Follow-ups that could almost be part twos of classic albums

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I recently saw someone describe hearing Lick My Decals Off Baby for the first time as "like discovering Trout Mask Replica has sides 5 and 6," which made me think of some other examples where a band's most famous/"classic" album was followed up by a very similar-sounding and similarly good album. In some of these cases the follow-up album feels almost like a more *extreme* version of the classic album, and it seems like a lot of the band's hardcore fans prefer the follow-up.

These are ones I always group together in my head:

GBV: Bee Thousand + Alien Lanes
Sparks: Kimono My House + Propaganda
The dB's: Stands for Decibels + Repercussion
TMBG: Flood + Apollo 18
God Bless Tiny Tim + Tiny Tim's 2nd Album
Blur: Parklife + The Great Escape
Loudon Wainwright's first two albums

I kind of want to say Marquee Moon and Adventure too, but I know a lot of people think Adventure pales in comparison to MM. Don't think I've ever listened to A Day at the Races but I'm assuming it was meant to be kind of a part two to A Night at the Opera. Not sure how successful it was if that's the case.

Any other examples? I feel like there must be a bunch I'm missing.

Vaguely Threatening CAPTCHAs, Thursday, 29 August 2019 16:51 (two weeks ago) link

Tusk feels like a natural extension of Rumors to me.

George Harrison confused Revolver and Rubber Soul and felt like they were two sides of the same coin but I disagree completely.

akm, Thursday, 29 August 2019 16:54 (two weeks ago) link

A number of Roxy Music albums after the first two feel this way to me as well.

akm, Thursday, 29 August 2019 16:55 (two weeks ago) link

Amnesiac is a good example

jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Thursday, 29 August 2019 17:00 (two weeks ago) link

B-52's and Wild Planet feel like they sprang up together. It helps that the band deliberately held some of their early songs for the second album.

jmm, Thursday, 29 August 2019 17:15 (two weeks ago) link

^ Devo's first two are like that, and so are Van Halen's first two

Josefa, Thursday, 29 August 2019 17:44 (two weeks ago) link

^ Violent Femmes first two albums are p much all songs that Gordon Gano wrote in high school. The other two members made him keep the Jesusy songs off the first one, in favour of horny songs, then had to fall back on 'em when he hadn't written enough new stuff by the second.

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, 29 August 2019 17:52 (two weeks ago) link

X: Los Angeles & Wild Gift (and probably Under The Big Black Sun & More Fun In The New World)

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 29 August 2019 17:54 (two weeks ago) link

First two Talking Heads albums?

Stub yr toe on the yacht rock (morrisp), Thursday, 29 August 2019 17:55 (two weeks ago) link

Yoshimi Battles The Pink Robots is the second album by the band that made The Soft Bulletin, as opposed to earlier Flaming Lips.

Not a strict part two in sound, but Check Your Head -> Ill Communication is the only time in 29 years that the Beastie Boys ever followed up an album or EP with another record in the same style.

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, 29 August 2019 17:56 (two weeks ago) link

Sticky Fingers and Exile maybe?

Vaguely Threatening CAPTCHAs, Thursday, 29 August 2019 19:43 (two weeks ago) link

In the Court of the Crimson King -> In the Wake of Poseidon is sort of an obvious example

Van der Graaf Generator - Godbluff -> Still Life

Cornelius - Point -> Sensuous

frogbs, Thursday, 29 August 2019 19:49 (two weeks ago) link

First two Talking Heads albums?

Maybe the songwriting is, but the shift from Bongiovi to Eno sounds transformative to me in terms of the band's assurance. 77 sounds like a novelty album by comparison.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 29 August 2019 20:04 (two weeks ago) link

Strokes: Is This It + Room on Fire

Aglet, Thursday, 29 August 2019 20:08 (two weeks ago) link

Okkervil River - The Stage Names -> The Stand-Ins. Will Sheff regards the albums as a pair, almost like a double album in fact.

Wholeheartedly disagree with the VdGG suggestion upthread.

van dyke parks generator (anagram), Thursday, 29 August 2019 20:35 (two weeks ago) link

The Cars followed by Candy-O.

(Am I doing this right?)

Vape Store (crüt), Thursday, 29 August 2019 22:00 (two weeks ago) link

I think The Cars fall under the B-52s / Van Halen category mentioned upthread.

Vape Store (crüt), Thursday, 29 August 2019 22:03 (two weeks ago) link

X fits there too I think

Colonel Poo, Thursday, 29 August 2019 22:12 (two weeks ago) link

Built to Spill's Perfect From Now On and Keep It Like a Secret? Although I would switch the order of which one was part 1 and 2.

☮ (peace, man), Thursday, 29 August 2019 23:19 (two weeks ago) link

Wholeheartedly disagree with the VdGG suggestion upthread.

― van dyke parks generator (anagram)

idk "la rossa" was literally recorded during the godbluff sessions, right?

not an album but "easy to slip away" is a "part two" to "refugees"

Abigail, Wife of Preserved Fish (rushomancy), Thursday, 29 August 2019 23:21 (two weeks ago) link

The Jimi Hendrix Experience: Are You Experienced? followed by Axis: Bold As Love.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 30 August 2019 00:10 (two weeks ago) link

I wouldn't put Television's Adventure in this category - not bc I think it pales in comparison to MM, but it's got a very different sound & feel to my ears

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Friday, 30 August 2019 00:15 (two weeks ago) link

1st 2 B52s albums are pretty perfect for this though - I can never remember which songs are on which record

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Friday, 30 August 2019 00:17 (two weeks ago) link

#1 Record/Radio City. I heard them first on the two-fer CD and it's just one big album to me.

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Friday, 30 August 2019 01:24 (two weeks ago) link

^good one

The Fearless Thread Killers (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 30 August 2019 01:27 (two weeks ago) link

it was my experience too hearing them first on the CD that combined the two

Dan S, Friday, 30 August 2019 01:33 (two weeks ago) link

American Beauty and Workingman’s Dead ftw imo

tobo73, Friday, 30 August 2019 01:38 (two weeks ago) link

those do seem like companion classic albums

Dan S, Friday, 30 August 2019 01:46 (two weeks ago) link

first three Cheap Trick albums

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 30 August 2019 01:57 (two weeks ago) link

murmur/reckoning

mookieproof, Friday, 30 August 2019 02:22 (two weeks ago) link

I don't agree w the Built to Spill ones tbh

I did always feel a strong connection btwn The Boatman's Call and No More Shall We Part, like the latter is a sort of burrowed elaboration of the formee

Simon H., Friday, 30 August 2019 02:29 (two weeks ago) link

Alien Lanes is completely different animal than Bee Thousand and to conflate the two is pure laziness

calstars, Friday, 30 August 2019 02:36 (two weeks ago) link

xp think you're right about the Nick Cave albums

Dan S, Friday, 30 August 2019 02:38 (two weeks ago) link

murmur/reckoning

My turn to disagree; these are v distinct

Stub yr toe on the yacht rock (morrisp), Friday, 30 August 2019 02:42 (two weeks ago) link

X, Hendrix: totally wrong. Huge leaps made in both cases.

The second Kvelertak album is literally called Mer (“more” in Norwegian) and it’s pretty much a clone of the debut - same producer and everything. Also, how am I the first person to mention the first three Ramones albums, which might as well have been the product of a single marathon session?

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Friday, 30 August 2019 02:45 (two weeks ago) link

xp chronic town / murmur are more similar imo, but there's even a significant progression between those two

Dan S, Friday, 30 August 2019 02:46 (two weeks ago) link

All the Mazzy Star albums (thanks PBKR for the prompt)

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Friday, 30 August 2019 02:47 (two weeks ago) link

Peeps be stretchin itt

calstars, Friday, 30 August 2019 02:47 (two weeks ago) link

challenge: propose album companions that were not made sequentially. example: the Manics' Holy Bible and Journal for Plague Lovers

Simon H., Friday, 30 August 2019 02:48 (two weeks ago) link

First Cheap Trick v different from second and third imo

Οὖτις, Friday, 30 August 2019 02:49 (two weeks ago) link

xp Bat Out of Hell I, II, & III(?)

Stub yr toe on the yacht rock (morrisp), Friday, 30 August 2019 02:50 (two weeks ago) link

I feel like that's cheating, but then again I kinda did too

Simon H., Friday, 30 August 2019 02:52 (two weeks ago) link

see also Harvest and Harvest Moon

Simon H., Friday, 30 August 2019 02:53 (two weeks ago) link

idk Parklife is classic, The Great Escape scattered and wholly subpar imo

world's #1 piece of shit (rip van wanko), Friday, 30 August 2019 02:53 (two weeks ago) link

well yeah, but MLIR->Parklife->TGE are structurally and tonally very connected, I don't think that can be denied

Simon H., Friday, 30 August 2019 02:57 (two weeks ago) link

the s/t and 13 feel like a combo as well, the "American" records

Simon H., Friday, 30 August 2019 03:00 (two weeks ago) link

Musick to Play in the Dark wasn't presented as a Volume 1 when it was released as far as I know, (although The Wire listed it as such near the top of their year-end poll in 1999). When Volume 2 came out a year later it seemed like an augmentation of its brilliance

Dan S, Friday, 30 August 2019 03:03 (two weeks ago) link

Toys > Rocks maybe, maybe

calstars, Friday, 30 August 2019 03:21 (two weeks ago) link

The Boatman's Call and No More Shall We Part

otm

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Friday, 30 August 2019 04:22 (two weeks ago) link

Suffer + No Control

ArchCarrier, Friday, 30 August 2019 07:40 (two weeks ago) link

Yes to the Band and the Beatles.

☮ (peace, man), Friday, 30 August 2019 16:07 (two weeks ago) link

The almost complete absence of Chris Bell on Radio City kind of makes the first two Big Star records seem quite as much of a unit IMO

PaulTMA, Friday, 30 August 2019 16:12 (two weeks ago) link

"I don't see much talk about TVotR on ILM - how do folks around here rate them?"

I love them, I think there's a fair number of people who feel the same. They only release an album every three years or so though and they're not huge so there isn't tons of active discussion on them.

akm, Friday, 30 August 2019 16:21 (two weeks ago) link

xp yeah, I kind of ruled out the Big Star albums for that reason, but at the same time I do often forget which album some of the songs are on, so a case could probably be made.

challenge: propose album companions that were not made sequentially. example: the Manics' Holy Bible and Journal for Plague Lovers

This is pretty hard! I guess Guero was kind of thought of as an attempt to get back to the Odelay sound, but they're pretty different. Solo Piano I and II by Chilly Gonzales, but that's cheating. Maybe I Can Hear the Heart Beating as One and I Am Not Afraid of You and I Will Beat Your Ass?

Another (possibly too easy) challenge: follow-ups to to classics that are of similar quality but don't sound the same at all. Something/Anything -> A Wizard, a True Star might be the best example I can think of. Or OK Computer -> Kid A. The Blue Album and Pinkerton, Definitely Maybe and What's the Story would probably work. The first two (or more) De La Soul albums. Lonesome Crowded West and The Moon and Antarctica.

Vaguely Threatening CAPTCHAs, Saturday, 31 August 2019 15:50 (two weeks ago) link

Weezer's Green album is odd as it sounds like it could have preceeded the blue album due it's relative simplicity/streamlined approach (see also: The Strokes 'Room On Fire')

PaulTMA, Saturday, 31 August 2019 17:08 (two weeks ago) link

Bands generally get tighter / more professional over time, rather than sloppier, no? Hard to imagine blue coming after green (Is This It also sounds like a classic debut album to me).

Stub yr toe on the yacht rock (morrisp), Saturday, 31 August 2019 17:23 (two weeks ago) link

Drive-By Truckers Decoration Day and The Dirty South are very much of a piece.

kornrulez6969, Saturday, 31 August 2019 17:36 (two weeks ago) link

Fly Like An Eagle and Book of Dreams. I think they were recorded at the same time as well.

henry s, Saturday, 31 August 2019 18:38 (two weeks ago) link

Elvis Presley, From Elvis in Memphis (1969) was the classic album, and then his next release was the double lp From Memphis to Vegas, From Vegas to Memphis from which one disc was material taken from the same sessions as From Elvis in Memphis

Josefa, Saturday, 31 August 2019 18:56 (two weeks ago) link

...and the sameness of the two releases was acknowledged by RCA when they basically reissued all of that material on one CD called The Memphis Record in the '80s

Josefa, Saturday, 31 August 2019 18:59 (two weeks ago) link

Beach Boys: Smiley Smile & Wild Honey; Sunflower & Surf's Up

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 31 August 2019 19:04 (two weeks ago) link

Elvis Presley, From Elvis in Memphis (1969) was the classic album, and then his next release was the double lp From Memphis to Vegas, From Vegas to Memphis from which one disc was material taken from the same sessions as From Elvis in Memphis

...and the sameness of the two releases was acknowledged by RCA when they basically reissued all of that material on one CD called The Memphis Record in the '80s

The studio material from From Memphis... was also later re-released as Back in Memphis. (The live stuff was re-released as From the International Hotel.)

What's most amazing to me about that batch of material is that "Suspicious Minds" was a non-LP single.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Saturday, 31 August 2019 19:21 (two weeks ago) link

It's kind of a constant refrain in Elvis's career that his non-movie LPs might have sold more and been more esteemed if RCA would've attached the concurrent singles to them

Josefa, Saturday, 31 August 2019 19:36 (two weeks ago) link

Apropos of From Elvis In Memphis, I see there is a new release of related outtakes called American Sound 1969, which seems to contain more tracks than even Big Star’s Complete Third.

The Fearless Thread Killers (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 31 August 2019 20:54 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah, it's on Spotify - I started digging into it. It's a lot like the Stooges Fun House box - take after take after take of the same song, until Elvis starts laughing or loses his place and they count it off again. Not super-edifying.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Saturday, 31 August 2019 20:55 (two weeks ago) link

I think I bought those two Big Star LPs around the same time and didn’t fully absorb either one before listening to the other one. It took me quite a while to enjoy listening to either one from beginning to end as a whole without zoning out and just focusing on individual tracks I liked, so I barely thought This Album and That Album, just This Track and That Track. For years I downplayed Chris Bell’s role and figured he was just the founder and foil for creative genius Alex (who horned in and took over) and his leaving didn’t make much difference anyway. Now that I have, um, refined my opinion and improved my understanding, I feel that on the second album they are still to some extent channeling Chris- not sure Alex ever wrote or made records the same way before or since- so his departure made much less of a difference than might have been expected, despite sonic/production changes mentioned upthread.

The Fearless Thread Killers (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 31 August 2019 21:12 (two weeks ago) link

Reproduction and Travelogue by The Human League feel this way to me. It definitely helps that I bought them on the same day.

Same goes for The Divine Comedy's Liberation and Promenade which I got around the same time. They were recorded and released very close together with extremely similar artwork. Promenade might be a bit more developed (the production is better for a start), but I always put them together. Especially as Neil never topped those albums.

kitchen person, Saturday, 31 August 2019 21:19 (two weeks ago) link

XP John Fry claimed about a third of Radio City was Chris co-writes that he declined to take credit for.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 31 August 2019 21:36 (two weeks ago) link

Thanks. Was just about to make another pass through the Bruce Eaton 33 1/3 book on Radio City to refresh my memory about things like that.

The Fearless Thread Killers (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 31 August 2019 21:42 (two weeks ago) link

Chris co-wrote “O My Soul” and “Back Of A Car” but, in what John Fry describes as “horsetrading,” Chris gave full credit to Alex in return for keeping full credit on two other songs, “There’s A Light” and “Got Kind Of Lost.” Chris later sent a letter to John Fry asking for credit on “those two songs” but didn’t say which, although Andy and Alex knew. All four songs were recorded on an early Radio City demo that went missing.

The Fearless Thread Killers (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 31 August 2019 22:43 (two weeks ago) link

Both of those last two, all four songs actually, can be heard on the Live At Lafayette’s Music Room album which came out last year.

The Fearless Thread Killers (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 31 August 2019 23:02 (two weeks ago) link

I think some of those demos popped up on the box set (alongside that concert).

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 31 August 2019 23:08 (two weeks ago) link

Oh yeah. Wonder if those are the same initial demos that were supposed to have been erased or later ones.

The Fearless Thread Killers (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 31 August 2019 23:29 (two weeks ago) link

Stevie Wonder - Talking Book / Innervisions.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 1 September 2019 12:19 (two weeks ago) link

The first two Magnetic Fields albums feel like this though the later album is perhaps a bit more jaunty. They obviously encouraged this impression by making the CD edition a twofer almost immediately. (And then by having Merritt finally singing his own songs by the third album.)

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Sunday, 1 September 2019 15:08 (two weeks ago) link

What about the first two Stooges LPs? genuine q, I don't really know them that well but as a teen I had this compilation that conflated them into one LP which felt pretty consistent.

umsworth (emsworth), Monday, 2 September 2019 09:17 (one week ago) link

The second Tindersticks album seems to fit into that scheme. More of the same but not quite as good, one obvious reason being that the sound wasn't new anymore.

je est un autre, l'enfer c'est les autres (alex in mainhattan), Monday, 2 September 2019 14:18 (one week ago) link

Kraftwerk 1 / Kraftwerk 2

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 2 September 2019 14:20 (one week ago) link

The first two Stooges albums feel fairly distinct to me in terms of rhythmic feel, production quality, and even instrumentation (sax on the latter album, some piano and viola on the earlier one).

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Monday, 2 September 2019 14:27 (one week ago) link

Achtung Baby/Zooropa

Johnny Fever, Monday, 2 September 2019 14:29 (one week ago) link

Stevie Wonder - Talking Book / Innervisions.

I always mentally group Innervisions with Fulfillingness' First Finale because the cover art styles are similar.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 2 September 2019 14:33 (one week ago) link

Another version of this would be "albums you got used to listening to on a single CD but which wouldn't otherwise sound like they should fit together" - for me The Soft Machine / Volume Two

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 2 September 2019 14:38 (one week ago) link

Spirit of Eden -> Laughing Stock

Duke, Monday, 2 September 2019 16:06 (one week ago) link

Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers – Damn the Torpedoes/Hard Promises

whalemusic, Tuesday, 3 September 2019 20:47 (one week ago) link

ZZ Top - Eliminator and Afterburner

confusementalism (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 20:51 (one week ago) link

The first two Magnetic Fields albums feel like this though the later album is perhaps a bit more jaunty. They obviously encouraged this impression by making the CD edition a twofer almost immediately. (And then by having Merritt finally singing his own songs by the third album.)

Also the artwork is super similar!

Vaguely Threatening CAPTCHAs, Tuesday, 3 September 2019 21:47 (one week ago) link

Fleetwood Mac: Future Games -> Bare Trees

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 00:14 (one week ago) link

the first two david axelrod albums —song of innocence + songs of experience— fit here pretty well.

bill evans has a couple, but i'm not sure if it's cheating to include them, as they were recorded at the same time and then split up into single lps later. the ones i'm thinking of are:
sunday at the village vanguard + waltz for debby
moonbeams + how my heart sings

would also like to mention some curtis mayfield in the form of:
back to the world + sweet exorcist (+ arguably even got to find a way)
and obviously curtis + roots

and finally, adrian borland and the sound:
shock of daylight + heads and hearts

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 15:41 (one week ago) link

Swordfishtrombones...Rain Dogs

fetter, Saturday, 7 September 2019 17:10 (one week ago) link

This came to mind last night, though it doesn't fit squarely within the parameters of this discussion: The Cult's Electric and the first Danzig album sound and feel like two chapters of the same story.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 7 September 2019 17:44 (one week ago) link

Cultosaurus Erectus and Fire Of Unknown Origin

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Monday, 9 September 2019 14:34 (six days ago) link

The Cult's Electric and the first Danzig album sound and feel like two chapters of the same story.

I've always felt similarly about Primal Scream's XTRMNTR and David Holmes' Bow Down to the Exit Sign.

fetter, Monday, 9 September 2019 16:42 (six days ago) link

How about the One Dove album as a sequel to Screamadelica?

Mark G, Monday, 9 September 2019 21:21 (six days ago) link

surely the sequel to XTRMNTR is Evil Heat?

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 9 September 2019 21:25 (six days ago) link

XTRMNTR was already kind of a sequel to Vanishing Point.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 9 September 2019 21:53 (six days ago) link

Dan Lissvik’s 7Trx & Taken By Trees - East of Eden

brotherlovesdub, Monday, 9 September 2019 21:59 (six days ago) link

why are you all so bad at this?

Talk Talk "Spirit of Eden" and "Laughingstock"

Οὖτις, Monday, 9 September 2019 22:04 (six days ago) link

see Duke's post a week ago!

Dan S, Monday, 9 September 2019 22:12 (six days ago) link

ah sorry I was control+f'ing Talk Talk

Οὖτις, Monday, 9 September 2019 22:13 (six days ago) link

Boston --> Don't Look Back

Lee626, Monday, 9 September 2019 23:11 (six days ago) link


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