Bob Dylan - Time Out of Mind

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Solid album. Quite dark.

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Highlands 9
Not Dark Yet 9
Cold Irons Bound 4
Make You Feel My Love 3
Tryin' To Get To Heaven 3
Can't Wait 2
Love Sick 2
Standing In The Doorway 1
'Til I Fell In Love With You 1
Million Miles 0
Dirt Road Blues 0


corrs unplugged, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 09:21 (two weeks ago) link

Really just wanted a thread to post quotes from those great Uncut articles surrounding the release of Tell Tale Signs.

Here's one about a demo I'd like to extract from the Lanois vault

But then, finally, the next day, he comes in and he plays this song on the piano called “Can’t Wait”.

And this is a *gospel* version of the song. Tony, he hears it, and he just went over to the drumkit and he started playing this groove with him, this kind of hip-hop beat, a real sexy groove, and Bob is hammering out this gospel kind of piano and really singing, and, again, the hair on my arms went up, it was stunning. Luckily, I was recording, and I caught it. He played one verse, and a chorus, and that was it.

https://www.uncut.co.uk/features/bob-dylan-tell-tale-signs-special-mark-howard-37964

corrs unplugged, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 09:23 (two weeks ago) link

and why not revisit this classic live-in-the-studio performance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hO-83CIVKM

corrs unplugged, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 09:23 (two weeks ago) link

voted Highlands, gotta turn up the sound

corrs unplugged, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 09:23 (two weeks ago) link

that John Lee Hooker groove

corrs unplugged, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 09:24 (two weeks ago) link

an I don’t know
how much longer
I CAN WAIT

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 12:47 (two weeks ago) link

I remember the first time I heard this record. A friend of mine was reviewing it for a high-profile mag, so he had a way-early advance. I was doing some work for him when he mentioned he had the new Dylan. I think I scrunched up my face and asked "is it any good?" And he said "yeah, it's actually really good." So I put it on while I worked and was indeed impressed.

I can't remember if it was this one or "Oh Mercy" where Lanois had Dylan and his band set up in the studio, but all the effects and stuff set up in a different room, so Dylan and band would just hear their live sound but Lanois was sneakily fiddling with the sonics, Eno-style, out of sight. There was a great interview in a recent TapeOp that contained a perfect Dylan story:

What were some pivotal sessions for you there?

I got to do a Bob Dylan session at Sear. I was told it would be five to ten musicians, Bob doesn't want to wear headphones, and don't talk to him. That was the only information I had. I set up a bunch of microphones in the live room. As the band started showing up, I'd put a microphone in front of them. It was a touring band at the time, and Al Kooper playing organ. It was a song for a TV movie soundtrack. Then Dylan shows up, walks right into the live room, and grabbed a microphone I had up as a room mic. I think it was an RCA 77, and he started running through the song. Then he said, "Let's record one." I got on the talkback and said, "I recorded that, if you want to hear it." He was totally nice to me after that. He's like, "That's great!" It was a nice, painless session. A really good experience.

Plus, you did the right thing. You recorded early.

I recorded early. Then he said, "Is that the rankest mic you've got for the vocals?" I said, "I think so!" He's like, "Okay, good." That was the vocal mic that he used.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 13:20 (two weeks ago) link

(Interview was with Tom Schick, not Lanois, fwiw)

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 13:21 (two weeks ago) link

I generally dislike Lanois, with the exception of Le Noise and maybe one or two others. His approach here really tests my patience at times, sounding like a digital preset labeled "FAUX-SWAMPY."

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 14:43 (two weeks ago) link

Went with "Highlands." Almost voted "Cold Irons Bound," but as great as it is, I much prefer the live versions.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 14:44 (two weeks ago) link

“Not Dark Yet” is my favorite song on the album, songwriting-wise, but probably going with “Highlands.”

... (Eazy), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 14:49 (two weeks ago) link

Not Dark yet.

akm, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 14:55 (two weeks ago) link

sounding like a digital preset labeled "FAUX-SWAMPY."
haha, i like lanois generally, but i know what you mean.
definitely recommend anyone who likes TOOM to read the Ballad of Bob Dylan, which has a long section about the sessions for the record. Some interesting/weird approaches ... apparently they started out playing along to loops of old blues recordings (i think maybe dirt road blues is the only one that made it to the record)

tylerw, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 15:03 (two weeks ago) link

Weirdly Lanois is a surprisingly analog guy, and while he does use effects he's often just using overdriven amps and built in reverbs and tremolos and stuff. And the room sound.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 15:08 (two weeks ago) link

This is Highlands by a lot for me.

kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 15:16 (two weeks ago) link

solid album, thanks for reminding me. i'll have a listen tonight.

je est un autre, l'enfer c'est les autres (alex in mainhattan), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 15:17 (two weeks ago) link

for some reason I have never listened to this record

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 15:17 (two weeks ago) link

Funny how Dylan explains how Lanois had to coax songs out of him during the recording of Oh Mercy yet this is a duller bag of wind/atmospheres.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 15:21 (two weeks ago) link

hence the seismic shock of Love and Theft

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 15:22 (two weeks ago) link

Seismic shock?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 15:49 (two weeks ago) link

Cobwebs cleared, songs funny, Dylan on point, band distinct.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 15:50 (two weeks ago) link

I'll give you the first and last.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 15:54 (two weeks ago) link

definitely some funny moments lurking beneath the murk.
outtakes from this record on Tell Tale Signs are fantastic.

tylerw, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 16:28 (two weeks ago) link

I've a soft spot for Tryin To Get To Heaven. Will relisten

Duke, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 16:31 (two weeks ago) link

Keepers:

Tryin' to Get to Heaven
Not Dark Yet
Highlands
Cold Iron Bounds

I can't STAND "To Make You Feel My Love." Every album from this period had a Bob-at-the-piano ballad whose virtue was anonymity. Garth Brooks, Billy Joel, Bryan Ferry are among the artists who have covered a plaint so generic that Garth Brooks, Billy Joel, and Bryan Ferry sing it exactly the same.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 16:35 (two weeks ago) link

it is completely crazy that "to make you feel my love" is (via covers) among his most well-known songs. i bet bob can't even believe it. he probably likes all the $$$ though.

tylerw, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 16:38 (two weeks ago) link

Probably due to this album or Emmylou's "Wrecking Ball", every "serious" country album nowadays has a Lanois song bathed in atmospherics.

Heez, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 16:54 (two weeks ago) link

I can't STAND "To Make You Feel My Love."

I've never been able to figure out if it's a piss-take, a sincere attempt at writing something in that vein, a possible bid for a hit single, or none (or all) of the above.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 16:58 (two weeks ago) link

xpost I think it's actually the pervasiveness of (80s) U2 styled arena rock affectation.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 17:04 (two weeks ago) link

Tryin' to Get to Heaven is so good.

Some trains don't pull no gamblers
No midnight ramblers like they did before
I been to sugar town, I shook the sugar down
Now I'm trying to get to heaven before they close the door

Lily Dale, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 17:31 (two weeks ago) link

TMYFML brought in some sweet Adele bucks too.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 17:36 (two weeks ago) link

I understand its popularity among singers: it's one of the few times they can sing one of his melodies without parodying him.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 17:39 (two weeks ago) link

My heart’s in the highlands

J. Sam, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 17:48 (two weeks ago) link

i love the groove of till i fell in love with you

je est un autre, l'enfer c'est les autres (alex in mainhattan), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 17:50 (two weeks ago) link

"i was all right till i fell in love with you", isn't that a kind of super succinct cv which says all?

je est un autre, l'enfer c'est les autres (alex in mainhattan), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 17:54 (two weeks ago) link

"it's not dark yet but it's getting there". when i heard him sing that line i thought he is just about to say good-bye and pack it in. this was 22 years ago, i think he exaggerated there a wee bit, as usual...

je est un autre, l'enfer c'est les autres (alex in mainhattan), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 17:57 (two weeks ago) link

Just think: twenty-two years before TOOM he was about to release Desire and had finished a leg of the Rolling Thunder Revue.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 18:02 (two weeks ago) link

xp: and?

I can't STAND "To Make You Feel My Love."
i don't care whatever it is or is supposed to be. it is far away from his usual stuff, beyond his horizon. more emotional, hitting something - for my lack of fitting adjectives - deep. it sticks out of this album like a thumb up. normally i hate ballads but this one somehow gets me. you can't deny that the melody is so beautiful that it almost hurts.

je est un autre, l'enfer c'est les autres (alex in mainhattan), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 18:32 (two weeks ago) link

I sure can deny it, and I'll deny it three times until the cock crows for me.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 18:33 (two weeks ago) link

ok, so your taste is different from mine, that is absolutely fine. though i do not understand what you have against the melody.

je est un autre, l'enfer c'est les autres (alex in mainhattan), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 18:38 (two weeks ago) link

This album rules

brimstead, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 18:56 (two weeks ago) link

Not to pile on, but for me the melody of TMYFML is pure doggerel. I can’t believe it made the album - but if it didn’t, no doubt it would have come out on Tell Tale Signs and we’d all be hailing it as another “Blind Willie McTell”.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 20:05 (two weeks ago) link

and just to be clear I otherwise ADORE this record and wish I had 5 or 6 votes

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 20:06 (two weeks ago) link

tmyfml reminds me of another song, i think, but i have no clue which one. it sounds better when he doesn't sing and you only hear the keyboards and the organ. usually his songs are carried by his voice but here it is different. the last twenty instrumental seconds are like a door to heaven. sorry for being so pathetic. i voted for another song.

je est un autre, l'enfer c'est les autres (alex in mainhattan), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 20:17 (two weeks ago) link

Not to pile on, but for me the melody of TMYFML is pure doggerel. I can’t believe it made the album - but if it didn’t, no doubt it would have come out on Tell Tale Signs and we’d all be hailing it as another “Blind Willie McTell”.

yeah no

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 20:18 (two weeks ago) link

One of his better Anonymous Piano Ballads: "I'll Remember You." "Born in Time" is almost memorable.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 20:18 (two weeks ago) link

also: Tell Tale Signs has forgettable crap on it too

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 20:19 (two weeks ago) link

a few good alternate live renditions of TOOM songs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w9fUZZfA78

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hO-83CIVKM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ilOOisEHnw

tylerw, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 20:21 (two weeks ago) link

but for me the melody of TMYFML is pure doggerel

my english isn't good enough to get this. isn't doggerel a kind of rhyme? what does it have to do with a tune?

je est un autre, l'enfer c'est les autres (alex in mainhattan), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 20:23 (two weeks ago) link

One of his better Anonymous Piano Ballads: "I'll Remember You

i don't think so. it is boring as hell, totally pointless. it sounds like the archetype of a tuneless, schmaltzy, grandiloquent ballad. i can see now our tastes are really very different.

je est un autre, l'enfer c'est les autres (alex in mainhattan), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 20:31 (two weeks ago) link

I'm in Boston town, in some restaurant
I got no idea what I want

J. Sam, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 20:57 (two weeks ago) link

No way does it belong in his top tier, but a C is better than a D-.

xpost

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 21:09 (two weeks ago) link

Also, the gospel vocals and guitar licks on "I'll Remember You" help, notably in the tug they give the middle eight ("Didn't I sleep, didn't I weep beside you/With the rain blowing in your haaaaiiirrrr?").

If you think gospel is "schmaltz," then our dictionaries are different.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 21:11 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah I thought twice about using “doggerel” but I’m pretty tired and it was the word which conveyed a sense of rote cliché at the time. And Alfred I was being a touch sarcastic there.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 21:13 (two weeks ago) link

gospel is blues with a religious base, i can't hear that in that song. though i must admit that most of the time i prefer the idea of gospel to its' execution. weirdly enough on sunday mornings i love gospel though. additionaly i am not a fan of dylan's christian phase at all.

je est un autre, l'enfer c'est les autres (alex in mainhattan), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 21:47 (two weeks ago) link

gospel is blues

hm no

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 21:49 (two weeks ago) link

I mean sometimes it is but not always

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 21:50 (two weeks ago) link

probably should be an ILM dylan thread drinking game to see how long it takes for alfred to bring up empire burlesque (and for me to start posting bootlegs)

tylerw, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 21:52 (two weeks ago) link

would also have accepted Street Legal

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 21:52 (two weeks ago) link

gospel is blues with a religious base

With respect, this isn't the least bit true.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 21:56 (two weeks ago) link

it may be a simplification but there is a link between those two. both of them have a strong effect on the listener. blues does not preach, it only tells the facts whereas gospel does preach in a kind of worshipping way.

je est un autre, l'enfer c'est les autres (alex in mainhattan), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 22:09 (two weeks ago) link

I think even if you were restricting yr definition of gospel to African Americans that still wouldn't really hold true, if we're considering the actual musicological aspects of blues (melodic patterns, blues scale, specific chord progressions) there's lots of gospel that doesn't include those elements.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 22:12 (two weeks ago) link

both styles are very broad and overlap, but one is not a subset of the other

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 22:14 (two weeks ago) link

did someone say......STREET LEGAL?

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 23:15 (two weeks ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6i6Pbpc0z4

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 23:18 (two weeks ago) link

I like Robyn Hitchcock's "Not Dark Yet" cover:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPXlZ_sKb-Y

... (Eazy), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 23:52 (two weeks ago) link

Solid album. Quite dark.


dank too. it’s his goth/dub record

brimstead, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 23:54 (two weeks ago) link

that live version of cold irons bound upthread is crazy good.

my favs are that one, not dark yet, and standing in the doorway. agree with the chatter about make you feel my love, was requested to play that during a wedding ceremony and nearly fell asleep at the piano.

normal fucking rockman (voodoo chili), Thursday, 5 September 2019 00:07 (two weeks ago) link

Oh and pardon self-xposting but another good "Not Dark Yet" in a different way:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5ixkCXSI7M

... (Eazy), Thursday, 5 September 2019 00:13 (two weeks ago) link

I miss Dylan playing guitar.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 September 2019 01:41 (two weeks ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 00:01 (one week ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 00:01 (one week ago) link

oh, i was the only voter for the song i voted for, interesting.

je est un autre, l'enfer c'est les autres (alex in mainhattan), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 05:32 (one week ago) link


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