Backlash after Lil Nas X's "Old Town Road" removed from Billboard Hot Country chart

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I couldn't find anything about this but I found the controversy interesting and was surprised that nobody mentioned it here yet. If there is existing conversation, please link to it and a moderator can close this thread. If not...

Is this a country song?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ho88VXJTBg

Billboard thought it was... For one week.

Set against a cowboy-themed game, the music video for Lil Nas X's "Old Town Road" uses language of the Wild Wild West with a hip hop spin. The genre-blending tune was a breakout hit five weeks ago when it debuted on three Billboard charts at the same time: the Hot 100, Hot R&B/Hip Hop Songs and Hot Country Songs.

But Billboard quietly removed the song from the country chart the following week, reports CBS News correspondent Jericka Duncan. It later issued a statement saying the song "does not embrace enough elements of today's country music to chart in its current version." Lil Nas X responded on Genius.com.

"I started to think about it, I was like, you know, why? After like listening to other songs that's actually on that chart, it's like, wait a minute, something's not right, basically," Lil Nas X said.

CBS News

Although Darius Rucker had many country hits, he came from the pop/rock realm, not the R&B/rap world. We quibble about genres all the time here, especially with regard to metal. But this is interesting in that Billboard is a trade publication with more clout than any other music publication around, definitely with regard to the business side of things. And of course there's the racial aspect which Billboard denies.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Friday, 12 April 2019 15:34 (two months ago) Permalink

it got mentioned here:

Fusion of Country and Western/Hip-Hop...the wave of the future?

visiting, Friday, 12 April 2019 15:39 (two months ago) Permalink

everyone wants to be a cowboy

Hunt3r, Friday, 12 April 2019 15:46 (two months ago) Permalink

it samples a track from NIN's Ghosts, that's pretty cool for a #1 hit

frogbs, Friday, 12 April 2019 15:49 (two months ago) Permalink

Posted this on the Non-US Rap thread earlier, because of the Dutch connection:

https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/hip-hop/8504409/old-town-road-producer-youngkio-interview-lil-nas-x

breastcrawl, Friday, 12 April 2019 19:30 (two months ago) Permalink

i've started hearing it on the radio. it's the kind of hit that the medium has been sorely needing for a long time -- all the quibbling about whether it fits in this or that category ironically seems to be helping disparate stations that don't ordinarily see a ton of overlap work together on it simultaneously. close enough to everyone, right? tonight i heard the version w/ billy ray cyrus on the rap station's nighttime mixshow hour.

dyl, Saturday, 13 April 2019 06:27 (two months ago) Permalink

at some point you had to figure it was definitely going to go big but i can't say i imagined it would be the enormous smash it seems to be on the verge of becoming

dyl, Saturday, 13 April 2019 06:28 (two months ago) Permalink

If this isn't in the next season of Westworld, I will eat my (cowboy) hat.

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Saturday, 13 April 2019 11:53 (two months ago) Permalink

instant classic

ogmor, Saturday, 13 April 2019 12:45 (two months ago) Permalink

this song is stupid as hell lol

buttigieg play the blues (crüt), Saturday, 13 April 2019 15:24 (two months ago) Permalink

not saying it’s bad necessarily

buttigieg play the blues (crüt), Saturday, 13 April 2019 15:24 (two months ago) Permalink

it's obviously very stupid but it's also very good

L'assie (Euler), Saturday, 13 April 2019 15:51 (two months ago) Permalink

otm

johnny crunch, Saturday, 13 April 2019 21:48 (two months ago) Permalink

Ridin' on a tractor
Lean all in my bladder
Cheated on my baby
You can go and ask her
My life is a movie
Bull ridin' and boobies
Cowboy hat from Gucci
Wrangler on my booty

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Monday, 15 April 2019 19:36 (two months ago) Permalink

it's a very silly song, i do enjoy it tho

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Monday, 15 April 2019 19:37 (two months ago) Permalink

its annoying

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, 15 April 2019 20:39 (two months ago) Permalink

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-country/keith-urban-covers-lil-nas-xs-old-town-road-822449/

Keith Urban covered Old Town Road--this version is gonna chart and people are gonna lose their minds.

to halve and half not (voodoo chili), Monday, 15 April 2019 20:44 (two months ago) Permalink

Once again the white devil's stealing from the black man.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Monday, 15 April 2019 20:58 (two months ago) Permalink

I learned about this song from the pitchfork headline about “Billy Ray Cyrus lends his outlaw cred to Old Town Road” last week and my first reaction was like, admittedly I have not been closely following the oeuvre of mr. Ray Cyrus over these past years, but did I miss something re:him being considered to have ‘outlaw cred’?

One Eye Open, Monday, 15 April 2019 21:15 (two months ago) Permalink

keith urban version isn't actually gonna chart lol

dyl, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 03:23 (two months ago) Permalink

My life is a movie
Bullridin' and boobies

Around that time, I had just watched that ‘Dallas Buyers Club’ movie. I just had that scene with Matthew McConaughey in my mind, I was just thinking about his lifestyle. That’s what I did for that line.

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 21:36 (two months ago) Permalink

The banjo sound makes it all work.

... (Eazy), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 21:52 (two months ago) Permalink

The creek boys remix of Old Town Road is so damn good https://youtu.be/5bXrnvt8KjU

person industrial complex (voodoo chili), Thursday, 18 April 2019 23:11 (one month ago) Permalink

is this the first #1 song where the artist bought the beat from the producer after hearing it on youtube?

buttigieg play the blues (crüt), Thursday, 25 April 2019 14:09 (one month ago) Permalink

nah, desiigner found panda on YT as well

mourning joe (voodoo chili), Thursday, 25 April 2019 14:15 (one month ago) Permalink

how bout Rihanna and the Numa Numa song

frogbs, Thursday, 25 April 2019 14:17 (one month ago) Permalink

lol good pt

buttigieg play the blues (crüt), Thursday, 25 April 2019 14:21 (one month ago) Permalink

tbf numa numa was a standalone vid, that was before youtube was a colossal force

buttigieg play the blues (crüt), Thursday, 25 April 2019 14:21 (one month ago) Permalink

yeah, and that was also a sample of the original song--desiigner and nas x literally purchased the backing track they heard on YT.

mourning joe (voodoo chili), Thursday, 25 April 2019 14:24 (one month ago) Permalink

isn't the backing track just "Ghosts 34"? is it really that simple?

frogbs, Thursday, 25 April 2019 14:35 (one month ago) Permalink

no--a dutch producer named youngkio sampled the very beginning of ghosts 34, looped it, and added trap drums

mourning joe (voodoo chili), Thursday, 25 April 2019 14:37 (one month ago) Permalink

I think I like this. Is it ok to like this?

brimstead, Thursday, 25 April 2019 15:37 (one month ago) Permalink

its not ok to like anything you fool

frogbs, Thursday, 25 April 2019 15:38 (one month ago) Permalink

no--a dutch producer named youngkio sampled the very beginning of ghosts 34, looped it, and added trap drums

as posted upthread:
https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/hip-hop/8504409/old-town-road-producer-youngkio-interview-lil-nas-x

breastcrawl, Thursday, 25 April 2019 15:46 (one month ago) Permalink

Wonder if Goldenvoice will bring this guy/song out at Stagecoach this weekend.

DT, Thursday, 25 April 2019 20:10 (one month ago) Permalink

i sing the cupcakke remix to myself all day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90aQaAfXeGs

flopson, Thursday, 25 April 2019 20:42 (one month ago) Permalink

the creek boyz remix is def worth hearing too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bXrnvt8KjU

mourning joe (voodoo chili), Thursday, 25 April 2019 20:50 (one month ago) Permalink

this song is good i dont like any of these covers though

ciderpress, Friday, 26 April 2019 00:22 (one month ago) Permalink

Love how a completely non-commercial Nine Inch Nails project can give Reznor/Ross an insane payday.

... (Eazy), Friday, 26 April 2019 00:38 (one month ago) Permalink

c'mon the cupcakke remix is great

flopson, Friday, 26 April 2019 00:42 (one month ago) Permalink

Love how a completely non-commercial Nine Inch Nails project can give Reznor/Ross an insane payday.

― ... (Eazy), Thursday, April 25, 2019 8:38 PM (twenty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I mean, "non-commercial" in that it wasn't an album with hits, but it did establish those two as like THE voice of modern ambient and they've been recruited for movie soundtrack projects that I would guess pay exponentially more than publishing on a streaming hit

ebro the letter (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 26 April 2019 01:09 (one month ago) Permalink

lol the opening lines of the cupcakke remix are classic

dyl, Friday, 26 April 2019 02:32 (one month ago) Permalink

Whatever happened to the Young Thug remix?

ebro the letter (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 26 April 2019 16:34 (one month ago) Permalink

I'm obsessed with this choreography

https://www.facebook.com/PorschaColemanOfficial/videos/10156130072335770/

flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 26 April 2019 18:44 (one month ago) Permalink

That is fuckin rad

i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 27 April 2019 04:34 (one month ago) Permalink

IF OLD TOWN ROAD WAS A UK DRILL SONG pic.twitter.com/tCzqnp8Bp9

— TMC Tré (@iamTresor) May 2, 2019

... (Eazy), Friday, 3 May 2019 20:07 (one month ago) Permalink

i love it

i think ur a controp (voodoo chili), Friday, 17 May 2019 16:23 (one month ago) Permalink

Much of the contemporary pop country that I've heard seems to only be country on the basis of having been marketed as country and doesn't actually sound a goddamn thing like country to my ears so it seems like if we start challenging the designation a whole lotta 'country' folks could be unhappy about what side of the divide they'll ultimately wind up on.

Blithering Hayseed (Old Lunch), Friday, 17 May 2019 16:32 (one month ago) Permalink

the distinction is that for at least the past several years, "country" has been defined as "pop radio if rap didn't exist." take something like "The Fighter" by Keith Urban and Carrie Underwood, or Jordan Davis' "Singles You Up" (ugh, the title)

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 17 May 2019 17:20 (one month ago) Permalink

(and I know people will come in here and say "oh but Sam Hunt likes Drake" or whatever, but he isn't Drake, which is the whole point)

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 17 May 2019 17:21 (one month ago) Permalink

Oh, that's interesting. Given my lack of engagement with pop music for...longer than I can remember, I hadn't even considered that the genre was becoming the musical equivalent of white flight. But it makes sense.

Blithering Hayseed (Old Lunch), Friday, 17 May 2019 17:26 (one month ago) Permalink

the distinction is that for at least the past several years, "country" has been defined as "pop radio if rap didn't exist."

The biggest country hit of the decade had Nelly on it.

dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 17 May 2019 17:30 (one month ago) Permalink

Country radio sounds like "country made by people who listen to hip hop" quite often

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 17 May 2019 17:32 (one month ago) Permalink

one song with Nelly on it does not disprove it

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 17 May 2019 17:33 (one month ago) Permalink

(it goes both ways, too -- there are a lot of reasons you see so much Zedd ft. Maren Morris or whatever lately. reason one is "Meant to Be" was a hit and now everyone wants to copy it; reason two is that the country radio audience is, if not overtaking Top 40 (I forget what it is now, streaming has obviously muddied it), then coming very close in size; reason three is that given tomatogate and the like, female country artists probably find it more lucrative to gravitate toward pop; but I suspect another reason is that it gives Top 40 another stream of artists that aren't rap. not all stations, obviously, but given that there are plenty of stations that cut the rap verses from things like Kevin Rudolf songs, there is a demand for it.)

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 17 May 2019 17:34 (one month ago) Permalink

Yeah, the hip-hop influence is becoming pervasive, and – yes, country purists are upset by it – but they're losing the battle

dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 17 May 2019 17:36 (one month ago) Permalink

I'm just gonna leave this here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsNwDjUjbfs

pomenitul, Friday, 17 May 2019 17:36 (one month ago) Permalink

A lot of Country songs, especially after "Dirt Road Anthem," have rap breakdowns. No need for Nelly even.

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 17 May 2019 17:37 (one month ago) Permalink

lol, I thought that Diplo playing the washboard was Kid Rock for a second

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 17 May 2019 17:39 (one month ago) Permalink

This is the number one country song right now...

I imagine whoever wrote the prechorus has probably heard Migos and Future

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjBp30kjzTc

dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 17 May 2019 17:39 (one month ago) Permalink

this is exactly what I was talking about with "oh, but they clearly heard Drake," good to know I predicted it exactly.

the other thing is that when people talk about hip-hop influence in country it's generally in terms of sound -- spoken-word sections, percussion, etc. -- but the sticking point for the sort of people outraged about Old Town Road is content. country lyrics aren't rap lyrics, and something like "Old Town Road" gets parsed as the latter. and obviously this is the source of endless hypocrisy -- if it were Toby Keith saying "bull ridin' and boobies" I'm sure people would be fine with it -- and if not outright racism then certainly influenced by race, but it's the motivation.

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 17 May 2019 17:48 (one month ago) Permalink

Can't believe a genre-music built on nearly 100 years of well-established tropes isn't embracing the content of another one whole hog

dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 17 May 2019 17:53 (one month ago) Permalink

The other thing is that when people talk about hip-hop influence in country it's generally in terms of sound -- spoken-word sections, percussion, etc. -- but the sticking point for the sort of people outraged about Old Town Road is content.

He calls himself "Keith Urban" but in fact...

dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 17 May 2019 17:54 (one month ago) Permalink

you're welcome to talk to someone who is outraged about Old Town Road and ask them why

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 17 May 2019 17:55 (one month ago) Permalink

afaict the people chapshurt about "Old Town Road" are Brothers Osbourne who is upset that Lil Nas X is poking fun of country (he is) and Luke Bryan who's upset that he didn't pay his dues running the gauntlet of Nashville (he didn't)

dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 17 May 2019 17:59 (one month ago) Permalink

I’m annoyed by it bc otherwise intelligent music critic ppl are treating genre as if it’s merely a collection of top down marketing tics instead of a feedback loop between audience and artist. It was only on the country chart in the first place bc Lil Nas X said it was country, not bc country audiences were responding to it w any kind of enthusiasm. It was a tik tok phenomenon where teens drank “yeehaw juice,” jumped in the air, and landed wearing flannel and a cowboy hat — which to be clear wasn’t even about country music in the first place, it’s about Lil Nas X being a red dead redemption video game cosplay artist

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Friday, 17 May 2019 18:03 (one month ago) Permalink

music critic ppl are treating genre as if it’s merely a collection of top down marketing tics instead of a feedback loop between audience and artist.

It can't be both?

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 May 2019 18:04 (one month ago) Permalink

Anyway, worth a read (and so is Jewly Hight's Twitter feed):

At the Pop Conference, NPR journalist Jewly Hight’s paper traced the history of the narrative that country music is the creation and property of whites only, from the earliest divisions between “hillbilly” and “race” records to the present-day example of Billboard axing Li Nas X from the country charts. She spoke to how country has struggled with this narrative and showed some of the engines of change that are pushing country toward more diverse artists. Part of that change comes from redefining the American West, and I’d argue that Red Dead Redemption 2 is key to that by virtue of its intensely immersive experience. Lil Nas X’s song clocks in at less than two minutes, but via the game you can live in a version of what Lil Nas X had in mind in a fully fleshed-out world for days and days. Watching “yeehaw challenges” on YouTube or TikTok, which involve people changing into crazy Western gear, makes me think of all the time I spent in Red Dead Redemption 2 changing Arthur into fancy new Western clothes, or fighting over a new cowboy hat I wanted for him.

Musically, Red Dead Redemption 2 breaks new ground by showcasing time-period-appropriate folk music being played by multiple artists of color. Known as “non-player characters” in video game lingo, these minor characters are sprinkled throughout the world. Walking the streets of the large city Saint Denis, you may hear a fiddle coming from a back alley, and heading behind a building you’ll see an African American woman fiddling while her neighbors dance. Riding by some row houses, you might find an African American man playing the banjo. When so few artists of color are present in American roots music today, embodying them frequently in a video game has a normalizing effect and doubles as historically accurate as well, since artists of color have always carried the lion’s share of the influence in early American music.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 May 2019 18:08 (one month ago) Permalink

plus a bunch of people who say things like "I don't listen to (c)rap" -- which is usually verbatim what they, say, post on facebook

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 17 May 2019 18:12 (one month ago) Permalink

why do you follow those people on facebook?

dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 17 May 2019 18:15 (one month ago) Permalink

It can't be both?

― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, May 17, 2019 1:04 PM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Alfred, a feedback loop implies both already

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Friday, 17 May 2019 18:16 (one month ago) Permalink

I don't, I'm googling site:facebook.com "old town road" news

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 17 May 2019 18:17 (one month ago) Permalink

I mean, some rap fans on social media think pop/EDM/R&B is anathema to the culture, but that didn't stop "Super Bass" from being a huge hit

dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 17 May 2019 18:18 (one month ago) Permalink

sure, which is why I specified people who are outraged about old town road, who are obviously not in the majority, but exist

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 17 May 2019 18:20 (one month ago) Permalink

this debate is abt genre solely as marketing cliches rather than genre as a feedback loop between artist & audience (including marketing cliches). This is a v top down way of looking at popular music but I get it, the popular conversation is superificial and dumb

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Friday, 17 May 2019 18:32 (one month ago) Permalink

the real unpopular opinion is that billy ray cyrus ruined the song

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 17 May 2019 19:05 (one month ago) Permalink

The biggest country hit of the decade had Nelly on it.

― dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, May 17, 2019 10:30 AM (seven hours ago)

very bad revisionist history. the "cruise" remix w/ nelly didn't come out until three months after the song had already fallen off the country radio charts -- it was specifically released for the song's crossover to pop radio. florida georgia line were literally three singles deep on their first album on the country airwaves at the time that the remix was going big at top 40, and the version of "cruise" in recurrent rotation at country was not the nelly remix! (on a related note, some of the hot ac stations that also eventually put the song into heavy rotation opted for a version with the updated/remixed production, but not nelly's vocals. nice, huh?)

meanwhile the saving country music crowd was scowling the entire time the song remained atop billboard's hot country songs chart, which had had its methodology revised the previous year, on the strength of that remix. i guess if you really want you can count nelly performing at the cmt music awards with fgl (and being upstaged by taylor swift dancing in the audience) as evidence that a nelly song was beloved by the country audience.

dyl, Saturday, 18 May 2019 02:09 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Ah, i should have posted that, thanks for clarifying

dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 18 May 2019 02:53 (four weeks ago) Permalink

it's all in my head i think about it over and over again

:∵·∴·∵: (crüt), Saturday, 18 May 2019 03:04 (four weeks ago) Permalink

that is what I should have posted, yeah

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Saturday, 18 May 2019 03:49 (four weeks ago) Permalink

this seems like max saturation to me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vWg5yJuWfs

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 30 May 2019 22:58 (two weeks ago) Permalink

This is the best thing I have ever seen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yvxqwlENxU

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Friday, 31 May 2019 00:36 (two weeks ago) Permalink

4:15 if you wanna see a bunch of elementary school kids screaming about lean hahahahahaha

Bitch, I Might Be Giants (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 31 May 2019 01:19 (two weeks ago) Permalink

lil nas x is a truly great american

be the 2 chainz you want 2 see in the world (m bison), Friday, 31 May 2019 01:49 (two weeks ago) Permalink

that Lander Elementary video really is the best thing ever.

stirmonster, Friday, 31 May 2019 02:28 (two weeks ago) Permalink

btw if you didn't know this guy is an A+ twitter follow

the year is 2050, stuart little is president, the 10 year world war led by shrek & thanos has ended. old town road has reached its 1,615th week at number one and brother nature has stopped global warming. the world is at peace.

— nope (@LilNasX) May 28, 2019

frogbs, Friday, 31 May 2019 13:46 (two weeks ago) Permalink

lil nas x is a truly great american

― be the 2 chainz you want 2 see in the world (m bison), Thursday, May 30, 2019 9:49 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

J. Sam, Friday, 31 May 2019 14:24 (two weeks ago) Permalink

he's one of the best celebs hands down it's crazy lol

J0rdan S., Friday, 31 May 2019 14:32 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i like that him being funny & good at twitter is directly related to the organic social engineering of his song becoming a huge hit! he actually gets the internet in a real way that no marketing team could replicate

J0rdan S., Friday, 31 May 2019 14:36 (two weeks ago) Permalink

He also has that affability of a guy who won the lottery and knows it and is enjoying the ride.

When you can’t sleep so you write an emo-version of old town road pic.twitter.com/smds9fbXoD

— Beach Bunny (@BeachBunnyMusic) May 30, 2019

... (Eazy), Friday, 31 May 2019 14:42 (two weeks ago) Permalink

this song is starting to sell. i imagine it will be a goldmine for mememakers before long. (+ possibly another headache for billboard -- might as well just leave it off all the genre charts)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN8vY8qkgVs

the artist's other material (on his ep) is less gimmicky but not necessarily better. literally one song sounds like a poorly produced 'trapified' ryan tedder ballad from last decade. and uh his singing voice is not always pleasant. but the last track from the ep is pretty good/interesting!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i8C3uEJBvc

dyl, Sunday, 9 June 2019 21:16 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah, for better and worse, that sounds suspiciously like a well calculated hit

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 9 June 2019 22:11 (one week ago) Permalink

a most palpable hit!

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 9 June 2019 22:16 (one week ago) Permalink

possibly poisoned with POPULISM!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 9 June 2019 22:39 (one week ago) Permalink

that blanco brown song reminds me of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvTvEQjyDWw

Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 9 June 2019 23:15 (one week ago) Permalink

lol @ stupid youtube thumbnail graphics

Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 9 June 2019 23:15 (one week ago) Permalink

it is the kinda song i would have enjoyed awkwardly trying to follow along to at a dance in the gym or cafeteria during the elementary school years

dyl, Monday, 10 June 2019 00:30 (one week ago) Permalink


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