discography, with the notable exception of 'Vuh'.

pomenitul, Friday, 13 September 2019 15:00 (one week ago) link

fgti for the record you are 100% wrong about Royal Trux

yeah I'm baffled at any RTX fan who thinks they aren't technically "good" - for one thing Neil is a *really* fucking good guitar player, def in my top 10.

Οὖτις, Friday, 13 September 2019 15:00 (one week ago) link

and I mean that just on a technical level, he is a very fleet-fingered and versatile player.

Οὖτις, Friday, 13 September 2019 15:01 (one week ago) link

I said "Royal Trux are a terrible band" and also "I love them", I at no point cast aspersions on Neil's guitar capabilities (and I wouldn't see why his capabilities on the guitar would have any bearing on whether his band is terrible or not, and whether or not I love them)

flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 13 September 2019 15:28 (one week ago) link

I do not understand why you cannot comprehend that somebody might have a more complicated relationship to a piece of music than simply "I love this, and thus the band is good, and thus Neil Hagerty is a really fucking good guitar player". There is stuff that exists that is not good, and I love it, and it is not good for reasons that are more complicated than Neil Hagerty's guitar chops, and I love it for more complicated reasons than x-y-z, possibly because I enjoy being the sort of person who listens to Twin Infinitives once a year at the very least as an ear-cleaning exercise.

And I am extremely not wrong about The Goslings. That is some goddamn terrible music, the worst I've ever heard, maybe and probably.

flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 13 September 2019 15:32 (one week ago) link

The literal only way I could communicate my love for Twin Infinitives was a very candid admission that I chew undigested sesame seeds that I find on my buttocks in the shower and I enjoy it

I do not understand at which point in the creation of this metaphor that I might have suggested that Neil Hagerty's fingers were not fleet

flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 13 September 2019 15:34 (one week ago) link

I guess I don't understand what you think is "not good" about something you love. that division between quality and appreciation doesn't make any sense to me.

Οὖτις, Friday, 13 September 2019 15:48 (one week ago) link

Really? Music that I really love, like, say, Tori Amos or David Bowie, I have a far deeper understanding about what is good and what is bad about it. One might perceive that I'm actually not-a-fan of Amos or Bowie because I might speak about them so critically, but it's not the case at all-- the engagement I have with their work is far deeper, and I'm better able to analyze and understand and so on

I mean, case in point, I'm a huge fan of Sufjan, but that fandom only happened with Adz, and with C&L he's like... one of the greatest living songwriters. I say this as somebody who would roll their eyes when Chicago started playing on the cafe speakers when I was trying to enjoy some brunch. Critical engagement is a sign of respect, as far as I'm concerned

flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 13 September 2019 16:38 (one week ago) link

you're really wrong on Vuh. you may not like it but most people do and it's not an album that in any way shape or form fits this thread.

akm, Friday, 13 September 2019 16:54 (one week ago) link

Well

That was one of like seven albums I posited as fitting this thread. Eno's "The Drop" is surely the cake

flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 13 September 2019 17:04 (one week ago) link

I don't imagine many here have heard it, but I dragged out Steve Harley's Hobo with a Grin because of this thread, and it still sucks. I love all the early Cockney Rebel stuff, but this is so stuffed with LA session hacks, uninspired songwriting and bad singing, it's just ghastly. And Steve agreed:

"I looked at that LP the other day – looking is enough. I can't bear to listen to it. It's the worst thing I've ever done. I just want to forget about it. Trash. In fact, I'm getting the old Cockney Rebel band together for a concert in London at the end of this month. And there won't be one song from the "Hobo with a Grin" LP in the set."[11]

confusementalism (Dan Peterson), Friday, 13 September 2019 17:37 (one week ago) link

xxp I actually get what you are saying about Royal Trux, think you make a good point, and personally interact the same way with Bob Drake's music.

campreverb, Friday, 13 September 2019 17:47 (one week ago) link

The Drop doesn't really fix this either. It's not that left-field. It's not super memorable but it's hardly way way way out of the ordinary weird and bad for him.

akm, Friday, 13 September 2019 19:26 (one week ago) link

Modulate by Bob Mould might fit though. I don't like it. I dont' know anyone who does. Maybe someone does.

akm, Friday, 13 September 2019 19:32 (one week ago) link

The Wedding Present's Ukranian album probably qualifies.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 13 September 2019 20:27 (one week ago) link

Really wish I could un-read fgti's little yarn

#YABASIC (morrisp), Friday, 13 September 2019 20:33 (one week ago) link

Might be some Piano Magic and I'd be surprised if Kozelek doesn't have something that would fit someday.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 13 September 2019 21:03 (one week ago) link

I guess this kind of doesn't count, but it's not far away. As much as I adored Yeah Yeah Yeahs in the 00's - they made 3 fucking great albums, the reviews (and cover, g'damn) of Mosquito made it so I've never actually heard it.

Maybe that's off course? They didn't come back from it. Is it worth hearing?

kraudive, Friday, 13 September 2019 21:35 (one week ago) link

^Albums you have spurned

#YABASIC (morrisp), Friday, 13 September 2019 21:42 (one week ago) link

Still not sure if albums from bands that have had a significant membership change should count here. Nevertheless, the J Geils Band released an album without Peter Wolf and the results were this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=289lzL6Eit8

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 13 September 2019 21:49 (one week ago) link

xp I spurned yes. Is it worth my time going there? I've literally not heard good word of it.

kraudive, Friday, 13 September 2019 21:50 (one week ago) link

Really wish I could un-read fgti's little yarn

― #YABASIC (morrisp), Friday, September 13, 2019 1:33 PM (one hour ago)

rude

Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Friday, 13 September 2019 21:52 (one week ago) link

Nevertheless, the J Geils Band released an album without Peter Wolf and the results were this:

I remember that getting some FM airplay when it came out, for about a week. And iirc, Rolling Stone gave the album four stars, for some reason.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 13 September 2019 23:08 (one week ago) link

Piano Magic choice would probably be ‘Writers Without Homes’, except (a) i don’t really get why it is *so* bad and hated; (b) to the extent that I do get it, the complaint seems to be ‘it’s too Piano Magic’; and (c) I have no idea where its rep now sits vis a vis all the post-Disaffected albums that hardly anyone heard.

OTOH it’s a good choice in that they then rebounded with perhaps their best album in The Troubled Sleep Of..., give or take Low Birth Weight.

Tim F, Saturday, 14 September 2019 00:25 (six days ago) link

re: Kozelek i've gotten the impression that everything he's done after Benji has been too off course for me to bother with and the little i have heard of those records has been truly baffling

ufo, Saturday, 14 September 2019 00:43 (six days ago) link

Writers is an amazing album and I think everyone likes it except Glen and that’s mostly to donate 4ad

akm, Saturday, 14 September 2019 01:11 (six days ago) link

I remember that getting some FM airplay when it came out, for about a week. And iirc, Rolling Stone gave the album four stars, for some reason.

― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat)

because they never give four or five star reviews to shitty records by "classic rock" bands obviously past their sell-by date..

sock fingering, baby (rushomancy), Saturday, 14 September 2019 01:34 (six days ago) link

Rude

Lol no it’s fine, I’ve replaced booze with weed in my life and I’m enjoying some giggly stoned late night moments

flamboyant goon tie included, Saturday, 14 September 2019 01:45 (six days ago) link

there are a fair few Sufjan albums that fit this well enough but The Age of Adz is absolutely not one of them, despite being a left-turn, and is his best work. Enjoy Your Rabbit fits in every way except it dates back to before his breakthrough with Michigan, but it's roundly ignored in his discography for more reasons than that, being an instrumental electronic album that bears no resemblance to the rest of his work and isn't that good. there's also The BQE, which is also very ignored as it's the instrumental score to a film he made. it's not as much of a departure as Enjoy Your Rabbit is and the combination of electronics and orchestration did signal the direction he went in with Age of Adz, but it still doesn't really resemble his song-based work that much.

― ufo, Thursday, September 12, 2019 10:23 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

I have tried and tried with The Age of Adz but for me it belongs in this list.

― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, September 12, 2019 1:17 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

Age of Adz is my favorite Sufjan record by a longshot. It's his true masterpiece (to date) in my opinion, and it feels more fitting for these times than it did when it was initially released, not to mention having aged beautifully. For an album to begin with a song like "Futile Devices" that explodes into this fantastic odyssey, and then to not just close with a song like "Impossible Soul," but to end with album with that final movement that brings you back down to earth and closes the capsule. Beautiful stuff.

winters (josh), Saturday, 14 September 2019 08:46 (six days ago) link

I may have scrolled too fast, but Madonna I'm Breathless fits the bill (though I'll always rep for "Hanky Panky").

Also Kevin Ayers As Close As You Think. Never reissued, hard to find, never referenced even by diehard fans, and a terrible album that sounds foisted upon him during the nadir of his addiction.

mike t-diva, Saturday, 14 September 2019 19:11 (six days ago) link

I don't know what it means that I'm Breathless is my most-listened to Madonna album (also Ciccone Youth along with the s/t EP for Sonic Youth)

flamboyant goon tie included, Saturday, 14 September 2019 19:14 (six days ago) link

Tangerine Dream's Cyclone (1978) is unusual in that it has rock drums and a vocalist. It's odd - the basic sound is similar to the band's late-70s analogue records, but the sequencers are in the background more and there are lengthy flute solos. Unfortunately the vocalist sounds like a drunk man who broke into the studio and shouted over the backing tapes.

I've always wondered how fans of Lush think of the band. They started off as a shoegazing band, but for their one big commercial success they became cheeky cockney Britpop kids, and then they broke up, and when they came back in 2016 - "Out of Control" is really good! - they were shoegazing again. I assume they switched back to their former sound because Slowdive demonstrated that shoegaze was hip once more. Do Lush fans ignore Lovelife? When I was a kid Lush was the band that did "Single Girl" and the one about the Fiat 500 and the other one, but I realise now that Britpop Lush was an aberration.

What does "Out of Control" remind me of? It sounds like something else.

Ashley Pomeroy, Sunday, 15 September 2019 18:04 (five days ago) link

In the Lush thread there was a linked piece by Miki and it suggested to me that the "cheeky" approach was at least in part a reaction to how some critics were treating their more vulnerable songs.

Also on that thread I said "Out Of Control" reminded me of some Ween songs but I don't expect anyone else to agree.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 15 September 2019 19:46 (five days ago) link


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