taylor swift iridescent smoke bombs thread 2019 - lover

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american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 13 June 2019 20:54 (one month ago) link

poor Charli announced her album just a couple hours before

"me!" sucks, is that on there?

Simon H., Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:00 (one month ago) link

yep it's track 16

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:02 (one month ago) link

of 18

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:02 (one month ago) link

I love that Kehalni album cover!

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:02 (one month ago) link

Brad you've really got the scoop, I don't see this anywhere else online...

Theodor Adorno, perhaps the greatest philosopher alive today (morrisp), Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:04 (one month ago) link

she announced it on instagram

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:05 (one month ago) link

18 Tracks: Exile On Tay-Tay St.

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:05 (one month ago) link

interesting title for the next single

"You Need to Calm down"
Released: June 14, 2019

johnny crunch, Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:06 (one month ago) link

she's right i do

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:06 (one month ago) link

its good advice

johnny crunch, Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:07 (one month ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GulWnJx3uu0

maura, Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:09 (one month ago) link

always happy for an excuse to post that clip

maura, Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:09 (one month ago) link

Not a fan of the title...

Theodor Adorno, perhaps the greatest philosopher alive today (morrisp), Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:12 (one month ago) link

The cd box sees a return to some kind of 'longbox' format. We never had those in England; i liked them!

piscesx, Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:25 (one month ago) link

august 23

☮ (peace, man), Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:27 (one month ago) link

this new song is shocking... and the video! oh my god. reminds me of The Feeling or something. very 2005. both of their vocals can give so much more, especially urie, but this is disappointing. hopefully the lp will have a few better cuts. 'wildest dreams' still knocks

meaulnes, Thursday, 13 June 2019 21:30 (one month ago) link

Looks like there will be 4(!) different Target Deluxe Editions; but as with Reputation, no extra songs on any of them: https://www.target.com/c/taylor-swift/-/N-54u4c?AFID=Lover

Theodor Adorno, perhaps the greatest philosopher alive today (morrisp), Thursday, 13 June 2019 22:18 (one month ago) link

(I guess with 18 tracks, that's not surprising)

Theodor Adorno, perhaps the greatest philosopher alive today (morrisp), Thursday, 13 June 2019 22:19 (one month ago) link

The signalling via the album title and cover obv is pretty heavy-handed but I'm kinda hopeful that the album follows through on it - with a couple of exceptions taylor typically has been on shakiest ground when simultaneously leaning towards pop and away from relationship melodrama.

Tim F, Thursday, 13 June 2019 22:45 (one month ago) link

hoping, probably folornly, that single #2 is slightly less jojo siwa

monotony, Friday, 14 June 2019 00:18 (one month ago) link

i was scared that she was going to call the album la vie en rose though so at least she didn't do that

monotony, Friday, 14 June 2019 00:19 (one month ago) link

"you need to calm down" is a lot better than "me!" but it's not particularly good either, just inoffensive

ufo, Friday, 14 June 2019 04:08 (one month ago) link

i'm not ready to defend this position but: i like this one

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 14 June 2019 09:55 (one month ago) link

I like the beat/synth and the verses but the chorus is cringey imo.
It's borderline Mika territory !

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 14 June 2019 10:01 (one month ago) link

it's more 'pleasant but fairly forgettable album track' than 'second single'

ufo, Friday, 14 June 2019 10:19 (one month ago) link

amazing thread title

hot dog go to bathroom (cajunsunday), Friday, 14 June 2019 10:57 (one month ago) link

why does every new single sound like "send my love to your new lover," was it THAT big of a hit?

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 14 June 2019 12:28 (one month ago) link

those stacked-up notes beginning the chorus are admittedly a very good hook though

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 14 June 2019 12:31 (one month ago) link

I mean it's OK, but does anyone else feel like there's elements of this song that are...y'know...pandering?

It sorta feels like when a huge corporation puts their logo in rainbow colours. Like, great cause, but the fact that you're only doing it now because you're confident enough that it won't tank your stock price does cheapen it somewhat.

triggercut, Friday, 14 June 2019 13:42 (one month ago) link

you can want who you want
boys and boys and girls and girls

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 14 June 2019 14:11 (one month ago) link

those stacked-up notes beginning the chorus are admittedly a very good hook though

― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, June 14, 2019 5:31 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is the part i like so much

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 14 June 2019 14:15 (one month ago) link

p4k's Michelle Kim disagrees:

Swift dedicates the second half of the song to prove her allyship to the gay community, which again, deserves some props. But her way of showing alliance is confounding: “Why be mad, when you can be GLAAD,” she sings, upping the LGBTQ-centering media organization, but also parroting a literal Tupperware slogan. And when she says “shade never made anyone less gay,” she adopts slang with queer black origins in an attempt to create a mic-drop moment, but ends up sounding like another corporation proving they’re “down for the cause” during Pride Month. All of this, coupled with a hook that’s mostly vowels, makes for a song that’s somehow bewildering and underwhelming at the same time.

flappy bird, Friday, 14 June 2019 16:37 (one month ago) link

I like this new song (it's so much better than "Me!"). The bridge is kind of a missed opportunity, but you can't have everything.

Maybe the third single will be good.

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Friday, 14 June 2019 21:19 (one month ago) link

pretty good but the lyrics are brutal

flopson, Friday, 14 June 2019 22:09 (one month ago) link

This song is terrible

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Saturday, 15 June 2019 02:41 (one month ago) link

This is going to date horribly.

Fried Egg Sandwich, Saturday, 15 June 2019 08:36 (one month ago) link

She's been pretty vocal about gay rights ... for the past couple of months. Especially for someone who has avoided politics, afaict. It scans kind of gross to me, like her newfound armchair activism is just part of the marketing roll out for the new album.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 15 June 2019 13:06 (one month ago) link

she has been speaking directly to her gay fans since at least 2014

american bradass (BradNelson), Saturday, 15 June 2019 13:08 (one month ago) link

She is absolutely not bandwagoning

On Vox the writer stated that Taylor is drawing a false equivalency between "being criticized for being a celebrity" and anti-gay protesters at Pride Parades

I think this equivalency makes an ugly second verse, but it's not, like, a bad comparison. I think it's a misguided equivalency but not a false equivalency. Connecting the motivation behind shit-posters on Twitter and God Hates Fags sign-wavers is... clunky but not wrong, as far as I'm concerned

I think the first verse is pretty effective, this isn't a single I like personally, but it's a single I've liked more than most of her recent singles incl. a couple of 1989 efforts

It is strange to see voices of poptimistic criticism become frustrated with a pop song once the writer becomes self-aware and conspicuously manipulative. The word "pandering" has been thrown around but what mainstream pop music in the past 10 years has not been pandering? It's almost like "we want the pandering to seem accidental instead of intentional" or something

flamboyant goon tie included, Saturday, 15 June 2019 13:31 (one month ago) link

I do wish participation in queer culture by otherwise straight and/or mostly-straight pop artists was more all in, rather than kind of superficially political. Appropriation of queer and qpoc language and tropes can be both egregious AND fabulous (see Madonna's "Vogue")

flamboyant goon tie included, Saturday, 15 June 2019 13:35 (one month ago) link

Except for the "parade" line, I wouldn't have known this alludes to Pride if I hadn't watched the video.

I like Motormouth Swift, so this sounds better than Repuation's first single, and if it gets on the radio I'll like it next to "Bad Guy" and "Old Town Road."

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 15 June 2019 13:36 (one month ago) link

I don't feel pandered to as a queer man because, after all, a Pride parade is superficial performativity anyway.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 15 June 2019 13:39 (one month ago) link

As someone who is neither gay nor a fan, the first I noticed her being more politically vocal was recently, during the 2018 Tennessee election. She's since said or posted one or two other things, which is why it felt like part of her marketing ramp-up (esp. coming after relative social media silence). It's good to hear she's apparently been more vocal for a while, though it's not for me to say if she's been loud enough.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 15 June 2019 13:42 (one month ago) link

I'm neither gay nor a Swift fan in particular but I can think of some fairly obvious reasons that equating/comparing tweets against an extremely famous pop star with anti-LGBT sentiment could be seen as off-putting

Simon H., Saturday, 15 June 2019 13:52 (one month ago) link

i'm gay and i like her work and i can't say i give a shit

american bradass (BradNelson), Saturday, 15 June 2019 13:53 (one month ago) link

There were a lot of “issues” songs in the 80s that were no doubt otm but sound pretty lame now

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Saturday, 15 June 2019 13:55 (one month ago) link

I was commenting more specifically on Kim Kardashian apparently calling Taylor Swift a snake, and Taylor Swift reacting by saying it was the most hurt she had ever felt in her life or something.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 21:54 (two weeks ago) link

well.... taylor was one of a number of celebs.... i think you could at least say there's some sort of artistic statement being made by the video. the song lyric tho is just bad aside from being wrong on the facts

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 2 July 2019 21:55 (two weeks ago) link

If it were your wife or daughter, would you feel the same way?

... (Eazy), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 22:32 (two weeks ago) link

(or sister or mother, whatever is appropriate)

... (Eazy), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 22:33 (two weeks ago) link

I don't know, I don't think that is a fair comparison. If my mom or daughter were being bullied in school for being fat or ugly or unsuccessful or whatever, I would absolutely be mad. But if my mom or daughter was a massively successful pop star, and she was being made fun of in the most juvenile way by a bunch of equally famous and successful idiots simply for being a massively successful pop star, I think I could probably ignore them. I don't Even know what Kim Kardashian's voice sounds like. But, like, how much shit does Taylor Swift get on a daily basis? Just for being rich and famous and pretty. Not long ago people were debating whether or not she was affiliated with the alt right. That would be far more anger inducing then Kanye West farting out his mouth or whatever.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 22:52 (two weeks ago) link

right but i mean i think the point isn't how you would yourself feel about them being attacked, but how you would feel if they were hurt about being attacked.

omar little, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 22:57 (two weeks ago) link

But attacked for what? What was Taylor Swift "attacked" for? She could feel sad or mad, but she came out the other end in an equal or greater position of power. I can't call that bullying.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 23:00 (two weeks ago) link

That's why this is all so silly. There are no victims here, just a bunch of rich people fighting. Was Jay Z bullying Nas?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 23:02 (two weeks ago) link

i think for a female pop star to have her image used in a way that she might find degrading by someone who is an equally famous and maybe even more famous male pop star *could* be called bullying.....

omar little, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 23:03 (two weeks ago) link

How has this turned into "did Kanye bully Tay in his video from... *checks wiki* 2016"? Asking JiC if he'd feel the same if x happened to his mother or daughter? Bonkers derail.

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 23:04 (two weeks ago) link

it is considerably different for women imo, no matter their level of fame

omar little, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 23:04 (two weeks ago) link

Probably. I can only imagine the pressure she feels on a daily basis. I'm saying, of all the bs she has to put up with, as a woman or otherwise, bs from Kanye West, who these days is most famous for bs, seems the easiest to ignore.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 23:09 (two weeks ago) link

I haven't followed this story, and I'd no idea who "Scooter" was, so I assumed "Scooter" Libby got involved with several pop stars so I was like, "Yay, Taylor!" when she blocked him.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 23:14 (two weeks ago) link

i think she's dealt with a fair amount of shit, like that groping DJ dude. I just think she really does not like dudes trying to have their way with her in any capacity, business or personal or image-wise and if anything i think it's commendable and if she wants to battle back on this kind of thing it's all good.

also as far as this Scooter Braun dude goes, other celebs he knows praising him for his total decency is something mutually exclusive from however he treated TS.

omar little, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 23:16 (two weeks ago) link

I get the same cognitive dissonance with his rather unfortunate name. Scooter for me is the Eurodance legend; Braun the less fortunate pornography director Lasse Braun. It's quite the combination.

xp

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 23:18 (two weeks ago) link

How has this turned into "did Kanye bully Tay in his video from... *checks wiki* 2016"?

Because she is saying that his acquiring of her masters is “my worst case scenario.” And he was newly managing Kanye at the time, and then taunted her with an Instagram post soon after. And that’s why him posting with

... (Eazy), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 23:29 (two weeks ago) link

...Karlie Kloss last weekend (dismisses upthread) feels like a continuation of this bullying.

... (Eazy), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 23:30 (two weeks ago) link

But attacked for what? What was Taylor Swift "attacked" for?

I think an unconsented deepfake of someone naked, who has never consented to being naked in public, is different than some childish diss. Watch the video and see how she and Amber Rose are short versus any of the others.

... (Eazy), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 23:36 (two weeks ago) link

*are shot (sorry for all these typos lately)

... (Eazy), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 23:37 (two weeks ago) link

If Tom Waits could sue for a Taco Bell sound alike, why couldn't she sue for a naked Taylor look alike?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 July 2019 23:48 (two weeks ago) link

Ugh, the final paragraph in that piece.... #triggered

stan by me (morrisp), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 23:53 (two weeks ago) link

The entire Famous thing was misogynistic as fuck. from Kanye making that phone call and relying on Taylor’s goodwill. And to have his wife taping the call so they could publicly shame TS was gross as fuck. And people taking Kanye’s side—fuck them forever. If she’s mad at a guy who participated in that—good on her.

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 01:50 (two weeks ago) link

prince signed with warner when he was 18 (in 1977) and the dust up over his masters really began in 1993, 16 years later
taylor signed with big machine when she was 15-16 (in 2005) and this dust up happened 14 years after that
so...

maura, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 02:55 (two weeks ago) link

anyway j0rd otm about how this shines a spotlight on the way younger artists who aren’t white dudes get exploited by the biz

maura, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 02:55 (two weeks ago) link

I don’t think even young white dudes necessarily get a break(?) Prince and Taylor just got huge enough to make a stink.

stan by me (morrisp), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 03:29 (two weeks ago) link

(I’m just speaking of the “ownership of masters” contract terms, of course; not the other creepy stuff that Taylor’s also had to deal with)

stan by me (morrisp), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 03:34 (two weeks ago) link

Prince started his public feud with WB in 1993...a year after signing a $100 million dollar contract with them. And of course before that, even as a young dude, he had afaict total creative control. In 1996 WB let Prince go. 15 years or so after that, he signed to WB again. I was never entirely sure what Prince's problem with WB was, exactly, but then, Prince may not be your typical story.

Did/does Madonna own her masters? Springsteen? I think U2 might own their masters. I seem to recall reading that they negotiated a much lower royalty rate in return for owning the rights. Metallica owns its masters. It probably boils down to good management and smart negotiating skills.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 11:25 (two weeks ago) link

Oh, and speaking of that Kanye video, apparently that "boundary pushing" new HBO show features (for some reason) an animated love scene between Harry Styles and another member of One Direction.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 11:32 (two weeks ago) link

Springsteen got his masters back under the copyright reversion act, and then relicensed them to Columbia. He had a good relationship with them though.

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 14:19 (two weeks ago) link

There might be more to the Springsteen thing. I can say the remasters are copywrited to him. This article covers difficulty faced by smaller artists trying to get their masters back.

https://www.billboard.com/articles/business/7981597/album-copyrights-master-recordings-1976-law

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 14:26 (two weeks ago) link

Interesting article. I work in IP, and music rights are so murky to me; they’re like a dark art. I’d like to sit down with one of the music folks and hash through it all, for my own understanding.

stan by me (morrisp), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 14:37 (two weeks ago) link

You want murky, you should look into music business accounting.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 15:51 (two weeks ago) link

it is considerably different for women imo, no matter their level of fame

― omar little, Tuesday, July 2, 2019 7:04 PM bookmarkflaglink

No, no, no, no, no, not love she said / Don't you know that it's different for girls? / no matter the fame

Hakim Bae's TMZ (s.clover), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 18:23 (two weeks ago) link

Call me a misogynist all you want (I'm not), but saying that one of the most famous and rich female musicians in the world is "playing the victim to sell more records" is just reality.

Do you know what's fucking more infuriating? Her using my identity to sell records. People get killed for being queer in the country, and her equating her being bullied with that is infuriating and insane.

Her music sucks, she sucks, end of fucking story.

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 20:23 (two weeks ago) link

Prepping the grill

— Scooter Braun (@scooterbraun) July 4, 2019

stan by me (morrisp), Thursday, 4 July 2019 03:51 (two weeks ago) link

She should pull a Fogerty and just refuse to play any of those Big Machine songs.

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, July 2, 2019 10:35 AM (one week ago)

I feel like this story sort of died out, but Fogerty actually had a lot to say about it (in relation to his own struggles over publishing rights): https://variety.com/2019/music/news/john-fogerty-interview-taylor-swift-1203261584/

stan by me (morrisp), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 21:29 (one week ago) link

Thanks for posting that, pretty interesting take!

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 22:25 (one week ago) link

@taylorswift13 just a thought, U should go in & re-record all the songs that U don’t own the masters on exactly how U did them but put brand new art & some kind of incentive so fans will no longer buy the old versions. I’d buy all of the new versions just to prove a point 💁🏼‍♀️

— Kelly Clarkson (@kellyclarkson) July 13, 2019

groovypanda, Sunday, 14 July 2019 10:40 (one week ago) link

Prince was gonna do that with his WB stuff.

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 14 July 2019 15:51 (one week ago) link

the def leppard move, iirc

omar little, Sunday, 14 July 2019 15:52 (one week ago) link

She just rehires Max Martin and everyone else who played/worked on this albums — easy peasy, cheapy maleepy?

stan by me (morrisp), Sunday, 14 July 2019 15:59 (one week ago) link

every hard rock band did it first

maura, Monday, 15 July 2019 01:30 (one week ago) link

squeeze did it too

maura, Monday, 15 July 2019 01:30 (one week ago) link

Country did it first

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 15 July 2019 01:37 (one week ago) link

Jeff Lynne did it. Camper Van Beethoven did it.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 15 July 2019 02:05 (one week ago) link

Most those artists just had to get in a studio with their instruments and bash it out.

stan by me (morrisp), Monday, 15 July 2019 02:31 (one week ago) link

(I mean good luck to Taylor if she actually tried this, but it sounds hella frustrating and futile, I doubt she cares that much.)

stan by me (morrisp), Monday, 15 July 2019 02:31 (one week ago) link

should really do it live to address all points and sell the tour as "the last time I'll ever play these songs" then release the netflix special for the summer and the album in the winter and say this is all sounding very familiar when i say it out loud

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 15 July 2019 04:22 (one week ago) link


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