the LiON KiNG: the GiFT <<>> where Beyoncé meets with Afropop

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New Lion King-related collaborative album out tomorrow, featuring, amongst others, African artists ranging from Wizkid to Busiswa to Shatta Wale:
― breastcrawl, donderdag 18 juli
2019 6:42

the film dialogue interludes are slightly distracting but the album is really good
― dyl, zaterdag 20 juli 2019 7:12

The thing I find really distracting is how much of a copy this is of Kendrick Lamars Black Panther soundtrack, except that one seemed pretty personal to him. I have no idea why Beyoncé would make a Lion King album, except that she's in the film. Some of the songs are good, though.
― Frederik B, zaterdag 20 juli 2019 15:08

My main hope for this is "Brown Skin Girl" becomes a massive hit, so I never have to see Wizkid's entire career summarized as "Drake’s 'One Dance' collaborator" again
― rob, zaterdag 20 juli 2019 17:40

i don't really care about it being a 'copy' of the black panther soundtrack - doing a film tie-in compilation/soundtrack album with more effort put into the curation and production than usual isn't really some wildly innovative idea. with the success of the black panther soundtrack i'm not at all surprised that others are doing something similar. there's not really a reason it needs to exist and i'd much rather a beyonce-does-afropop album as its own thing but since it does exist i'm glad it's quite good. it certainly seems to be by far the best thing related to the lion king remake.
"find your way", "jara ara e", "brown skin girl" and "my power" are the highlights
― ufo, zondag 21 juli 2019 12:17

likely deserves a thread? it's good.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), zondag 21 juli 2019 15:58

breastcrawl, Sunday, 21 July 2019 14:45 (one year ago) link

ufo said more or less what I wanted to say, but to expand on it a bit:
It’s a joy to hear Beyoncé in an African pop context and, simultaneously, to hear African artists and producers being taken seriously in a western pop context. Now I would say that, I guess, but it shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone who’s been paying attention how good of a fit this is. Here’s hoping this will become a new normal.

As for those producers: they include P2J (the Nigerian-UK producer who did both Burna’s “Anybody” and Goldlink’s “Zulu Screams”), who has five tracks, Northboi (of “Soco” fame), and gqom producer DJ Lag (who’s on “My Power”).

What is a surprise to me is that Beyoncé’s track with Shatta Wale (a huge star in Ghana, but who I’ve never really cared too much for) is actually shaping up to be my favourite of the bunch:

Beyoncé ft. Shatta Wale & Major Lazer • Already

breastcrawl, Sunday, 21 July 2019 14:46 (one year ago) link

Is the movie dialogue integrated or skippable?

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 21 July 2019 14:54 (one year ago) link

They’re separate tracks, so yeah, skippable. I (along with countless others) made a Spotify playlist with just the actual songs:
🦁the LiON KiNG: the GiFT👑

breastcrawl, Sunday, 21 July 2019 14:59 (one year ago) link

the dialogue is about as well integrated as it could be, with various ambience behind the dialogue that helps to bridge the tracks, but it's still completely inessential

ufo, Sunday, 21 July 2019 15:01 (one year ago) link

inessential tracks imo are all the album dialogue, SCAR, SPIRIT and (surprisingly) NILE with kendrick. I'm a bit on the fence about ALREADY and MOOD 4 EVA. Everything else is pretty great!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 21 July 2019 15:19 (one year ago) link

Agreed on “Scar” and “Spirit” (I’m neutral on “Nile”) but “Mood 4 Eva” is very good imo. It has a serious afro bump, even though it was produced by DJ Khaled and Just Blaze.

breastcrawl, Sunday, 21 July 2019 15:30 (one year ago) link

the pastiche qualities have me a bit wary with it tbh though Jay sounds nearly... good? weird time to compare yourself to MJ tho.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 21 July 2019 16:03 (one year ago) link

Damn, My Power is a hot track. DJ Lag!

change display name (Jordan), Sunday, 21 July 2019 19:12 (one year ago) link

That one jumped out at me too.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 21 July 2019 19:44 (one year ago) link

I deleted all the interludes on sight and this bangs. Kendrick's Black Panther soundtrack was good for giving exposure to people like Mozzy but seeking Tekno and Yemi Alade and Burna Boy and Tiwa Savage on this massively prominent album is just a joy.

Matt DC, Sunday, 21 July 2019 20:22 (one year ago) link

"my power" might be my favorite. also fond of "bigger" as an opener

dyl, Sunday, 21 July 2019 23:52 (one year ago) link

« My power » is awesome. It reminds me a little of M.I.A

AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 22 July 2019 07:52 (one year ago) link

what the album lacks—namely, even a single song from an East African artist, despite the prominence of Kenyan musicians such as Victoria Kimani and Nyashinski and Tanzanians such as Diamond Platnumz (whose nickname is quite literally “Simba”). Given Beyoncé’s proven ability to produce meticulous work, it’s curious that her “love letter to Africa” appears to have left out the region from which The Lion King draws the majority of its visual cues.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 12:22 (one year ago) link

Should have had Sauti Sol on there :(

Frederik B, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 12:31 (one year ago) link

Songs inspired by but otherwise unrelated to photorealistic movie remake of talking/singing/dancing Disney lions not representative of entire continent of Africa but especially places in East Africa shockah?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 14:26 (one year ago) link

it's a very valid criticism but i don't feel it's that important considering the context is "it's a tie-in album for the shitty lion king remake" which means my standards are not really the highest and mostly i'm pleased that this is successful as it is

ufo, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 15:31 (one year ago) link

not sure why beyonce is the only artist who needs to be held to this standard of accountability; i notice ed sheeran also did not include any east african artists on his new album

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 23 July 2019 16:03 (one year ago) link

which, you know, small blessings i suppose

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 23 July 2019 16:04 (one year ago) link

the criticism is because of the lion king being based on kenya specifically

ufo, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 16:09 (one year ago) link

pretty sure the lion king is based on Tezuka's Kimba specifically but hey

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 23 July 2019 16:17 (one year ago) link

Rolling Stone article on how the album was put together in Los Angeles and how certain artists were chosen and flown there to participate.

It seems like a good thing that B was able to at least get the artists that are on this.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 16:28 (one year ago) link

the lion king being based on kenya specifically

lol Kenya, home of singing dancing talking lions with the voice of Beyonce.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 16:31 (one year ago) link

I don't get why that's funny? Aristocats is supposed to take place in France as well, even though there are no dancing cats in France.

Wakanda is supposed to be in East Africa too, right? Were there any East African artists on the Black Panther soundtrack?

Frederik B, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 16:36 (one year ago) link

fp'd beyonce for this

After listening to the whole thing a few times (well minus the spoken interludes), I like this a lot.
So far, my favourites are "Bigger" (which is a much better big cinematic OTT track than "Spirit"), "Brown Skin Girl", "Keys To The Kingdom" (these two songs might be my summer jams !) and "My Power" ("Otherside is pretty strong too).
I actually prefer this to the Black Panther soundtrack (which was already pretty good).

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 10:23 (one year ago) link

As for the "controversy", I don't know.
I could understand that artists from east african countries are disappointed that they're not on this but it's just a subjective artistic project from an individual, not an academic research project or else which would have required an "objective" study on the matter.

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 10:26 (one year ago) link

Good, nuanced piece on “the complexities of representation”:

breastcrawl, Saturday, 27 July 2019 12:40 (one year ago) link

Is it just me or is D. Glover singing with a kind of mock african accent on "Mood 4 Eva" ?

AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 29 July 2019 11:09 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

Tiwa & Eazi’s “Keys To The Kingdom” has really snuck up on me. I wake up with that song playing in my head on the regular now.

breastcrawl, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 19:14 (eleven months ago) link

i keep meaning to ask what your display name is in reference to.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 19:56 (eleven months ago) link

oh forkspaws, you shouldn’t have... the secret behind my display name will cause the whole of ILM to blow to pieces

either that, or it’s some innocuous dutchism

Free, Freestyler (breastcrawl), Thursday, 22 August 2019 17:44 (eleven months ago) link

anyways, what track has turned out to be your favourite on this album?

Free, Freestyler (breastcrawl), Thursday, 22 August 2019 17:46 (eleven months ago) link

i don't know from "innocuous dutchism"s, gonna need more info there!
i'm really basic, so likely "find your way back" is my fave. followed closely by billy eichner and seth rogan doing schtick behind chanting.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 23 August 2019 00:25 (eleven months ago) link

ten months pass...
three weeks pass...

looks like the companion album is just a deluxe edition of the lion king: the gift that doesn't have the film dialogue snippets and has "black parade", an extended mix of "black parade", and a remix of "find your way" added on at the end

― ufo, vrijdag 31 juli 2020 7:27 bookmarkflaglink

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Friday, 31 July 2020 13:09 (one week ago) link

just trying to make this thread happen, can’t you see?

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Friday, 31 July 2020 13:19 (one week ago) link

I still don’t know what an innocuous dutchism is.
Call me old fashioned, but i prefer new audio to new video.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 31 July 2020 15:11 (one week ago) link

there is no shame in not knowing.

the new “Find Your Way Home” remix is nice, though not essential. happy people are getting another chance to discover the absolute jam that is “Already”.

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Friday, 31 July 2020 15:19 (one week ago) link

“Find Your Way *Back*” - I’m so sorry

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Friday, 31 July 2020 15:33 (one week ago) link

ooooohhh there’s actually a video for “Already” now?

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Friday, 31 July 2020 17:03 (one week ago) link

That video is incredible

Indexed, Friday, 31 July 2020 20:35 (one week ago) link


Above article

curmudgeon, Friday, 7 August 2020 01:43 (two days ago) link

Oumou Sangare on the album and Burna Boy and Beyonce holding a Robert Farris Thompson book on Yoruban art

curmudgeon, Friday, 7 August 2020 01:44 (two days ago) link

Readin about possible Beyoncé influences-Jason Farago NY Times art critic cites Ethiopian photographer Aïda Muluneh, Nigerian artist Jelili Atiku , & Jean-Paul Goude ( who did Grace Jones album covers) among others

curmudgeon, Friday, 7 August 2020 01:48 (two days ago) link

Is there a separate thread for Beyonce Black is King?

I don’t see one. It’s flawed, but I still find a lot to like about it.

curmudgeon, Friday, 7 August 2020 20:06 (two days ago) link

there’s a Black Parade thread in anticipation of new material, but Black Is King uses the music of Lion King: The Gift, so feel free to discuss the movie here, I think (I haven’t seen it myself)

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Friday, 7 August 2020 23:03 (two days ago) link

You should see it.

curmudgeon, Friday, 7 August 2020 23:33 (two days ago) link

I don’t have Disney+ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Saturday, 8 August 2020 00:16 (yesterday) link

i'm beginning to get annoyed by having to initiate a trial of some service or another that i largely don't want to use just to see a compelling pop artist's latest project

dyl, Saturday, 8 August 2020 03:35 (yesterday) link

I understand. Wife and I decided to splurge.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 8 August 2020 17:21 (yesterday) link

on ilplex btw

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 8 August 2020 21:32 (yesterday) link

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