taylor swift iridescent smoke bombs thread 2019 - lover

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american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 13 June 2019 20:54 (eight months ago) link

poor Charli announced her album just a couple hours before

"me!" sucks, is that on there?

Simon H., Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:00 (eight months ago) link

yep it's track 16

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:02 (eight months ago) link

of 18

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:02 (eight months ago) link

I love that Kehalni album cover!

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:02 (eight months ago) link

Brad you've really got the scoop, I don't see this anywhere else online...

Theodor Adorno, perhaps the greatest philosopher alive today (morrisp), Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:04 (eight months ago) link

she announced it on instagram

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:05 (eight months ago) link

18 Tracks: Exile On Tay-Tay St.

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:05 (eight months ago) link

interesting title for the next single

"You Need to Calm down"
Released: June 14, 2019

johnny crunch, Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:06 (eight months ago) link

she's right i do

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:06 (eight months ago) link

its good advice

johnny crunch, Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:07 (eight months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GulWnJx3uu0

maura, Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:09 (eight months ago) link

always happy for an excuse to post that clip

maura, Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:09 (eight months ago) link

Not a fan of the title...

Theodor Adorno, perhaps the greatest philosopher alive today (morrisp), Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:12 (eight months ago) link

The cd box sees a return to some kind of 'longbox' format. We never had those in England; i liked them!

piscesx, Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:25 (eight months ago) link

august 23

☮ (peace, man), Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:27 (eight months ago) link

this new song is shocking... and the video! oh my god. reminds me of The Feeling or something. very 2005. both of their vocals can give so much more, especially urie, but this is disappointing. hopefully the lp will have a few better cuts. 'wildest dreams' still knocks

meaulnes, Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:30 (eight months ago) link

Looks like there will be 4(!) different Target Deluxe Editions; but as with Reputation, no extra songs on any of them: https://www.target.com/c/taylor-swift/-/N-54u4c?AFID=Lover

Theodor Adorno, perhaps the greatest philosopher alive today (morrisp), Thursday, 13 June 2019 22:18 (eight months ago) link

(I guess with 18 tracks, that's not surprising)

Theodor Adorno, perhaps the greatest philosopher alive today (morrisp), Thursday, 13 June 2019 22:19 (eight months ago) link

The signalling via the album title and cover obv is pretty heavy-handed but I'm kinda hopeful that the album follows through on it - with a couple of exceptions taylor typically has been on shakiest ground when simultaneously leaning towards pop and away from relationship melodrama.

Tim F, Thursday, 13 June 2019 22:45 (eight months ago) link

hoping, probably folornly, that single #2 is slightly less jojo siwa

monotony, Friday, 14 June 2019 00:18 (eight months ago) link

i was scared that she was going to call the album la vie en rose though so at least she didn't do that

monotony, Friday, 14 June 2019 00:19 (eight months ago) link

"you need to calm down" is a lot better than "me!" but it's not particularly good either, just inoffensive

ufo, Friday, 14 June 2019 04:08 (eight months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWtfOHBF1_w

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 14 June 2019 09:55 (eight months ago) link

i'm not ready to defend this position but: i like this one

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 14 June 2019 09:55 (eight months ago) link

I like the beat/synth and the verses but the chorus is cringey imo.
It's borderline Mika territory !

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 14 June 2019 10:01 (eight months ago) link

it's more 'pleasant but fairly forgettable album track' than 'second single'

ufo, Friday, 14 June 2019 10:19 (eight months ago) link

amazing thread title

hot dog go to bathroom (cajunsunday), Friday, 14 June 2019 10:57 (eight months ago) link

why does every new single sound like "send my love to your new lover," was it THAT big of a hit?

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 14 June 2019 12:28 (eight months ago) link

those stacked-up notes beginning the chorus are admittedly a very good hook though

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 14 June 2019 12:31 (eight months ago) link

I mean it's OK, but does anyone else feel like there's elements of this song that are...y'know...pandering?

It sorta feels like when a huge corporation puts their logo in rainbow colours. Like, great cause, but the fact that you're only doing it now because you're confident enough that it won't tank your stock price does cheapen it somewhat.

triggercut, Friday, 14 June 2019 13:42 (eight months ago) link

you can want who you want
boys and boys and girls and girls

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 14 June 2019 14:11 (eight months ago) link

those stacked-up notes beginning the chorus are admittedly a very good hook though

― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, June 14, 2019 5:31 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is the part i like so much

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 14 June 2019 14:15 (eight months ago) link

p4k's Michelle Kim disagrees:

Swift dedicates the second half of the song to prove her allyship to the gay community, which again, deserves some props. But her way of showing alliance is confounding: “Why be mad, when you can be GLAAD,” she sings, upping the LGBTQ-centering media organization, but also parroting a literal Tupperware slogan. And when she says “shade never made anyone less gay,” she adopts slang with queer black origins in an attempt to create a mic-drop moment, but ends up sounding like another corporation proving they’re “down for the cause” during Pride Month. All of this, coupled with a hook that’s mostly vowels, makes for a song that’s somehow bewildering and underwhelming at the same time.

flappy bird, Friday, 14 June 2019 16:37 (eight months ago) link

I like this new song (it's so much better than "Me!"). The bridge is kind of a missed opportunity, but you can't have everything.

Theodor Adorno, perhaps the greatest philosopher alive today (morrisp), Friday, 14 June 2019 17:08 (eight months ago) link

Maybe the third single will be good.

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Friday, 14 June 2019 21:19 (eight months ago) link

pretty good but the lyrics are brutal

flopson, Friday, 14 June 2019 22:09 (eight months ago) link

This song is terrible

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Saturday, 15 June 2019 02:41 (eight months ago) link

This is going to date horribly.

Fried Egg Sandwich, Saturday, 15 June 2019 08:36 (eight months ago) link

She's been pretty vocal about gay rights ... for the past couple of months. Especially for someone who has avoided politics, afaict. It scans kind of gross to me, like her newfound armchair activism is just part of the marketing roll out for the new album.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 15 June 2019 13:06 (eight months ago) link

she has been speaking directly to her gay fans since at least 2014

american bradass (BradNelson), Saturday, 15 June 2019 13:08 (eight months ago) link

She is absolutely not bandwagoning

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 15 June 2019 13:13 (eight months ago) link

On Vox the writer stated that Taylor is drawing a false equivalency between "being criticized for being a celebrity" and anti-gay protesters at Pride Parades

I think this equivalency makes an ugly second verse, but it's not, like, a bad comparison. I think it's a misguided equivalency but not a false equivalency. Connecting the motivation behind shit-posters on Twitter and God Hates Fags sign-wavers is... clunky but not wrong, as far as I'm concerned

I think the first verse is pretty effective, this isn't a single I like personally, but it's a single I've liked more than most of her recent singles incl. a couple of 1989 efforts

It is strange to see voices of poptimistic criticism become frustrated with a pop song once the writer becomes self-aware and conspicuously manipulative. The word "pandering" has been thrown around but what mainstream pop music in the past 10 years has not been pandering? It's almost like "we want the pandering to seem accidental instead of intentional" or something

flamboyant goon tie included, Saturday, 15 June 2019 13:31 (eight months ago) link

I do wish participation in queer culture by otherwise straight and/or mostly-straight pop artists was more all in, rather than kind of superficially political. Appropriation of queer and qpoc language and tropes can be both egregious AND fabulous (see Madonna's "Vogue")

flamboyant goon tie included, Saturday, 15 June 2019 13:35 (eight months ago) link

Except for the "parade" line, I wouldn't have known this alludes to Pride if I hadn't watched the video.

I like Motormouth Swift, so this sounds better than Repuation's first single, and if it gets on the radio I'll like it next to "Bad Guy" and "Old Town Road."

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 15 June 2019 13:36 (eight months ago) link

I don't feel pandered to as a queer man because, after all, a Pride parade is superficial performativity anyway.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 15 June 2019 13:39 (eight months ago) link

As someone who is neither gay nor a fan, the first I noticed her being more politically vocal was recently, during the 2018 Tennessee election. She's since said or posted one or two other things, which is why it felt like part of her marketing ramp-up (esp. coming after relative social media silence). It's good to hear she's apparently been more vocal for a while, though it's not for me to say if she's been loud enough.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 15 June 2019 13:42 (eight months ago) link

I'm neither gay nor a Swift fan in particular but I can think of some fairly obvious reasons that equating/comparing tweets against an extremely famous pop star with anti-LGBT sentiment could be seen as off-putting

Simon H., Saturday, 15 June 2019 13:52 (eight months ago) link

i'm gay and i like her work and i can't say i give a shit

american bradass (BradNelson), Saturday, 15 June 2019 13:53 (eight months ago) link

There were a lot of “issues” songs in the 80s that were no doubt otm but sound pretty lame now

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Saturday, 15 June 2019 13:55 (eight months ago) link

i agree that "dress" is like one of the best songs ever and "shake it off" is probably the worse one that taylor made. still, there's at least 4/5 songs on 'reputation' that i really dislike: ready for it, i did something bad, look what you made me do, this is why we can't have nice things...

Nourry, Saturday, 21 December 2019 18:09 (one month ago) link

"this is why we can't have nice things" really pushes it, but i also love the melody

american bradass (BradNelson), Saturday, 21 December 2019 18:13 (one month ago) link

because you break them
i had to take them
awayayayayay

american bradass (BradNelson), Saturday, 21 December 2019 18:14 (one month ago) link

"i did something bad" is very obviously awesome to me though ("and i'd do it overandoverandoveragain if iiiiiii could") so we may not be able to meet in the middle on this

american bradass (BradNelson), Saturday, 21 December 2019 18:18 (one month ago) link

maybe one day. because i get the theatricality of it. it will be my 2020 goal, to give it one more chance.

Nourry, Saturday, 21 December 2019 18:28 (one month ago) link

I REALLY love « I Did Something Bad »

L'assie (Euler), Saturday, 21 December 2019 20:38 (one month ago) link

"shake it off" is probably the worse one that taylor made

o_O

I can’t even with some of these opinions!

Nobody uses the phone anymore (morrisp), Saturday, 21 December 2019 20:51 (one month ago) link

my ranking of the last 3 albums is def: reputation > lover > 1989

reputation has some duds but is pretty easily the best listen front to back to me... also i find the perspective she writes from on that album -- conniving, reckless, lonely, conducting all her relationships in secret -- far more believable than the starry eyed lovebird of lover. my one knock on reputation as i've said before is that the production is sort of stuck in the mud.

lover adds some badly needed new textures to this super pop era of hers, but also a fair amount of duds that make it hard to listen to front to back. if she had made the album entirely w/ antonoff i'm confident it would've been the best of the three. someone should delete joel little's number from her phone.

1989 has some of her best songs but is kinda cold and very corny. i'll dance to "shake it off" at a wedding but 1989's singles are mostly dreadful. this album really ends with a whimper for me too... style -> out of the woods -> all you had to do -> [skip] -> i wish you would is a great run tho.

J0rdan S., Sunday, 22 December 2019 03:41 (one month ago) link

Really? I'll take "Blank Space" and "Style" as singles over, to look at the list, "Lover," "...Ready for It?," and "Me!"

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 22 December 2019 03:45 (one month ago) link

the sequencing on all three albums is pretty bad imo so my preference is more about which ones have the most to work with to turn into a great front-to-back listen, but 1989 has the least duds of the three as well

quickly ranking her 1989 and onwards singles:
style
out of the woods
blank space

delicate
wildest dreams
new romantics
look what you made me do
lover
shake it off

ready for it
you need to calm down
bad blood
end game
me!

ufo, Sunday, 22 December 2019 04:10 (one month ago) link

Really? I'll take "Blank Space" and "Style" as singles over, to look at the list, "Lover," "...Ready for It?," and "Me!"

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, December 21, 2019 10:45 PM (yesterday)bookmarkflaglink

i do love style... blank space is pretty good too. bad blood and shake it off.... woof. maybe it's not the quality of those singles i resent as much as the ubiquity... look what you made me do etc are about as bad or worse but didn't hit like those others.

J0rdan S., Sunday, 22 December 2019 16:56 (one month ago) link

Lover > Reputation = 1989 for me at this point

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Sunday, 22 December 2019 18:34 (one month ago) link

"look what you made me do" isn't by any means good but it's ended up endearing to me as a very confused campy "what the hell was she thinking" single which is how i can now prefer it to "shake it off" which is just mediocre and too ubiquitous for its own good

ufo, Monday, 23 December 2019 02:22 (one month ago) link

I love "I wish you Would", I love "Style" but really I'd pick "Cornelia St", "Lover" or "Death by a thousand cuts" before them any day of the week. The peaks in "Lover" are her highest probably since Red.

And while I really like "Soon you'll get better", to me "Ronan" is still her definitive cancer song.

I think "Bad Blood" is probably her worst song really. With "Shake it off", I still skip it, but I understand her shooting for a wedding party song, kinda like Bowie with Let's Dance. And it was quite successful at that, so I've got to give it to her.

cpl593H, Tuesday, 24 December 2019 13:02 (one month ago) link

three weeks pass...

Listening to the 2019 Tiny Desk concert linked earlier for the first time and digging this, just the bones of the songs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvVnP8G6ITs&list=PL1B627337ED6F55F0&index=24&t=0s

... (Eazy), Sunday, 19 January 2020 17:10 (one month ago) link

HE LOOKS UP GRINNING LIKE A DEVIL

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 24 January 2020 19:05 (three weeks ago) link

i! want! you! bless my soul
and i ain't gotta tell him i think he knows

the microhooks on this album make me delirious

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 24 January 2020 19:22 (three weeks ago) link

Same

juntos pedemos (Euler), Friday, 24 January 2020 19:58 (three weeks ago) link

good for her. fuck the grammys

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 24 January 2020 20:08 (three weeks ago) link

“ HE LOOKS UP GRINNING LIKE A DEVIL”

I thought it was “that man’s got a body like the devil”

Anyway I like my TS songs horny is what I’m saying

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 25 January 2020 04:46 (three weeks ago) link

My gf and I were convinced it was "He looks so pretty like a devil" until we read the lyrics.

triggercut, Saturday, 25 January 2020 07:00 (three weeks ago) link

Starbucks Lovers 2019

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 25 January 2020 12:29 (three weeks ago) link

stans of newly woke taylor swift brigading over a critical review of her documentary by calling the author anti-semitic for referring to the guy who calls himself “the fat jew” as “the fat jew,” and exhuming an article by — wait for it — ed ch*mpion; you absolutely hate to see it

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 21:12 (three weeks ago) link

The review in question entirely reasonable and not even remotely antagonistic towards Taylor. Her stans are as bad as they come.

triggercut, Thursday, 30 January 2020 04:00 (three weeks ago) link

all this time "mean" was really a guide to role models

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Thursday, 30 January 2020 06:07 (three weeks ago) link

(and it's not like this is some obscure figure only known to those who got a copy of the shitty media men list [which he's on] -- the entire first page of google results has the story, if these kids thought to actually google)

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Thursday, 30 January 2020 06:08 (three weeks ago) link

Anyone else watch the documentary yet? I mayyyy have teared up when she launched into “Clean” after her brief spiel about sexual assault

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Saturday, 1 February 2020 04:08 (two weeks ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJU-S1t2r1M

new single from the documentary is better than most of the other joel little productions but nothing special and features ill-fitting children's choir backing vocals

ufo, Saturday, 1 February 2020 05:54 (two weeks ago) link

I watched it! That part got me too. I liked it a lot but am having a hard time putting my thoughts about it into a coherent form.

I guess what I found most interesting and moving about it was that it's not really about her career or her album, and it's not even entirely about her political awakening. It's about being in your twenties and taking a long, hard look at yourself and trying to figure out if you're growing up into the kind of person you really want to be. It's just that the person going through all that - doing the normal, everyday work of trying to be a decent, engaged, mature adult human - is having to do it under the pressures of an insane, unending level of fame that's already done its best to warp her. I was struck by that moment at the end when she says that she got stuck at the age she got famous. That's a pretty devastating thing to say about yourself, and yet she doesn't say it in a self-reproachful way, more with just honest sadness about the time she lost.

Lily Dale, Saturday, 1 February 2020 08:12 (two weeks ago) link

otm

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Saturday, 1 February 2020 19:49 (two weeks ago) link

I thought the documentary was really good. Gained a lot of respect for her, and also felt bad for her (surely by design). Mostly it made me wish she would just totally vanish entirely for 5 years, then come back and kick everyone's ass just for herself, not for sales or fucking Grammys.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 2 February 2020 02:14 (two weeks ago) link

It was wild to me that she even felt like she had to sell her team of dudes (one of which was her dad I think) on supporting Bresden. Spelling out the risks to her safety and bank account like she isn’t fully capable of comprehending those things on her own. Not to mention she’s Taylor Motherfucking Swift, i.e. (as is said elsewhere in the doc) “The Music Industry “

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Sunday, 2 February 2020 03:26 (two weeks ago) link

really enjoyed the doc, it was sort of like "the archer": the movie. i don't even really consider myself someone invested in taylor swift: the person and i cried... several times throughout, especially at the scene where she talked about her disordered eating

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 13:39 (two weeks ago) link

i wish we had gotten to see more than the joel little lover sessions (like please put me in the studio where antonoff and swift are writing "death by a thousand cuts" come onnnnn) but i also realize that that's not really what the movie was about. the reputation-era recording footage was great though

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 13:42 (two weeks ago) link

every time joel little appeared on screen i yelled "it's my enemy!!!!" even though i've come around to most of his productions on this record

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 13:44 (two weeks ago) link

she's such a clever lyricist so it was especially neat watching her excitedly read/sing them back off her phone.

I imagine this wasn't done purposefully but I thought the progression of her as a "character" in this film was really interesting, just in terms of the things she was dealing with and how they were framed. As much as I love her music I still think the initial Kanye awards-show bumrush stuff has been way overblown and it was hard not to roll my eyes when it was portrayed as something incredibly traumatic (that's setting aside all of the gross shit Kanye's done since). But by the end of the movie, when she's opened up about her eating disorder and gone through a real political awakening, I was 100% in her corner.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 14:16 (two weeks ago) link

I think it was traumatic to her because she sets herself up as so driven by praise that even the brief scare of thinking she was being booed was like getting hit by a truck.

There were I thought a couple of good points (pro and con) made on ... Jezebel? Yeah.

https://themuse.jezebel.com/miss-americana-or-miss-it-altogether-a-swiftie-and-a-n-1841452248

This was from the "pro" side:

The Taylor Swift documentary is actually a miraculous body of work in that Taylor spends the entire time—in a film that is supposedly an attempt to speak to her fans—not speaking to them at all. She keeps up the pristine Taylor Swift image, by not saying anything at all. It’s stagecraft, and it’s performed to perfection; that’s why none of this feels like a believable documentary. She still gets to walk away as Taylor Swift, the unblemished package without ever having to show the audience Taylor Allison, the human being. It’s this ability to hide in plain sight that makes her so fascinating, and it’s the thing that will keep Taylor Swift on top for years to come.

Except I guess I would counter that this documentary is *not* supposed to speak to her fans, it's supposed to do exactly what it does. Serve/rehabilitate "Taylor Swift" by way of selective transparency. Which, as the quote points out, is surprisingly hard to do. Like, there is clearly tons of stuff she does not want us to see - like workouts, or rehearsals, or money stuff, or how she lives - and even the "revealing" stuff she wants us to see is very carefully doled out. She eats a burrito because she is "just like us," but esp. in light of the (unspecified) eating disorder reveal, does she usually have to watch what she eats? We sort of see her without makeup, once, but not really, and we see her putting on makeup, but we don't see the whole team she employs to look like "Taylor Swift." None of this matters, this isn't Frederick Wiseman, it just shows an uncanny instinct for how much can stay hidden without destroying the illusion that this is a revealing documentary.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 5 February 2020 15:22 (two weeks ago) link

it's true, as wealthy as I'm sure she is, the film was careful not to present her as living in some kind of outrageous luxury. the settings for most of the "intimate" or "personal" moments scanned to me as either very upper middle-class or maybe borderline rich. it is sad that she only discovered burritos like two years ago though.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 15:59 (two weeks ago) link

wow astonishing how much i hate both sides of that jezebel piece

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 16:03 (two weeks ago) link

There are no diva fits; there’s not even shade. She is palpably elusive in an interview regarding her fraught relationship with food—she only uses the phrase “eating disorder” to note that it’s not a phrase she used when she wasn’t eating (“You don’t ever say to yourself, ‘I’ve got an eating disorder,’ but you make a list of everything you’re putting in your mouth that day and you know that’s probably not right...”). There’s no real indication of how her issues with food resolved if, in fact, they had. To be clear, I’m not suggesting that I’m entitled to know anything about Taylor Swift’s relationship with food, and I’m certainly not suggesting she shouldn’t illustrate how life in the spotlight can affect such matters; what I’m saying is that after not having asked the question, I’ve been given a really threadbare answer from someone who prides herself on her ability to tell stories.

.... i guess it's possible to get a lot of different things out of the eating disorder monologue, but my main reaction to this is..... for fuck's sake??????

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 16:07 (two weeks ago) link

the cognitive dissonance involved in approaching a taylor swift documentary expecting diva fits and shade, and then segueing (poorly) into how unconvincing her talking about her eating disorder is for you, personally? and the fact that she actually does, in the documentary, talk about how she resolved her food issues?????? god i should've known better to read beyond the fuckin byline here

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 16:11 (two weeks ago) link

If Taylor would fully commit to this adult person that she showed slivers of in Miss Americana, the toxic part of the fanbase would wither away, and the true Swifties would stick around.

as for the positive half of this dumbass discussion, i have no reason to believe this is true and the writer doesn't convince me

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 16:15 (two weeks ago) link

also the narrative juzwiak believes the film has, it... doesn't. it's not about how swift decided to make a better record than reputation and wow she sure did and it was sooooo successful (even though it wasn't exactly). it's about the folly of even placing that expectation on yourself in the first place, of thinking "if i just make a better record everyone will love me again"

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 16:38 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah, one of the things I liked about this documentary was that it's not an exercise in giving Swift fans everything they've ever wanted in the way of access. It's pared itself down to the story Swift wants to tell, which is about someone who built her entire life and career around thinking that if she just did everything right she could make everyone like her, and who then found out the hard way that her entire worldview was wrong and had to set about remaking herself. It's a good story. It's compelling, it's meaningful, and as far as I can tell, it seems to be true. And it's a story that requires Swift to admit, by implication, that a lot of the way she wrote and talked and presented herself early in her career now comes across as self-deluding and emotionally stunted. So it's by no means an easy story to tell. It's weird to see it from the point of view of a Taylor Swift Fan for whom this level of access simply isn't enough.

And it's weird to see Lover reduced in these pieces to the question of whether or not it wins awards. I mean, the reason I watched the doc in the first place was that I saw a new level of maturity and self-criticism in the album and wanted to see if that was reflected/complemented in the doc. Which it was.

Lily Dale, Wednesday, 5 February 2020 17:24 (two weeks ago) link

I kind of come at it from the opposite direction. The documentary kind of makes me want to listen to the record, which I mostly avoided, because the first two singles were terrible. But I was intrigued by her approach to those two terrible songs by way of this documentary.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 5 February 2020 17:30 (two weeks ago) link

t's about the folly of even placing that expectation on yourself in the first place, of thinking "if i just make a better record everyone will love me again"

― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, February 5, 2020 11:38 AM (fifty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yeah. Wasn't this the lode star that Michael Jackson followed in the nineties?

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 17:32 (two weeks ago) link

The documentary kind of makes me want to listen to the record, which I mostly avoided, because the first two singles were terrible.

Yeah if I've learned anything from all this it's that Taylor Swift's judgement in singles is fairly bonkers. Not entirely, because the third single was "The Archer," which was what made me listen to the album. But really, 18 tracks, at least 13 of which are solidly good, and that's what she releases?

Lily Dale, Wednesday, 5 February 2020 18:15 (two weeks ago) link

One could argue that Swift cared less about the "best" songs, instead focusing on the singles that could be bigger statements - i.e. pulling in the PATD collaboration and the timeliness of the pro-LGBTQIA message with "You Need to Calm Down". Undoubtedly they are among the weaker songs on the record, but they sure seem to have done the job of getting PR attention.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 18:22 (two weeks ago) link

i love that the movie extensively documents the writing and recording of "me!" which doesn't help make any sense of it as a song someone would ever write and record. it sounds much nicer on piano though

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 18:23 (two weeks ago) link


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