As a lover of both electronic music and corny shit, I just spun Oxygene recently and man is that some corny shit.
― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 18:25 (four years ago) link
glad you enjoyed it :)
― frogbs, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 18:26 (four years ago) link
Then there's the whole scene of vaporwave spinoffs who are all more or less indebted to Japanese electronica.
the first time I heard Ongaku Zukan my thought was "it's like Weather Channel music, but I really like it", which is pretty much vaporwave in a nutshell. I'm surprised that album hasn't retroactively blown up.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 18:27 (four years ago) link
I'd also estimate that the growing cult around Alice Coltrane is sending her stock way up, perhaps to unsustainable levels.
― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 18:29 (four years ago) link
Jay-Z's stock appears to have gone down in recent years.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 18:30 (four years ago) link
Not his market stock though !#firsthiphopbillionaire
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 18:31 (four years ago) link
he made shitty albums in the last 10 years and current hip-hop doesn't really sound indebted to him at all
― bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 18:31 (four years ago) link
Nick Cave's stock has risen again
Cave's sole major stock dip was Nocturama in 2003 (imo Boatmans/No More are stultifyingly blah but they were rapturously acclaimed at the time), wiped away with two 'blazing return to form' albums - Abattoir Blues and Lyre of Orpheus - the very next year. (Or at least 'one of these is great,' depending on the listener.) From there the '00s just kept critical hits / unusually high-selling soundtracks / oh THIS novel's better than his previous pastiche etc. coming year after year: The Proposition, Grinderman, Dig Lazarus Dig, The Assassination Of Jesse James, Death Of Bunny Munro. Sell-out Bad Seeds tour, sell-out Nick Cave Solo quartet tour, sell-out Grinderman tour, curating All Tomorrows Parties, sell-out Bad Seeds As Rock Hits Band tour driving Mick away, sell-out Grinderman tour again, rinse & repeat. ARIA Hall Of Fame award, Venice screenwriting award, honorary degrees.
If anything the collapse in album sales (especially with the shift to scoring) and splintering of the band dropped him a little in the '10s compared to the 2004-2009 run.
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 18:31 (four years ago) link
― pomenitul, Tuesday, July 9, 2019 1:30 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, July 9, 2019 1:31 PM (fifty-one seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink
Dark knight feeling, die and be a heroOr live long enough to see yourself become a villain
― mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 18:33 (four years ago) link
Re: Hova he’s basically retired as a rapper, isn’t he ? I’m not sure he cares the slightest about the scene anymore !
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 18:34 (four years ago) link
wtf he just released an album like two years ago that was pretty universally loved. i think his stock has risen.
― big city slam (Spottie), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 18:38 (four years ago) link
his stock has certainly risen since magna carta holy grail, but overall since 2009, idk
― mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 18:38 (four years ago) link
J. Timberlake was still a pop superstar by 2009. Now he’s a joke.
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, July 9, 2019 11:15 AM (seventeen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
is he? he still packs arenas (mostly full of late millennial moms)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_of_the_Woods_Tour
― big city slam (Spottie), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 18:41 (four years ago) link
i think this thread is more about cultural cache than commercial appeal/success.
― mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 18:45 (four years ago) link
Aw really ? Maybe he’s still big in the US, yeah.
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 18:45 (four years ago) link
and one last year that was universally loved by all 12 ppl with Tidal
(overall I don't think anyone cares about any post-"retirement" albums except Watch The Throne, but rap listeners aren't who's valuing his stock)
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 18:46 (four years ago) link
ha totally forgot about the album with beyonce... point proven i guess lol
― big city slam (Spottie), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 18:51 (four years ago) link
― mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Tuesday, July 9, 2019 11:45 AM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink
oh i was going off the thread title more. i guess man of the woods was lukewarm reviews but the 20/20 releases were pretty favorable iirc. idk i dont think his stock has dropped all that much.
― big city slam (Spottie), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 18:52 (four years ago) link
Timberlake's washed up/a has-been, right?
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 19:01 (four years ago) link
dubstep!2009 still just about cool2013 in the heart of the 'brostep' wars2019 background music on the worst youtube vids
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 19:02 (four years ago) link
I’m scanning the Pazz and Jop singles winners from 2009. Kanye West, perhaps? Any of the American Idol winners? Lady Gaga? I don’t know, I could see any of those acts having a hit single nowadays.
The problem with this thread is that pop culture moves so much slower than it used to and ten years is just not a very long time music-wise anymore.
― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 19:04 (four years ago) link
Cee-Lo is a good call
― omar little, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 19:05 (four years ago) link
The Black Eyed Peas/William
The Flaming Lips
― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 19:07 (four years ago) link
bruce springsteen seemed to have been having a moment about ten years ago. his earnestness and his stripped down stuff like the river or nebraska were a touchstone for a certain strain of indie rock. he's not fallen off hugely from a critical perspective maybe, admittedly. feel like his tunnel of love because the album i would hear songs from more often around, because it's synthy and sexy and 80s and that's more au courant?
there was a lot of brian wilson love in the early and mid 00s. don't feel like i hear too much about him these days (you know, other than that film that came out a couple years ago i guess lol)
― bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 19:08 (four years ago) link
Justin Timberlake scored what is probably his biggest hit only three years ago with Can't Stop The Feeling. Clearly his career isn't where it was in 2002 but he's no Robbie Williams or Nelly.
― Siegbran, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 19:10 (four years ago) link
(Nelly or Nelly Furtado)
― Siegbran, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 19:11 (four years ago) link
haven't really heard anyone talk about Aerosmith much lately, despite the bizarre long-winded revival they had
― frogbs, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 19:11 (four years ago) link
Kanye stock has collapsed but he's still seen as a thing and his new releases will still gather huge attention.
Terius Nash on the other hand has had a really precipitous fall, from can-do-no-wrong in 2008-10 to feeling like a relic of completely different era.
I feel like Trump and #MeToo represented a watershed in the decade and anyone whose subject matter feels on the wrong side of that divide is kinda stuck there.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 19:11 (four years ago) link
the Beach Boys had their moment with that Smile set a few years ago but i think that was kind of a blip, not sure they're really at that level now. Brian Wilson's subsequent work seems to have been mildly received, not critically but culturally.
― omar little, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 19:12 (four years ago) link
― frogbs, Tuesday, July 9, 2019 12:11 PM (fifty-seven seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink
some bobos can't be unhonked
― american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 19:12 (four years ago) link
feel like the NYT writes at least a dozen articles per year on him, still
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 19:13 (four years ago) link
I thought everybody loved Kids See Ghosts and Pusha-T?
― Siegbran, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 19:14 (four years ago) link
If you think Kanye stock has collapsed you're not exactly following what the kidz are up to
― imago, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 19:15 (four years ago) link
Iggy Azalea however...
― Siegbran, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 19:19 (four years ago) link
some bobos can't be unhonkedI laffed through a mouthful of salad at this!
― stan by me (morrisp), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 19:24 (four years ago) link
Up: Bikini Kill, The Prodigy, Tribe Called Quest, Hole, Aphex Twin, early grime, breakbeat, Sade, Joni Mitchell, women who make quiet music in general, Pearl Jam very slightly maybe?
Down: Jack White, Wilco, Sigur Ros, Animal Collective, Kanye, Basement Jaxx, all the obvious abusers
Barely changed at all: Nirvana, Wu-Tang Clan, detroit techno, early Daft Punk
Honestly I think he's been superseded by an entire generation now.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 19:24 (four years ago) link
― bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, July 9, 2019 7:08 PM (fifteen minutes ago)
Bruce's stock has definitely risen. It felt like you were at height of sleeveless denim jacket naffness to admit you were into Bruce in the 90s and the early 00's
Dont hear the Beach Boys being mentioned these days for the most part.
― . (Michael B), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 19:28 (four years ago) link
the Beach Boys had their moment with that Smile set a few years ago but i think that was kind of a blip, not sure they're really at that level now.
the 50th anniversary reunion album & tour with Mike & Bruce +2 joining Brian's band under the Beach Boys name was a bigger moment, but also the perfect capper for the BB culture wars. The legacy is settled, they'll never do anything new again, no need to care or fight. (Also Mike's Beach Boys band is p good and play loads of the arty stuff alongside the hits when they're doing theatres, not state fairs; plus Brian's right-hand-man quit and joined the Beach Boys.)
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 19:30 (four years ago) link
Seems like more general Alt-Country, or at least Rock-skewing Alt-Country, isn't as big of a deal now. Big Americana artists these days are drawing more from Folk and Soul.
― frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 19:30 (four years ago) link
definitely not, but i feel like that decline started with the last decade, not this one.
― mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 19:31 (four years ago) link
90s Eurodance? I mean, with the EDM thing going on which is basically Eurodance 2.0
I guess neither is exactly critics darling music though.
― The GeirBot (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 19:36 (four years ago) link
https://gawker.com/180780/the-new-spin-dont-you-know-things-can-change-things-can-go-your-way-or-not
― space invaders are smokin penises!!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 19:38 (four years ago) link
Wanted to say EDM as there have been a load of great records, but have seen zero critical appreciation of them, and now the genre is basically done. But guess there may be a revive and some critical appreciation sometime around 2030.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 19:39 (four years ago) link
Also up: Fiona Apple (massively), Alanis Morrisette (controversially), KD Lang, Belly, Buffalo Tom, Slowdive
Down: Lil Wayne (from a fairly high base)
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 19:42 (four years ago) link
Also EDM as in "country/pop singer dropping inspirational lyrics over a huge anthemic build/drop" EDM is very far from fast bouncy 90s Eurodance?
― Siegbran, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 19:43 (four years ago) link
The Pixies will rebound but they've definitely reunioned themselves down a few levels. Ditto Smashing Pumpkins who are a weird one anyway.
EDM producers are probably taken a tiny bit more seriously within dance music than they once were but it's not exactly credible or fashionable come on. D&B is probably on the up again though.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 19:45 (four years ago) link
People have been claiming that a drum & bass revival is around the corner for fifteen years now, can't see it happening.
― Siegbran, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 19:46 (four years ago) link
Up: Grime has been on a big upswing after the initial early '00s hype and subsequent decline
Down: The L.A. beat scene got subsumed by Soulection and 'chill beats to study to', Low End Theory ended, the style feels codified and a little quaint, FlyLo lost some mystique (via douchey tweets), etc
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 19:50 (four years ago) link
Hardstyle
― Siegbran, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 19:54 (four years ago) link
If i was in my 20s and bored I would totally do a tracking index of musicians' cultural/artistic share price.
― Yerac, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 20:01 (four years ago) link