Which artists legacies have improved/worsened during the 2010s?

Xpost: can you please share it?

Would John or George have become annoyingly vocal Brexiteers...?

"Irish Blood, English Heart"

― Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.),

which was which?

xp blog posts here

https://haonowshaokao.com/2015/09/20/britpop-nuggets-part-one-some-people-are-born-to-dance/
https://haonowshaokao.com/2015/09/28/britpop-nuggets-part-two-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-tolerate-northern-uproar/
https://haonowshaokao.com/2015/10/22/britpop-nuggets-part-three-long-live-the-uk-music-scene/

can I share the mediafire link?

Oh those look great! And there’s some reasonably obscure stuff in there in line with the Nuggets compilation. Good job on those ones! I need to listen to several of those as I don’t think I’ve even heard them or remember them clearly.

I thought Denim - middle of the road was a 70’s song! Spotify even has it in a comp that says “70’s rock”.

Yeah, they look pretty good. I’m sure there’s some dreck in there, but as an overview looks worth investigating, good write up too.

Lennon was already 40 when he died, how much more do you guys think he would have changed btw. 40 and 80?

― 60... 90... 120 Minute IPA (morrisp), Wednesday, August 14, 2019 9:21 AM (forty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

well i mean there are like tons of ppl i know whose parents have had their brains poisoned by fox news, incl. dudes who were union dem blue collar dudes in their working lives so i think these traumas might be informing the lennon takes

he definitely seemed like the kind of personality very invested in that kind of contrarian oneupmanship who think that having an opinion that no one else has = coming up with a brilliant idea no one else thought of, where it flatters their ego to feel smarter than the whole argument rather than pick a side, "what neither side of the climate debate realizes is that it's actually SUGAR that's killing the planet" etc, which is totally a garden path that can lead to some weird shit.

this doesn't seem at all supported by the evidence, cite examples where Lennon did this kind of thing plz

lol Lennon as a Slate writer

well i mean there are like tons of ppl i know whose parents have had their brains poisoned by fox news, incl. dudes who were union dem blue collar dudes in their working lives so i think these traumas might be informing the lennon takes

I think we can safely assume Elvis would pretty much be Kid Rock x1000 on social media

jerry lee lewis doesn't post anything political on twitter except "god bless our veterans"

probably trying to keep his head down in case people notice he murdered one of his wives

hot take: ppl "poisoned" by Fox were already idiotic assholes to begin with

probably trying to keep his head down in case people notice he murdered one of his wives

I thought it was two.

“Whole lotta shankin’ goin’ on”

this doesn't seem at all supported by the evidence, cite examples where Lennon did this kind of thing plz

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, August 14, 2019 11:15 AM (forty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I mean Im not super invested in this beyond that its a silly fun thing to think abt but I cant be the first person in history to think that Lennon seemed like he sometimes enjoyed feeling like the smartest person in the room, doesnt seem like the wildest stretch to imagine that he would get more challopsy as he aged.

I don't think enjoying feeling like the smartest person in the room = holding challops, that's a weird leap

knee jerk contrarianism is a substitute for actually being the smartest person in the room for those who definitely aren't. it's a way to get some attention for your opinion even when it's obviously completely wrong

ha – I never got the sense that Lennon lorded over people; he was a sardonic and often mean fucker, but he genuinely liked it when someone, whether Paul or George or Yoko or Nilsson, responded to him in kind.

yeah he liked being challenged

i am enjoying imagining a 75 year old john lennon appearing on joe rogan and talking about ancient aliens and i wont let ppl who know more about john lennon than me take that away from me

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You forgot Ringo !

the if-lennon-had-lived turn this thread took is huge, and while much is wild speculation he definitely would have been the first beatle on joe rogan

Challop: Lennon on Joe Rogan would be good not bad.

Screw that, he'd record his own podcast in the Dakota

DGAF with John Lennon (it's a podcast)

Well, Ringo turned into a grumpy miserable old git and George was already there so maybe John would have gone for the hat trick.

Lennon was already 40 when he died, how much more do you guys think he would have changed btw. 40 and 80?

Also if you’re gonna engage in Boomer bashing, you have to play by the rules of the dumb thing, you can’t pretend someone born in 1940 is a Boomer. Just make yr generalizations about “old people”

― 60... 90... 120 Minute IPA (morrisp)

i mean, shit, you want to hear about how much i've changed between 40 and 43?

and i did specifically mention that his boomer status is questionable, for me i don't know he's close enough

Well, Ringo turned into a grumpy miserable old git and George was already there so maybe John would have gone for the hat trick.

― Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Thursday, August 15, 2019

tbf George was a miserable old git in 1964 and had turned it into low key comedy gold for the next three decades.

to talk about something other than john lennon i was thinking yesterday about how i've come to re-evaluate the "anonymous" weirdos, people like the residents and jandek. when i was younger they seemed like the ne plus ultra of disturbed and bizarre music. now, i don't know, they just seem like sweet old eccentrics. again a lot of that is probably grading on a curve against other boomers (i'm hesitant about just going with "old people" because i sort of am "old people"), but i do genuinely get the impression charles bobuck was a sweet and likeable person.

tbf George was a miserable old git in 1964 and had turned it into low key comedy gold for the next three decades.

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my general impression of george's personality is "oh yeah he was raised Catholic"

Imo 75 year old John would’ve taken the piss out of Paul’s hair, George as the “dark horse”, Ringo’s “peace and love” nonsense and himself esp. anything to do with peace or anything the media actually took him seriously or beyond music

I know earlier we discussed the idea of Zappa aging into a cranky facts and logic guy but imho Lennon would have been just as likely a candidate for that

to talk about something other than john lennon i was thinking yesterday about how i've come to re-evaluate the "anonymous" weirdos, people like the residents and jandek. when i was younger they seemed like the ne plus ultra of disturbed and bizarre music. now, i don't know, they just seem like sweet old eccentrics. again a lot of that is probably grading on a curve against other boomers (i'm hesitant about just going with "old people" because i sort of am "old people"), but i do genuinely get the impression charles bobuck was a sweet and likeable person.

Yeah, I think such is an excellent example of how the ~internet~ has demystified music/musicians over the years. (it also didn't hurt/help that Jandek eventually emerged from the shadows and began to play shows!)

The Residents are one of those artists that I for no discernible good reason staunchly resist looking into. I have a vague idea of their schtick but I could never be bothered to pursue it.

What about Mayo Thompson? I finally got around to listening to him lately after hearing his name and reputed influences for seemingly forever and while his Corky's record seems amazing I read an interview w him in which he seems pretentious to the point of almost veering off into sociopathic territory? i dunno if that makes any sense. i guess some ppl's brains just work differently. he didn't seem sinister, rather just vaguely obnoxious?

Oh, and more to the point of the thread topic, it always amazes me how into eighties music "young" people are. I guess commentaries on the crunching and sandwiching of time effect have been done near to death (don't worry, I'm not hungry!) but it's as if people who grew up in the eighties were mad for big band music. Millenials and whatever the generation after them are supposed to be fucking love The Cure and New Order and Whitney Houston.

Lester Bangs on Lennon's death:

"Did you watch the TV specials on Tuesday night? Did you see all those people standing in the street in front of the Dakota apartment where Lennon lived singing "Hey Jude"? What do you think the real -- cynical, sneeringly sarcastic, witheringly witty and iconoclastic -- John Lennon would have said about that?

John Lennon at his best despised cheap sentiment and had to learn the hard way that once you've made your mark on history those who can't will be so grateful they'll turn it into a cage for you."

What about Mayo Thompson? I finally got around to listening to him lately after hearing his name and reputed influences for seemingly forever and while his Corky's record seems amazing I read an interview w him in which he seems pretentious to the point of almost veering off into sociopathic territory? i dunno if that makes any sense. i guess some ppl's brains just work differently. he didn't seem sinister, rather just vaguely obnoxious?

What interview was this? Mayo is very sweet, AFAIK

"those people don't speak for john lennon, i speak for john lennon!"

Lennon was also the guy who in his last interview got emotional on learning that "Happy Xmas (War is Over)" had become a standard in England and admitted to being a sentimentalist "just as much as Paul." Dude had contradictions!

I know earlier we discussed the idea of Zappa aging into a cranky facts and logic guy but imho Lennon would have been just as likely a candidate for that

― Simon H., Thursday, August 15, 2019 7:48 AM (one hour ago)

john lennon was a leftist edge-lord and would be telling the truth about syria

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CXQiStxWwAEEM9u.jpg

Yes, idea that Lennon was immune to sentiment is nonsense, Goodnight, Beautiful Boy, Oh Yoko etc Tough exterior, soft centre.

Any one of us would've gotten as sick of the singing as Yoko did.

he was a born asshole and spent his whole life pushing against that tendency in himself. with mixed results, sure, but he had a family he loved and who supported him and he didn't give up. i don't know what that would he'd look like today but assuming he would turn into some execrable New Atheist is a big assumption!

What interview was this? Mayo is very sweet, AFAIK

I think it was this one? http://mattendahl.blogspot.com/2012/06/interview-with-mayo-thompson-part-one.html

To me it reads as really pretentious and kind of, "well, we were blowing everyone out of the water and no one understood what we were on about bc we were so far ahead of the game"

Which, whatever. I think he WAS making interesting and great stuff at the time which WAS distinct from much of what was going on, and I get that ppl who find themselves in that position sometimes just have like entirely different brain stuff going on which doesn't necessarily translate well into making good conversation at cocktail parties or whatever. But that said, there's something kind of exhausting about the way he communicates at least in that interview. like, come down to earth or whatever.

I recall reading this before... I think it's very interesting!

now I'm thinking what's going to be laughably passé in 2029... like who is the GADPY of 2019? who has the furthest to fall?

GADPY probably my least favorite ILM acronym, can never remember what it refers to and then of course it's something ridiculously nerdy and specific

it stands for Gaye Bykers on Acid

who has the furthest to fall?

Taylor Swift. Beyonce.