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Just bought "Up on the Sun" on a whim, and it's utterly splendid. There are several other MP albums on the shelf in Tower, which ones are worth getting? I shall be investing in another one soon...

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 10:35 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

get 'II'. this thread reminds me to get up on the sun (also I'm sure there is a prev thread on them).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 10:37 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

what julio said, II is fabulous. i've never heard any other MP-stuff, except for a compilation (no strings attached) that contained some horrible material towards the end of the disc...

willem (willem), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 10:40 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

i got their 1st 7" when it was hot hot hot new new new & i loved that & their 1st "album" & II & "Up On The Sun" as well but everything after that kind of stunk & anyway i haven't listened to them for years. those records are still choice tho i bet.

doorag, Tuesday, 19 November 2002 10:50 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Search/Classic: Whichever album(s) have "Plateau" and "Lake of Fire." Worth it just for those songs. I'd remember the album name(s) and whether or not they're on the same album or not (I want to say they are, but that may be because Nirvana covers them both on Unplugged), but I'm on cold medication and it's all I can do to type this much with minimal interruptions of "meat puppets -- heheh, that would be funny," and then mentally assigning different kinds of meat to the various muppets.

Like Miss Piggy would have to be made of baloney, obviously. And Kermit wouldn't be meat at all, but rather those "sandwich stacker" pickles which are already sliced, neatly arranged and knitting-needled together into a more-or-less froggic shape.

So "Plateau" and "Lake of Fire," then.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 12:15 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

They're on Meat Puppets II which is essential.
The first one's excellent as well.

James Ball (James Ball), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 13:13 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

After listening to "Up on the Sun", anything else will be disappointing.

dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 13:24 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

'II' is one of my favourite albums ever. I never get tired of listening it. Make sure you get the new edition with bonus tracks because you get this song called 'What To Do' which is the classic slacker record ten years before slacker happened.

'Up On The Sun' is nearly as good. I like everything else by 'em I've heard, but nothing else competes with those two records. Classic, classic, and thrice classic.

Jason J, Tuesday, 19 November 2002 14:13 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Mirage is great. Huevos is pretty good too. Nothing beats II however.The only one of the 80s albums not worth getting is the 1st one really.

brad, Tuesday, 19 November 2002 15:31 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Classic. I've only got II and Up On The Sun personally, but everything I've heard after it at least is entertaingly in a frazzled boogie kind of way. Even two or three tracks on "Golden Lies" weren't bad.

Why does it always have to be Classic or Dud? Something in the middle there? With the Meat Puppets, aside from II, I'd really want to deem them Awright.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 16:33 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Why does it always have to be Classic or Dud?

Because ILM is jockist.

hstencil, Tuesday, 19 November 2002 16:40 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Why does it always have to be Classic or Dud?

The dusty archives of will tell you too much about a lot of us.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 16:45 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"Maiden's Milk" = maybe happiest song ever recorded

Pete Scholtes, Tuesday, 19 November 2002 17:47 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I've been listening to Up on the Sun waaaaay too much lately.

James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 03:48 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I think Huevos and Too High to Die are pretty good albums, not as good as II or Up On the Sun, but not that much worse either.

earlnash, Wednesday, 20 November 2002 04:02 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

four months pass...
I've got 'Too High to Die' and from what I remember of it it's boring.

Is II a lot better?

mei (mei), Monday, 24 March 2003 15:43 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

II is the best. "Lost" "Climbing" excellent. I talked to Curt Kirkwood a while ago, when that Eyes Adrift came out and he said that as far as he knows, II was the first record anyone made on MDMA, which would later be known as Ecstasy, for reasons still lost to me.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 24 March 2003 15:53 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I remember buying "Up On the Sun" years ago - I had no idea what it sounded like or what the Meat Puppets sounded like, it was just cheap and I had money to burn. Suffice to say, that it's one of my favourite albums - and, this is fairly important - every person I ever played it to eventually went out and bought a copy too! Alas, I've never really heard anything by the Meat Puppets that is anywhere near as good - II has some good things on it but it's not in the same league.

Dadaismus, Monday, 24 March 2003 15:58 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

There is a picture of Curt and Krist Novoselic and the other guy in their new band in Total Guitar this month if anyon'e interested. And a little write-up on them.

mei (mei), Monday, 24 March 2003 16:06 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

It's impossible to say anything bad about MeatPupII, UP on the Sun and maybe even Huevos, but let me put in a few extra cents her by saying that Forbidden Places has some really fine moments as well, but that Too High to Die was amazing as well...a very nice update of the band's sound to actually include Kirkwood's ability to uh, sing in tune. Also, I love Paul Leary's production on the album, which added the edge of nastiness back to the Pup's sound which Pete Anderson's production on Forbidden Places cleansed; it allowed the best mix of punk and ZZ Top that I've evah heard.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 24 March 2003 16:26 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The riff from "Open Wide" off of 'Forbidden Places' is pretty huge, and one of my favorite to play when I want to feel good about myself.

Bryan (Bryan), Monday, 24 March 2003 16:33 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Up On The Sun is probably the album that bridges the gap between what came before and what came after, and as such is probably most representative of their material.

In defense of their self titled album, I think it is a wonderful artifact for numerous reasons. It has that specific thin and dirty Spot-produced early SST sound which I find nostalgic. To my knowledge, it is one of the first and best infusions of psychedelia with American hardcore/punk. The singing is primitive yet pure, and the intuitive playing which holds the songs together is inspired. The changes in dynamics, texture, time, and color are often subtle yet always instantaneous and lend the songs a surprising cohesion despite their loose 'improvised' structures. The affect is simultaneously drug-addled and innocent. It is difficult not to anthropomorphize the record itself which seems so weirdly full of joy, fear, and humor.

Most people I know dismiss their 7" and first album as demented experimentation, but there is a resonance to these records should you choose to explore them a little deeper.

II is my favorite partly because of the songwriting, and more so because of the performances which create a lot of ambient space without adding a superfluous tone or note.

Live in Montana is amusing, but I also find it longwinded and at times, incredibly annoying. Whenever they cop the Grateful Dead or "get funky," I'm not sure how to react.

Ryan McKay (Ryan McKay), Monday, 24 March 2003 22:11 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

II, up on the sun: there is nothing else in the musical world like these. mirage: ok. out my way: nearly ok.

gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Thanks for reviving this thread! I just went and ripped my Pups CDs into my Nomad and am enjoying them all over again!

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 18:53 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Totaly CLASSIC. The only album i'v heared by them is a total classic and without surprize it's called "Meat Puppets II". "Plateau" is one of my all time favorite rock tracks.

rex jr., Wednesday, 26 March 2003 19:26 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

No doubt about it, people, Forbidden Places is totally underrated, and Too High to Die stacks up nicely against their earlier work...that guitarwork is amazing.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 19:41 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

I wz listening to 'up on the sun' late last night and several things struck me - how there aren't any riffs, its composed of all these guitar runs, all continuous and sunny (if minor chords are sad ones then are these major chords? I don't know...). The singing is very different to that on 'II', he sounds more drunk instead of nervous. I think there are also some treated guitar effects that appear, albeit briefly, on some of the tracks and the lyrics are pretty great too...can't remember the words jumping out of the CD booklet since 'trout mask replica', all those years ago.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 2 October 2004 10:56 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

There hasn't been mention of the album Monsters yet and while it's no MPII it has some great songs, 'Light' and 'Like Being Alive' fr'instance, the overall tone is a little like a Grateful Dead/ZZ Top hybrid for better or worse.

mzui, Saturday, 2 October 2004 12:22 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

six months pass...
up on the sun...such a gorgeous album!

strng hlkngtn, Sunday, 1 May 2005 01:22 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i was kind of amazed to find out the technology at work here in sr's p-punk book

strng hlkngtn, Sunday, 1 May 2005 01:24 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

duran duran!

christhamrin (christhamrin), Sunday, 1 May 2005 03:39 (thirteen years ago) Permalink


latebloomer: But when the monkey die, people gonna cry. (latebloomer), Sunday, 1 May 2005 05:05 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

stand by earlier comment. surprised to find strngo here. or maybe not. hazy, slippery, hallucinatory

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Sunday, 1 May 2005 05:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

oh man i love up on the sun

charleston charge (chaki), Sunday, 1 May 2005 08:39 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

four months pass...
I was surprised to read in Reynolds' book that Meat Puppets were his favorite of the SST bands over Minutemen and Husker Du. I hadn't listened to the first MP in over 12 years after selling my copy. It is pretty fun in small doses. But it's odd how he seems to hate anything rooted in American country, folk, blues, etc., yet the Puppets were big fans of the Grateful Dead and ZZ Top. That was apparent in their music. Not so apparent was their alleged love of Gong, Mahavishnu Orchestra and Gentle Giant. "...a Venezuelan shaman flipping out on hallucinogenic tree-bark" might not have been the first thing I thought, but it's a nicely weird version of hardcore.

Fastnbulbous (Fastnbulbous), Thursday, 29 September 2005 04:06 (twelve years ago) Permalink

'II' is one of my favourite albums ever. I never get tired of listening it. Make sure you get the new edition with bonus tracks because you get this song called 'What To Do' which is the classic slacker record ten years before slacker happened.

This is a Rolling Stones cover. I'm not sure if you meant that the song predated the 90s slacker or the 70s slacker.

II is a classic album. It is awesome and captures something that for me, is beyond words. It has a beauty that few albums have. Up On the Sun, on the other hand-- well, I just don't get that record. I know everyone raves about it, but I don't think it's near as good as II. It seems a lot more of a conscious effort or something... still decent, but I wouldn't recommend it as a first MP purchase.

richard wood johnson, Thursday, 29 September 2005 04:17 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I think II is a little over-rated, and I really only like the future Nirvana covers, whereas..


poortheatre (poortheatre), Thursday, 29 September 2005 04:22 (twelve years ago) Permalink

gawd, i feel like I must be listening to a different "up on the sun" here. my instinct was to think that everyone would distance themselves from this record for its over-the-top virtuosity alone-- and for me, that is its most prominent feature. it has a nice deserty sound, but the songs seem underdeveloped compared to the ones on II, and the effort seems focused on musical virtuosity rather than songwriting.

richard wood johnson, Thursday, 29 September 2005 04:29 (twelve years ago) Permalink

two months pass...
No one else finds the singing on II annoying?

Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 05:03 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i did when i was 11 but as i got older the voices sounded more vulnerable and sweet to me and they actually armonize pretty damn good

howell huser (chaki), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 06:15 (twelve years ago) Permalink

also brian turner played an awesome live song today! check the fmu archives!

howell huser (chaki), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 06:20 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I don't particularly like II, but mainly because I heard it 10 or so years after listening to Nirvana Unplugged in New York all the time.

poortheatre (poortheatre), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 06:20 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i find kurt cobain's singing on those meat puppets covers annoying, and i otherwise love his voice.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 06:22 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Just listened to this earlier in the week. Yes, the vocals are seriously ragged on this album and it veers towards cringeworthy at some points, but chaki is right in that there is a strange beauty to it. Cobain "righted" the vocals somewhat on the cover tunes by actually hitting the notes (or coming closer than Kirkwood did), but in a way he lost something too.

The best songs on II are the instrumentals, anyway!

Keith C (lync0), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 14:20 (twelve years ago) Permalink

the only song from II which sounds better to me as a Nirvana cover is "Lake of Fire". The rest of the songs are perfect in their original Meat Puppets incarnations.

classic, by the way.

latebloomer: Deutsch Bag (latebloomer), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 14:29 (twelve years ago) Permalink

so so classic. first album, II and Up On the Sun are unfuckwithable. i've never found the singing annoying at all, really, though i can understand how some would.

ZR (teenagequiet), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 15:00 (twelve years ago) Permalink

anyone heard the Curt Kirkwood album that come out a couple months ago, Snow? it's alright, reminds me of II in parts. definitely better than his last few post-MP bands.

Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 15:22 (twelve years ago) Permalink

II and Up on the Sun are II of my favorite albums


jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 16:59 (twelve years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
I'm thinking of going to see Curt Kirkwood play solo tonight - has anyone seen him lately, or read about it? I'm wondering if it would be any good. My roommate really wants to go.

stingewell, Tuesday, 24 January 2006 14:48 (twelve years ago) Permalink

There is not enough love for Mirage on this thread

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 16:03 (twelve years ago) Permalink

What's this all about then?

Ich Ber ein Binliner (Tom D.), Thursday, 4 December 2008 10:42 (nine years ago) Permalink

It's the same thing they did at ATP New York back in September, no?

I saw them here in Dublin two nights ago, they played for nearly two hours so everyone got their money's worth. Really good show, the time flew by. But jesus, Cris Kirkwood looks old.

MacDara, Thursday, 4 December 2008 11:32 (nine years ago) Permalink

Oh right, I hadn't heard about that. So they play more than just "Meat Puppets II", £14 for 30 minutes would be pushing it a bit!

Ich Ber ein Binliner (Tom D.), Thursday, 4 December 2008 11:44 (nine years ago) Permalink

i just lurve 'Creator', the scrambling guitar line, the bored delivery that keeps building to a climax because of the song structure. 'Up on the sun' and 'ii' are wonderful.

Dr X O'Skeleton, Thursday, 4 December 2008 11:53 (nine years ago) Permalink

I wanted to go tonight but am all sick and snotty :(

I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE UP TO (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 4 December 2008 12:00 (nine years ago) Permalink

They sound great on cold medication though.

NickB, Thursday, 4 December 2008 12:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

What album's that on?

Ich Ber ein Binliner (Tom D.), Thursday, 4 December 2008 12:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

Cough Syr-up on the Sun

NickB, Thursday, 4 December 2008 12:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

(sorry, best I could do at short notice)

NickB, Thursday, 4 December 2008 12:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

Not too shabby

Ich Ber ein Binliner (Tom D.), Thursday, 4 December 2008 12:14 (nine years ago) Permalink

Not too funny either sadly.

Anyhow, yes, they do really rattle through things live, the time I saw them it seemed like just a blur.

NickB, Thursday, 4 December 2008 12:19 (nine years ago) Permalink

Gaah. I'm torn between this and two other shows tonight. What's ULU like?

Brad Overturf (gnarly sceptre), Thursday, 4 December 2008 13:39 (nine years ago) Permalink

They did 'In A Car' EP in full to make it 32 mins. Surely?

Fer Ark, Thursday, 4 December 2008 21:48 (nine years ago) Permalink

five months pass...
five months pass...

Joe Carducci posted his updated "Meat Puppets II" memoir for ATP '08 in this week's New Vulgate. It's a unique inside perspective on the Pups.

new vulgarian, Thursday, 5 November 2009 17:03 (eight years ago) Permalink

They are playing here on tuesday. I think I will go. I've missed them the last two times they came through. Played "We're Here" on the radio last night.

Trip Maker, Thursday, 5 November 2009 17:14 (eight years ago) Permalink

Meat Puppets is probably my favourite band name of all time. Also (from

Meat Puppets, by the way. They are like one hell of a backwoodsy freak show. Leggy, fingerpicked chords dominate “Plateau,” with a country-funk bounce on the low end, for a creepy-crawler sound harking back to The Who’s (/Entwistle’s) “Boris The Spider.” Still, its killer denouement is the real selling point, an explosively saturated, resplendent and chiming snake of guitar effects that underscores the desert spareness of everything else. You’d want the melodic figure to have its own song, but then this song wouldn’t be this song. And now you know the value of control.

ecuador_with_a_c, Thursday, 5 November 2009 17:30 (eight years ago) Permalink

meat puppets are so so so classic
i was listening to sewn together last night and side a is pretty boss
when they came thru chi-town in the spring they pretty much fuckin ruled

the new stuff is more like curt's album snow than anything else
more country-ish, mellow like a man comfortable with himself not trying to prove anything. and cris is a fuckin blast! he was so approachable and drew this wicked picture on the album sleeve as i chatted him up. curt is much more reserved and quiet. definitely go see them they will play some early stuff, and at some point get way out there in some huge curt solo. so maybe take some drugs

flames are all i see (jdchurchill), Thursday, 5 November 2009 19:47 (eight years ago) Permalink

Oh I'm so there. Sounds cool. I will be h1gh, don't fret.

Trip Maker, Thursday, 5 November 2009 19:56 (eight years ago) Permalink

I 'discovered' the Meat Puppets at the same time as Husker Du. When was it? '84/85.Back when 'punk' really was

I had a recording of my 94 year old grandma (then 70 ish) singing 'Lost on the Freeway' with my cousin and I at her gaff just after my grandad died I was on acoustic guitar and my grandma was on her casio keyboard.

We were trying to connect. With the deserts of Arizona from the fish docks of Hull, England. Spanning generations and the world.Us three managed it but nobody else heard. These days it would be on You Tube. Pure comedy cos I was probably been very serious trying to get those chords right

I was watching a DVD of the Meat Puppets the other night.'live in the 90s' or some other unimaginative title. Excellent stuff

Now where is that family affair tape?

Fer Ark, Thursday, 5 November 2009 19:59 (eight years ago) Permalink

best song they ever did? aurora borealis. an instrumental from ii. this is how heaven sounds like. desert heaven.

alex in mainhattan, Thursday, 5 November 2009 21:48 (eight years ago) Permalink

aurora borealis started playing in my head when i saw this thread. good call.

kingkongvsgodzilla, Thursday, 5 November 2009 21:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

seal whales dudes seal whales . . .

but yea alive in the 90s is kinda precious if you're into the pups
i made a cassette some of the songs on there and the quality is all over the place. the part from john stewart's show is mad blown out, and then there's a thing from a record store that is like a whisper comparatively

flames are all i see (jdchurchill), Friday, 6 November 2009 00:04 (eight years ago) Permalink

Go see these guys, they were so good tonight (and over before midnight!)(lol old)( )

Trip Maker, Wednesday, 11 November 2009 05:41 (eight years ago) Permalink

man i was playing to see them when they come thru but now i think i'll be out of town for thanxgiving

luol deng (am0n), Wednesday, 11 November 2009 05:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

Has everyone seen this?
My bro just hipped me to it and recommended the 85 shows first.

Trip Maker, Wednesday, 11 November 2009 19:59 (eight years ago) Permalink

i saw that way back in the day when i was on the e-mail list referenced at the bottom of the page, hadn't seen it in years!

some dude, Wednesday, 11 November 2009 20:04 (eight years ago) Permalink

Oh dude, thank you.

kingkongvsgodzilla, Wednesday, 11 November 2009 20:15 (eight years ago) Permalink

Remember seeing them in a Providence club in '85 or so. An agitated young man leaning against the stage kept yelling for them to play their earlier hardcore stuff: "Speed it up! We ain't fuckin' critics!"
Curt Kirkwood responded in barely a whisper, "No, man, no." By the end of the night they had won the punk over.

Jazzbo, Wednesday, 11 November 2009 21:29 (eight years ago) Permalink

i saw that way back in the day when i was on the e-mail list referenced at the bottom of the page

That list is still going, by the way. Ted Marcus, their current drummer, recently popped by to say hi (and explain why he wasn't on the current tour).

wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Wednesday, 11 November 2009 22:24 (eight years ago) Permalink

Thanks so much for that link, Trip Maker, currently thoroughly enjoying the 85 Safari Sams gig. Their loose-yet-tight playing is fantastic, good sound quality, too!

willem, Thursday, 12 November 2009 06:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

Still stoked from my experience last night. They covered "Wasted Days and Wasted Nights."
So cool.

Trip Maker, Thursday, 12 November 2009 07:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

New Album ‘Lollipop’ (Megaforce) Released May 2nd

It doesn't take long after listening to the Meat Puppets' thirteenth studio album overall, Lollipop, to realize that they have boiled the essence of what the group is all about right down to its core. As a result, singer/guitarist Curt Kirkwood, bassist Cris Kirkwood, and drummer Shandon Sahm have an instant Meat Puppets classic on their hands, and an album that fits in perfectly with such mid '80s classics as Up on the Sun and the underrated Mirage (while not coming off as an attempt to recreate a certain musical era of the group). Interestingly however, the Meat Puppets did not achieve this by working out the songs' arrangements beforehand, or even extensively rehearsing together.

"This one here was an experiment in just viewing the parts as Tinkertoys, and seeing the little Tinkertoy circus that needed to be built, and putting it together simply like that," explains Curt. "With just the band in the studio and the engineer, we didn't learn the songs - we just went in the studio, and went, 'OK, here's your part. Now play this good.' So we cut the stuff on acoustic guitar and drums first, and then built it. It's an interesting concept of a way to do something. It seems like it might be a stiff way to do something, by just putting it together a piece at a time like that. But I really enjoyed it. I think the overall sound of the way it came out is kind of a contradiction of the way it was recorded. To me, that's the coolest thing - to put something together like that, so you have the sum of the parts, and then the whole. The whole thing about the whole being greater than the sum of the parts. To force yourself to do it that way. We were able to keep track of the music."

Produced once more by Curt, Lollipop signals the re-entry of former Puppets drummer Sahm back into the band (who previously played on the 2000 Puppets release, Golden Lies, and supporting tour). Sahm elaborates: "In October [2009], Curt called. I said, 'Aren't you supposed to be out on tour with the Stone Temple Pilots? What's up?' He said, 'Do you want to fill in and do these dates?' We only had one day to practice. That was the icebreaker. The first show was in Mobile, Alabama at BayFest. It was probably 5,000 to 10,000 people. Right afterwards, Robert and Dean DeLeo came up and said, 'You're really great in the band. You really drive the band cool. You should be in there.' And I was like, 'Well, I'm filling in for right now. It would be to 'the boss'.' Robert goes, 'I'll talk to him.'

Recorded at Spoon’s HiFi Studio’s in Austin, Lollipop is chock full of tunes that run the stylistic gamut. Case in point, the opening keyboard-laced "Incomplete" (that Curt wrote back in 1983, and envisioned as "something that I thought would be good for Elvis or Engelbert Humperdinck in the '60s") and the rocking "Hour of the Idiot," to the sunny ska of "Shave It," and such acoustic country ditties as "Baby Don't" and "The Spider and the Spaceship." And Cris certainly approves of the finished product. "The continuity that runs through Curt's work is just a trip, and how you can reference different parts. I think it's a fairly bitching effort, considering the amount of time we put into pre-work. I think it's indicative of where the band's at right now. It's a fairly fluid moment, and that's a trip, considering how long we've been at it and the band's history. Curt's been at it non-stop, and I'm pleased to be able to provide him with a stable outlet for his art."

And according to Curt, the band got back to trusting their instincts once more - a major catalyst in their earlier work. "The similarity between the '80s and now is that once we started getting a lot of attention in the '90s, we brought producers in and stuff, and there was a thing that started happening - and it might sound egotistical - but this band always ran off of my intuitions. As much as songwriting or anything else. I write intuitively, and I never wanted to be a songwriter - I just got into it when I had the band. I just wanted to be in a band. So it's all been this intuition of 'This is what we need to do.' This was kind of taken away from us in the '90s, as money came in and people said, 'You need to do this.' It clouded the whole, 'Well, what does Curt think?' You could say it was the money or it was the thrust of popularity stuff or the Nirvana thing. But it just was like the band as a whole quit trusting that, I think. We just became more compliant, and like they say, 'Cooperation leads to corruption.' So in this way, I think the album harkens back to that."

NYCNative, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 21:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

How do we feel about Too High to Die these days?

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 01:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

it's a pretty bad album in comparison to their best stuff, but it's still leagues better than a lot of other major label rock albs of its era (especially by '80s hardcore bands gone fully alt). so we'll call it a draw.

death to ilx, long live the frogbs (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 01:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'd never heard it beyond "Backwater" and "Things." Good tunes but after three listens I find it hard to settle on other tunes.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 01:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

like if this was a "taking sides: too high to die vs. god of love" i know what i'd pick.

death to ilx, long live the frogbs (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 01:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

I really like THtD! It's the best at getting acceptable vocals out of Kurt, with good arrangements, if not their best songs. Good songs though. Severed Goddess Hand is one of those phrases that keeps repeating in my head at the oddest time. But the whole first side in particular flows beautifully.

bendy, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 02:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

"Violet Eyes."

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 02:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

Creator, for that scrambling guitar, the languid matter of fact vocal delivery, and the line
"Some say openly, I don't know. Some build eleavators"

Dr X O'Skeleton, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 21:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

five year later, this still sounds gorgeous and amazing to me:

alpha flighticles (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 30 September 2012 21:00 (five years ago) Permalink

I agree. Great tune. I hadn't heard it before.

Mule, Sunday, 30 September 2012 22:22 (five years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

New podcast interview with Cris Kirkwood

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 18 August 2015 21:46 (three years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

Here 15 golden greats.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 01:50 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Great list! I'd have had Light and Like Being Alive from Monsters in there I think.

MaresNest, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 17:21 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Saw them several times, first at this show in Bloomfield NJ, summer of '85. I don't remember Derrick Bostrom looking this friggin' hot:

Springsteen was playing a Born in the USA show a few miles away, so during their encore someone (in a crowd of maybe 30) yelled "Bruce." So they did a loud, fast version of "Dancing in the Dark."

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 17:47 (eleven months ago) Permalink

was just listening to Up On The Sun last night, it sounded great.

sleeve, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 17:49 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I think I'd add a few more of the 1st lp tracks as my favourites but that list isn't bad.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 18:53 (eleven months ago) Permalink

love the demo tracks included in the 'up on the sun' reissue, some of it is the most stoned sounding music I can think of

global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 19:13 (eleven months ago) Permalink

UotS still and forever in my top 5 rock records

harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Friday, 13 October 2017 12:14 (eleven months ago) Permalink

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