The Day the Music Burned

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I couldn’t find another good thread to post this on. This article about the 2008 destruction of UMG’s vault of original master recordings was shocking, especially how well the company was able to cover it up:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/11/magazine/universal-fire-master-recordings.html

o. nate, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 13:32 (one week ago) Permalink

Yeah, it's a grim read. How on earth can companies be persuaded to start taking this stuff much more seriously?

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 13:34 (one week ago) Permalink

They can't.

Simon H., Tuesday, 11 June 2019 13:38 (one week ago) Permalink

Buy more deluxe reissues!

Thanks for posting this

maffew12, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 13:41 (one week ago) Permalink

Yet the news has never reached the broader public. In part, this represents a triumph of crisis management. In the days following the fire, officials at UMG’s global headquarters in Santa Monica, Calif., and in New York scrambled to spin and contain press coverage.

That's how you put all those undelivered artist royalties to work.

bendy, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 14:51 (one week ago) Permalink

related article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/11/us/master-recordings-universal-fire.html

"Decades ago, employees of CBS Records reportedly took power saws to multitrack masters to sell the reels as scrap metal."

:O

Ambient Police (sleeve), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 14:53 (one week ago) Permalink

Damn. That was fascinating but hard to read. And as for their so-called "Project Phoenix":

UMG began Project Phoenix in October 2008. The plan was to gather duplicates of recordings whose masters were lost. ... The project lasted two years and, by Aronson’s
estimate, recovered perhaps a fifth of what had been lost .... Copies were placed in storage holds on both coasts: at an underground vault in Boyers, Pa., and a high-rise facility in Hollywood. Both vaults are run by Iron Mountain, the global information-management and storage giant.

...well, I hope they read up on the company first: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Mountain_%28company%29#Data_losses

(we, ah - just don't mention that name in front of my old boss) (not in a music-related job)

a passing spacecadet, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 15:10 (one week ago) Permalink

one last note, for music journalists who follow me: there's no indication that artists and estates were told about any of this. some definitely knew; others may be finding out about it this week. in other words: there are a LOT of musicians to be asked what they think.

— Nitsuh Abebe (@ntabebe) June 11, 2019

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 17:00 (one week ago) Permalink

it's quoted in the piece, but much of this is an expansion upon this talk from the 2014 EMP Conference

http://www.andyzax.com/goodbye

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 17:49 (one week ago) Permalink

I mean you can drop the needle just about anywhere in this piece and hit some heartbreaking information but this fucking killed me:

Most of John Coltrane’s Impulse masters were lost, as were masters for treasured Impulse releases by Ellington, Count Basie, Coleman Hawkins, Dizzy Gillespie, Max Roach, Art Blakey, Sonny Rollins, Charles Mingus, Ornette Coleman, Alice Coltrane, Sun Ra, Albert Ayler, Pharoah Sanders and other jazz greats

chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 18:38 (one week ago) Permalink

I was wondering about the Sun Ra tapes, though. I believe Sun Ra's masters have always resided with Sun Ra's estate -- the Lost Reel Collection series, among other releases, suggests as much. With the exception of Space Is The Place, his ABC/Impulse recordings were reissues of Saturn material. That is, there's a chance that the now-destroyed Impulse tapes for Astro Black and Pathways To Unknown Worlds could have been copies of the Saturn masters.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 19:01 (one week ago) Permalink

I have Sugar Pie DeSanto singles comp on Kent where in the liner notes it's mentioned in passing that all of her unreleased Chess masters had been destroyed in that fire. The one outtake included came from an acetate that iirc came from a private collection.

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 19:42 (one week ago) Permalink

You can’t really force people to take better care of their stuff, I’m sure that the fate of millions of manuscripts and mountains of architects drawings isn’t much better.

Siegbran, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 19:46 (one week ago) Permalink

I was just reading last night, in a book about Marvel Comics, about how most original artwork from 1960s comics was destroyed after publication (in the context of a rare/surviving original Ditko cover illustration).

Theodor Adorno, perhaps the greatest philosopher alive today (morrisp), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 19:52 (one week ago) Permalink

it's quoted in the piece, but much of this is an expansion upon this talk from the 2014 EMP Conference

Those of us there in the room will remember the literal vocal agony we all went through when hearing about this. The full details of the fire's toll weren't talked about by Andy as much as in Jody's piece but yeah...that was not a good twenty minutes (and given all the other stories Andy was telling, that was just a part of it). There was definitely a sense of 'can this information leave the room?' about the whole thing, so reading in Jody's piece about how it was talked about, just in a way that wasn't getting any kind of real shine anywhere, was sadly illuminating.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 20:07 (one week ago) Permalink

just finished reading this piece. gutted.

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 20:22 (one week ago) Permalink

Postscript to @jodyrosen's article: Charles Wright made A Lil' Encouragement in '75. ABC Records cancelled its release after making a few 8-track cartridges. The album masters burned in the Universal fire; this tape--the only known copy--is now the sole evidence of its existence. pic.twitter.com/9qqJfM26vw

— Andy Zax (@andyzax) June 11, 2019

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 21:01 (one week ago) Permalink

The lawyers will be gearing up

REMHQ is receiving inquiries from many people concerned about the New York Times article on the Universal Music fire 11 years ago. We are trying to get good information to find out what happened and the effect on the band’s music, if any. We will detail further as and when.

— R.E.M. HQ (@remhq) June 11, 2019

For over a decade, @Holerock didn't know a warehouse fire destroyed their master recordings https://t.co/mZrDI1jFvU

— Pitchfork (@pitchfork) June 11, 2019

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 21:06 (one week ago) Permalink

fuuuuuck

Ambient Police (sleeve), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 21:10 (one week ago) Permalink

This might explain why nobody can find the original Asia album masters. Very sad, and UMG have kept it quiet for more than 10 years. https://t.co/eWMaEcoBRC

— Geoffrey Downes (@asiageoff) June 11, 2019

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 21:11 (one week ago) Permalink

Holy shit!

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 21:17 (one week ago) Permalink

There's a third-party version of this story going around social media claiming in the headline that Eagles masters where among those destroyed.

So there's that...

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 21:19 (one week ago) Permalink

The story leaves it unclear. Azoff was shown tapes but were they the tapes, etc.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 21:22 (one week ago) Permalink

I'll bet Elton John'll have something to say about his masters getting torched.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 21:25 (one week ago) Permalink

XP I think what they meant were Henley's solo albums.

And I guess Frey's too?

Eagles tapes should be w/Warner Music.

Apparently what Azoff took were Steely Dan tapes.

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 21:28 (one week ago) Permalink

Fun Fact: Azoff was the head of MCA Records in the mid-'80s.

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 21:31 (one week ago) Permalink

UMG's lawyers are having a fine day, I'm sure. This was a really rough read, but gripping. Scary to realize how fast this stuff can disappear.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 21:33 (one week ago) Permalink

It is sad to read this. The decline of the SACD format aside, this is another reason we won’t ever get more high-definition reissues of Coltrane’s Impulse albums than we already have.

Melomane, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 21:37 (one week ago) Permalink

Most countries in Europe, I imagine, would’ve already declared these recordings historic and placed them under preservation laws funded by the government. Would America do the same?

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 21:44 (one week ago) Permalink

the Eagles are mentioned in the apocalyptically large and awful list of artists mentioned from the article

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 21:53 (one week ago) Permalink

mong the incinerated Decca masters were recordings by titanic figures in American music: Louis Armstrong, Duke Ellington, Al Jolson, Bing Crosby, Ella Fitzgerald, Judy Garland. The tape masters for Billie Holiday’s Decca catalog were most likely lost in total. The Decca masters also included recordings by such greats as Louis Jordan and His Tympany Five and Patsy Cline.

The fire most likely claimed most of Chuck Berry’s Chess masters and multitrack masters, a body of work that constitutes Berry’s greatest recordings. The destroyed Chess masters encompassed nearly everything else recorded for the label and its subsidiaries, including most of the Chess output of Muddy Waters, Howlin’ Wolf, Willie Dixon, Bo Diddley, Etta James, John Lee Hooker, Buddy Guy and Little Walter. Also very likely lost were master tapes of the first commercially released material by Aretha Franklin, recorded when she was a young teenager performing in the church services of her father, the Rev. C.L. Franklin, who made dozens of albums for Chess and its sublabels.

Virtually all of Buddy Holly’s masters were lost in the fire. Most of John Coltrane’s Impulse masters were lost, as were masters for treasured Impulse releases by Ellington, Count Basie, Coleman Hawkins, Dizzy Gillespie, Max Roach, Art Blakey, Sonny Rollins, Charles Mingus, Ornette Coleman, Alice Coltrane, Sun Ra, Albert Ayler, Pharoah Sanders and other jazz greats.

...

The list of destroyed single and album masters takes in titles by dozens of legendary artists, a genre-spanning who’s who of 20th- and 21st-century popular music. It includes recordings by Benny Goodman, Cab Calloway, the Andrews Sisters, the Ink Spots, the Mills Brothers, Lionel Hampton, Ray Charles, Sister Rosetta Tharpe, Clara Ward, Sammy Davis Jr., Les Paul, Fats Domino, Big Mama Thornton, Burl Ives, the Weavers, Kitty Wells, Ernest Tubb, Lefty Frizzell, Loretta Lynn, George Jones, Merle Haggard, Bobby (Blue) Bland, B.B. King, Ike Turner, the Four Tops, Quincy Jones, Burt Bacharach, Joan Baez, Neil Diamond, Sonny and Cher, the Mamas and the Papas, Joni Mitchell, Captain Beefheart, Cat Stevens, the Carpenters, Gladys Knight and the Pips, Al Green, the Flying Burrito Brothers, Elton John, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Eric Clapton, Jimmy Buffett, the Eagles, Don Henley, Aerosmith, Steely Dan, Iggy Pop, Rufus and Chaka Khan, Barry White, Patti LaBelle, Yoko Ono, Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, the Police, Sting, George Strait, Steve Earle, R.E.M., Janet Jackson, Eric B. and Rakim, New Edition, Bobby Brown, Guns N’ Roses, Queen Latifah, Mary J. Blige, Sonic Youth, No Doubt, Nine Inch Nails, Snoop Dogg, Nirvana, Soundgarden, Hole, Beck, Sheryl Crow, Tupac Shakur, Eminem, 50 Cent and the Roots.

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 21:53 (one week ago) Permalink

(the comments are also full of "why didn't they digitize them?" which is an especially bleak chaser, considering 50 million digital songs were reported lost in a separate incident just two months ago)

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 21:56 (one week ago) Permalink

That's weird. The Eagles' catalogue is with Warner Music, who weren't using that wearhouse.

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 22:01 (one week ago) Permalink

holy shit, this is horrifying

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 22:01 (one week ago) Permalink

The REM tweet and Hole comment sort of confirm what I was thinking while I was reading that I bet most of these artist have no clue this happened

chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 22:03 (one week ago) Permalink

Yes, and Geoff Downes trying to locate the masters for his own album, completely unaware that they may have went up in smoke. Clearly, nobody told him that it might have even been a possibility.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 22:06 (one week ago) Permalink

Unsurprisingly, there seems to be very real tears shed over this over at the Hoffman boards. An effect of this, of course, is that a lot of recordings issued post-2008 on reissue labels for audiophiles may not have come from first generation masters, which is very embarrassing for those labels.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 22:14 (one week ago) Permalink

Most countries in Europe, I imagine, would’ve already declared these recordings historic and placed them under preservation laws funded by the government. Would America do the same?

― Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, June 11, 2019 10:44 PM (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

From my research into early recordings for centuries of sound, easily the best archive of acoustic era recordings is that of UCSB, in terms of scope of collection, preservation quality and ease of access for the public, there is nothing even approaching it anywhere in Europe. I love the British Library, but they have nothing to compare. UCSB is what, 100 miles from the Universal Studios lot? So I think this is less to do with the lack of a national culture of preservation, and more to do with these assholes at UMG.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 22:15 (one week ago) Permalink

This Twitter thread is interesting:

Looking back, the massive loss of music master tapes at Universal seems like a secret hiding in plain sight. The label's reissue division slowed considerably in the past decade, releasing very few of the deluxe and expanded editions they offered during the 2000s.

— Stephen Thomas Erlewine (@sterlewine) June 11, 2019

What it made me think about is that the recent cheapo catalog boxes, 5 CDs for $20, which started rolling out in roughly 2010-2011, all came from the other two majors, Sony ("Original Albums Series") and WMG ("Original Album Classics") - Universal never had their own line like those, and maybe this was why.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 22:35 (one week ago) Permalink

An effect of this, of course, is that a lot of recordings issued post-2008 on reissue labels for audiophiles may not have come from first generation masters, which is very embarrassing for those labels.

I was wondering about this. Sundazed, for instance, has done a ton of UMG reissues on vinyl and CD in last several years that were pitched as coming from original tapes and such.

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 22:36 (one week ago) Permalink

XP UMG did a number of those boxes, usually branded "# of Great Albums" (the number usually being 3-5), but they weren't as widely marketed, and some of them were poorly put together (like, say, three KISS or Skynyrd albums paired w/Greatest Hits covering the same period).

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 22:40 (one week ago) Permalink

xp yeah and at least the mono Safe As Milk was a total hack job/scam:

http://www.zappateers.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=30559

Ambient Police (sleeve), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 22:43 (one week ago) Permalink

XP Those UMG boxes were also pretty much exclusively Rock and R&B albums that had been remastered prior to the fire.

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 22:44 (one week ago) Permalink

the fire actually explains a lot about why that particular reissue (Safe As Milk) was so badly botched, they had nothing to work with

Ambient Police (sleeve), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 22:44 (one week ago) Permalink

Yeah I'm not sure that the situation is much better in Europe. First there's WW2 where most efforts were made to save old works, and also after that you read story after story of wiped and reused tapes, water damage (like the recent Bob Marley finds), etc.

Siegbran, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 22:54 (one week ago) Permalink

This is like the saddest thing I have ever read

Bee OK, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 23:03 (one week ago) Permalink

I brought this up over on a Sonic Youth thread not too long ago, but I had looked into the library of UMG Deluxe Editions, which did slow down to a halt Stateside in the early '10s. The line kept going for a few more healthy years in the UK, but with almost exclusively UK artists (Thin Lizzy, Sandy Denny, Uriah Heap etc.) whose tapes presumably weren't stateside.

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 23:03 (one week ago) Permalink

Chronological Discogs List of UMG Deluxe Editions

Most of the last several pages are European Artists/Editions.

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 23:18 (one week ago) Permalink

That’s five of my albums up in smoke

— Maria Mckee (@realmariamckee) June 12, 2019

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 00:23 (one week ago) Permalink

Yeah reading between the lines of the article it seems pretty clear that UMG had a ‘don’t ask don’t tell’ policy with regard to artists and their tapes - some seem to know, but seems like UMG wasn’t proactively informing artists who were affected. Like all coverups, now it seems like the blowback from having kept it secret all these years will be worse than if they had just come clean in the first place.

One Eye Open, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 00:47 (one week ago) Permalink

I’d been keeping up with that thread, more-or-less, and Hoffman only chimed in to say, “Should we keep the thread going or not?” It seemed like there were potential legal issues for Steve in keeping it going (or so Steve thought). In the years after the fire and before the Times piece, threads about what might’ve been lost in the fire were routinely deleted.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 23:43 (five days ago) Permalink

Really? Insane. I'm surprised the users didn't start a new board over that.

maffew12, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 23:48 (five days ago) Permalink

Thread is still there in the ‘Off Topic’ section at time of posting.

michaellambert, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 23:48 (five days ago) Permalink

Of course it may now be a back-up copy rather than the original master.

michaellambert, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 23:49 (five days ago) Permalink

lmao

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 23:52 (five days ago) Permalink

original timestamps lost forever

maffew12, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 23:59 (five days ago) Permalink

At least UMG is up 2 something kewl:
https://youtube.googleblog.com/2019/06/youtube-music-and-universal-music-group.html

Consider the coconut (morrisp), Friday, 21 June 2019 04:08 (three days ago) Permalink

xpost -- gotta be the latter.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 21 June 2019 04:17 (three days ago) Permalink

(Just seeing if you’re paying attention with that last one)

Consider the coconut (morrisp), Friday, 21 June 2019 04:29 (three days ago) Permalink

Chucky, firestarter.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 21 June 2019 04:41 (three days ago) Permalink

seems like UMG is basically legally backed into a corner here where they have to deny deny deny now; even a well-meaning and more circumspect upper management can't realistically take steps to retroactively address this. In a saner world, this is where the government would step in and have library of congress or smithsonian start a taxpayer backed archiving process but i'm not holding my breath.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 21 June 2019 16:46 (three days ago) Permalink

it appears that thread just got moved to Off Topic and not deleted on SHF for whatever weird reason.

akm, Friday, 21 June 2019 21:54 (three days ago) Permalink

Could somebody link that Hoffman thread? I don't know their site that well, particularly when it comes to them hiding/burying stuff.

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 21 June 2019 22:12 (three days ago) Permalink

https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/the-day-the-music-burned-article.849828/

you have to be logged in to see the other forums.

akm, Friday, 21 June 2019 22:35 (three days ago) Permalink

In a saner world, this is where the government would step in and have library of congress or smithsonian start a taxpayer backed archiving process but i'm not holding my breath.

Ppl keep saying this, but I still don’t get what is being suggested... The gummint’ can’t force UMG to hand over their tapes.

Consider the coconut (morrisp), Friday, 21 June 2019 22:54 (three days ago) Permalink

(yes, they can, and they should)

Ambient Police (sleeve), Friday, 21 June 2019 23:45 (three days ago) Permalink

Good luck extending eminent domain to recordings; I’ll be watching the cases with interest.

Consider the coconut (morrisp), Friday, 21 June 2019 23:47 (three days ago) Permalink

it won't happen, but stop being so obtuse. of course the govt can seize private property.

Ambient Police (sleeve), Friday, 21 June 2019 23:49 (three days ago) Permalink

I don’t think I’m the one being obtuse here, lol

Consider the coconut (morrisp), Friday, 21 June 2019 23:58 (three days ago) Permalink

My suggestion is that the government bails these guys out and BUYS the masters at an obscene premium (with 50-70% to be divvied among artists) but with limited reproduction rights. Effectively a national archive.

i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 22 June 2019 00:04 (two days ago) Permalink

Cheap at a billion and better use than another stealth bomber but certainly not a priority for this administration.

i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 22 June 2019 00:05 (two days ago) Permalink

xxp

fair enough, I just think there's plenty of existing precedent for this kinda thing as forks notes, but that assumes willing parties on all sides which is not exactly the case here from what I see

and on the legal side I guess this is more related to forfeiture, ianal

or yeah, what forks just said as well

Ambient Police (sleeve), Saturday, 22 June 2019 00:05 (two days ago) Permalink

yay!

Ambient Police (sleeve), Saturday, 22 June 2019 01:14 (two days ago) Permalink

(?)

Ambient Police (sleeve), Saturday, 22 June 2019 01:14 (two days ago) Permalink

Oh it's a definite yay, believe me.

BREAKING: Class action complaint against Universal Music Group filed in U.S. District Court in L.A., in response to 2008 fire that destroyed master recordings. Plaintiffs: Tupac Shakur’s Trustee, Hole, Soundgarden, Steve Earle, Jane Petty (Tom Petty’s ex-wife). pic.twitter.com/5zrNSunFYs

— Jody Rosen (@jodyrosen) June 22, 2019

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 22 June 2019 01:15 (two days ago) Permalink

Interesting list of initial artists... makes me realize that those Hole and Soundgarden albums never have been reissued. (OTOH, the 2010 deluxe ed. of Petty’s Damn the Torpedoes was supposedly “Digitally remastered from the original analog master tapes”... of course that’s just one Petty album.)

Consider the coconut (morrisp), Saturday, 22 June 2019 01:51 (two days ago) Permalink

There's deluxe Soundgarden reissues of Badmotorfinger and Superunknown.

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 22 June 2019 02:48 (two days ago) Permalink

... although maybe not from the original tapes.

Re:Tom Petty--I wonder if this is why they stopped his reissues with Long After Dark?

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 22 June 2019 02:50 (two days ago) Permalink

xp Really (re: Soundgarden)? I had checked on Amazon before posting (maybe not very well?)

Consider the coconut (morrisp), Saturday, 22 June 2019 03:10 (two days ago) Permalink

Both appearing in the last five years.

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 22 June 2019 03:17 (two days ago) Permalink

Yep, found it now on Amazon. $249.99 (Prime eligible!)

Consider the coconut (morrisp), Saturday, 22 June 2019 03:21 (two days ago) Permalink

You think they may have an email trail of the band saying, “Why don’t we use the original masters?” and the label saying, “Uh, we’ll use a better-sounding tape...”

Consider the coconut (morrisp), Saturday, 22 June 2019 03:29 (two days ago) Permalink

XP There are less-deluxe editons out there as well. A Superunknown double-disc was among the last domestic releases in that line.

FWIW, I have the single-disc Damn The Torpedoes from 2010, and it sounds great!

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 22 June 2019 03:33 (two days ago) Permalink

So are the plaintiffs suing for damages or do they want to void their still-existing contracts or are they demanding a return of the masters or all the above? Or is it not clear as of yet?

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 22 June 2019 03:37 (two days ago) Permalink

i mean, i see the damages listed but i'm curious if they can argue for breach of contract? do record contracts promise to maintain viability of masters in any way?

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 22 June 2019 03:39 (two days ago) Permalink

i am a bit naive about this element of the industry so please be gentle

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 22 June 2019 03:39 (two days ago) Permalink

Since they did 5.1 mixes of those two Soundgarden albums, you would think UMG had access to multitracks.

OTOH, nothing's happened w/Louder Than Love and Down On The Upside (and Cornell's Euphoria Morning), so...

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 22 June 2019 03:40 (two days ago) Permalink

Some of the lawsuit might be about loss of revenue streams. Take Hole for example: Deluxe Editions were never done for Live Through This & Celebrity Skin, even though there probably was a market for them, and most likely lots of out-takes, B-Sides, live stuff, demos etc. that could have been bundled into reissues. If those materials were destroyed, there's no incentive to do reissue of albums one can find pretty easily used or in a bargain bin.

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 22 June 2019 03:46 (two days ago) Permalink

Since they did 5.1 mixes of those two Soundgarden albums, you would think UMG had access to multitracks.

Yeah, I was thinking/wondering that same thing. (I searched around a little and didn’t find anything explicitly saying/claiming that the original masters were used...)

Consider the coconut (morrisp), Saturday, 22 June 2019 03:52 (two days ago) Permalink

One more thing about Hole: The second disc of LTT already came out as a Europe-only release called My Body, The Hand Grenade in 1997. It's also the only official Hole comp ever released on physical media.

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 22 June 2019 03:58 (two days ago) Permalink

i mean, i see the damages listed but i'm curious if they can argue for breach of contract? do record contracts promise to maintain viability of masters in any way?

I’ve never seen a recording contract, but my guess (just a guess) is that they don’t say anything about how masters will be stored... or, at most, maybe some make a reference to something like “the customary standards of care in the recording industry.” (Total speculation here)

Consider the coconut (morrisp), Saturday, 22 June 2019 15:46 (two days ago) Permalink

Anecdotally I've socially known two very successful indieish recording artists who owned their own master tapes of at least one album. They both kept them in piles of household miscellany, and one left hers behind when she moved out of a shared apartment and happily was able to reclaim it years later from the ex-roommate who was still there and hadn't bothered to toss it out.

mick signals, Saturday, 22 June 2019 16:18 (two days ago) Permalink


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