scrolling through that list took an eternity.
we are truly in the worst timeline.
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 22:57 (four years ago) link
This happened in 2008, how far back are you looking to retcon?
― Consider the coconut (morrisp), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 23:02 (four years ago) link
Oh word, you are right
― space invaders are smokin penises!!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 23:03 (four years ago) link
Look at it. Look at this. Reissues of reissues and barrel scrapings by faded artists of years past.
― Siegbran, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 23:12 (four years ago) link
I wonder if Young's people didn't acquire/rip copies of the Geffen recordings for the Archives at some point before the fire (possibly when assembling Lucky 13 back in the early '90s)?
― frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 23:34 (four years ago) link
Surprised Randy Newman isn't on the list for Bad Love at least, given his Dreamworks contemporaries (Wainwright and Furtado) showing up here.
― ... (Eazy), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 23:42 (four years ago) link
Bad Love Burned (But He Don't Know It)
― frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 23:45 (four years ago) link
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― Bee OK, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 23:49 (four years ago) link
NEVER HEARD OF uh wait
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 23:50 (four years ago) link
Joe Jackson and The Four Tops. :'(
― Dee the (Summer-Hating) Lurker (deethelurker), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 01:59 (four years ago) link
Ashlee SimpsonThe Simpsons
― Consider the coconut (morrisp), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 02:00 (four years ago) link
That's weird about Joe Jackson, because Intervention Records has been doing vinyl reissues of his A&M stuff "From The Original Tapes".
― frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 02:57 (four years ago) link
You know, the original cassette versions.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 03:15 (four years ago) link
The “caveats” before the list mean it’s basically pointless, and that the headline is straight-up false.
― Consider the coconut (morrisp), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 03:17 (four years ago) link
Complaints complaints
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 03:20 (four years ago) link
Harold Faltermeyer!
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 03:22 (four years ago) link
F’in NY Times, I swear
― Consider the coconut (morrisp), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 03:28 (four years ago) link
it's a large but incomplete list of artists who had material that umg believed with "reasonable certainty" had been "destroyed." that seems worth publishing.
― fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 03:45 (four years ago) link
I disagree, especially under that headline. With those caveats, it’s a worthless list.
― Consider the coconut (morrisp), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 04:10 (four years ago) link
Then one day morrisp is buried under all the tape ashes, dim cries of 'fake news' are heard from its depths.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 04:22 (four years ago) link
Fake news, right. Try me...My point here is — if I jump right to the list (which is what most readers will probably do, skipping or merely skimming the article) and see my favorite artist, “The Simpsons,” all I know is that in 2009-10, UMG believed that some of that artist’s masters may have been lost in the fire — despite the label’s “insoluble discographical puzzle,” and the fact they were wrong about Neil Young, etc. I haven’t actually learned anything of value, and the definitive-looking monolith of names implies certainty and gravity that the article takes pains to undercut as a prelude (probably b/c they know exactly how the list will come off). None of this is to let UMG off the hook; but printing that list, especially under that headline, is stupid and bad.
― Consider the coconut (morrisp), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 04:36 (four years ago) link
“If I don’t read the article I may draw the wrong conclusions from it, therefore they should not have published it.”
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 04:38 (four years ago) link
I read the article. R.E.M. is on the list — does that mean they lost only the master tape of “Voice of Harold,” or their entire IRS discography? Or nothing at all? We won’t know until it’s investigated further. So what have I learned?
― Consider the coconut (morrisp), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 04:39 (four years ago) link
Melissa Manchester :(
― Creames Fartpoop, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 04:43 (four years ago) link
The problem in many ways is simply that a negative can't be proved. A slew of items were lost, a large amount, with no accounting of exactly what it all was. Assume though that UMG somehow accounts for everything else it has access to elsewhere (doubtful obv but this what they claim to be doing right now). Theoretically you could then claim that whatever else is missing based on what label holdings they had equals what is actually gone.
For all my cracks, morrisp ain't wrong on the one hand, but spelling out the implications -- via a monolith, if you like -- has a role. And if UMG was already sorting, prioritizing and assuming, that itself is a sign.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 04:44 (four years ago) link
And if UMG was already sorting, prioritizing and assuming, that itself is a sign.
and if umg also spends 11 years covering up what happened, not even telling many of its own artists, then someone has to do the work of sifting through those ashes. if not for the nytimes' reporting, there'd be no lawsuit, there'd be no public awareness, and a lot of artists would still have no idea where there masters were.
― fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 04:50 (four years ago) link
*their* masters, d'oh
― fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 04:51 (four years ago) link
does that mean they lost only the master tape of “Voice of Harold,” or their entire IRS discography? Or nothing at all? We won’t know until it’s investigated further. So what have I learned?
you -- and quite possibly rem -- have learned that *something* has been lost. there'd probably be no way to get to the next step, the step of itemizing that loss, without going through this step, the step of acknowledging the loss, first.
― fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 04:53 (four years ago) link
We won’t know until it’s investigated further. So what have I learned?good point, we should wait until UMG release the results of the investigation. shame on Rosen for rushing to print so soon after the disaster.
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 05:10 (four years ago) link
you -- and quite possibly rem -- have learned that *something* has been lost. there'd probably be no way to get to the next step, the step of itemizing that loss, without going through this step, the step of acknowledging the loss, first.― fact checking cuz, Wednesday, June 26, 2019 12:53 AM (eighteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― fact checking cuz, Wednesday, June 26, 2019 12:53 AM (eighteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
If every artist on that list lost exactly one non-essential song ... it would still be a huge loss!
― space invaders are smokin penises!!!! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 05:15 (four years ago) link
we should wait until UMG release the results of the investigation. shame on Rosen for rushing to print so soon after the disaster.Snark noted — but you have it backward, IMO. It’s been 9 years since that list was put together; we know it’s inaccurate in at least certain respects, and UMG is now undertaking a new inventory and also getting sued by a bunch of artists, which will result in discovery etc. Why publish this particular list now (especially under that heavily misleading headline)... why not, yes, continue to report on the lawsuit(s) / investigations and what is actually confirmed about lost tapes, rather than fuel speculation.
― Consider the coconut (morrisp), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 05:23 (four years ago) link
Btw I take fcc’s point that this info may spur certain artists or estates, who were previously on the fence about pursuing any claim against UMG (due to costs etc.), into taking the plunge and doing so (by seeing the name on this old list).
― Consider the coconut (morrisp), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 05:25 (four years ago) link
(I also have no problem with the chunks of names included in the text of the article itself, in the context of “artists with losses may include and be as diverse as...” — but something about the implied authority of the solemn, alphabetical list printed in its entirely, especially under that headline, really bugs.)
― Consider the coconut (morrisp), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 05:33 (four years ago) link
the reason i posted this list is two fold. first i assumed most on ILM have been following this story and have read said article. second, NYT only gives like three complimentary articles per month and i always get block out of that site for reaching their limit. i was happy i didn't go over my limit this month and reposted the list for reference, without having to go back to that article time and time again.
sorry morrisp for upsetting you.
― Bee OK, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 05:57 (four years ago) link
Snark noted — but you have it backward, IMO. It’s been 9 years since that list was put together; we know it’s inaccurate in at least certain respects
We don't know anything of the sort, unless we're making assumptions about it that are contradicted by the article that contains it
(I have no idea what the headline is, and likely didn't read it, but/as it's highly unlikely that Rosen wrote it)
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 07:49 (four years ago) link
The Hollywood Flames
― mark e, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 09:07 (four years ago) link
http://www.impawards.com/2007/posters/things_we_lost_in_the_fire.jpg
― Siegbran, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 09:33 (four years ago) link
L: Jane Petty R: Jody Rosen
― Siegbran, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 09:41 (four years ago) link
Cheech & Chong
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4a/Up_in_Smoke_%28soundtrack%29.jpg
(Released by Warner Bros. Records, so one of the not-lost ones fyi)
― Vernon Locke, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 12:32 (four years ago) link
But this one was on MCA...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_Survivors#/media/File:StreetSurvivorsFlames.jpg
― Vernon Locke, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 12:33 (four years ago) link
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bf/StreetSurvivorsFlames.jpg
― Vernon Locke, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 12:34 (four years ago) link
Fwiw the headline is "Here Are Hundreds More Artists Whose Tapes Were Destroyed in the UMG Fire"
The list is preceded with "What can be said with certainty is that these are artists whose material UMG believed had been lost in the fire and whose recordings the company spent tens of millions of dollars trying to replace."
Seems fine imo
― One Eye Open, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 12:48 (four years ago) link
(the article, not the fire. fire bad, imho)
― One Eye Open, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 12:49 (four years ago) link
sorry morrisp for upsetting you.You didn’t! I already saw the list in the article, lol... it was useful to have it here for discussion We don't know anything of the sort, unless we're making assumptions about it that are contradicted by the article that contains itYes — Neil Young; the other caveats about the list in the article itself. Universal also claims to have found certain tapes in the intervening 9 years (maybe that’s BS)Fwiw the headline is "Here Are Hundreds More Artists Whose Tapes Were Destroyed in the UMG Fire"Exactly — not “Believed” Destroyed, just “Destroyed”. The lack of that (necessary) qualifier makes it indefensibly inaccurate (you don’t agree?), and the headline + list printed in its entirety feel like a clickbait exercise meant to generate “oh, no” reactions even though knowledge of actual losses remains thin.
― Consider the coconut (morrisp), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 14:32 (four years ago) link
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― Ambient Police (sleeve), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 14:34 (four years ago) link
Ah but there's an update
In memo, UMG archivist says the company has assembled a team of "70 professionals...responsible for timely and open responses to artists about the status of musical assets under our care, as well as the extent to which certain assets were lost." https://t.co/S6Ybv5crm5— Jody Rosen (@jodyrosen) June 26, 2019
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 20:17 (four years ago) link
Full story here:
https://variety.com/2019/biz/news/universal-musics-chief-archivist-explains-companys-post-fire-artist-outreach-plan-exclusive-1203253708/
How the prospect of lawsuits concentrates the mind wonderfully.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 20:19 (four years ago) link
speaking of odd headlines:
"Universal Music’s Chief Archivist Explains Company’s Post-Fire Artist Outreach Plan" would be more accurately rendered as "Universal Music’s Chief Archivist Explains Company’s Post-Article-About-Fire Artist Outreach Plan"
― fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 21:04 (four years ago) link
Ever so minor details!
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 21:07 (four years ago) link