Which artists legacies have improved/worsened during the 2010s?

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Who was made fun of or forgotten in the previous decade that's more respected now? Who was critically beloved but is now kind of a joke? Why?

For me, I've noticed that the sophistipop re-appraisal has been kind to the legacies of artists like Prefab Sprout and Sade. And also, weirdly, I kinda feel like KoRn/nu-metal in general is in a better place now critically than it was 2009? Dunno if this is Grimes' doing alone, I also think that a lot of late decade rappers being influenced by it has helped too.

Worsened: R. Kelly, Michael Jackson, Morrissey and also by proxy, The Smiths. For obvious reasons.

triggercut, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:11 (two months ago) link

Who was critically beloved but is now kind of a joke?

Eminem

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:16 (two months ago) link

Nah, Eminem was pretty much a joke in 2009 as well.

MarkoP, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:22 (two months ago) link

This was when he had released Relapse after all.

MarkoP, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:23 (two months ago) link

Yacht rock and other yuppie genres have influenced a ton of indie musicians of the past decade + culminated in popularity in Guardians of the Galaxy and now everybody seems to love Soft Rock/dadrock when it was seen as a joke in previous decades.

I don’t think numetal is being reconsidered yet, and hope it never does.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:25 (two months ago) link

I think George Michael is a good example of someone who was written off as a complete joke in the 80s but whose reputation has steadily grown to the point where there's hardly any detractors left today.

Siegbran, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:25 (two months ago) link

She was never made fun of the way you describe but Beyoncé has definitely improved.

gyac, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:26 (two months ago) link

Worsened: Mark Kozelek

MarkoP, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:26 (two months ago) link

Smash Mouth

frogbs, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:29 (two months ago) link

...and Toto!

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:30 (two months ago) link

Yacht rock and other yuppie genres have influenced a ton of indie musicians of the past decade + culminated in popularity in Guardians of the Galaxy and now everybody seems to love Soft Rock/dadrock when it was seen as a joke in previous decades.

Also, the Mac DeMarco effect.

triggercut, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:31 (two months ago) link

Dire Straits' stock has risen.

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:31 (two months ago) link

Fishmans
The entire genre of City Pop.

MarkoP, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:33 (two months ago) link

stock up: '80s rnb, mixtape rap, new age, sophisti-pop
stock down: turn of the decade indie, freak-folk, arcade fire, college rock

mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:33 (two months ago) link

Foster and Allen - still going strong and all outstanding debts to revenue.ie have been paid up, venues sold out everywhere from Kerry to Glasgow to Australia! 2020 will be a big year for them.

calzino, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:34 (two months ago) link

I think George Michael is a good example of someone who was written off as a complete joke in the 80s but whose reputation has steadily grown to the point where there's hardly any detractors left today.

Good one. I think there's something unique in this decade in regards to artists legacies in relation to their death. In that, due to being in the midst of the streaming/social media, everyone's legacy immediately improves after their death. The public nature of the grieving, the sharing of stories about the artists personal influence on someone, easily shareable articles on their wider importance, and their entire catalogue being able to be streamed at the click of a button. I even feel like this is the case with Bowie, where, y'know, his legacy was probably in a DECENT place in 2009 despite it being a quiet decade for him, but Blackstar and the appraisal of his impact/work that has continued since his death has only strengthened his legacy.

I mean, people even started to really ride for Soundgarden after Chris Cornell passed.

triggercut, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:37 (two months ago) link

But I think GMs stock was already at an all time high even before his death.

btw electro and italo disco stock definitely down

Siegbran, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:38 (two months ago) link

r.e.m.'s stock has gone down, not really clear why apart from less of a critical focus on college rock etc with the 80s

ufo, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:40 (two months ago) link

Consider how beloved and 'important' Animal Collective were in 2009 compared to now.

triggercut, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:42 (two months ago) link

Huh. I would have thought Italo Disco went up what with stuff like Synthwave becoming a big thing in the decade, and people like Giorgio Moroder, who I releaize is not necessarily Italo Disco, gaining new exposure via that Daft Punk album.

MarkoP, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:43 (two months ago) link

The big italo revival was around 2005, it's been fading ever since.

Siegbran, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:45 (two months ago) link

(and synthwave as the dead cat bounce)

Siegbran, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:46 (two months ago) link

I don’t think numetal is being reconsidered yet, and hope it never does.

i don't know about the genre as a whole, but system of a down and korn have both been elevated above their peers for a while now

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:47 (two months ago) link

no one really seems to care about basement jaxx these days unfortunately, compared to the acclaim they got at their peak

ufo, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:48 (two months ago) link

Also the Deftones.

Not so much Limp Bizkit, thankfully.

MarkoP, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:48 (two months ago) link

Xxpost: Mac Demarco is certainly one of the main exponents but I think it can be traced back to Daft Punk’s Discovery reevaluation and popularity. The whole album but particularly singles like “digital love” and “something about us” kind of have soft rock dna in them. Then came Phoenix, Ariel Pink, Toro y Moi further solidifying it as “cool” with the kids. By the time Destroyer’s Kaputt and Cass Mccombs “county line” came out, most critics couldn’t resist it anymore. Bon Iver kind of popularized and made it influential it in a different vein, Anderson Paak, and Thundercat are also influenced by that sound. And of course Mac Demarco in a right place, right time event rose to the top as one of its champions.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:48 (two months ago) link

Limp Bizkit now firmly established as Classic Rock icons.

Siegbran, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:50 (two months ago) link

Vampire Weekend too with that heavy Paul Simon influence should be mentioned on that initial wave of indie that helped make soft rock cool again.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:50 (two months ago) link

Air: 10,000 Hz Legend is also ground zero for the soft rock revival I think.

Siegbran, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:51 (two months ago) link

Re: Vampire Weekend, I got the vibe that by 2009 they were already lumped in with all the other bargain bin hype indie that surfaced during the mid-to-late 00s and was quickly forgotten about, but they surprisingly (for me, anyway) turned out to be something special.

triggercut, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 15:53 (two months ago) link

Justin Bieber is probably more critically acclaimed now than ten years ago. Not that it takes a lot.

The GeirBot (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 16:13 (two months ago) link

David Boeie? Although his 00s albums were not at all bad, he was still very much considered a has been in 2009. Then he signed off with two magnificient albuns that were almost up there with his 70s masterpieces

The GeirBot (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 16:19 (two months ago) link

I feel like Cardiacs belong here - when I got into them around 2005 they were still virtually unknown, but since then it seems like the internet's vast recommendation algorithms and the explosion of music communities have led them to their audience. maybe I'm wrong here but they seem to be more popular now than they were in their day, even though their last album was 20 years ago

frogbs, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 16:34 (two months ago) link

Geir....otm

omar little, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 16:35 (two months ago) link

omg Geir returns!

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 16:35 (two months ago) link

The best example I can think of is Timbaland, whose legacy/influence seems to have taken a nosedive.

daavid, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 16:35 (two months ago) link

their fans have an annoying habit of going on about them somewhat xps

imago, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 16:37 (two months ago) link

xp Pharrell as well, to a degree

stan by me (morrisp), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 16:38 (two months ago) link

stock up: '80s rnb, mixtape rap, new age, sophisti-pop
stock down: turn of the decade indie, freak-folk, arcade fire, college rock

― mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Tuesday, July 9, 2019 10:33 AM (fifty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i guess the thread question was more about artists, so i'll explain myself a bit

'80s rnb: sade, whitney houston, anita baker, luther vandross, etc. are definitely held in higher regard by the cool kids today.
mixtape rap: mostly thinking of gucci mane, but as the children of the late '00s come of age, things like kush & oj by wiz khalifa have gotten some late-breaking praise. still waiting on the long-deserved young dro canonization.
new age: can't think of many specific examples, maybe kaitlin aurelia smith--either way, new age isn't just considered a travel shop curiosity anymore
sophisti-pop: tears for fears, steely dan, prefab sprout--"cool" in alternative music is defined less and less by the punk kids, so these smooth-sounding gentlemen earned a bump in reputation

turn-of-the-decade indie: enjoying some retrospectives this year, but nearly every band (except VW and The National) have seen massive decreases in sales and critical attention. we don't live in a gapdy world anymore.
freak-folk: does anybody remember devendra banhart? that dude dated natalie portman
arcade fire: self-explanatory
college rock: idk if its reputation has suffered so much, but other concurrent genres (sophisti-pop, rnb, etc.) have increased in esteem--rem and company aren't put on a pedestal above their contemporaries anymore

mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 16:39 (two months ago) link

I mean, people even started to really ride for Soundgarden after Chris Cornell passed.

― triggercut, Tuesday, July 9, 2019 8:37 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

ah yes, "started"

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 16:39 (two months ago) link

i'm not sure if the critical view on late-90s/early 00s work of pharrell and timbo have taken a nosedive, just that they've been making music for over a decade that hasn't approached those heights

mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 16:40 (two months ago) link

Yacht Rock/Sophistipop has definitely been rehabilitated

Is nu-metal cool again? I definitely feel like it isnt (and I also hope not).

Has REM's stock fallen? I'm not sure it has

. (Michael B), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 16:40 (two months ago) link

stock down: interesting melodies
stock up: diaphanous floaty moodz

imago, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 16:41 (two months ago) link

stock way up: things that have both of those

mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 16:42 (two months ago) link

I mean, people even started to really ride for Soundgarden STP after Chris Cornell Scott Weiland passed.

Fixed.

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 16:42 (two months ago) link

i don't think grimes can singlehandedly rehabilitate nu-metal

related: i put on the slipknot s/t the other day. good record

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 16:43 (two months ago) link

i think w/any artist who dies cf. Chris Cornell their legacy is almost always positively reassessed though i do think for someone like Bowie leaving on top did in fact make his death more of an event and boosted his legacy a bit more.

w/Cornell for me i guess it made me revisit some of his work and it brought me back to my torn jeans small town era, driving around blasting Temple of the Dog and singing "i'm goin hungray" w/o any irony whatsoever. and i mean I've subsequently heard cuts from the first Audioslave and my appreciation for his skills and that LP grew.

omar little, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 16:45 (two months ago) link

I don't know if nu-metal is cool or critically acceptable, but I've definitely noticed more fond nostalgia for it among younger people who were kids/in middle school when it was around. Same for mallpunk emo (which is basically how you end up with Lil Peep etc).

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 16:50 (two months ago) link

i am def one of those people but the relentless juvenilia of nu-metal is hard to critically reevaluate. i'd say everyone's been right to focus on deftones and system of a down to the exclusion of everything else. korn is a fascinating band to me in that they have like five "return to our roots" albums at this point, always after they do something nakedly commercial (the record they did with the matrix, the dubstep korn record), none of them good

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 16:54 (two months ago) link

except for the one coming out maybe. the single is great

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 16:54 (two months ago) link

Lennon was also the guy who in his last interview got emotional on learning that "Happy Xmas (War is Over)" had become a standard in England and admitted to being a sentimentalist "just as much as Paul." Dude had contradictions!

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 August 2019 16:06 (one month ago) link

I know earlier we discussed the idea of Zappa aging into a cranky facts and logic guy but imho Lennon would have been just as likely a candidate for that

― Simon H., Thursday, August 15, 2019 7:48 AM (one hour ago)

john lennon was a leftist edge-lord and would be telling the truth about syria

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CXQiStxWwAEEM9u.jpg

bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 15 August 2019 16:10 (one month ago) link

Yes, idea that Lennon was immune to sentiment is nonsense, Goodnight, Beautiful Boy, Oh Yoko etc Tough exterior, soft centre.

Dan Worsley, Thursday, 15 August 2019 16:11 (one month ago) link

Any one of us would've gotten as sick of the singing as Yoko did.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 August 2019 16:14 (one month ago) link

he was a born asshole and spent his whole life pushing against that tendency in himself. with mixed results, sure, but he had a family he loved and who supported him and he didn't give up. i don't know what that would he'd look like today but assuming he would turn into some execrable New Atheist is a big assumption!

Abigail, Wife of Preserved Fish (rushomancy), Thursday, 15 August 2019 16:16 (one month ago) link

What interview was this? Mayo is very sweet, AFAIK

I think it was this one? http://mattendahl.blogspot.com/2012/06/interview-with-mayo-thompson-part-one.html

To me it reads as really pretentious and kind of, "well, we were blowing everyone out of the water and no one understood what we were on about bc we were so far ahead of the game"

Which, whatever. I think he WAS making interesting and great stuff at the time which WAS distinct from much of what was going on, and I get that ppl who find themselves in that position sometimes just have like entirely different brain stuff going on which doesn't necessarily translate well into making good conversation at cocktail parties or whatever. But that said, there's something kind of exhausting about the way he communicates at least in that interview. like, come down to earth or whatever.

dell (del), Thursday, 15 August 2019 16:17 (one month ago) link

I recall reading this before... I think it's very interesting!

Stub yr toe on the yacht rock (morrisp), Thursday, 15 August 2019 16:37 (one month ago) link

now I'm thinking what's going to be laughably passé in 2029... like who is the GADPY of 2019? who has the furthest to fall?

flappy bird, Thursday, 15 August 2019 16:43 (one month ago) link

GADPY probably my least favorite ILM acronym, can never remember what it refers to and then of course it's something ridiculously nerdy and specific

Οὖτις, Thursday, 15 August 2019 16:45 (one month ago) link

it stands for Gaye Bykers on Acid

dell (del), Thursday, 15 August 2019 16:52 (one month ago) link

who has the furthest to fall?

Taylor Swift. Beyonce.

dell (del), Thursday, 15 August 2019 16:53 (one month ago) link

GADPY probably my least favorite ILM acronym, can never remember what it refers to and then of course it's something ridiculously nerdy and specific

― Οὖτις, Thursday, August 15, 2019 9:45 AM (eight minutes ago)

ILM didn't originate this

bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 15 August 2019 16:56 (one month ago) link

? who did?

Οὖτις, Thursday, 15 August 2019 16:57 (one month ago) link

I recall reading this before... I think it's very interesting!

I dunno. He just comes across as kind of insufferable to me. for an interview, there is no "I and thou" element -- it reads more as just him downloading data into the interviewer's brain. And a good part of the data seems to involve him casually comparing himself to Mozart and looking down on his (Mayo's) contemporaries, w the exception of maybe Ayler and Coltrane. I could get down with all of that in other circumstances, but there is something about his tone that I find off-putting.

for example,
We found that logic played a role in our thinking and in nobody else's. It was very simple to operate within parameters; to set up formal problems and work the logical parameters as they appear. Say you want to put some scrutiny on the idea of instruments. You find that on that record. So we start with, “This is a guitar. It has six strings. They are usually not tuned like this. They're played like this, but they usually don't sound like this.” [“Free Guitar”] is an exploration of the guitar as a set piece, as a trap, as an instrument: a thing that produces a certain kind of sound. There is no generic commitment to anything on that record. Idiom is deployed … not at all. There's no quotation in it, as such, there's merely instantiation. And so, expectation and anticipation become quite abstract. You don't sit there and wait for a chorus. If you're waiting for the chorus, you'll find out after so many minutes, "Doesn't look like there's gonna be a chorus here." That kind of stuff; that's what I mean by logic: creating a logical environment in which you set up a number of operators, you specify relations between them, and the results are what you might call facts. Where logic itself is turned into a kind of score.

I guess I get what he is saying but I find the way he talks, let alone the concept he is describing, to be really charmless. Haven't read the John Lennon Playboy interview, but I suspect its oodles of magnitude more amusing.

dell (del), Thursday, 15 August 2019 17:03 (one month ago) link

(pretend there is an apostrophe up there)

dell (del), Thursday, 15 August 2019 17:04 (one month ago) link

Here's how the interviewer frames the discussion, I doubt Mayo's detailed and technical/theoretical responses were unwelcome:

I was particularly interested in the musical "logic" used to record the album Coconut Hotel. I suspected that the Red Krayola was essentially exploring "free improvisation", contemporaneous with groups like AMM and Musica Elettronica Viva.

Stub yr toe on the yacht rock (morrisp), Thursday, 15 August 2019 17:05 (one month ago) link

(I also doubt Mayo would give the same kind of responses in a Playboy interview, or be asked the same questions!)

Stub yr toe on the yacht rock (morrisp), Thursday, 15 August 2019 17:06 (one month ago) link

xps Shakey I was mostly thinking of Animal Collective, like who is the 2009 Animal Collective of 2019

flappy bird, Thursday, 15 August 2019 17:06 (one month ago) link

Here's a recent-ish online Q&A sesh w/Mayo

sidewiththeseeds
What are your thoughts on the Velvet Underground?

MayoThompson
Love them to death

Stub yr toe on the yacht rock (morrisp), Thursday, 15 August 2019 17:11 (one month ago) link

Yeah... I guess when i read interviews w ppl whose music I like I am generally pleasantly surprised by how humble and self-effacing they are. He just rubs me the wrong way in this interview... Which, is fine and to be expected. He's a weirdo. But not my preferred sort I guess.

dell (del), Thursday, 15 August 2019 17:14 (one month ago) link

Thanks for that reddit link (words I never imagined I would type!!!!) he really does seem like a sweet dude. I guess it was just the context of the interview itself that I posted. Or indigestion issues of its reader/would-be interpreter.

dell (del), Thursday, 15 August 2019 17:17 (one month ago) link

I know, I *hate* linking to Reddit, lol

Stub yr toe on the yacht rock (morrisp), Thursday, 15 August 2019 17:19 (one month ago) link


side with the seeds
What are your thoughts on Gaye Bykers on Acid

MayoThompson
Grebo is where it's at

dell (del), Thursday, 15 August 2019 17:20 (one month ago) link

Heh, among other issues the format is maddening to navigate. But, for whatever reasons the AMAs manage to shine at times. (am particularly thinking of the recent Bernie Sanders, David Berman ones...)

I am a big Felt guy and was skimming to see if anyone on there asked him about producing The Poem of the River. iirc Lawrence supposedly recorded his vocals in the dark for that one? And now repudiates the production i think? I personally think it's a very warm-sounding record. The guitar tones alone, wow.

dell (del), Thursday, 15 August 2019 17:25 (one month ago) link

who is the 2009 Animal Collective of 2019

I don't know if there's an answer to that since 2019 hasn't had an album that has dominated the critical conversation like MPP did in 2009.

So at this point, I'm just gonna say Big Thief.

MarkoP, Thursday, 15 August 2019 17:31 (one month ago) link

Or Lana Del Rey, since I could see this being the last year where she puts out something that gets a lot of recognition.

MarkoP, Thursday, 15 August 2019 17:33 (one month ago) link

^right, that's closer to what I mean. 2009 AC isn't just MPP, it was the peak of a decade of gradually increasing critical respect + (relative) commercial success

LDR fits, first album in 2012 and NFR looks like it could be her masterpiece

flappy bird, Thursday, 15 August 2019 17:39 (one month ago) link

It’s not GADPY, it’s GAPDY.

Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 15 August 2019 18:04 (one month ago) link

GADPY probably my least favorite ILM acronym, can never remember what it refers to and then of course it's something ridiculously nerdy and specific

― Οὖτις, Thursday, August 15, 2019 9:45 AM (eight minutes ago)

ILM didn't originate this

― bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Thursday, August 15, 2019 12:56 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Think again!

Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 15 August 2019 18:07 (one month ago) link

I always get it wrong xp

flappy bird, Thursday, 15 August 2019 18:10 (one month ago) link

Also, there is no GAPDY analogue anymore thanks to poptimism/the reappraisal of R&B/way more rap coverage/ and a general move of music criticism away from "straight white college men elevating other straight white college men"

The whole Mitski/Dacus/Parquet/Soccer Mommy/Barnett/Snail Mail/War on Drugs/Kurt Vile/US Girls/Boygenius axis could have been gappin everything in its absence, but it's not that world anymore

Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 15 August 2019 18:14 (one month ago) link

revival of mashup thread makes me think mashups generally have suffered massively in the 2010s and that therefore Girl Talk's legacy must have worsened. but i guess the thread doesn't really work the same way for artists that came onto the scene in the 2000s, and maybe especially not novelty/phenomena things that nobody really expected to be actively listened to years down the road.

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 15 August 2019 18:31 (one month ago) link

that mayo thompson interview doesn't strike me as being insufferable. he's talking about the band's creative process. if he's an asshole for engaging in an interview that goes beyond the "where do you get your ideas from" cliches than i wish there were more thoughtful and articulate assholes like him!

Abigail, Wife of Preserved Fish (rushomancy), Thursday, 15 August 2019 18:36 (one month ago) link

how the xx have fallen as they dont even get added to gapdy anymore

Thus Spoke Darraghustra (Oor Neechy), Thursday, 15 August 2019 18:42 (one month ago) link

revival of mashup thread makes me think mashups generally have suffered massively in the 2010s and that therefore Girl Talk's legacy must have worsened. but i guess the thread doesn't really work the same way for artists that came onto the scene in the 2000s, and maybe especially not novelty/phenomena things that nobody really expected to be actively listened to years down the road.

i played out a few mashups last friday, and they went down an absolute storm.
you just have to select carefully.
that said, Girl Talk never had a decent flow, i never liked the 100 tracks per minute aspect of his thing.

mark e, Thursday, 15 August 2019 19:04 (one month ago) link

Gapdyxx?

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 15 August 2019 19:05 (one month ago) link

GADPY probably my least favorite ILM acronym, can never remember what it refers to and then of course it's something ridiculously nerdy and specific
― Οὖτις, Thursday, August 15, 2019 9:45 AM (eight minutes ago)

ILM didn't originate this

― bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Thursday, August 15, 2019 12:56 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Think again!

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, August 15, 2019 11:07 AM (fifty-nine minutes ago)

oops.

bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 15 August 2019 19:07 (one month ago) link

guys Lennon is five seasons deep on his podcast, but he records it in LA

https://www.earwolf.com/show/questions-for-lennon/

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, 15 August 2019 19:10 (one month ago) link

mashups are def in right now, they just gotta be a little funny is all

frogbs, Thursday, 15 August 2019 19:37 (one month ago) link

ha see i preferred girl talk at the 100 track per minute level, and for ages was tinkering on my own version of same. my feeling was that by the 2010 album he's really lost the plot by streamlining it down to much fewer and more obvious samples, the delirium was gone. probably he just didn't have time to craft the things at the same level, having become a worldwide sensation.

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 15 August 2019 19:48 (one month ago) link

I am a big Felt guy and was skimming to see if anyone on there asked him about producing The Poem of the River. iirc Lawrence supposedly recorded his vocals in the dark for that one? And now repudiates the production i think?

Alan only ever asked me to do two things, otherwise he left me on my own. He decided to have a house producer at Creation. He said, “From now on, everyone has got to use the same producer, like at Motown. It will be Mayo Thompson.” In the end, only two of us used Mayo before he was dumped. It didn’t work out at all.
...
You could write a book on that one. I took it here, I took it there; I remixed it. We took it to Robin (Guthrie) to try to rescue it; we chucked two songs off; we wrote two new songs for it. Poem… is a great album and people love it, but it’s like an album with a mental illness. It’s crazy.

https://recordcollectormag.com/articles/lawrence

visiting, Thursday, 15 August 2019 20:03 (one month ago) link

It’s funny how it has like the EXACT OPPOSITE problem that ignite has

brimstead, Thursday, 15 August 2019 20:45 (one month ago) link

Ha, thanks visiting. I swear I read something, I'm too lazy to look it up right now, where he recorded his vocals in the dark

I do love the original finished product. The guitars sound so warm. I'm the last person to ever be accused of being an audiophile, but I am not a huge fan of the remastered Felt reissues. There is a remoteness, vox and instruments seem distant somehow where they were formerly more intimate. I dunno what that's about, but also granted I don't listen to music mostly under the most ideal audiophile setups. I am a rather crude and simple man, you see...

Bizarre that he would take it to Robin Guthrie, as I thought Lawrence famously hated the production on ignite the seven... regardless, poem is yah kind of a weird record for someone as ocd as he to have put out in its final form. it is essentially a couple of hippie jams bookended by a bizarre "rock" song, the most beautiful jazz-inflected lyrical pop song ever, a dylan-ish tell-off, and a nick drake wadoff. That said, it is so good. PJR is even better and more insane by my standards, but then I love half-assed demo shit in which ppl spend a half hour complaining about the state of the world in two-minute bursts .it is like nutella to a honeybear for me.

dell (del), Thursday, 15 August 2019 23:37 (one month ago) link

brimstead, i'm not even sure what you mean, but preemptory lol. i guess artists are notoriously bad at evaluating their own stuff and what of it appeals to fans, etc.

dell (del), Thursday, 15 August 2019 23:40 (one month ago) link

What podcasts would Genghis Khan, Elagabalus, Socrates, Ching Shih, Helena Blavatsky and Henry 8th be on if they just stuck around a tad longer?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 16 August 2019 19:08 (one month ago) link

The Bugle

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 16 August 2019 19:37 (one month ago) link

Ching Shih would be a good chapo ep

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Friday, 16 August 2019 19:47 (one month ago) link

^^^^^^ pretentious as fuck. None of these are as good as Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 16 August 2019 21:24 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

when I work out Friends is always on, albeit with the volume off. to me the show is just an endless series of long conversations that end in 2 characters making out

― frogbs, Wednesday, July 17, 2019 10:24 AM (one month ago)

Here’s an article about this phenomenon: https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/aug/21/the-age-of-comfort-tv-why-people-are-secretly-watching-friends-and-the-office-on-a-loop

Stub yr toe on the yacht rock (morrisp), Saturday, 31 August 2019 20:52 (three weeks ago) link


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