Sleater-Kinney - The Center Won't Hold - August 16th

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Tracks:

The Center Won't Hold
Hurry On Home
Reach Out
Can I Go On
Restless
Ruins
LOVE
Bad Dance
The Future Is Here
The Dog/ The Body
Broken

Lyric Vid for "The Future Is Here"

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 14 June 2019 14:51 (five months ago) link

well St. Vincent definitely produced this!

need to let this sink in, just because it doesn't really feel like "Sleater-Kinney" to me

but at this point I guess why not do something different?

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 14 June 2019 14:54 (five months ago) link

I love "Hurry on Home" -- I've woken up with the hook in my head -- and it sounds great on my phone next to new Madonna and new Roisin Murphy.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 June 2019 14:57 (five months ago) link

Article doesn't formally introduce St. Vincent -- it just sez "They turned to synths and effects and Clark" -- so I kind of wonder if it's missing some text.

Shoegazi (Leee), Friday, 14 June 2019 22:37 (five months ago) link

This:

“Sympathy” was about her son, Marshall, who was born prematurely and had to fight for his life. He just graduated high school.

Good god, I'm old.

Shoegazi (Leee), Friday, 14 June 2019 23:09 (five months ago) link

Yeah, that was eye-opening to say the least.

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 14 June 2019 23:14 (five months ago) link

"Hurry on Home" sounded like a St. Vincent song to me but I'm digging "The Future Is Here" and Corin singing lower.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, 15 June 2019 00:58 (five months ago) link

"The Future is Here" doesn't sound like SK at all and it is awesome.

Shoegazi (Leee), Monday, 17 June 2019 17:43 (five months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xrSuIqrhRU

"Hurry On Home", from last night's Fallon.

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 20 June 2019 20:27 (five months ago) link

The visual aspect of that performance doesn't seem to sit well with them, Carrie's vox seem a little flat too.

Shoegazi (Leee), Monday, 24 June 2019 18:17 (five months ago) link

I'll never ever in my life be a Jimmy Fallon fan but I have to admit it's pretty fucking rad to see how jazzed he was about S-K.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Monday, 24 June 2019 18:21 (five months ago) link

then again maybe it's just that he and Carrie are comedy buds.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Monday, 24 June 2019 18:22 (five months ago) link

The visual aspect of that performance doesn't seem to sit well with them, Carrie's vox seem a little flat too.

― Shoegazi (Leee), Monday, 24 June 2019 19:17 (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah, i kinda agree with this; always loved sk's earnestness and the archness of this performance doesn't really fit

devvvine, Monday, 24 June 2019 18:28 (five months ago) link

They seem to be mimicking St. Vincent.

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Monday, 24 June 2019 18:50 (five months ago) link

three weeks pass...

The first two minutes sound like a forced HERE'S OUR NEW DIRECTION and the last minute sounds like an equally forced WAIT COME BACK WE'RE STILL SLEATER-KINNEY

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 14:50 (four months ago) link

The first two minutes sound like a forced HERE'S OUR NEW DIRECTION and the last minute sounds like an equally forced WAIT COME BACK WE'RE STILL SLEATER-KINNEY

― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, July 17, 2019 9:50 AM (twenty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

If you don't mind me inquiring? What exactly does "forced" sound like , I feel it's most likely you attributing your feelings to the new direction the band is taking. I for one see this as a good mixture of their new sound and old sound, but by no means forced , whatever that means

aguzman1990, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 15:19 (four months ago) link

I feel it's most likely you attributing your feelings to the new direction the band is taking.

It means that I am taking their new direction as a personal affront.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 15:21 (four months ago) link

That closing minute does feel awkwardly tacked on. Weirdly, this sounds even more like a Fridmann production than The Woods did?

Simon H., Wednesday, 17 July 2019 15:25 (four months ago) link

It means that I am taking their new direction as a personal affront.

I was more interested in what "forced" sounded like, since I see it being applied in many instances. Intuitively speaking all music is in some way or shape could be considered "forced", but I don't think it necessarily makes it bad.

aguzman1990, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 15:27 (four months ago) link

But seriously, I liked the two other new songs, but by "forced" I mean that they don't sound particularly engaged with what they're doing, and they're self-consciously playing at the surface elements of the new and old approaches (which do not, to me, come together in a "mixture," but are separate and distinct segments of the song).

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 15:28 (four months ago) link

this sure sounds like an opening track

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 16:02 (four months ago) link

their lyrics still kind of suck, why didn't they think about updating THAT approach

j., Wednesday, 17 July 2019 16:26 (four months ago) link

maybe "labored"is better? to me, truly great rock bands (which I consider SK) have a way of sounding like themselves, even if they have albums as different as Dig Me Out, The Hot Rock and The Woods

great bands also have a really distinctive way they play together musically as a unit, something I felt like SK did, and this new direction strips them of that without really adding anything interesting outside of a very staid idea of "interesting production" that doesn't feel very fresh or interesting to me

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 16:36 (four months ago) link

"Weirdly, this sounds even more like a Fridmann production than The Woods did"

that's one of the worst sounding albums I've ever heard. This at least sounds better than that.

akm, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 16:37 (four months ago) link

that was rough. i hate how affected some of the singing is on these tracks.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 17:12 (four months ago) link

what a horrible development for a band so well known for singing without affectation

maybe "labored"is better? to me, truly great rock bands (which I consider SK) have a way of sounding like themselves, even if they have albums as different as Dig Me Out, The Hot Rock and The Woods

great bands also have a really distinctive way they play together musically as a unit, something I felt like SK did, and this new direction strips them of that without really adding anything interesting outside of a very staid idea of "interesting production" that doesn't feel very fresh or interesting to me

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, July 17, 2019 12:36 PM (forty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

This is otm.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 17:32 (four months ago) link

Carrie sez:

What am I supposed to say? She left. We asked her to stay. We tried. It’s hard and sad. Most people would ask me, “hey are you ok?” That’s the human response. She’s left us with a job to do, a job we also expected and wanted her to be a part of. Her playing on this record is amazing and she’s raved about this album to us and to Annie. But we have to keep looking to the future. Things change, even when those changes are hard and unexpected. Four amazing women worked on this record and we are going to honor that work. So, what’s up? The usual….Women picking up the pieces when someone quits, because we have to and want to. We’re going to keep going because we believe in ourselves and it’s a privilege to get to play music for people. It’s a new chapter. And all artistic entities have many chapters, if they’re lucky. Either the music will resonate or it won’t.

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/carrie-brownstein-on-janet-weiss-what-am-i-supposed-to-say-she-left-we-asked-her-to-stay-we-tried/

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 17:51 (four months ago) link

The back half of "Center Won't Hold" sounds almost metal!

Coelacanth Green (Leee), Thursday, 18 July 2019 00:38 (four months ago) link

i dig this new track and have come around to liking "hurry on home," at least

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 18 July 2019 00:50 (four months ago) link

also this dry one liner shouldn't go unnoticed

I don't get wet because I am tall and thin and I am afraid of people (Eliza D.) at 12:18 17 Jul 19

what a horrible development for a band so well known for singing without affectation

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 18 July 2019 00:50 (four months ago) link

i mean like....their singing is much, much more affected now that it was on dig me out or the hot rock or all hands. it's not really a welcome development for me.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 18 July 2019 00:51 (four months ago) link

Can't wait for their back to basics album in '21

calstars, Thursday, 18 July 2019 01:15 (four months ago) link

Carrie sounds about as affected as ever in the first two minutes, she's always been a distant second to Corin in singing anyway IMO.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 18 July 2019 01:55 (four months ago) link

carrie used to just kind of talk-sing and now she's doing......something

call all destroyer, Thursday, 18 July 2019 02:13 (four months ago) link

can we all finally admit Quasi >

Hannah GAPDY (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 18 July 2019 03:53 (four months ago) link

If only Sam whatshisface didn't sing, perhaps.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 18 July 2019 04:00 (four months ago) link

irl lol Grisso

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 18 July 2019 14:34 (four months ago) link

If you're talking about Carrie's nasally singing, she started that at least as far back as One Beat ("Oxygen" comes to mind), and I probably the beginnings of it on "The Size of Our Love."

Coelacanth Green (Leee), Thursday, 18 July 2019 16:34 (four months ago) link

Finally listened to the single, it's fucking fantastic, I love that bizarre trad rock reprisal at the end. this shit sounds so cool, thank u st. vincent

flappy bird, Saturday, 20 July 2019 03:49 (four months ago) link

two weeks pass...

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☮ (peace, man), Monday, 5 August 2019 17:58 (four months ago) link

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sic does that every time he catches someone sharing a link from facebook. I'm giving him some good-natured shit about it.

☮ (peace, man), Monday, 5 August 2019 18:14 (four months ago) link

after two listens i'm with JF, it never lets you forget that it's been *produced*

call all destroyer, Monday, 19 August 2019 01:08 (three months ago) link

It's not even that. It would've sounded great to me in... 2007, where it lives.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 19 August 2019 01:29 (three months ago) link

as that era of indie rockers matures it makes sense to expect that a lot of them would start to lag the times, wouldn't it? like 70s rockers who release albums in the 80s that affected 5+years dated sounds maybe

j., Monday, 19 August 2019 01:37 (three months ago) link

Yep.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 19 August 2019 01:38 (three months ago) link

I love AHOTBO and One Beat - from Call the Doctor through One Beat I don't think there's a peak, they're all great and pretty different.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 19 August 2019 03:19 (three months ago) link

I've always said the closest point of comparison may be Fugazi. All the albums are very different, but it's not a linear evolution so much as an ... expansion?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 August 2019 03:32 (three months ago) link

finally listening to the new one for the first time and...it's really not that huge a departure? it's certainly still primarily guitar-driven!

Simon H., Monday, 19 August 2019 06:55 (three months ago) link

And generally speaking the synths tend to be doing guitar-like things.

Simon H., Monday, 19 August 2019 06:58 (three months ago) link

yes, otm

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 August 2019 11:03 (three months ago) link

agreed

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 19 August 2019 11:04 (three months ago) link

Here's a review that gets it wrong.

But on the new album, the guitars are constrained, ceding space to keyboards and electronic beats; often, they’re content to repeat neatly deployed hooks. Instead of tense, fluctuating human friction, there’s layered pop architecture.

Bullshit. Flesh and blood vs machines, inspiration vs craft. I thought Pareles was too wise for these binaries.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 15:25 (three months ago) link

breihan struggling with a record is a pretty sure sign i'll like it and think he's a wiener, reliable as the sunrise

― american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, August 15, 2019 1:24 PM (five days ago) bookmarkflaglink

i like the record, and i think it's funny that the one song Breihan singled out as "the one true miracle" (LOVE) is probably my least favorite song on first pass

jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 19:02 (three months ago) link

just jammed this on the subway and i love the entire second half, especially "bad dance" and "the dog/thebody" (one of the best s-k tracks ever imo)

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 19:12 (three months ago) link

"the dog/thebody" (one of the best s-k tracks ever imo)

man otm, it's like a hot rock-style verse with a chorus they borrowed from, like, ex hex

jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 19:16 (three months ago) link

that song stuck out to me too.

☮ (peace, man), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 22:20 (three months ago) link

the best

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 22:35 (three months ago) link

Yep that was the only one I immediately played again the first time thru.

Really enjoying this album overall. It might end up being my most-played new SK album since All Hands.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 02:10 (three months ago) link

My boy.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 03:07 (three months ago) link

https://www.gofundme.com/f/janet-weiss-healing-fund

maura, Tuesday, 27 August 2019 14:03 (three months ago) link

Man that's fucked up. But now I'll just pretend she couldn't do the SK tour because of injury .

I completely forgot that One Beat existed until now. TBH to me SK's great albums are Doctor and Dig, and Hot Rock to a lesser extent. Though 'you're no rock and roll fun' is still my favorite song of theirs.

akm, Tuesday, 27 August 2019 17:30 (three months ago) link

one beat is still their best imo

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 27 August 2019 17:33 (three months ago) link

disagree but it has their best song (sympathy)

devvvine, Tuesday, 27 August 2019 17:43 (three months ago) link

I found the opening track disappointing when I first heard it a few weeks ago, but I love it now. This is one of their greatest records, and I probably (slightly) prefer it to The Woods (though One Beat is still my fave).

"the dog/thebody" (one of the best s-k tracks ever imo)

otm.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 17:02 (three months ago) link

And their first post-Janet show is tomorrow night. Any word on who's drumming with them?

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 17:02 (three months ago) link

I was thinking of going but the venue has already been changed because of Dorian and at this point I don’t foresee my ass being willing to drive in the deluge to get there

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 17:23 (three months ago) link

I was thinking of going but the venue has already been changed because of Dorian and at this point I don’t foresee my ass being willing to drive in the deluge to get there

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 17:24 (three months ago) link

St. Vincent made Dorian

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 17:26 (three months ago) link

"Dorian" does sound like the name of a person she'd sing about.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 17:55 (three months ago) link

I like this record a lot, but are there really only 3 tracks with lead vocals by Corin? Kind of feels like it’s a bit of a waste to keep her/her voice on the sidelines on so much of the record. I know Sleater Kinney as The Carrie Brownstein new wave band is much more marketable at the moment, but I miss their interplay.

Michael F Gill, Thursday, 5 September 2019 19:24 (three months ago) link

(I think it's 4 tracks w/Corin on lead actually)

Michael F Gill, Thursday, 5 September 2019 23:56 (three months ago) link

So this show happened, right? Who is the new drummer?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 6 September 2019 03:11 (three months ago) link

angie boylan of freezing cold

lowercase (eric), Friday, 6 September 2019 03:18 (three months ago) link

Oh wow I didn't know Janet left the band!

Piano Mouth, Saturday, 7 September 2019 14:07 (two months ago) link

Um...

The Fearless Thread Killers (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 7 September 2019 14:23 (two months ago) link

Janet's...been through some stuff recently.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 7 September 2019 15:02 (two months ago) link

Took a while but I've finally realized that "Ruins" is wholly rad. Also, got teary-eyed during the chorus of "Can I Go On" today.

geoffreyess, Friday, 20 September 2019 04:46 (two months ago) link

three weeks pass...

Awesome show last night. They played "Step Aside"!

geoffreyess, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 16:31 (one month ago) link

three weeks pass...

Scorching in Austin tonight. Carrie is in full Rock Star Mode. It was Corin's birthday. Angie Boylan is a sure-footed & fast drummer. A bunch of the older numbers were practically thrash--even "Good Things" was sprightly! Checking out setlist.fm, I see they doing fairly locked-down setlists aside from the encores. And I do believe they played everything from The Center Won't Hold, plus the new vinyl & digital single "Animal". 29 songs total.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 10 November 2019 07:50 (three weeks ago) link

three weeks pass...

Great interview with Janet about the break up and her career

https://www.thetrapset.net/230-janet-weiss-quasi-sleater-kinney-wild-flag-elliott-smith-etc/

Joe Gargan (dandydonweiner), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 02:12 (three days ago) link

That was quite moving. Janet seems like an awesome person.

Simon H., Wednesday, 4 December 2019 18:56 (two days ago) link

Yeah, the whole thing--her career in all her bands, the breakup of SK, the way she approaches her work. All so endearing.

And stunning how Carrie and Corin changed Janet's role.

Joe Gargan (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 19:05 (two days ago) link

The conversation that resulted in the blunt "yes you're just the drummer; not creative equal here" must have been a heated argument. I just can't imagine it being so harshly put via honesty alone. I can only imagine the context being used as a convenient way to end a frustrating argument quickly.

Evan, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 19:51 (two days ago) link

this podcast didn't make me want to see SK ever again

Joe Gargan (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 20:03 (two days ago) link

Janet said "they made this album sort of without me," while Carrie said, "she’s raved about this album to us and to Annie." Curious what accounts for the wild divergence.

Carrie also said, "We asked her to stay"...so..."You're just the drummer, but please stay with us in your diminished role!"

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 20:10 (two days ago) link

I remember the only time I saw them, in 2003 or so, one of the openers was Smoosh, a keyboard and drums duo of adolescent sisters. When SK went on they told some story about backstage chatter with Smoosh in which the drummer expressed outrage that drummers tend to not get songwriting credits, pointing out that her sister didn’t write her drum parts.

JoeStork, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 20:23 (two days ago) link

I love Smoosh!

Scorsese runs afoul of the Irishman (Leee), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 21:45 (two days ago) link

Oh I remember them, apparently they are 'Chaos Chaos' now?

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 21:52 (two days ago) link

Yeah, I really need to check them out as CC -- She Like Electric is one of my favorite albums of the '00s.

Scorsese runs afoul of the Irishman (Leee), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 22:09 (two days ago) link


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