Which artists legacies have improved/worsened during the 2010s?

i saw Deerhoof live several times and...was not very plussed. I do understand that they're all very talented musicians— i have a minor in music comp from the same place some of them went to school— but if you were to ask me which band that was big in '05 i'd really like to see again or check in on, they wouldn't even make the top 20. i clicked around some singles and videos, and it was pleasant enough but not too exciting. similar results with Oneida and Liars. oh well.

oh yeah, Liars completely tumbled this decade

Not only the new stuff but Drum's Not Dead and They Were Dead So... those records are still great imo but very much of an era, floor tom + rim hits + delay. Drum's Not Dead coming out less than six months after Feels was a bit much.

re: deerhoof, been listening to them since ca. apple o, the magic (2016) is my fav lp by them

here's one that i was thinking about this afternoon: whither Elliott Smith? I still listen to Heatmiser every once in a while, but never Smith solo. do saddo teens still love Smith like i did?

yeah but he's definitely less popular. I only became a fan in 2013 so I don't know what it was like in the decade after his death but I've found the ES fan community online to be pretty fallow now, and I don't know many people that still listen to him regularly. he's never been popular on ILM. it's a bummer, he was an amazing guitarist and songwriter.

he was! i still get songs of his stuck in my head every once in a while. and he gave a pretty stunning performance on the last tour he gave— saw him only three months before he died. great show.

i feel like acts who passed away, broke up, or just slowed to a crawl in the 00s (Smith... the Beastie Boys also come to mind) have to be evaluated differently than acts which were already "historical" then (Beach Boys etc.) and ones which were still very active or just breaking. all are germane to this thread, but talking abt "legacy" means different things - e.g. trying to figure out if The Kids still even discover this act, or care when they do, versus evaluating whether their 90s boosters lost enthusiasm with later albums, etc. i'm maybe most interested in cases like The-Dream, who as noted upthread seemed like the center of the pop/r&b creative universe ten years ago, and who i never hear about off-ilx anymore.

I agree, I was just thinking about how Smith's work was ubiquitous for several years after his passing, but its presence has slowly faded, and while some of that is certainly due to the simple passing of time, i am interested in other reasons why that might be.

generally speaking tho, yeah, i am more interested in cases like the-Dream.

the-dream is still doin stuff!

do saddo teens still love Smith like i did?

FWIW, Phoebe Bridgers (who's 24) has cited Smith as an influence

I like to think that those 5 Classic Albums collections have had an impact on some legacies. I jumped on several of those for bands I otherwise would have taken much longer to listen to. I love them.

there are bands that have gotten that treatment that i've never consciously heard!

Quite a few of the ones I got were by bands who I'd heard little or nothing of. Bands that have an undying following but never get that much coverage these days.
Sadly it doesn't seem like they're bringing out much more of them. I don't recall seeing many that haven't been around at least 4 years.

I think Changing Horses probably wouldn't have been reissued recently if that Incredible String Band 5 Classic Albums hadn't come out.

Cleo Tucker from Girlpool has this gorgeous song that is indebted to ES at some level

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xHYN64L2Ro

I hear it in Phoebe Bridgers' "Scott Street," even an allusion to "St Ide's Heaven."

Actually there is quite a bunch of those cheapie classic collections in the last few years... Nancy Wilson, Conway Twitty, Slim Whitman, Dinah Shore, Billy Fury, Milt Jackson, Hank Crawford, Bill Haley, Judy Garland, Chet Atkins, Nena, Al Bano+Romina Power, Harold Land, Billie Holliday, Katja Ebstein, Lyambiko, Kitty Wells, Mahalia Jackson, Nat King Cole, Thelma Houston, Bobby McFerrin, Gene Vincent, Girlschool, Jackie McLean, Dakota Staton, Sonny Rollins, Elmer Bernstein, Bo Diddley, Chick Corea, Charlie Parker, Candlemass, Therion, Behemoth, Sinister, Sinner, Gorefest, Wendy Waldman, Jean-Michel Jarre, Petra Zeiger, Jennifer Rush, Doris Day, Guano Apes, Chet Baker, Sweet, Art Blakey, Fats Domino, Nina Simone, Max Roach, New Riders Of The Purple Sage, Hugh Masekela, Matthias Reim, Peter Maffay, Hank Williams, Ruth Brown, Etta James, Lavern Baker, Horace Silver...

mobb deep up, I think? not down at least. doesn't seem like, say, big pun, capone n noreaga, or even nas register much anymore but "shook ones" lives on. maybe prodigy's death had something to do with it?

fwiw my impression could be off since I haven't really followed hip hop for like 10+ years. this is mostly informed by some convos I've had over the years.

feel like I've been waiting for trap beats to become as uncool as jungle breaks in 2000 or w/e for way longer than I expected but it never seems to happen

^yeah I was expecting them to be played out this year, but no sign of that yet.

Seems like Stereolab are enjoying a resurgence with the recent expanded editions coming out and touring this year.

also psychedelics and communism are pretty "cool" again, not that they ever went away for some of us ;-)

is dub cool at the moment? seems to come round in cycles

Dub is always cool

also psychedelics and communism are pretty "cool" again, not that they ever went away for some of us ;-)

yep but psychedelic rock seems to have lower standing rn than any time since the 90s

probably just the general decline of rock as a form I suppose

Dub is always cool

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yep but psychedelic rock seems to have lower standing rn than any time since the 90s

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people will start liking quicksilver messenger service more when jann wenner finally dies

quicksilver are so fucking cool... lotta Japanese bands from the 90s dug em from what I can tell

Dub sounds great in like a nice medium sized venue’s PA in between sets

Dub is always cool

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― flappy bird,

yep but psychedelic rock seems to have lower standing rn than any time since the 90s
probably just the general decline of rock as a form I suppose

Actually if you look at it in those terms I’d say the Great Culling’s actually been a bit kinder to psych (or at least psych-tinged) rock than rock music as a whole
Kinda like dub I think that might be in part bc it’s a modifier that plays nice with other genres, and demands that its less niche practitioners display at least a little bit of proficiency at doing so

Crap music does tend to get weeded out as time moves forward

explain Pearl Jam then

Dub is always cool

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― flappy bird,

― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, July 14, 2019 10:32 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

quicksilver are so fucking cool... lotta Japanese bands from the 90s dug em from what I can tell

― brimstead

i thought it was just michio kurihara and he was in a ton of bands, could be wrong though! anyway point is michio kurihara rules

there's one of those semi-official "wolfgang's vault" videos with cipollina sitting in with link wray on "mystery train" from '74, it also rules

unfortunately wenner doesn't help things whenever rolling stone makes another list of "500 greatest records of all time" and he makes sure "happy trails" is at, like, #6, because he was THERE man and everybody else is like, really? you've got kendrick lamar at #146

Dub is always cool

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― flappy bird,

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Yeah but it comes and goes a bit doesn't it? Ebbs and flows. Sometimes you've got a big reinvention of the sound, as with Basic Channel in the 90s and dubstep in the mid-2000s. Other times there's less enthusiasm and it gets associated with bad hippy soundsystems. For a while dancehall seemed to be taking up a little dub-sized space, and even dancehall instrumentals became voguish. The dub cycle is about 5-6 years long in my reckoning.

Just had a flashback to so-called 'acid jazz'.

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it's that numpt who makes them compilations with martin freeman with the wellender!

Dub is always cool
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Up - ambient and balearic

Really? I thought the whole balearic hype of 10y ago is well over?

Here's one I think about a lot that has been talked about on other threads, but the whole Lexx/Mudd/Idjut Boys/Quiet Village aesthetic is....well, it's been co-opted beyond recognition, right?

also my comment upthread was linking Stereolab to psychedelics and communism, because duh. most psychedelic rock being made is garbage, though i rather like that Bardo Pond/Acid Mothers Temple collab from a few years back.

I realized the other day that for years and years I’d hear “Born to be Wild” at least once a month as TV/movie/ad shorthand for squares cutting loose and/or something to do with cars or motorcycles. And to a much lesser extent Magic Carpet Ride and The Pusher to signify some sort of drug experience. But I don’t remember the last time I heard any Steppenwolf song in any context.

Not quite balearic per se, but there seems to have been a big resurgence / revival of Early house and techno (or modern takes on the genre) with no discernible peaks or troughs recently.

My shitty theory is that its because everyone knows that everyone else has a camera in their phone, and no one wants to get caught / memed / FB'ed doing anything embarrassing like get excited - but I'm guessing some people must really like this stuff?

i never really saw any of that music as going away. like if you didn't like early house and techno then you were just an idiot.

it's that numpt who makes them compilations with martin freeman

I’m not sure that “man who founded record label in 1987, and has been running it ever since, still runs it” is that revelatory a zing