Which artists legacies have improved/worsened during the 2010s?

Edan did some fun retro shit before he did his record collector psych rock album that got tons of great reviews

I mean, there were some singles by e.g. Linkin Park that were fun at the time but that didn't have much shelf life for me.

early korn is cathartic in a psychologically direct way that most music i've encountered isn't. also it's funky as hell, which allowed for them to go full disco stomp on "got the life." other nu-metal bands approach the same idea from different angles

Linkin Park has some amazing music. I think that stuff has aged pretty well, even the stuff that struck me as stilted at the time like "In the End" at least has a poptimist appeal or whatever. But some of the songs are just badass, like "Faint" and "Numb"

almost all the nu metal bands were at least good for a single..."Bawitdaba" is a great karaoke record

in retrospect Kid Rock's schtick was a little limited but he has a few moments ... I feel like he should have had more great songs before he turned country than he actually did

i love a long nu-metal digression on ilm thanks everyone

early korn still slaps

Edan did some fun retro shit before he did his record collector psych rock album that got tons of great reviews

Just listened to this for 1st time in looong time. It's fun.

Unquestionably, yeah.

I never see Sevendust mentioned anywhere these days but they're still pumping out albums.

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in retrospect Kid Rock's schtick was a little limited but he has a few moments ... I feel like he should have had more great songs before he turned country than he actually did

― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, July 10, 2019 11:08 AM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah! this is funny to me bc the country turn kinda happens within his first run of major label singles with "only god knows why." i sure loved the hell out of "cowboy" when i was a kid though

sevendust's "black" is one of my absolute favorite nu-metal songs

the drummer who left the band and had a failed surf'n'turf franchise and then sued the band to be let back in but wasn't and fieldy the five-string slap-bassist who did an awful and depressing (in terms of lyrical content, also just sonically) rap record are great rhythm section

I'm still waiting for so-called post-grunge to make a come back.

And is it just me or has Tool's rep dwindled over time?

i mean this stuff isn't just nostalgia-popular its actively Cool for zoomers & young millennials

― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, July 10, 2019 12:26 PM (fifty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I’m on the old/young millennial cusp, but I haven’t seen much earnest nostalgia about limp bizkit and korn (SOAD, yes). The real sneered-upon genre getting a mainstream rehab is mallpunk/emo/warped tour stuff, but I guess that’s been happening for a while

XP Post grunge as in DMB, Live, Hootie & the Blowfish, Creed, Nickleback and The Calling?

“Got the life” owns

Sort of, Geir. Was also thinking of Days of the New, Foo Fighters, Local H and Bush. Wouldn't include DMB and Hootie & the Blowfish (and I'm not familiar with The Calling).

'Touch, Peel and Stand' was my jam when I was 12.

the drummer who left the band and had a failed surf'n'turf franchise and then sued the band to be let back in but wasn't and fieldy the five-string slap-bassist who did an awful and depressing (in terms of lyrical content, also just sonically) rap record are great rhythm section

― bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, July 10, 2019 11:16 AM (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

otm, although silveria's drumming gets more indifferent as the korn records drag on. his replacement is v v good though

I’m on the old/young millennial cusp, but I haven’t seen much earnest nostalgia about limp bizkit and korn (SOAD, yes). The real sneered-upon genre getting a mainstream rehab is mallpunk/emo/warped tour stuff, but I guess that’s been happening for a while

― mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Wednesday, July 10, 2019 1:21 PM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i agree mallpunk/emo/warped tour stuff has its mainstream rehab too but IDK im listening to a bunch of nu metal lately and a lot of it is just ... good. So I guess if you want to accuse me of trend advocacy instead of trendspotting ill accept that, but I dont think ppl are playing songs they hate out of non-earnest nostalgia

the pop punk rehab (rather than the emo one) to me feels a bit corny/underthought, like blink 182 is a boring touchpoint at this pt

Daltrey stanning for hard-Brexit has likely put off a lot of younger potential fans from investigating The Who. Soured a few older fans too no doubt.

There’s probably a whole thread to be filled with these sad cases where some dude in a band has problems and leaves, and years later the rest refuses to let him back in, so he ends up doing the big reunion tour and comeback album on a skimpy session contract.

Does mayor pete repping for everlast count as rehab for post-grunge?

Nah, just a sign that hick hop is cool-ish.

gonna listen to korn all day thanks everyone

fwiw i always conflated nu metal and post grunge at the time & in retrospect I guess I just meant "modern rock" bc hippie grunge like Incubus qualified as "nu metal" in my mind at the time

the Korn debut is very grunge/alternative compared to the later stuff.

i mean there's definite overlap. mudvayne is the band i always like to cite that started off as a proggier slipknot and turned into staind-esque post-grunge xp

i do like "hippie grunge" as a description of incubus lol. imo they were another strain of "bands influenced by faith no more," early incubus sounds exactly like king for a day

Now that Staind has been evoked, Aaron Lewis as a Saving Country Music-approved troubadour is some sort of weird stock rise.

i think of peak korn as 'follow the leader' -> 'issues' i listened to the early stuff a bit to get an idea of how they evolved but i think of their commercial & creative peaks as being fairly synonymous ... sorry im a nu metal poptimist

Have no problem with a nu-metal revival at this point as long as it doesn’t include staind or creed who were always I guess more post-grunge and the worst legacy of the era.

i am too! issues and untouchables are the best korn records imo (follow the leader is a mess but the singles are perfect so whatever) xp

Aaron Lewis is the plumber joe of grunge.

"wish you were here" by incubus is great ... the line about the star looking like a backlit canopy with holes cut in it is sublime lols/profundity

incubus is an extremely good band imo

Papa Roach's 'Last Resort' is still vaguely alive as a meme.

creed is tough for me to get into still. Real Pearl Jam-ish and i never liked them either. Staind I kinda like the singles, compared w/ like Korn they are def not album artists though ... "Outside" and "Its Been Awhile" are strong IMO, I'd be curious if anyone has any Staind deep cut they think is on that level but I tried to dig in & couldn't make it too far

the star

i meant the sky

favorite lol/profound incubus lyric: "to obtain a bird's eye is to turn a blizzard to a breeze"

Sort of tangentially related ICP are ... Cypress Hill biters mainly??

xp lol

Rage Against the Machine always stood apart from nu-metal even though they probably inspired most of it, and there's definitely been some critical reappraisal, but maybe not as much as I'd expect? Seems like they'd be a great band for right now.

many xposts: I wonder if R.E.M. suffered from Simpsons syndrome: the longer they went past their peak, the more their stock diminished, and that period is still relatively recent. My girlfriend is a R.E.M. super fan (for demographical context, she's 28) so I went through their catalog earlier this year when we began dating, and was surprised at how little they seem to be talked about anymore compared to how big (and imho, fantastic) they were in their prime -- R.E.M. just barely cracked the top 40 of the more recent Pitchfork best of the 80s list, for instance. Maybe it'll swing around once they've been broken up another decade.

i think it says something very interesting about this cultural moment that the children and teenagers of 2019 have restructured the classic rock canon in such a way that ELO, queen, elton john, and fleetwood mac have come out on top.

coupled with the more agreeable aspects of poptimism that ime seemed to have bled over into the broader culture, namely that it's okay for grown men to enjoy britney spears and madonna

and then this:

"For a prototypical Beatle fan in 2019, just look to Emma Gonzalez, the Florida teen who became a gun-control (and LGBTQ) activist last year. She’s a Ringo stan who loves to wear her Fabs shirt in TV interviews and wrote on Twitter, “I feel like Beatles songs were made to be sung by powerful women.”"

which i think is (a) a testament to the enduring influence of the beatles and their seemingly endless ability to speak to the most divergent of individuals and circumstances, (b) evidence that today's youths are as thoughtful, perceptive, and subversive as ever, and (c) and indication that values have shifted significantly and i'd guess that most young people would want their music to either reflect that or at least be open to critical re-readings

I get the impression that, while postpunk has declined as mentioned upthread, goth & industrial has risen?

*have risen, ugh

Rammstein - the new album is good and all, and they still sell out massive stadiums, but their shtick is pretty much done.

I feel like I'm starting to see the buds of REM becoming positively reassessed again although very early