Which artists legacies have improved/worsened during the 2010s?

yeah it's great pub rock from someone who *may* even have a more acidic worldview than early Costello

“Discovering Japan” is a great GP song

Really is an odd feeling to encounter a "famous" UK artist I've not heard of before.

Judd Apatow thought him famous enough to build the entire plot of 2012 film This Is 40 around: Paul Rudd starts a boutique record label not out of his spare room, but in rented new-build high-ceilinged ground floor offices, with multiple staff, and a reformed Graham Parker & The Rumour as their sole signing.

(At least, IIRC, the record flops because nobody in America cares about GP & the R.)

Feels like I’ve seen graham parker in dollar bins for like 20 years now

that's a lie, This is 40 doesn't have a plot

xp

looked it up bcz I couldn't remember if Rudd's label had a best-of or just the newie and ha ha he ends up saving the label by signing Ryan Adams

"He's not on a label at the moment..."

xp four hours ago, sorry...

Where's the proof that Elliott Smith's legacy has gone down?

When Rick and Morty did a bit on Elliott Smith back in 2015, would viewers have thought that the music was a parody of sad-sack singer-songwriters or the genuine article?

The other area of music which strikes me as having experienced a noticeable uptick in interest over the past decade is 80s R&B outside the usual touchstones of MJ and Prince - at the top end this can be seen in the increase in consensus around Control as a classic album, but the rising tide seems to have lifted the boats of other Jam and Lewis artists like Alexander O'Neale and Cherrelle as well as Rene & Angela, DeBarge, the 80s output of Evelyn King and Stephanie Mills etc.

long championed by alfred iirc

Alexander O'Neale and Cherrelle as well as Rene & Angela, DeBarge, the 80s output of Evelyn King and Stephanie Mills etc.

ha, that's everyone I've been listening to recently

We're a few days away from Graham Parker's annual free show at Brit's Pub in Minneapolis! I went last year, it was great.

_elliott smith has 1.36 mil monthly listeners on spotify. 300k or therebouts more than pavement._


Damn!

the 80s output of Evelyn King and Stephanie Mills etc.

the 'revival' of early 80s stuff like "love come down" happened at least ten years ago, though, right? agree that the later 80s stuff is hotter now (and that rules). even white instrumental funkateers like benedek are dropping in shuffly beats now.

Yes "Love Come Down" has been hot for maybe 12 years, but it feels like there's now heightened interest in delving deeper into those back catalogues (beyond like, just, "Love Come Down" and "Let The Music Play" and "I Feel For You" and "Ain't Nobody" and "Just Be Good To Me" and "Don't Look Any Further") rather than just treating R&B as a source of pop or dancefloor hits or effectively "post-disco" (although the Larry Levanish liminal space between disco and R&B will never not be hot).

In addition to the evangelising of people like Alfred I think one influence on that has been the success (again starting in the previous decade) of contemporary R&B that explicitly calls back to that sound - it's like, once people started lionising The-Dream (however fleetingly) it was only a matter of time before 80s R&B ideas would start to seem compelling again in and of themselves.

speaking of Zappa, do young people enjoy Beefheart?

Have they ever?

... yes

My partner teaches high school English, and one of her students is into Beefheart...but I think they may be the only student at the school who does.

Which Beefheart do you mean

Everyone still loves Elliott Smith.

Yeah, everyone absolutely still loves Elliott Smith. His legacy is pretty much static. No posthumous additions to catalogue in years. No massive new book or documentary (I mean there was a book and a documentary but there was nothing revelatory). He'll always be adored by anyone who likes acoustic guitars and songwriting.

Yeah, he's got a very hardcore fanbase, and swathes of youngsters discovering him every year still.

i honestly can't be 100% sure this isn't correct

If Frank Zappa were alive today he'd be a Ben Shapiro stan

— The Give Smart Guy (@BobbyBigWheel) December 13, 2018

flamboyant goon tie included at 12:39 19 Jul 19

Which Beefheart do you mean

Lieutenant Colonel Beefheart

xpost You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become a classical liberal.

I kinda feel like he'd hate Trump though, just how dumb and full of shit he is

wow, i've never watched "this is 40" but for a movie released this decade it sounds like it's aged incredibly poorly

would def hate trump

I wonder how the whole PMRC thing would be perceived if it happened today?

oh you rich musicians whining about freedom of speech wah wah wah

but then you've got the party of Family Values waddling around in "Fuck Your Feelings" t shirts so

zappa 100% would be a Facts and Logic guy now

maybe he'd be more a sam harris guy than fucking shapiro (if for no other reason than ben is so shrill and agitating) but yeah def on that facts and logic tip

No effing way would Zappa stan for a guy who wrote a book called Porn Generation: How Social Liberalism Is Corrupting Our Future.

xp

And who bros down with David Horowitz

A Bill Maher guy or something, maybe

yep. don't really see him being down with Shapiro but him & Maher definitely seem like they'd be buds, smirking at everything through eternity

that makes sense. doesn’t seem like there a whole lot of distinction between Harris’ and Maher’s worldview

Can you imagine how insufferable the Marc Maron and Joe Rogan interviews with Zappa would be?

girl you thought he was maher, but he was rogan

Zappa would have been a pretty old dude by now, he may have ended up just chilling in the Canyon.

wow, i've never watched "this is 40" but for a movie released this decade it sounds like it's aged incredibly poorly

― untuned mass damper (mh), Friday, July 19, 2019 9:33 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

It was garbage when it was released, and I can't remember when it was released, and I'd forgotten the movie even existed until yesterday. Albert Brooks is the only watchable element of the film, and Melissa McCarthy also had a funny second or two, but christ, it was insufferable.

It was def a big letdown after Knocked Up. The scenes with John Lithgow are good, and I find Jason Segal’s creepy chick-magnet character to be kinda funny. It’s an ok movie to half-watch on tv when it comes on now.

this is 40 was where it became evident that apatow didnt think his shit stank

^totally agree

(though points off for grossness, lol)

I'd argue that happened with Funny People. When James Taylor has the only funny line in a movie, there's a problem.