Sleater-Kinney - The Center Won't Hold - August 16th

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Tracks:

The Center Won't Hold
Hurry On Home
Reach Out
Can I Go On
Restless
Ruins
LOVE
Bad Dance
The Future Is Here
The Dog/ The Body
Broken

Lyric Vid for "The Future Is Here"

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 14 June 2019 14:51 (two years ago) link

well St. Vincent definitely produced this!

need to let this sink in, just because it doesn't really feel like "Sleater-Kinney" to me

but at this point I guess why not do something different?

I love "Hurry on Home" -- I've woken up with the hook in my head -- and it sounds great on my phone next to new Madonna and new Roisin Murphy.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 June 2019 14:57 (two years ago) link

Article doesn't formally introduce St. Vincent -- it just sez "They turned to synths and effects and Clark" -- so I kind of wonder if it's missing some text.

Shoegazi (Leee), Friday, 14 June 2019 22:37 (two years ago) link

This:

“Sympathy” was about her son, Marshall, who was born prematurely and had to fight for his life. He just graduated high school.

Good god, I'm old.

Shoegazi (Leee), Friday, 14 June 2019 23:09 (two years ago) link

Yeah, that was eye-opening to say the least.

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 14 June 2019 23:14 (two years ago) link

"Hurry on Home" sounded like a St. Vincent song to me but I'm digging "The Future Is Here" and Corin singing lower.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, 15 June 2019 00:58 (two years ago) link

"The Future is Here" doesn't sound like SK at all and it is awesome.

Shoegazi (Leee), Monday, 17 June 2019 17:43 (two years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xrSuIqrhRU

"Hurry On Home", from last night's Fallon.

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 20 June 2019 20:27 (two years ago) link

The visual aspect of that performance doesn't seem to sit well with them, Carrie's vox seem a little flat too.

Shoegazi (Leee), Monday, 24 June 2019 18:17 (one year ago) link

I'll never ever in my life be a Jimmy Fallon fan but I have to admit it's pretty fucking rad to see how jazzed he was about S-K.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Monday, 24 June 2019 18:21 (one year ago) link

then again maybe it's just that he and Carrie are comedy buds.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Monday, 24 June 2019 18:22 (one year ago) link

The visual aspect of that performance doesn't seem to sit well with them, Carrie's vox seem a little flat too.

― Shoegazi (Leee), Monday, 24 June 2019 19:17 (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah, i kinda agree with this; always loved sk's earnestness and the archness of this performance doesn't really fit

devvvine, Monday, 24 June 2019 18:28 (one year ago) link

They seem to be mimicking St. Vincent.

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Monday, 24 June 2019 18:50 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

The first two minutes sound like a forced HERE'S OUR NEW DIRECTION and the last minute sounds like an equally forced WAIT COME BACK WE'RE STILL SLEATER-KINNEY

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 14:50 (one year ago) link

The first two minutes sound like a forced HERE'S OUR NEW DIRECTION and the last minute sounds like an equally forced WAIT COME BACK WE'RE STILL SLEATER-KINNEY

― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, July 17, 2019 9:50 AM (twenty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

If you don't mind me inquiring? What exactly does "forced" sound like , I feel it's most likely you attributing your feelings to the new direction the band is taking. I for one see this as a good mixture of their new sound and old sound, but by no means forced , whatever that means

aguzman1990, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 15:19 (one year ago) link

I feel it's most likely you attributing your feelings to the new direction the band is taking.

It means that I am taking their new direction as a personal affront.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 15:21 (one year ago) link

That closing minute does feel awkwardly tacked on. Weirdly, this sounds even more like a Fridmann production than The Woods did?

Simon H., Wednesday, 17 July 2019 15:25 (one year ago) link

It means that I am taking their new direction as a personal affront.

I was more interested in what "forced" sounded like, since I see it being applied in many instances. Intuitively speaking all music is in some way or shape could be considered "forced", but I don't think it necessarily makes it bad.

aguzman1990, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 15:27 (one year ago) link

But seriously, I liked the two other new songs, but by "forced" I mean that they don't sound particularly engaged with what they're doing, and they're self-consciously playing at the surface elements of the new and old approaches (which do not, to me, come together in a "mixture," but are separate and distinct segments of the song).

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 15:28 (one year ago) link

this sure sounds like an opening track

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 16:02 (one year ago) link

their lyrics still kind of suck, why didn't they think about updating THAT approach

j., Wednesday, 17 July 2019 16:26 (one year ago) link

maybe "labored"is better? to me, truly great rock bands (which I consider SK) have a way of sounding like themselves, even if they have albums as different as Dig Me Out, The Hot Rock and The Woods

great bands also have a really distinctive way they play together musically as a unit, something I felt like SK did, and this new direction strips them of that without really adding anything interesting outside of a very staid idea of "interesting production" that doesn't feel very fresh or interesting to me

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 16:36 (one year ago) link

"Weirdly, this sounds even more like a Fridmann production than The Woods did"

that's one of the worst sounding albums I've ever heard. This at least sounds better than that.

akm, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 16:37 (one year ago) link

that was rough. i hate how affected some of the singing is on these tracks.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 17:12 (one year ago) link

what a horrible development for a band so well known for singing without affectation

maybe "labored"is better? to me, truly great rock bands (which I consider SK) have a way of sounding like themselves, even if they have albums as different as Dig Me Out, The Hot Rock and The Woods

great bands also have a really distinctive way they play together musically as a unit, something I felt like SK did, and this new direction strips them of that without really adding anything interesting outside of a very staid idea of "interesting production" that doesn't feel very fresh or interesting to me

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, July 17, 2019 12:36 PM (forty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

This is otm.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 17:32 (one year ago) link

Carrie sez:

What am I supposed to say? She left. We asked her to stay. We tried. It’s hard and sad. Most people would ask me, “hey are you ok?” That’s the human response. She’s left us with a job to do, a job we also expected and wanted her to be a part of. Her playing on this record is amazing and she’s raved about this album to us and to Annie. But we have to keep looking to the future. Things change, even when those changes are hard and unexpected. Four amazing women worked on this record and we are going to honor that work. So, what’s up? The usual….Women picking up the pieces when someone quits, because we have to and want to. We’re going to keep going because we believe in ourselves and it’s a privilege to get to play music for people. It’s a new chapter. And all artistic entities have many chapters, if they’re lucky. Either the music will resonate or it won’t.

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/carrie-brownstein-on-janet-weiss-what-am-i-supposed-to-say-she-left-we-asked-her-to-stay-we-tried/

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 17:51 (one year ago) link

The back half of "Center Won't Hold" sounds almost metal!

Coelacanth Green (Leee), Thursday, 18 July 2019 00:38 (one year ago) link

i dig this new track and have come around to liking "hurry on home," at least

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 18 July 2019 00:50 (one year ago) link

also this dry one liner shouldn't go unnoticed

I don't get wet because I am tall and thin and I am afraid of people (Eliza D.) at 12:18 17 Jul 19

what a horrible development for a band so well known for singing without affectation

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 18 July 2019 00:50 (one year ago) link

i mean like....their singing is much, much more affected now that it was on dig me out or the hot rock or all hands. it's not really a welcome development for me.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 18 July 2019 00:51 (one year ago) link

Can't wait for their back to basics album in '21

calstars, Thursday, 18 July 2019 01:15 (one year ago) link

Carrie sounds about as affected as ever in the first two minutes, she's always been a distant second to Corin in singing anyway IMO.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 18 July 2019 01:55 (one year ago) link

carrie used to just kind of talk-sing and now she's doing......something

call all destroyer, Thursday, 18 July 2019 02:13 (one year ago) link

can we all finally admit Quasi >

Hannah GAPDY (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 18 July 2019 03:53 (one year ago) link

If only Sam whatshisface didn't sing, perhaps.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 18 July 2019 04:00 (one year ago) link

irl lol Grisso

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 18 July 2019 14:34 (one year ago) link

If you're talking about Carrie's nasally singing, she started that at least as far back as One Beat ("Oxygen" comes to mind), and I probably the beginnings of it on "The Size of Our Love."

Coelacanth Green (Leee), Thursday, 18 July 2019 16:34 (one year ago) link

Finally listened to the single, it's fucking fantastic, I love that bizarre trad rock reprisal at the end. this shit sounds so cool, thank u st. vincent

flappy bird, Saturday, 20 July 2019 03:49 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

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☮ (peace, man), Monday, 5 August 2019 18:14 (one year ago) link

I still find the last album incredibly moving and love every song, nothing has really changed that. New song's pretty good.

swing out sister: live in new donk city (geoffreyess), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 15:36 (one month ago) link

I love TCWH -- easily my favorite S-K, up there with One Beat. And it sounds/feels like S-K; my initial impression of the opening song was that it felt forced, but I don't hear it that way anymore, and Janet's presence is essential to what makes TCWH great.

The new song feels tentative, though. It also reminds me a lot of this (which is not why I think it feels tentative, tbc):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaEZ8k7K44o

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 15:42 (one month ago) link

The level of personal identification fans had with S-K makes the response unsurprising to me. Add in that they were so much stronger together than separately (except for Janet, ironically - Wild Flag and the Corin Tucker Band were not great, Quasi rules) for a topper.

The St. Vincent storyline was unfair to her and the band, the last album being written remotely and traded back and forth via Logic Pro files seemed like a much bigger issue.

Joe Bombin (milo z), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 15:45 (one month ago) link

the 'st vincent ruined the band' thing seemed to be a combination of people unhappy with the different musical direction and looking for someone to blame for the interpersonal conflict, and of course st vincent being carrie's ex fuelled that narrative further in line with classic misogynistic rock narratives

ufo, Tuesday, 11 May 2021 15:58 (one month ago) link

The irony of the wrongheaded "St. Vincent ruined them!" take is that it was Janet's idea to bring in St. Vincent.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 16:03 (one month ago) link

Re: Change Display Name

Dave Abbruzzese’s firing from Pearl Jam comes to mind, as it really showed the band’s vindictive and petty nature, and it left a bitter taste for many fans. His crime? Probably doing too many of the publicity rounds that Epic was asking them to undertake

beamish13, Tuesday, 11 May 2021 16:07 (one month ago) link

He bought a flashy new car that Vedder didn't like.

Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 11 May 2021 16:08 (one month ago) link

Bill Berry & REM?

blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 16:14 (one month ago) link

Berry/R.E.M. is interesting, as the band

1. Never formally found a replacement

2. Berry became a huge cheerleader of the group’s efforts without him

beamish13, Tuesday, 11 May 2021 16:15 (one month ago) link

I got the sense that decision was more driven by Berry? just not wanting the grind anymore, or at least that is my memory

Yes, Berry was deeply unhappy with touring and the responsibilities of being in a major label’s flagship band, and he realized he never needed to work again

beamish13, Tuesday, 11 May 2021 16:20 (one month ago) link

I was thinking more like in fan reaction ("It hasn't been the same since Bill left maaaan..."), and how it gave lie to the whole "If one of us stops, we all stop" ethos that REM had prior to his exit.

Ultimately not the best example.

blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 16:22 (one month ago) link

He'd had a near-death experience (aneurysm) on their last (?) tour, and wanted to live on a farm. iirc, he made sure to wait until whatever big album-tour cycle was over, so as not to leave them scrambling for a replacement. But yeah, it was Berry's decision, though he did say, "If you break up because I'm leaving, then I won't leave."

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 16:23 (one month ago) link

GnR fans mostly prefer Steven Adler to Matt Sorum these days, but I don't remember there being a big backlash when Steven was kicked out.

Feel like Queens of the Stone Age fans have some passionate opinions about their drummer rotation as well. "When are they gonna bring Dave back, maaaaan?" But no one's stopped buying their albums because of it.

lol xp to c. grisso on the "maaaaan"

peace, man, Tuesday, 11 May 2021 16:25 (one month ago) link

no qotsa fan in their right mind would sub grohl for jon theodore

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 16:30 (one month ago) link

I really never thought of Grohl as part of the band

with Queens I feel like pre and post Nick Oliveri is a thing

Oh yeah, the Nick opinions are fiercer.

xp: agreed, but...

peace, man, Tuesday, 11 May 2021 16:34 (one month ago) link

Tracklist:

1. Path of Wellness
2. High In The Grass
3. Worry With You
4. Method
5. Shadow Town
6. Favorite Neighbor
7. Tomorrow's Grave
8. No Knives
9. Complex Female Characters
10. Down The Line
11. Bring Mercy

blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 16:47 (one month ago) link

Lots of bands have of course lost and gained members, drummers included. I think the vibe I get from this sort of situation is that S-K as Carrie, Corin & Janet felt like a team, a unit, and then they collectively tossed in the towel and took a final bow as S-K together. Granted, no bands ever seem to break up anymore, but that aside, the reunion made the most impact as a unit as well, like the return of your favorite team. When Janet left it felt ... less than amicable. Which in turn made it seem like the team was less a team, less a unit, and more Corin and Carrie, plus Janet, which felt a little like at least a symbolic betrayal of what they were, or at least appeared to be. A bit like when Dave Lombardo left or was kicked out of Slayer at various points. When someone so seemingly key is made to look replaceable or expendable, it kind of pokes a hole in the whole illusion of invincible indivisibility, us against the world. Now, does it matter? Probably not, but it does change the personality (literally and figuratively) of the band a bit.

Another good example might be Cheap Trick without Bun E.. Like, Black Sabbath, they have hated each other for years, so firing Bill Ward was very much in cynical character. But Cheap Trick also felt like a team, and Bun E. was pushed out under less than honorable circumstances. Which may explain why he remains (post litigation) a shareholder in Cheap Trick, Inc., and iirc gets paid even as the band plays without him.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 May 2021 16:50 (one month ago) link

Which in turn made it seem like the team was less a team, less a unit, and more Corin and Carrie, plus Janet, which felt a little like at least a symbolic betrayal of what they were, or at least appeared to be.

and of course according to janet that was the exact reason for the split - the other two weren't interested in having her be a creative equal anymore

ufo, Tuesday, 11 May 2021 16:56 (one month ago) link

The Woods remains fantastic.

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 00:21 (one month ago) link

if it said "Carrie Brownstein" or "Corin Tucker Band" on the cover no one would care. their solo tours would probably draw 1/3 of the crowds at best

I was curious, so I checked out Corin's solo page on Spotify, and--while I know those two albums were a long time ago and even then they weren't super well-promoted or toured behind--I was shocked that her current monthly listeners count is 404. As in 4 over 400.

For comparison, Wild Flag have 5,783.

blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 01:54 (one month ago) link

And Sleater-Kinney have 319,647.

blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 01:56 (one month ago) link

wow yeah that's even lower than I thought

that first Wild Flag record rules

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 01:57 (one month ago) link

Curated Playlist of Inspirations for the new one:

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1YdiSxLyGMa6z2EEVMTqxm?si=atrgu3HzQL6wq4_FRi8qog

Genesis! Rufus! Armatrading!

blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 18 May 2021 20:48 (one month ago) link

not much to glean from that except that the new alb will prob emphasize keyboards of some kind

the mai tai quinn (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 18 May 2021 20:50 (one month ago) link

I was curious, so I checked out Corin's solo page on Spotify, and--while I know those two albums were a long time ago and even then they weren't super well-promoted or toured behind--I was shocked that her current monthly listeners count is 404. As in 4 over 400.

For comparison, Wild Flag have 5,783.

Heavens to Betsy has 18,392 monthly listeners though.

Chris L, Wednesday, 19 May 2021 12:07 (one month ago) link

New Interview: https://www.vulture.com/article/interview-sleater-kinney-carrie-brownstein-corin-tucker-path-of-wellness.html

Vulture: In 2019, Janet Weiss suggested that she had been shut out of decision-making processes in the band and that was why she left. I’m curious how you feel about that characterization.

CB: I mean, anyone who thinks there aren’t multiple perspectives and sides to this is either being willfully ignorant or perhaps lacks their own real-life experience. To be honest, I’m not interested in continuing to talk about something that really seems to revel in female cattiness and conjecture and confirmation bias.

Carrie is also going to direct a Heart biopic.

blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 25 May 2021 20:26 (four weeks ago) link

sounds like no love lost between them and Janet, that's unfortunate

akm, Tuesday, 25 May 2021 20:36 (four weeks ago) link

Heavens to Betsy has 18,392 monthly listeners though.

That's impressive! I do wonder how much of that comes from algorithms bumping tracks as 'related' programming after S-K/Bikini Kill/etc. albums.

FWIW, Filthy Friends currently have 804 monthly listeners. One one hand I get it because I only know about their second album because I get emails from Kill Rock Stars, but otoh I thought REM stans would be more supportive.

blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 25 May 2021 20:38 (four weeks ago) link

No Spotify in senior living facilities.

Joe Bombin (milo z), Tuesday, 25 May 2021 20:40 (four weeks ago) link

It's The End of The World As We Know It (And Get Off My Lawn!)

blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 25 May 2021 20:42 (four weeks ago) link

New Corin Song & Vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkPJtv32WtA

blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 26 May 2021 12:27 (four weeks ago) link

very nice

Michael F Gill, Wednesday, 26 May 2021 14:45 (four weeks ago) link

yeah, love that

swing out sister: live in new donk city (geoffreyess), Wednesday, 26 May 2021 15:17 (four weeks ago) link

Ooh this is good

kinder, Wednesday, 2 June 2021 22:45 (three weeks ago) link

Sounds kinda like ... Pavement?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 2 June 2021 22:47 (three weeks ago) link

^^I can say for a fact that whenever I listen to either new single on Spotify, the subsequent 'song radio' always plays Pavement and Wire and Hole.

blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 2 June 2021 22:50 (three weeks ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O11TZvnHtmg

another good one, it already seems like i'll enjoy this album a lot more than the last two

ufo, Wednesday, 9 June 2021 14:15 (two weeks ago) link

Somebody's playing one of those St. Vincent guitars!

Only two listens in on this one, but thinking this is the least of the tracks so far. OTOH, "Worry With You" needed a few spins past that to get fully hooked in me, and "High In The Grass" was Love at first listen, so the bar is high.

blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 9 June 2021 14:37 (two weeks ago) link

I think S-K are my #1 band for when I love them I LOVE them, but when I can't stand a track I really can't listen to it. This is one of the unlistenable ones for me. I still love them as a band but I don't think there's a single LP I love all the way through

kinder, Thursday, 10 June 2021 21:48 (one week ago) link

Album launch special on Amazon's Twitch is glitch af, channel just went offline for the second time. #ThanksBezos

blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 11 June 2021 01:10 (one week ago) link

Was listening to Dig Me Out for the first time in years and boy it was nice when Carrie's vocals weren't intolerably mannered

Only the last one is meh

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 11 June 2021 02:50 (one week ago) link

ooh, totally forgot I can go buy this tomorrow

swing out sister: live in new donk city (geoffreyess), Friday, 11 June 2021 03:47 (one week ago) link

album is nice, kinda exactly what i'd want out of them branching out their sound & mellowing out a little at this point in their career. so much better than the last two albums

ufo, Friday, 11 June 2021 08:25 (one week ago) link

Definitely liking this on first listen, very different mood than the last two albums. This is probably their loosest, grooviest record? Feels more influenced by blues/psychedelic rock than punk. As jammy and noisy as The Woods was, those songs were pretty taut and clenched.

Michael F Gill, Friday, 11 June 2021 14:15 (one week ago) link

the one thing from their classic sound i do miss on this one is the overlapping vocal lines they used to do so well. otherwise it just feels like they're aging gracefully

ufo, Saturday, 12 June 2021 03:21 (one week ago) link

after one drunken listen i feel like it's, you know, fine

also i hate it because it's nowhere near as good as 20+ years ago, and neither am i, and i don't want to begrudge their middle-aged art not living up to my middle-aged yet naive expectations of them, because they absolutely can do whatever they like, but also somehow i'd feel much better about it all if janet were involved

mookieproof, Saturday, 12 June 2021 04:07 (one week ago) link


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