Sleater-Kinney - The Center Won't Hold - August 16th

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Tracks:

The Center Won't Hold
Hurry On Home
Reach Out
Can I Go On
Restless
Ruins
LOVE
Bad Dance
The Future Is Here
The Dog/ The Body
Broken

Lyric Vid for "The Future Is Here"

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 14 June 2019 14:51 (two months ago) link

well St. Vincent definitely produced this!

need to let this sink in, just because it doesn't really feel like "Sleater-Kinney" to me

but at this point I guess why not do something different?

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 14 June 2019 14:54 (two months ago) link

I love "Hurry on Home" -- I've woken up with the hook in my head -- and it sounds great on my phone next to new Madonna and new Roisin Murphy.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 June 2019 14:57 (two months ago) link

Article doesn't formally introduce St. Vincent -- it just sez "They turned to synths and effects and Clark" -- so I kind of wonder if it's missing some text.

Shoegazi (Leee), Friday, 14 June 2019 22:37 (two months ago) link

This:

“Sympathy” was about her son, Marshall, who was born prematurely and had to fight for his life. He just graduated high school.

Good god, I'm old.

Shoegazi (Leee), Friday, 14 June 2019 23:09 (two months ago) link

Yeah, that was eye-opening to say the least.

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 14 June 2019 23:14 (two months ago) link

"Hurry on Home" sounded like a St. Vincent song to me but I'm digging "The Future Is Here" and Corin singing lower.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, 15 June 2019 00:58 (two months ago) link

"The Future is Here" doesn't sound like SK at all and it is awesome.

Shoegazi (Leee), Monday, 17 June 2019 17:43 (two months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xrSuIqrhRU

"Hurry On Home", from last night's Fallon.

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 20 June 2019 20:27 (one month ago) link

The visual aspect of that performance doesn't seem to sit well with them, Carrie's vox seem a little flat too.

Shoegazi (Leee), Monday, 24 June 2019 18:17 (one month ago) link

I'll never ever in my life be a Jimmy Fallon fan but I have to admit it's pretty fucking rad to see how jazzed he was about S-K.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Monday, 24 June 2019 18:21 (one month ago) link

then again maybe it's just that he and Carrie are comedy buds.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Monday, 24 June 2019 18:22 (one month ago) link

The visual aspect of that performance doesn't seem to sit well with them, Carrie's vox seem a little flat too.

― Shoegazi (Leee), Monday, 24 June 2019 19:17 (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah, i kinda agree with this; always loved sk's earnestness and the archness of this performance doesn't really fit

devvvine, Monday, 24 June 2019 18:28 (one month ago) link

They seem to be mimicking St. Vincent.

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Monday, 24 June 2019 18:50 (one month ago) link

three weeks pass...

The first two minutes sound like a forced HERE'S OUR NEW DIRECTION and the last minute sounds like an equally forced WAIT COME BACK WE'RE STILL SLEATER-KINNEY

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 14:50 (one month ago) link

The first two minutes sound like a forced HERE'S OUR NEW DIRECTION and the last minute sounds like an equally forced WAIT COME BACK WE'RE STILL SLEATER-KINNEY

― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, July 17, 2019 9:50 AM (twenty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

If you don't mind me inquiring? What exactly does "forced" sound like , I feel it's most likely you attributing your feelings to the new direction the band is taking. I for one see this as a good mixture of their new sound and old sound, but by no means forced , whatever that means

aguzman1990, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 15:19 (one month ago) link

I feel it's most likely you attributing your feelings to the new direction the band is taking.

It means that I am taking their new direction as a personal affront.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 15:21 (one month ago) link

That closing minute does feel awkwardly tacked on. Weirdly, this sounds even more like a Fridmann production than The Woods did?

Simon H., Wednesday, 17 July 2019 15:25 (one month ago) link

It means that I am taking their new direction as a personal affront.

I was more interested in what "forced" sounded like, since I see it being applied in many instances. Intuitively speaking all music is in some way or shape could be considered "forced", but I don't think it necessarily makes it bad.

aguzman1990, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 15:27 (one month ago) link

But seriously, I liked the two other new songs, but by "forced" I mean that they don't sound particularly engaged with what they're doing, and they're self-consciously playing at the surface elements of the new and old approaches (which do not, to me, come together in a "mixture," but are separate and distinct segments of the song).

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 15:28 (one month ago) link

this sure sounds like an opening track

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 16:02 (one month ago) link

their lyrics still kind of suck, why didn't they think about updating THAT approach

j., Wednesday, 17 July 2019 16:26 (one month ago) link

maybe "labored"is better? to me, truly great rock bands (which I consider SK) have a way of sounding like themselves, even if they have albums as different as Dig Me Out, The Hot Rock and The Woods

great bands also have a really distinctive way they play together musically as a unit, something I felt like SK did, and this new direction strips them of that without really adding anything interesting outside of a very staid idea of "interesting production" that doesn't feel very fresh or interesting to me

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 16:36 (one month ago) link

"Weirdly, this sounds even more like a Fridmann production than The Woods did"

that's one of the worst sounding albums I've ever heard. This at least sounds better than that.

akm, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 16:37 (one month ago) link

that was rough. i hate how affected some of the singing is on these tracks.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 17:12 (one month ago) link

what a horrible development for a band so well known for singing without affectation

maybe "labored"is better? to me, truly great rock bands (which I consider SK) have a way of sounding like themselves, even if they have albums as different as Dig Me Out, The Hot Rock and The Woods

great bands also have a really distinctive way they play together musically as a unit, something I felt like SK did, and this new direction strips them of that without really adding anything interesting outside of a very staid idea of "interesting production" that doesn't feel very fresh or interesting to me

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, July 17, 2019 12:36 PM (forty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

This is otm.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 17:32 (one month ago) link

Carrie sez:

What am I supposed to say? She left. We asked her to stay. We tried. It’s hard and sad. Most people would ask me, “hey are you ok?” That’s the human response. She’s left us with a job to do, a job we also expected and wanted her to be a part of. Her playing on this record is amazing and she’s raved about this album to us and to Annie. But we have to keep looking to the future. Things change, even when those changes are hard and unexpected. Four amazing women worked on this record and we are going to honor that work. So, what’s up? The usual….Women picking up the pieces when someone quits, because we have to and want to. We’re going to keep going because we believe in ourselves and it’s a privilege to get to play music for people. It’s a new chapter. And all artistic entities have many chapters, if they’re lucky. Either the music will resonate or it won’t.

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/carrie-brownstein-on-janet-weiss-what-am-i-supposed-to-say-she-left-we-asked-her-to-stay-we-tried/

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 17:51 (one month ago) link

The back half of "Center Won't Hold" sounds almost metal!

Coelacanth Green (Leee), Thursday, 18 July 2019 00:38 (four weeks ago) link

i dig this new track and have come around to liking "hurry on home," at least

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 18 July 2019 00:50 (four weeks ago) link

also this dry one liner shouldn't go unnoticed

I don't get wet because I am tall and thin and I am afraid of people (Eliza D.) at 12:18 17 Jul 19

what a horrible development for a band so well known for singing without affectation

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 18 July 2019 00:50 (four weeks ago) link

i mean like....their singing is much, much more affected now that it was on dig me out or the hot rock or all hands. it's not really a welcome development for me.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 18 July 2019 00:51 (four weeks ago) link

Can't wait for their back to basics album in '21

calstars, Thursday, 18 July 2019 01:15 (four weeks ago) link

Carrie sounds about as affected as ever in the first two minutes, she's always been a distant second to Corin in singing anyway IMO.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 18 July 2019 01:55 (four weeks ago) link

carrie used to just kind of talk-sing and now she's doing......something

call all destroyer, Thursday, 18 July 2019 02:13 (four weeks ago) link

can we all finally admit Quasi >

Hannah GAPDY (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 18 July 2019 03:53 (four weeks ago) link

If only Sam whatshisface didn't sing, perhaps.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 18 July 2019 04:00 (four weeks ago) link

irl lol Grisso

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 18 July 2019 14:34 (four weeks ago) link

If you're talking about Carrie's nasally singing, she started that at least as far back as One Beat ("Oxygen" comes to mind), and I probably the beginnings of it on "The Size of Our Love."

Coelacanth Green (Leee), Thursday, 18 July 2019 16:34 (four weeks ago) link

Finally listened to the single, it's fucking fantastic, I love that bizarre trad rock reprisal at the end. this shit sounds so cool, thank u st. vincent

flappy bird, Saturday, 20 July 2019 03:49 (four weeks ago) link

two weeks pass...

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Evan, Monday, 5 August 2019 18:04 (one week ago) link

sic does that every time he catches someone sharing a link from facebook. I'm giving him some good-natured shit about it.

☮ (peace, man), Monday, 5 August 2019 18:14 (one week ago) link

I know, I read it!

First quote - One of the songs is "affectionate." It has a "bright throwback vibe" and "there's also a turn toward anthemic fury." This is what I was talking about - that could be describing a million different things.

Second quote - Some general comments on lyrics. The music is "corrosive."

Third quote - More adjectives on that same point - "disgusting, dirty, gross, dusty." "Choruses and bridges were revised; major keys were introduced" - This tells me very, very little.

Fourth quote - Music that is not a screaming match, buoys people, "a chorus they could sing together." Could also be describing a million different things.

timellison, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 06:43 (one week ago) link

the writer forgot to write about the music!

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 06:48 (one week ago) link

Yes, that is what I said and that is what I am still saying.

timellison, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 06:52 (one week ago) link

I only read it once because of the pay wall, but didn't it say Clark pressured the band to deviate from minor keys to major keys? Or something like that?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 14:05 (one week ago) link

xpost oh, there it is, sorry

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 14:05 (one week ago) link

It's an interview rather than a review, though, so... what's the problem? Most record reviews I read don't actually describe what the music sounds like anymore than a few adjectives. In fact to even mention major keys is practically musicology!

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 9 August 2019 12:50 (one week ago) link

It would be funny if people wrote profiles the way many write record reviews, by constantly comparing the personalities of the band members to other people.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 August 2019 13:14 (one week ago) link

I dunno, people tend to disagree with me on this. My perspective is that the reason why there's a feature being written is because they are musicians, so I wonder why the art itself - the reason why we're talking about these people - tends to be such a minor thing of interest.

timellison, Friday, 9 August 2019 17:23 (one week ago) link

is there a piece you would cite that "talks about the music" to a satisfactory extent for you?

call all destroyer, Friday, 9 August 2019 17:27 (one week ago) link

Why does "talks about the music" need to be in quotes? We know what talking about the music means.

timellison, Friday, 9 August 2019 17:32 (one week ago) link

do we tim

do we

j., Friday, 9 August 2019 17:34 (one week ago) link

Yes, it's when we identify the time and key signatures and discussion the means of modulation, etc. j/k

timellison, Friday, 9 August 2019 17:35 (one week ago) link

There's a Song Exploder episode now if people want to nitpick St Vincent's producing decisions some more

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 9 August 2019 17:38 (one week ago) link

most times I feel lucky if there's even a description of the instrumentation/arrangements used

Οὖτις, Friday, 9 August 2019 17:39 (one week ago) link

Yikes

pic.twitter.com/bRgHulyArq

— Janet Weiss (@jazzzhand) August 14, 2019

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 13:17 (three days ago) link

and I was about to post: the album is pretty good, different sonically obv.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 13:25 (three days ago) link

damn can’t believe st vincent tried to assassinate janet weiss

(Appears only as a corpse) (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 13:31 (three days ago) link

Weiss knew they were going in a new direction, she should have been more careful.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 13:54 (three days ago) link

who had access to the navigation system and when did they have it?!?!?

j., Wednesday, 14 August 2019 13:55 (three days ago) link

oh man poor janet :(
that sucks

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 14:51 (three days ago) link

Thank God she's OK and will be able to drum!

Damn

flappy bird, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 16:28 (three days ago) link

damn can’t believe st vincent tried to assassinate janet weiss

― (Appears only as a corpse) (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, August 14, 2019 9:31 AM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

irl lol, thanks for that.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 18:23 (three days ago) link

The new album is great imo, first listen through and enjoyed it mucho.

Piano Mouth, Thursday, 15 August 2019 01:27 (two days ago) link

She went to a Depeche Mode show and got absorbed by synths; Clark and Brownstein saw Nine Inch Nails, and heard industrial.

Hoping it doesn't sound like this

curmudgeon, Thursday, 15 August 2019 04:38 (two days ago) link

The first song begins with a drone that reminded me of Some Great Reward.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 August 2019 11:00 (two days ago) link

breihan struggling with a record is a pretty sure sign i'll like it and think he's a wiener, reliable as the sunrise

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 15 August 2019 18:24 (two days ago) link

I have many thoughts which I hope to see published tomorrow.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 August 2019 18:26 (two days ago) link

by sunrise???

j., Thursday, 15 August 2019 18:41 (two days ago) link

good morning!

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 August 2019 18:46 (two days ago) link

where's those tax returns st vincent??!?!1!!!

j., Thursday, 15 August 2019 18:49 (two days ago) link

reach out is totally what i want from s-k doing depeche, great song

devvvine, Thursday, 15 August 2019 20:35 (two days ago) link

and restless! always like when they wear their go betweens influence proudly

devvvine, Thursday, 15 August 2019 20:42 (two days ago) link

This album is great

akm, Friday, 16 August 2019 05:50 (yesterday) link

"reach out" is so sick

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 16 August 2019 15:57 (yesterday) link

i pretty immediately like this way more than no cities. love what they did here

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 16 August 2019 16:08 (yesterday) link

A bit too much of this reminds me of the harsh, plodding sound of The Woods (my least favourite S-K record) but "Reach Out," "LOVE" and "The Dog/The Body" are immediate standouts. I can really hear St. Vincent on the latter.

Herman Woke (cryptosicko), Friday, 16 August 2019 16:17 (yesterday) link

gonna go buy this now :)

geoffreyess, Friday, 16 August 2019 17:24 (yesterday) link

This is really good at first pass

omar little, Friday, 16 August 2019 17:33 (yesterday) link

I like it, it's obviously not the greatest-ever SK album, but it's a good SK album in 2019, which I'm glad to have. What Annie Clark does for them, productionwise, reminds me most immediately of what Flood did for PJ Harvey -- provides a new sonic landscape for songs and ideas that still basically sound like Sleater-Kinney songs and ideas, but also the landscape itself helps shape the songs in ways that they wouldn't have found without it.

Having a *Name That Tune* fail on the beginning on the chorus in "Can I Go On." Wish I could put my finger on the song that reminds me of.

timellison, Friday, 16 August 2019 18:06 (yesterday) link

It's a better album than NCTL, which, for obvious reasons, played it safe.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 16 August 2019 18:40 (yesterday) link

It was probably a good idea to have a producer inject some creative decisions this time. A friend of mine did NCTL and he’s a great engineer and a great guy but he’d never dream of doing that with this band (and I’m sure they didn’t ask), which I’m sure is why that album sounds safe.

akm, Friday, 16 August 2019 19:21 (yesterday) link

Having a *Name That Tune* fail on the beginning on the chorus in "Can I Go On." Wish I could put my finger on the song that reminds me of.

― timellison, Friday, August 16, 2019 2:06 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Hmm I don't know and this is unrelated but my first impression of that song is that overall the tempo is just a little too slow?

Evan, Friday, 16 August 2019 19:43 (yesterday) link

Bad Dance intro sounds like Passtime Paradise.

☮ (peace, man), Friday, 16 August 2019 20:14 (yesterday) link

Carrie sounds like she's singing "Bat Dance" on "Bad Dance."

First impression is that it's... fine. Don't really care about any of the songs until "RUINS," then there are a couple of good ones. It's not bad just mostly who cares - way more than the supposed St. Vincent influence (I only hear that on "Can I Go On") it sounds like an album where the two songwriters weren't in the same room while they wrote. Corin sounds fantastic on the songs where she takes the lead like "The Future Is Here."

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, 17 August 2019 02:19 (eleven hours ago) link

haven't heard the album yet, heard "LOVE" on the radio today, before the singing came in I got a Sprockets flashback

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 17 August 2019 02:21 (eleven hours ago) link

Sprockets then into B-52s, it's awesome

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, 17 August 2019 02:27 (eleven hours ago) link

way more than the supposed St. Vincent influence (I only hear that on "Can I Go On") it sounds like an album where the two songwriters weren't in the same room while they wrote.

― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Friday, August 16, 2019 10:19 PM (thirty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

according to interviews this is in fact the cse

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Saturday, 17 August 2019 02:55 (ten hours ago) link


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