Which artists legacies have improved/worsened during the 2010s?

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Who was made fun of or forgotten in the previous decade that's more respected now? Who was critically beloved but is now kind of a joke? Why?

For me, I've noticed that the sophistipop re-appraisal has been kind to the legacies of artists like Prefab Sprout and Sade. And also, weirdly, I kinda feel like KoRn/nu-metal in general is in a better place now critically than it was 2009? Dunno if this is Grimes' doing alone, I also think that a lot of late decade rappers being influenced by it has helped too.

Worsened: R. Kelly, Michael Jackson, Morrissey and also by proxy, The Smiths. For obvious reasons.

triggercut, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:11 (one week ago) link

Who was critically beloved but is now kind of a joke?

Eminem

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:16 (one week ago) link

Nah, Eminem was pretty much a joke in 2009 as well.

MarkoP, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:22 (one week ago) link

This was when he had released Relapse after all.

MarkoP, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:23 (one week ago) link

Yacht rock and other yuppie genres have influenced a ton of indie musicians of the past decade + culminated in popularity in Guardians of the Galaxy and now everybody seems to love Soft Rock/dadrock when it was seen as a joke in previous decades.

I don’t think numetal is being reconsidered yet, and hope it never does.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:25 (one week ago) link

I think George Michael is a good example of someone who was written off as a complete joke in the 80s but whose reputation has steadily grown to the point where there's hardly any detractors left today.

Siegbran, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:25 (one week ago) link

She was never made fun of the way you describe but Beyoncé has definitely improved.

gyac, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:26 (one week ago) link

Worsened: Mark Kozelek

MarkoP, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:26 (one week ago) link

Smash Mouth

frogbs, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:29 (one week ago) link

...and Toto!

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:30 (one week ago) link

Yacht rock and other yuppie genres have influenced a ton of indie musicians of the past decade + culminated in popularity in Guardians of the Galaxy and now everybody seems to love Soft Rock/dadrock when it was seen as a joke in previous decades.

Also, the Mac DeMarco effect.

triggercut, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:31 (one week ago) link

Dire Straits' stock has risen.

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:31 (one week ago) link

Fishmans
The entire genre of City Pop.

MarkoP, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:33 (one week ago) link

stock up: '80s rnb, mixtape rap, new age, sophisti-pop
stock down: turn of the decade indie, freak-folk, arcade fire, college rock

mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:33 (one week ago) link

Foster and Allen - still going strong and all outstanding debts to revenue.ie have been paid up, venues sold out everywhere from Kerry to Glasgow to Australia! 2020 will be a big year for them.

calzino, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:34 (one week ago) link

I think George Michael is a good example of someone who was written off as a complete joke in the 80s but whose reputation has steadily grown to the point where there's hardly any detractors left today.

Good one. I think there's something unique in this decade in regards to artists legacies in relation to their death. In that, due to being in the midst of the streaming/social media, everyone's legacy immediately improves after their death. The public nature of the grieving, the sharing of stories about the artists personal influence on someone, easily shareable articles on their wider importance, and their entire catalogue being able to be streamed at the click of a button. I even feel like this is the case with Bowie, where, y'know, his legacy was probably in a DECENT place in 2009 despite it being a quiet decade for him, but Blackstar and the appraisal of his impact/work that has continued since his death has only strengthened his legacy.

I mean, people even started to really ride for Soundgarden after Chris Cornell passed.

triggercut, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:37 (one week ago) link

But I think GMs stock was already at an all time high even before his death.

btw electro and italo disco stock definitely down

Siegbran, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:38 (one week ago) link

r.e.m.'s stock has gone down, not really clear why apart from less of a critical focus on college rock etc with the 80s

ufo, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:40 (one week ago) link

Consider how beloved and 'important' Animal Collective were in 2009 compared to now.

triggercut, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:42 (one week ago) link

Huh. I would have thought Italo Disco went up what with stuff like Synthwave becoming a big thing in the decade, and people like Giorgio Moroder, who I releaize is not necessarily Italo Disco, gaining new exposure via that Daft Punk album.

MarkoP, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:43 (one week ago) link

The big italo revival was around 2005, it's been fading ever since.

Siegbran, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:45 (one week ago) link

(and synthwave as the dead cat bounce)

Siegbran, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:46 (one week ago) link

I don’t think numetal is being reconsidered yet, and hope it never does.

i don't know about the genre as a whole, but system of a down and korn have both been elevated above their peers for a while now

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:47 (one week ago) link

no one really seems to care about basement jaxx these days unfortunately, compared to the acclaim they got at their peak

ufo, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:48 (one week ago) link

Also the Deftones.

Not so much Limp Bizkit, thankfully.

MarkoP, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:48 (one week ago) link

Xxpost: Mac Demarco is certainly one of the main exponents but I think it can be traced back to Daft Punk’s Discovery reevaluation and popularity. The whole album but particularly singles like “digital love” and “something about us” kind of have soft rock dna in them. Then came Phoenix, Ariel Pink, Toro y Moi further solidifying it as “cool” with the kids. By the time Destroyer’s Kaputt and Cass Mccombs “county line” came out, most critics couldn’t resist it anymore. Bon Iver kind of popularized and made it influential it in a different vein, Anderson Paak, and Thundercat are also influenced by that sound. And of course Mac Demarco in a right place, right time event rose to the top as one of its champions.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:48 (one week ago) link

Limp Bizkit now firmly established as Classic Rock icons.

Siegbran, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:50 (one week ago) link

Vampire Weekend too with that heavy Paul Simon influence should be mentioned on that initial wave of indie that helped make soft rock cool again.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:50 (one week ago) link

Air: 10,000 Hz Legend is also ground zero for the soft rock revival I think.

Siegbran, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:51 (one week ago) link

Re: Vampire Weekend, I got the vibe that by 2009 they were already lumped in with all the other bargain bin hype indie that surfaced during the mid-to-late 00s and was quickly forgotten about, but they surprisingly (for me, anyway) turned out to be something special.

triggercut, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:53 (one week ago) link

Justin Bieber is probably more critically acclaimed now than ten years ago. Not that it takes a lot.

The GeirBot (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 16:13 (one week ago) link

David Boeie? Although his 00s albums were not at all bad, he was still very much considered a has been in 2009. Then he signed off with two magnificient albuns that were almost up there with his 70s masterpieces

The GeirBot (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 16:19 (one week ago) link

I feel like Cardiacs belong here - when I got into them around 2005 they were still virtually unknown, but since then it seems like the internet's vast recommendation algorithms and the explosion of music communities have led them to their audience. maybe I'm wrong here but they seem to be more popular now than they were in their day, even though their last album was 20 years ago

frogbs, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 16:34 (one week ago) link

Geir....otm

omar little, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 16:35 (one week ago) link

omg Geir returns!

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 16:35 (one week ago) link

The best example I can think of is Timbaland, whose legacy/influence seems to have taken a nosedive.

daavid, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 16:35 (one week ago) link

their fans have an annoying habit of going on about them somewhat xps

imago, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 16:37 (one week ago) link

xp Pharrell as well, to a degree

stan by me (morrisp), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 16:38 (one week ago) link

stock up: '80s rnb, mixtape rap, new age, sophisti-pop
stock down: turn of the decade indie, freak-folk, arcade fire, college rock

― mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Tuesday, July 9, 2019 10:33 AM (fifty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i guess the thread question was more about artists, so i'll explain myself a bit

'80s rnb: sade, whitney houston, anita baker, luther vandross, etc. are definitely held in higher regard by the cool kids today.
mixtape rap: mostly thinking of gucci mane, but as the children of the late '00s come of age, things like kush & oj by wiz khalifa have gotten some late-breaking praise. still waiting on the long-deserved young dro canonization.
new age: can't think of many specific examples, maybe kaitlin aurelia smith--either way, new age isn't just considered a travel shop curiosity anymore
sophisti-pop: tears for fears, steely dan, prefab sprout--"cool" in alternative music is defined less and less by the punk kids, so these smooth-sounding gentlemen earned a bump in reputation

turn-of-the-decade indie: enjoying some retrospectives this year, but nearly every band (except VW and The National) have seen massive decreases in sales and critical attention. we don't live in a gapdy world anymore.
freak-folk: does anybody remember devendra banhart? that dude dated natalie portman
arcade fire: self-explanatory
college rock: idk if its reputation has suffered so much, but other concurrent genres (sophisti-pop, rnb, etc.) have increased in esteem--rem and company aren't put on a pedestal above their contemporaries anymore

mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 16:39 (one week ago) link

I mean, people even started to really ride for Soundgarden after Chris Cornell passed.

― triggercut, Tuesday, July 9, 2019 8:37 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

ah yes, "started"

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 16:39 (one week ago) link

i'm not sure if the critical view on late-90s/early 00s work of pharrell and timbo have taken a nosedive, just that they've been making music for over a decade that hasn't approached those heights

mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 16:40 (one week ago) link

Yacht Rock/Sophistipop has definitely been rehabilitated

Is nu-metal cool again? I definitely feel like it isnt (and I also hope not).

Has REM's stock fallen? I'm not sure it has

. (Michael B), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 16:40 (one week ago) link

stock down: interesting melodies
stock up: diaphanous floaty moodz

imago, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 16:41 (one week ago) link

stock way up: things that have both of those

mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 16:42 (one week ago) link

I mean, people even started to really ride for Soundgarden STP after Chris Cornell Scott Weiland passed.

Fixed.

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 16:42 (one week ago) link

i don't think grimes can singlehandedly rehabilitate nu-metal

related: i put on the slipknot s/t the other day. good record

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 16:43 (one week ago) link

i think w/any artist who dies cf. Chris Cornell their legacy is almost always positively reassessed though i do think for someone like Bowie leaving on top did in fact make his death more of an event and boosted his legacy a bit more.

w/Cornell for me i guess it made me revisit some of his work and it brought me back to my torn jeans small town era, driving around blasting Temple of the Dog and singing "i'm goin hungray" w/o any irony whatsoever. and i mean I've subsequently heard cuts from the first Audioslave and my appreciation for his skills and that LP grew.

omar little, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 16:45 (one week ago) link

I don't know if nu-metal is cool or critically acceptable, but I've definitely noticed more fond nostalgia for it among younger people who were kids/in middle school when it was around. Same for mallpunk emo (which is basically how you end up with Lil Peep etc).

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 16:50 (one week ago) link

i am def one of those people but the relentless juvenilia of nu-metal is hard to critically reevaluate. i'd say everyone's been right to focus on deftones and system of a down to the exclusion of everything else. korn is a fascinating band to me in that they have like five "return to our roots" albums at this point, always after they do something nakedly commercial (the record they did with the matrix, the dubstep korn record), none of them good

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 16:54 (one week ago) link

except for the one coming out maybe. the single is great

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 16:54 (one week ago) link

Have they ever?

stan by me (morrisp), Friday, 19 July 2019 02:01 (three days ago) link

... yes

budo jeru, Friday, 19 July 2019 02:03 (three days ago) link

My partner teaches high school English, and one of her students is into Beefheart...but I think they may be the only student at the school who does.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 19 July 2019 02:48 (three days ago) link

Which Beefheart do you mean

flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 19 July 2019 05:39 (three days ago) link

Everyone still loves Elliott Smith.

Simon H., Friday, 19 July 2019 06:06 (three days ago) link

Yeah, everyone absolutely still loves Elliott Smith. His legacy is pretty much static. No posthumous additions to catalogue in years. No massive new book or documentary (I mean there was a book and a documentary but there was nothing revelatory). He'll always be adored by anyone who likes acoustic guitars and songwriting.

in twelve parts (lamonti), Friday, 19 July 2019 08:15 (three days ago) link

Yeah, he's got a very hardcore fanbase, and swathes of youngsters discovering him every year still.

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 19 July 2019 08:21 (three days ago) link

i honestly can't be 100% sure this isn't correct

If Frank Zappa were alive today he'd be a Ben Shapiro stan

— The Give Smart Guy (@BobbyBigWheel) December 13, 2018

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Friday, 19 July 2019 13:26 (three days ago) link

flamboyant goon tie included at 12:39 19 Jul 19

Which Beefheart do you mean


Lieutenant Colonel Beefheart

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 19 July 2019 13:29 (three days ago) link

xpost You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become a classical liberal.

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 19 July 2019 13:31 (three days ago) link

I kinda feel like he'd hate Trump though, just how dumb and full of shit he is

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 19 July 2019 13:32 (three days ago) link

wow, i've never watched "this is 40" but for a movie released this decade it sounds like it's aged incredibly poorly

untuned mass damper (mh), Friday, 19 July 2019 13:33 (three days ago) link

would def hate trump

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Friday, 19 July 2019 13:34 (three days ago) link

I wonder how the whole PMRC thing would be perceived if it happened today?

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 19 July 2019 13:34 (three days ago) link

oh you rich musicians whining about freedom of speech wah wah wah

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 19 July 2019 13:35 (three days ago) link

but then you've got the party of Family Values waddling around in "Fuck Your Feelings" t shirts so

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Friday, 19 July 2019 13:37 (three days ago) link

zappa 100% would be a Facts and Logic guy now

Simon H., Friday, 19 July 2019 13:46 (three days ago) link

maybe he'd be more a sam harris guy than fucking shapiro (if for no other reason than ben is so shrill and agitating) but yeah def on that facts and logic tip

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Friday, 19 July 2019 13:51 (three days ago) link

No effing way would Zappa stan for a guy who wrote a book called Porn Generation: How Social Liberalism Is Corrupting Our Future.

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Friday, 19 July 2019 13:54 (three days ago) link

xp

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Friday, 19 July 2019 13:54 (three days ago) link

And who bros down with David Horowitz

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Friday, 19 July 2019 13:54 (three days ago) link

A Bill Maher guy or something, maybe

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Friday, 19 July 2019 13:57 (three days ago) link

yep. don't really see him being down with Shapiro but him & Maher definitely seem like they'd be buds, smirking at everything through eternity

frogbs, Friday, 19 July 2019 13:59 (three days ago) link

that makes sense. doesn’t seem like there a whole lot of distinction between Harris’ and Maher’s worldview

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Friday, 19 July 2019 14:01 (three days ago) link

Can you imagine how insufferable the Marc Maron and Joe Rogan interviews with Zappa would be?

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Friday, 19 July 2019 14:06 (three days ago) link

girl you thought he was maher, but he was rogan

mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Friday, 19 July 2019 14:18 (three days ago) link

Zappa would have been a pretty old dude by now, he may have ended up just chilling in the Canyon.

stan by me (morrisp), Friday, 19 July 2019 14:20 (three days ago) link

wow, i've never watched "this is 40" but for a movie released this decade it sounds like it's aged incredibly poorly

― untuned mass damper (mh), Friday, July 19, 2019 9:33 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

It was garbage when it was released, and I can't remember when it was released, and I'd forgotten the movie even existed until yesterday. Albert Brooks is the only watchable element of the film, and Melissa McCarthy also had a funny second or two, but christ, it was insufferable.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 19 July 2019 14:43 (three days ago) link

It was def a big letdown after Knocked Up. The scenes with John Lithgow are good, and I find Jason Segal’s creepy chick-magnet character to be kinda funny. It’s an ok movie to half-watch on tv when it comes on now.

stan by me (morrisp), Friday, 19 July 2019 14:55 (three days ago) link

this is 40 was where it became evident that apatow didnt think his shit stank

hollow your fart (m bison), Friday, 19 July 2019 14:58 (three days ago) link

^totally agree

stan by me (morrisp), Friday, 19 July 2019 14:58 (three days ago) link

(though points off for grossness, lol)

stan by me (morrisp), Friday, 19 July 2019 14:59 (three days ago) link

I'd argue that happened with Funny People. When James Taylor has the only funny line in a movie, there's a problem.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 19 July 2019 15:02 (three days ago) link

was it worse than Pineapple Express? Because yuck, that's one of the few films I've ever walked out of

frame casual (dog latin), Friday, 19 July 2019 15:02 (three days ago) link

xp lol i got those two mixed up.

hollow your fart (m bison), Friday, 19 July 2019 15:05 (three days ago) link

"alexa, find that apatow movie about men figuring out fatherhood and marriage where his wife plays the lead actress role and his kids are in it"

*alexa melts from overheating*

hollow your fart (m bison), Friday, 19 July 2019 15:06 (three days ago) link

apatow: stock down

seth rogen's line from knocked up "steely dan gargles my balls": stock down

mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Friday, 19 July 2019 15:27 (three days ago) link

Stock down: West LA / Brentwood
Stock up: Neighborhoods east of Hollywood

stan by me (morrisp), Friday, 19 July 2019 15:37 (three days ago) link

feel like LCD's music was designed to have this ephemeral feeling to it, half their songs are about getting older and "the last party" and not being cool anymore so yeah I kinda figured they'd fall by the wayside once the moment was over. I know the reunion album was a big deal but people stopped talking about it pretty much immediately after its release and I never heard any of the songs anywhere

― frogbs, 18. juli 2019 00:06 (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Late response, but Oh Baby was in Booksmart, and in a pretty prominent position. Made me feel quite old, but I was also literally the second oldest man at the press screening.

Frederik B, Friday, 19 July 2019 16:47 (three days ago) link

was it worse than Pineapple Express?

it's not good, but Apatow didn't direct that, David Gordon Green did

Οὖτις, Friday, 19 July 2019 16:51 (three days ago) link

I think the only thing I've seen actually directed by Apatow in the last decade was Trainwreck because a friend wanted to go to the movies and it was playing. It was more boring than anything?

untuned mass damper (mh), Friday, 19 July 2019 16:59 (three days ago) link

it's not good, but Apatow didn't direct that, David Gordon Green did

he didn't write it either

(also it is funny iirc)

Trainwreck def boring

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Friday, 19 July 2019 17:28 (three days ago) link

I'd argue that happened with Funny People. When James Taylor has the only funny line in a movie, there's a problem.

― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, July 19, 2019 8:02 AM (two hours ago)

yeah funny people was garbage and were i got off the apatow train

bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Friday, 19 July 2019 17:30 (three days ago) link

was it worse than Pineapple Express? Because yuck, that's one of the few films I've ever walked out of

― frame casual (dog latin), Friday, July 19, 2019 3:02 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Really? I just watched this again last year and it's still pretty damn funny.

☮ (peace, man), Friday, 19 July 2019 17:35 (three days ago) link

I like Pineapple Express

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 19 July 2019 17:38 (three days ago) link

speaking of which, how is Huey Lewis faring these days?

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 19 July 2019 17:41 (three days ago) link

he's been doing better ever since it became hip to be square

mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Friday, 19 July 2019 17:41 (three days ago) link

I heard that “working for a living” song in a big record/cd store the other day

brimstead, Friday, 19 July 2019 17:43 (three days ago) link

Funny People is def Apatow’s shark-jumping moment

Οὖτις, Friday, 19 July 2019 17:44 (three days ago) link

It's in the first episode of the new season of Stranger Things.

Fun fact: it didn't even make the top 40! Its highest chart position was #41 in 1982.

xp

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 19 July 2019 17:46 (three days ago) link


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