taylor swift iridescent smoke bombs thread 2019 - lover

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american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 13 June 2019 20:54 (five months ago) link

poor Charli announced her album just a couple hours before

"me!" sucks, is that on there?

Simon H., Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:00 (five months ago) link

yep it's track 16

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:02 (five months ago) link

of 18

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:02 (five months ago) link

I love that Kehalni album cover!

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:02 (five months ago) link

Brad you've really got the scoop, I don't see this anywhere else online...

Theodor Adorno, perhaps the greatest philosopher alive today (morrisp), Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:04 (five months ago) link

she announced it on instagram

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:05 (five months ago) link

18 Tracks: Exile On Tay-Tay St.

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:05 (five months ago) link

interesting title for the next single

"You Need to Calm down"
Released: June 14, 2019

johnny crunch, Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:06 (five months ago) link

she's right i do

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:06 (five months ago) link

its good advice

johnny crunch, Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:07 (five months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GulWnJx3uu0

maura, Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:09 (five months ago) link

always happy for an excuse to post that clip

maura, Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:09 (five months ago) link

Not a fan of the title...

Theodor Adorno, perhaps the greatest philosopher alive today (morrisp), Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:12 (five months ago) link

The cd box sees a return to some kind of 'longbox' format. We never had those in England; i liked them!

piscesx, Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:25 (five months ago) link

august 23

☮ (peace, man), Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:27 (five months ago) link

this new song is shocking... and the video! oh my god. reminds me of The Feeling or something. very 2005. both of their vocals can give so much more, especially urie, but this is disappointing. hopefully the lp will have a few better cuts. 'wildest dreams' still knocks

meaulnes, Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:30 (five months ago) link

Looks like there will be 4(!) different Target Deluxe Editions; but as with Reputation, no extra songs on any of them: https://www.target.com/c/taylor-swift/-/N-54u4c?AFID=Lover

Theodor Adorno, perhaps the greatest philosopher alive today (morrisp), Thursday, 13 June 2019 22:18 (five months ago) link

(I guess with 18 tracks, that's not surprising)

Theodor Adorno, perhaps the greatest philosopher alive today (morrisp), Thursday, 13 June 2019 22:19 (five months ago) link

The signalling via the album title and cover obv is pretty heavy-handed but I'm kinda hopeful that the album follows through on it - with a couple of exceptions taylor typically has been on shakiest ground when simultaneously leaning towards pop and away from relationship melodrama.

Tim F, Thursday, 13 June 2019 22:45 (five months ago) link

hoping, probably folornly, that single #2 is slightly less jojo siwa

monotony, Friday, 14 June 2019 00:18 (five months ago) link

i was scared that she was going to call the album la vie en rose though so at least she didn't do that

monotony, Friday, 14 June 2019 00:19 (five months ago) link

"you need to calm down" is a lot better than "me!" but it's not particularly good either, just inoffensive

ufo, Friday, 14 June 2019 04:08 (five months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWtfOHBF1_w

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 14 June 2019 09:55 (five months ago) link

i'm not ready to defend this position but: i like this one

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 14 June 2019 09:55 (five months ago) link

I like the beat/synth and the verses but the chorus is cringey imo.
It's borderline Mika territory !

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 14 June 2019 10:01 (five months ago) link

it's more 'pleasant but fairly forgettable album track' than 'second single'

ufo, Friday, 14 June 2019 10:19 (five months ago) link

amazing thread title

hot dog go to bathroom (cajunsunday), Friday, 14 June 2019 10:57 (five months ago) link

why does every new single sound like "send my love to your new lover," was it THAT big of a hit?

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 14 June 2019 12:28 (five months ago) link

those stacked-up notes beginning the chorus are admittedly a very good hook though

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 14 June 2019 12:31 (five months ago) link

I mean it's OK, but does anyone else feel like there's elements of this song that are...y'know...pandering?

It sorta feels like when a huge corporation puts their logo in rainbow colours. Like, great cause, but the fact that you're only doing it now because you're confident enough that it won't tank your stock price does cheapen it somewhat.

triggercut, Friday, 14 June 2019 13:42 (five months ago) link

you can want who you want
boys and boys and girls and girls

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 14 June 2019 14:11 (five months ago) link

those stacked-up notes beginning the chorus are admittedly a very good hook though

― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, June 14, 2019 5:31 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is the part i like so much

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 14 June 2019 14:15 (five months ago) link

p4k's Michelle Kim disagrees:

Swift dedicates the second half of the song to prove her allyship to the gay community, which again, deserves some props. But her way of showing alliance is confounding: “Why be mad, when you can be GLAAD,” she sings, upping the LGBTQ-centering media organization, but also parroting a literal Tupperware slogan. And when she says “shade never made anyone less gay,” she adopts slang with queer black origins in an attempt to create a mic-drop moment, but ends up sounding like another corporation proving they’re “down for the cause” during Pride Month. All of this, coupled with a hook that’s mostly vowels, makes for a song that’s somehow bewildering and underwhelming at the same time.

flappy bird, Friday, 14 June 2019 16:37 (five months ago) link

I like this new song (it's so much better than "Me!"). The bridge is kind of a missed opportunity, but you can't have everything.

Theodor Adorno, perhaps the greatest philosopher alive today (morrisp), Friday, 14 June 2019 17:08 (five months ago) link

Maybe the third single will be good.

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Friday, 14 June 2019 21:19 (five months ago) link

pretty good but the lyrics are brutal

flopson, Friday, 14 June 2019 22:09 (five months ago) link

This song is terrible

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Saturday, 15 June 2019 02:41 (five months ago) link

This is going to date horribly.

Fried Egg Sandwich, Saturday, 15 June 2019 08:36 (five months ago) link

She's been pretty vocal about gay rights ... for the past couple of months. Especially for someone who has avoided politics, afaict. It scans kind of gross to me, like her newfound armchair activism is just part of the marketing roll out for the new album.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 15 June 2019 13:06 (five months ago) link

she has been speaking directly to her gay fans since at least 2014

american bradass (BradNelson), Saturday, 15 June 2019 13:08 (five months ago) link

She is absolutely not bandwagoning

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 15 June 2019 13:13 (five months ago) link

On Vox the writer stated that Taylor is drawing a false equivalency between "being criticized for being a celebrity" and anti-gay protesters at Pride Parades

I think this equivalency makes an ugly second verse, but it's not, like, a bad comparison. I think it's a misguided equivalency but not a false equivalency. Connecting the motivation behind shit-posters on Twitter and God Hates Fags sign-wavers is... clunky but not wrong, as far as I'm concerned

I think the first verse is pretty effective, this isn't a single I like personally, but it's a single I've liked more than most of her recent singles incl. a couple of 1989 efforts

It is strange to see voices of poptimistic criticism become frustrated with a pop song once the writer becomes self-aware and conspicuously manipulative. The word "pandering" has been thrown around but what mainstream pop music in the past 10 years has not been pandering? It's almost like "we want the pandering to seem accidental instead of intentional" or something

flamboyant goon tie included, Saturday, 15 June 2019 13:31 (five months ago) link

I do wish participation in queer culture by otherwise straight and/or mostly-straight pop artists was more all in, rather than kind of superficially political. Appropriation of queer and qpoc language and tropes can be both egregious AND fabulous (see Madonna's "Vogue")

flamboyant goon tie included, Saturday, 15 June 2019 13:35 (five months ago) link

Except for the "parade" line, I wouldn't have known this alludes to Pride if I hadn't watched the video.

I like Motormouth Swift, so this sounds better than Repuation's first single, and if it gets on the radio I'll like it next to "Bad Guy" and "Old Town Road."

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 15 June 2019 13:36 (five months ago) link

I don't feel pandered to as a queer man because, after all, a Pride parade is superficial performativity anyway.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 15 June 2019 13:39 (five months ago) link

As someone who is neither gay nor a fan, the first I noticed her being more politically vocal was recently, during the 2018 Tennessee election. She's since said or posted one or two other things, which is why it felt like part of her marketing ramp-up (esp. coming after relative social media silence). It's good to hear she's apparently been more vocal for a while, though it's not for me to say if she's been loud enough.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 15 June 2019 13:42 (five months ago) link

I'm neither gay nor a Swift fan in particular but I can think of some fairly obvious reasons that equating/comparing tweets against an extremely famous pop star with anti-LGBT sentiment could be seen as off-putting

Simon H., Saturday, 15 June 2019 13:52 (five months ago) link

i'm gay and i like her work and i can't say i give a shit

american bradass (BradNelson), Saturday, 15 June 2019 13:53 (five months ago) link

There were a lot of “issues” songs in the 80s that were no doubt otm but sound pretty lame now

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Saturday, 15 June 2019 13:55 (five months ago) link

Madonna can totally sell at arenas.

What are you basing that on? Your feelings, or market research? Because in fact very, very few acts are arena-sized anymore; the public appetite for those kind of concerts has diminished quite a bit over the last decade or two. Almost every big concert now features roped-off or unsold sections.

Who is Madonna's audience? I don't see her having much of a young (under-30) fan base; her biggest fans are Gen X-ers and older millennials, people in their 30s and/or 40s. Those people don't go out as much as they once did. They have kids, they're tired after work, blah blah blah. And she doesn't have hit records anymore — her last Top 10 single (on the main Billboard chart, not the dance chart) was in 2012, seven years ago. None of the three singles from her new album charted at all.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Sunday, 17 November 2019 19:38 (three days ago) link

Neither my feelings nor market research. I'm pretty sure the last time she toured, 2015, it was all sold out arenas. Indeed, per Wiki (fwiw): "The tour courted a number of controversies, but attained commercial success. It was attended by an audience of over 1.05 million with all the shows being sold out. Rebel Heart Tour grossed $169.8 million, extending Madonna's record as the highest-grossing solo touring artist with total gross of $1.131 billion, beginning with the Blond Ambition Tour (1990). This ranked her in third place on the all-time top-grossing Billboard Boxscore list, only behind the Rolling Stones and U2."

I suppose things could have changed since then. But she's one of the most popular, top selling artists of all time, I find a precipitous decline in interest unlikely.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 17 November 2019 20:42 (three days ago) link

And also, from personal experience, there have been tons of hot-ticket sold-out arena shows in recent months/years, from Tool to Bob Seger to Ariana Grande. Hell, I took my daughter to see Panic! At the Disco last year, and even *that* was sold out. I think your claim of "almost every big concert now features roped-off or unsold sections" isn't really backed up, unless you can, you know, back it up.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 17 November 2019 20:45 (three days ago) link

Several different artists/bands have multi-night residencies booked this month at my local arena; I assume that means they’re selling the place out...

paris geller spinoff pitch (morrisp), Sunday, 17 November 2019 23:55 (three days ago) link

Yes, but each of those cases is different. Maná are legends, and they can do that in Southern California but not nationwide. Slayer are on their we-really-mean-it-this-time final tour, and they too are from California. Here in NY they did one night at Madison Square Garden and there were a lot of people there but I don't believe it was a sellout. Ariana Grande is legitimately huge, but for how much longer? Do you see her having a decades-long Mariah Carey-style career? I don't know if pop music still works that way anymore.

In major markets (New York, LA, Chicago), it's possible for some artists to sell out arenas. But that doesn't mean it's scalable across the country anymore. I would argue tiat in at least 40 out of 50 states, you're gambling on a half or 3/4 house.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Monday, 18 November 2019 00:36 (two days ago) link

Guess I'll have to take your word for it; sounds like everything's an exception to the rule.

As for Ariana -- I totally think she could have a career rivaling Mariah's (which has had its ups & downs, btw). But even if she retired tomorrow, surely there will be new Ariana Grandes* and Billie Eilishes filling arenas each decade, no?

(*in terms of popularity, not necessarily greatness!)

paris geller spinoff pitch (morrisp), Monday, 18 November 2019 01:53 (two days ago) link

Btw -- I hope Ariana does not retire tmrrw, b/c I have a ticket to her 12/22 show at the Forum (the final show of the tour, and the 2nd show I'm seeing on the tour). I'll let you know afterward how I rate her prospects for continued success in the 2020s!

paris geller spinoff pitch (morrisp), Monday, 18 November 2019 01:57 (two days ago) link

billie eilish's career has already peaked i can feel it

💠 (crüt), Monday, 18 November 2019 01:57 (two days ago) link

But even if she retired tomorrow, surely there will be new Ariana Grandes* and Billie Eilishes filling arenas each decade, no?

I don't know. I feel like the trend line points downward, and I've read quotes from industry folks in Billboard and other places talking about this for several years now. I don't know how long it'll take, but arena concerts are probably gonna go the way of shopping malls eventually - music just isn't gonna be experienced in that kind of massive group context in the future. It has a lot to do with an overall atomization and breakdown of what once was (or at least seemed like) a monoculture. I mean, there was a time when Big Pop Hits were inescapable, but I've never heard an Ariana Grande song. All music is much more opt-in now than it was 20 or even 10 years ago, and every artist is a cult artist now - some cults are just bigger than others, but nobody appeals to everybody the way pop megastars used to.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Monday, 18 November 2019 02:01 (two days ago) link

You sound like Dick Cheney, who had to be explained who Madonna was in the 1980s (lol).

crüt -- I read that in the Beck "Loser" voice

paris geller spinoff pitch (morrisp), Monday, 18 November 2019 02:10 (two days ago) link

Idk, I doubt that my Mom could have named a Madonna song in the 80s. If anything, I've heard the argument made that you now hear pop hits where you used to hear Muzak, which sounds OTM to me.

No language just sound (Sund4r), Monday, 18 November 2019 03:04 (two days ago) link

i thought more acts were playing arena shows than ever before. there was a whole thread where we talked about weird bands playing big venues.

Ghost played arenas. the place in Portland has people named Lauren Daigle, Dermot Kennedy and Brantley Gilbert coming through.

alpine static, Monday, 18 November 2019 07:53 (two days ago) link

I read around the time of the Swift concert I saw a couple months ago here in Paris that she was playing with the idea of touring smaller venues this time, like arenas or even theaters, rather than stadiums. Instead, she's playing European festivals this coming summer.

The main arena here has a bunch of French bands playing it, but as far as North American acts I see the Jonas Brothers, Lana Del Rey, Kiss and Slipknot. There's also Elton John, Nick Cave, Harry Styles, and Mika.

L'assie (Euler), Monday, 18 November 2019 08:55 (two days ago) link

wow music is terrible

💠 (crüt), Monday, 18 November 2019 12:48 (two days ago) link

lol, there it is

imago, Monday, 18 November 2019 12:48 (two days ago) link

there was a whole thread where we talked about weird bands playing big venues.

I just checked who is playing the local arena and wow, Half Moon Run, a band from whom I have heard one song but about whom I keep hearing from people who are 15-20 years than myself, are playing there in January. I had no idea they were arena sized.

No language just sound (Sund4r), Monday, 18 November 2019 14:48 (two days ago) link

I could be wrong, but I don't think I am.

First, the basics: according to MBW’s number-crunching of Pollstar’s data from last year, the Top 100 global tours in H1 2018 turned over $2.81bn in gross sales.

In H1 2019, however, this half-year worldwide figure for the Top 100 tours stood at $2.06bn – falling by 26.8%, or $752m, year-on-year.

In other words, global live music industry ticket sales, on average, generated over $100m less per month in the first half of 2019 than they did in the equivalent period of 2018.

...

There was one obvious culprit for this perilous drop in revenues: the total volume of global ticket sales took a hammering in H1 2019.

Pollstar’s data from last year, analyzed by MBW, shows that 31.29m tickets were sold for the world’s Top 100 highest-grossing tours in H1 2018.

However, in the equivalent six months from this year, that half-year ticket sales number had fallen by over 9m, or 28.8%, to 22.28m tickets.

...

According to MBW’s analysis of the numbers, North America saw exactly the same declining trends as those which hit the globe in H1 2019.

For one thing, the total concert gross amongst the Top 100 tours in NA during the first six months of this year reached $1.55bn, down by a hefty $97m year-on-year.

Total ticket sales also fell significantly year-on-year. H1 2019 saw cumulative ticket sales of 16.9m, according to our calculations of Pollstar’s data.

This was down 2.2m on the equivalent six months in 2018 – and by a serious-looking 5.9m on the same period of 2017.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Monday, 18 November 2019 14:54 (two days ago) link

Then I remembered that we have another, bigger arena. City and Colour and Miranda Lambert are playing there.

No language just sound (Sund4r), Monday, 18 November 2019 15:05 (two days ago) link

xp

No language just sound (Sund4r), Monday, 18 November 2019 15:05 (two days ago) link

xxp That article is talking about a one-year decline, don’t think you can use it to extrapolate long-term trends.

paris geller spinoff pitch (morrisp), Monday, 18 November 2019 15:25 (two days ago) link

Yeah, acc to the same source, concert revenue hit a record high in the first half of 2018 (the time period you are using as a reference), up 12% from the previous year. Most sources I see project overall growth in the area.

https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/global-concert-sales-hit-record-high-in-first-half-of-2018-but-so-do-average-ticket-prices/

No language just sound (Sund4r), Monday, 18 November 2019 15:32 (two days ago) link

acts coming to stadiums around here:

Luke Combs
Tool
Harry Styles
Cher
Chance the Rapper
The Misfits (!)
Billie Eilish
Celine Dion
Trans-Siberian Orchestra
The Lumineers
Camilla Cabello
Black Crowes
Kenny Chesney

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 18 November 2019 16:03 (two days ago) link

stadiums or arenas?

L'assie (Euler), Monday, 18 November 2019 16:16 (two days ago) link

I dunno. Whatever Wells Fargo Center is.

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 18 November 2019 16:22 (two days ago) link

And Lincoln Financial Field

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 18 November 2019 16:23 (two days ago) link

first is an arena, second's a stadium

L'assie (Euler), Monday, 18 November 2019 16:25 (two days ago) link

Stadiums are for summer tours, like Taylor Swift or the Stones or Kenny Chesney's "Chillaxification Tour."

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 18 November 2019 17:13 (two days ago) link

Enclosed Stadiums are still a thing.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 18 November 2019 17:26 (two days ago) link

For sure. But acts touring stadiums I presume aren't going to go on a big stadium tour and just skip the cities that don't have enclosed stadiums. I'm not sure I've heard of any act going on a winter stadium tour, but I could be wrong!

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 18 November 2019 17:54 (two days ago) link

They also get to play castles over here in the UK.

groovypanda, Monday, 18 November 2019 20:11 (two days ago) link

I just had a mental vision of Taylor Swift doing a gig in an inflatable play castle. It would work!

Ashley Pomeroy, Monday, 18 November 2019 20:26 (two days ago) link

Ah, that's more of a Katy Perry thing.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 18 November 2019 20:33 (two days ago) link

"She's hosting several A-listers at her Rhode Island mansion for the Fourth Of July weekend.

And Taylor Swift has pulled out all the stops to ensure her celebrity guests have a holiday they'll never forget.

The 26-year-old has transformed her $17.75million home into the ultimate party paradise, with a huge red, white and blue inflatable slide installed next to her swimming pool, complete with mats to zoom down it on."

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 18 November 2019 20:34 (two days ago) link

Self XPS Of course, Katy Perry wishes she could sellout a bouncy castle these days.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 18 November 2019 20:34 (two days ago) link

TS has the inflatable slide market LOCKED DOWN.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 18 November 2019 20:36 (two days ago) link

i like inflatable slides too! omg she's so relatable

imago, Monday, 18 November 2019 21:08 (two days ago) link

if you have a slide *and* you have a pool, shouldn’t one land in the other? this seems like bad feng shui.

fact checking cuz, Monday, 18 November 2019 21:41 (two days ago) link

Worth noting (or maybe not) that quote was from 2015, and she apparently stopped those parties after 2016.

paris geller spinoff pitch (morrisp), Monday, 18 November 2019 22:14 (two days ago) link

With her dwindling sales and popularity she's got to watch her budget, no more spendthrift inflatable pool slide rentals.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 18 November 2019 22:22 (two days ago) link

US arenas generally have to book about six to twelve months in advance and the amount of money involved in a tour is so much that it doesn't happen unless everyone involved understands the ROI is gonna justify it that far out... that said, i'm certainly noticing an influx of comparatively younger acts graduating quickly to arena status (on the east coast at least) to better/faster capitalize on immediate success.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 16:06 (yesterday) link

TS has the inflatable slide market LOCKED DOWN.

― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain

Those chairs are too close to the end, though

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 16:15 (yesterday) link

a good test for new york (which is a skewed market anyway because of industry) might be to see how many acts went from playing the main building to whatever they're calling the former felt forum space now (the theater at msg i believe).

maura, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 16:54 (yesterday) link

the hulu theater iirc

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 17:09 (yesterday) link

The Carlyle Group Theater at ScooterBraunLive!

paris geller spinoff pitch (morrisp), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 17:33 (yesterday) link

i only see artisanal artists in living room btw

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 17:55 (yesterday) link

a good test for new york (which is a skewed market anyway because of industry) might be to see how many acts went from playing the main building to whatever they're calling the former felt forum space now (the theater at msg i believe).

i believe the new york knicks will soon be moving into the smaller space.

fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 19:15 (yesterday) link

How are their record sales?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 19:17 (yesterday) link

not nearly as good as the portland trail blazers' record sales, iirc

fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 19:20 (yesterday) link

ts: Dame DOLLA vs JD & The Straight Shot

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 20:03 (yesterday) link


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