Morrissey is a racist

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findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 22:20 (eight months ago) link

who?

lumen (esby), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 22:23 (eight months ago) link

Morrissey

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 22:23 (eight months ago) link

not ringing any bells

lumen (esby), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 22:24 (eight months ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/6pzFKLv.jpg

shhh / let peaceful like things (wins), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 22:26 (eight months ago) link

i still enjoy the music of morrissey and feel conflicted. has ilx ever discussed this sort of moral dilemma before?

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 22:46 (eight months ago) link

no

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 22:49 (eight months ago) link

he was in that one band, kind of like a goth Aztec Camers

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 22:51 (eight months ago) link

Yes, he definitely is.

emil.y, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 22:55 (eight months ago) link

Bill Morrissey, as he is known professionally, is one of New England’s best singer-songwriters.

... (Eazy), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 22:57 (eight months ago) link

thank you jim, you are the hero of ilx

Flood-Resistant Mirror-Drilling Machine (rushomancy), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 23:21 (eight months ago) link

I think he was Johnny marrs singer, aka the guy who played guitar for the the. I guess he had a band before that

Vapor waif (uptown churl), Thursday, 30 May 2019 00:24 (eight months ago) link

Johnny Mars from Modest Mouse?

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Thursday, 30 May 2019 00:42 (eight months ago) link

No, Johnny Mars from Motley Crue, iirc.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 30 May 2019 01:08 (eight months ago) link

Great, You caught one.

nicky lo-fi, Thursday, 30 May 2019 01:12 (eight months ago) link

Like shooting f ish in a oxygen bar,
re a lly.

nicky lo-fi, Thursday, 30 May 2019 01:14 (eight months ago) link

the url gives me the gist

FernandoHierro, Thursday, 30 May 2019 10:03 (eight months ago) link

Every time this happens there’s always a dozen articles with the title “bigmouth strikes again”, if only the smiths had done a song called “very stupid cunt keeps shitting himself let’s talk about it”

shhh / let peaceful like things (wins), Thursday, 30 May 2019 10:10 (eight months ago) link

I'd gladly read that Tim Jonze long read if he was offering a $1 per word.

calzino, Thursday, 30 May 2019 10:12 (eight months ago) link

“the morrissey you, the further away i get”

estela, Thursday, 30 May 2019 10:14 (eight months ago) link

xxxp it does. the article is 90% rehashing, but includes bits from a couple of interviews with Asian artists, also interesting to see how he has tried to manage all of this using lawyers but appears to have given up.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 30 May 2019 10:22 (eight months ago) link

Around the time he sued NME, Morrissey forced the Word magazine into an apology over a review that said he was “paying lip service to anti-racism while talking like an old Tory immigration spokesman”

Why in the world would they apologize for that basic statement of fact

Sam Weller, Thursday, 30 May 2019 10:28 (eight months ago) link

Because libel law in the UK is ridiculous and Morrissey likes to have his lawyers send out threatening letters and as far as editors are concerned it isn't worth the hassle?

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 30 May 2019 10:50 (eight months ago) link

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/may/30/bigmouth-strikes-again-morrissey-songs-loneliness-shyness-misfits-far-right-party-tonight-show-jimmy-fallon

― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, May 30, 2019 8:07 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I am just so glad that Morrissey isn't doing Misfits covers.

☮ (peace, man), Thursday, 30 May 2019 11:04 (eight months ago) link

Because libel law in the UK is ridiculous and Morrissey likes to have his lawyers send out threatening letters and as far as editors are concerned it isn't worth the hassle?

Obviously! Although the statement was about as inarguable as "Morrissey has hair."

Sam Weller, Thursday, 30 May 2019 13:08 (eight months ago) link

why is it always the worst ones who have hair?

Flood-Resistant Mirror-Drilling Machine (rushomancy), Thursday, 30 May 2019 14:11 (eight months ago) link

Wow at the idea that what's being criticized about "Bengali in Platforms" is its "tone."

timellison, Thursday, 30 May 2019 14:13 (eight months ago) link

very stupid (la-di-da da-da)
very stupid (la-di-di-daaa)

wins, I think this could work

Arugula Raccoon (DJP), Thursday, 30 May 2019 14:26 (eight months ago) link

why is it always the worst ones who have hair?

Moz pretty clearly tolerates a certain amount of immigration to his scalp.

Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 30 May 2019 14:34 (eight months ago) link

Irish Hair, English Arsehole

Ned Caligari (Tom D.), Thursday, 30 May 2019 14:46 (eight months ago) link

Yes, but was he a racist?

pomenitul, Thursday, 30 May 2019 16:40 (eight months ago) link

Was, is, and ever shall be

shhh / let peaceful like things (wins), Thursday, 30 May 2019 16:50 (eight months ago) link

The past is a different country, but Morrissey is still racist there.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 30 May 2019 16:53 (eight months ago) link

I just feel bad for all the people who named their cats Steven Meowrissey

mick signals, Thursday, 30 May 2019 17:43 (eight months ago) link

He has tweeted someone's blog post in defense of himself. It's all about veganism and shaking things up, you idiots:

In his open support for the party For Britain , (which seems to have caused the most controversy in recent years) Morrissey has explained his admiration for the party leader's (Anne Marie Water) vegan lifestyle and huge dedication to animal protection. He has long expressed how he is tired of the same two political groups running the game again and again, he wants to see a shake up in politics, as many of us do. Much of the criticism levelled at Morrissey's endorsement of For Britain stems from accusations that the party are either “racist” or “anti-Islam” (a meaningless claim when you consider that even some ex-Muslims openly support the party, and they have members of all backgrounds).

It goes on.

https://www.tremr.com/Fiona-Dodwell/the-guardian-and-the-morrissey-vendetta

Sam Weller, Monday, 3 June 2019 09:28 (eight months ago) link

“racist” or “anti-Islam” (a meaningless claim when you consider that even some ex-Muslims openly support the party, and they have members of all backgrounds)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent

pomenitul, Monday, 3 June 2019 09:30 (eight months ago) link

Any actual Muslims support this non-racist, non-Islamophoboc party?

The Guts of Duran Duran (Tom D.), Monday, 3 June 2019 09:42 (eight months ago) link

so wait, morrissey's argument here is literally "hitler was a vegetarian"?

what's his backup argument, "hitler was a sensitive man"?

Flood-Resistant Mirror-Drilling Machine (rushomancy), Monday, 3 June 2019 09:45 (eight months ago) link

Hitler was a lesbian.

The Guts of Duran Duran (Tom D.), Monday, 3 June 2019 09:47 (eight months ago) link

Some guy named 4chan said Hitler did nothing wrong.

pomenitul, Monday, 3 June 2019 09:54 (eight months ago) link

Also, can we start a new thread titled 'Morrissey is a fascist'?

pomenitul, Monday, 3 June 2019 09:55 (eight months ago) link

He could say Hitler was right to kill the Jews and legions of his fans would defend him and claim he's misunderstood.

The Guts of Duran Duran (Tom D.), Monday, 3 June 2019 09:59 (eight months ago) link

... and that's no joke btw.

The Guts of Duran Duran (Tom D.), Monday, 3 June 2019 09:59 (eight months ago) link

ol' Moz bringin' out the Godwin's law on ilx, gotta love it

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 3 June 2019 10:05 (eight months ago) link

what's his backup argument, "hitler was a sensitive man"?

Charming man

Sam Weller, Monday, 3 June 2019 10:08 (eight months ago) link

TS: Steven Patrick Morrissey vs Mikko Aspa

pomenitul, Monday, 3 June 2019 10:09 (eight months ago) link

Godwin himself approves a common sense exception to invoking his law when ppl are discussing actual confirmed white supremacists tbfttl

By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I'm with you.

— Mike Godwin (@sfmnemonic) August 14, 2017

shhh / let peaceful like things (wins), Monday, 3 June 2019 10:12 (eight months ago) link

so pleased to finally meet you Mike...I've invoked your name countless times on message borads over the decades....

calzino, Monday, 3 June 2019 10:16 (eight months ago) link

the problem is, morrissey's music is good

treeship., Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:33 (one week ago) link

and all four smiths albums are important if you care about the development of indie music or even british culture more broadly. this is like canceling shakespeare for being sexist or something

treeship., Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:35 (one week ago) link

or picasso. critique is important, but what is meant by "canceling"?

treeship., Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:36 (one week ago) link

I’m using it as shorthand. The question this morning (US time) was why he is allegedly more acceptable in the US than UK.

Mocha Sauce (morrisp), Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:38 (one week ago) link

because he is a relic

treeship., Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:41 (one week ago) link

he's an extant human who makes money by performing to paying audiences

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:45 (one week ago) link

sort of

treeship., Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:46 (one week ago) link

i don't know, i feel worse supporting the meat industry than giving money to morrissey. or paying taxes that go toward cluster bombs for saudi arabia etc

treeship., Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:47 (one week ago) link

I love old Smiths shit but y'know.....I also like Sufjan Stevens, but if he put out an album called "12 Fascist Folk Songs" that might ruin the beauty of his old music to me.

I'm not firmly in that camp, because I like a lot of music with problematic pasts, but I think right now many of us are feeling a little bit less tolerant given how much white nationalism is taking off across the globe and not wanting to be any part of it.

i don't think ILX is marching anyone to the gallows for singing "How Soon is Now?" at karaoke tho

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:48 (one week ago) link

I probably would but not because racism

Todd Phillips, party auteur (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:51 (one week ago) link

in that case, I have the names of 47 people doing that right now

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:52 (one week ago) link

that's a good comparison with sufjan. i hold him to a different standard. morrissey has always been melodramatic, kind of a camp figure but able to derive pathos out of that. i would never look to such a person to have admirable beliefs. i also don't see him being an influential messenger for these ideas but maybe he is radicalizing people who knows

treeship., Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:54 (one week ago) link

I mean the metal bands I listen to, I can't throw stones. but it's also that it's not like someone had to goad Morrissey into saying these things, he just does, and loudly, and that's in your head when you hear the songs.

now I'm also not a huge Moz or Smiths fan tho so that also plays into it. i'd have a hard time letting go of Iron Maiden if they wrote a song about Eddie being anti-semetic or some shit.

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:59 (one week ago) link

in the songs, morrissey comes across as a manipulative narcissist. it's part of the drama

treeship., Thursday, 13 February 2020 04:02 (one week ago) link

i don't know, i guess i don't think i'd want to only consume art by "good" people.

treeship., Thursday, 13 February 2020 04:03 (one week ago) link

I have heard Steve Harris's political views are pretty far from progressive

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 13 February 2020 04:04 (one week ago) link

really? :(

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Thursday, 13 February 2020 04:07 (one week ago) link

With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r) at 12:34 12 Feb 20

Ime, a lot of people had no idea what the word "Bengali" meant, even though there's a good chance they had met some around here.

--- yeah I mean I will admit, as a cornfed Midwestern rube with latent sadsack indie tendencies, with a very narrow cultural perspective -- as blatantly racist as I understand Bengali in Platforms to be now -- it didn't exactly jump off the page to me then, especially if your frame of reference for "problematic fav being racist" was One in a Million by Guns n Roses or Black Korea by Ice Cube

also it would have never occurred to me that soft/melancholy music could be racist

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 13 February 2020 04:09 (one week ago) link

xpost yeah it was a rumour I read, something about not wanting his daughter dating outside her race. def not for sure confirmed but...I dunno think about it... dude his age and background.... really into metal and military history, I could see it

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 13 February 2020 04:11 (one week ago) link

Most of us have beloved artists who did heinous shit and we haven't been able to divorce ourselves from them - Iggy and Bowie, child molesters; domestic assault up and down the line; Tupac, sexual assault; dancehall/reggae homophobia and sexism. Where we're capable of drawing the line ends up being pretty irrational.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 13 February 2020 05:34 (one week ago) link

thanks for someone finally bringing up the Tupac sexual assault. kinda cringed when I saw some people who were bringing up Kobe's rape on the date of his death and saying "nobody should mourn this dude" that are also the "Tupac RIP we miss you" crew. he was convicted, too!

(not that i'm saying the comments about the rape are off limits for Kobe, but have some consistency)

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Thursday, 13 February 2020 05:40 (one week ago) link

Sounds like you’re posting from Bizarro world w/r/t Kobe. I assume you’re aware that of the repercussions faced by a few (female) journalists who brought up the Kobe rape allegation after his death.

Mocha Sauce (morrisp), Thursday, 13 February 2020 05:51 (one week ago) link

of course I'm aware of that, I have the internet, it's gross and I hate it. I'm just saying it shouldn't be inherently off limits to say "ok, I know we're sad, but let's not forget this happened". I however have long wondered why people I know that are still rosy about Tupac who turned the sideeye to Kobe when he passed.

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Thursday, 13 February 2020 05:55 (one week ago) link

not decrying people for not bringing it up at all.

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Thursday, 13 February 2020 05:55 (one week ago) link

I hear you

Mocha Sauce (morrisp), Thursday, 13 February 2020 05:57 (one week ago) link

The question this morning (US time) was why he is allegedly more acceptable in the US than UK.

Black people started major efforts to cancel Morrissey in the UK in 1992 and it didn't take until, like, late 2018. His tour in America last year did loads of cut-price tickets because sales were low. Him being booked on one 1980s nostalgia concert in one city doesn't say anything about either country's moral centre.

Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Thursday, 13 February 2020 07:13 (one week ago) link

this is probably a good place for Morrissey's Green Book theme song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_96bgvIDlM

symsymsym, Thursday, 13 February 2020 07:36 (one week ago) link

Morrissey's Green Book theme song

lmao how am I only learning about this now, perfect

wee jim o’conor (wins), Thursday, 13 February 2020 07:41 (one week ago) link

and all four smiths albums are important if you care about the development of indie music or even british culture more broadly. this is like canceling shakespeare for being sexist or something

Not important in the development of 'British culture' and not like cancelling Shakepeare.

High profile Tom D (Tom D.), Thursday, 13 February 2020 07:53 (one week ago) link

fucking hell, haven't read so much maximum wrongness in one sentence on ilm for years.

calzino, Thursday, 13 February 2020 08:31 (one week ago) link

oh lol just scrolled up to find the perpetrator of that uttermost claptrap and I'm not entirely shocked!

calzino, Thursday, 13 February 2020 08:36 (one week ago) link

I'd be interested to see which Elizabethan writer it would be like cancelling if you were to give a summary dismissal to other shit British indie-rock bands. Maybe Ned's Atomic Dustbin for C Marlowe? jesus can't even name another Elizabethan writer without going to wiki, but shamefully my mind is like a skip full of the names of shit British indie bands!

calzino, Thursday, 13 February 2020 09:41 (one week ago) link

I once saw a rousing production of Edward II at sheffield crucible starring Fiennes the younger, that was better than any indie rock shite!

calzino, Thursday, 13 February 2020 09:45 (one week ago) link

Thinking about this this morning and for me the discussion above isn't so much about Morrissey or the "ethics of cancel cultures" or even the art/artist separation (which christ knows we've done to death) but more the culture clash with a certain group of people who are mainly in the USA, let's call them the Freeze Peach Posse - these are youngish angry men who identify as libertarian and view absolutely everything as an issue of free speech. We have plenty of awful people in the UK, but they seem to be of a different (not better) sort. I mainly know the FPP from their relentless commenting on my US friends Facebook posts, every American I know on there seems to have at least a couple of friends or relatives like this. The presence and tolerance of these people seems to lead to an expectation that artists (particularly white male musicians) are likely to be "free thinkers" who are going to come out with all kinds of outrageous things, but "hey, that's all part of being a rock star, I'm here for the music," etc. But this is bullshit, he is putting out this stuff and feels emboldened to do so, buying a ticket to his show let's him know that you are on-board with this stuff and encourages him to do it more.

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 13 February 2020 09:46 (one week ago) link

Like, you guys who are proud that he wouldn’t headline a festival in the UK anymore… What’s your excuse for 1986 to whenever?

― Mocha Sauce (morrisp), Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:28 (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

i', mot going to link it for like a fourth time, that seems cheeky, but (as a writer who was "there" in 1986) i did actually wrestle with this at some length in my patreon/freaky trigger piece: i think there were institutional reasons it didn't land with permanence in the 80s which go beyond "everyone is as racist as everyone else, get over yrselves" -- a big deal was immediately made of it in the uk music press in 1986

mark s, Thursday, 13 February 2020 10:07 (one week ago) link

"i', mot" = "i'm not"

i mean my explanation could be wrong! but the effort has been made

mark s, Thursday, 13 February 2020 10:08 (one week ago) link

Yeah the NME famously covered his Finsbury Park gig with the Union Jack in it critically(92?), and were subsequently proven correct in doubt so.

hyds (gyac), Thursday, 13 February 2020 10:10 (one week ago) link

that's one of the things I was thinking of re Black people started major efforts to cancel Morrissey in the UK in 1992, as well as Cornershop doing a photo shoot burning pictures of Morrissey and talking about how offensive his lyrics were.

(sub "brown" where appropriate - De1e Fade1e was the NME writer.)

Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Thursday, 13 February 2020 11:37 (one week ago) link

Like, you guys who are proud that he wouldn’t headline a festival in the UK anymore… What’s your excuse for 1986 to whenever?
― Mocha Sauce (morrisp), Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:28 (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

i', mot going to link it for like a fourth time, that seems cheeky, but (as a writer who was "there" in 1986) i did actually wrestle with this at some length in my patreon/freaky trigger piece: i think there were institutional reasons it didn't land with permanence in the 80s which go beyond "everyone is as racist as everyone else, get over yrselves" -- a big deal was immediately made of it in the uk music press in 1986

― mark s, Thursday, February 13, 2020 4:07 AM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

just want to say that this is a great piece and everyone who's interested enough in this to post in this thread should read it

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 13 February 2020 14:50 (one week ago) link

I'll link to it again so mark s doesn't have to

https://www.patreon.com/posts/other-jacksons-18720007

Alba, Thursday, 13 February 2020 16:00 (one week ago) link

Eh...despite Morrissey’s sincere attempts to fuck it up by association since, the Smiths’ rep is still a million miles away from the late 80s/early 90s UK indie herd

Master of Treacle, Thursday, 13 February 2020 22:50 (one week ago) link

Not quite on a par with Shakespeare though. His sister maybe.

Load up your rubber wallets (Tom D.), Thursday, 13 February 2020 23:41 (one week ago) link

sounds just as bard as all the other indie shite to me!

calzino, Thursday, 13 February 2020 23:48 (one week ago) link

The smiths’ best songs rule, come on

treeship., Friday, 14 February 2020 00:28 (one week ago) link

I went from being a slight Smiths fan over time, to loving them a couple of years ago, to being unable to stomach them anymore when I read Mark's article. I mean fuck Morissey sideways.

We're jumping on the road with @Nickelback this summer! (PBKR), Friday, 14 February 2020 01:45 (one week ago) link

This was on a past revive, not just now.

We're jumping on the road with @Nickelback this summer! (PBKR), Friday, 14 February 2020 01:46 (one week ago) link

Marr does a credible job singing the good Smiths song live so you can enjoy them without direct Morrissey stink, at least

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Friday, 14 February 2020 01:53 (one week ago) link

i'll read mark's article

treeship., Sunday, 16 February 2020 13:00 (one week ago) link

I imagine he never told Mozza that "How Soon Is Now" was inspired by Hamilton Bohannon's "Disco Stomp" either.

― High profile Tom D (Tom D.), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 bookmarkflaglink

Lol, amazing

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 16 February 2020 14:07 (one week ago) link


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