Backlash after Lil Nas X's "Old Town Road" removed from Billboard Hot Country chart

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Is this a country song?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ho88VXJTBg

Billboard thought it was... For one week.

Set against a cowboy-themed game, the music video for Lil Nas X's "Old Town Road" uses language of the Wild Wild West with a hip hop spin. The genre-blending tune was a breakout hit five weeks ago when it debuted on three Billboard charts at the same time: the Hot 100, Hot R&B/Hip Hop Songs and Hot Country Songs.

But Billboard quietly removed the song from the country chart the following week, reports CBS News correspondent Jericka Duncan. It later issued a statement saying the song "does not embrace enough elements of today's country music to chart in its current version." Lil Nas X responded on Genius.com.

"I started to think about it, I was like, you know, why? After like listening to other songs that's actually on that chart, it's like, wait a minute, something's not right, basically," Lil Nas X said.

CBS News

Although Darius Rucker had many country hits, he came from the pop/rock realm, not the R&B/rap world. We quibble about genres all the time here, especially with regard to metal. But this is interesting in that Billboard is a trade publication with more clout than any other music publication around, definitely with regard to the business side of things. And of course there's the racial aspect which Billboard denies.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Friday, 12 April 2019 15:34 (four months ago) link

it got mentioned here:

Fusion of Country and Western/Hip-Hop...the wave of the future?

visiting, Friday, 12 April 2019 15:39 (four months ago) link

everyone wants to be a cowboy

Hunt3r, Friday, 12 April 2019 15:46 (four months ago) link

it samples a track from NIN's Ghosts, that's pretty cool for a #1 hit

frogbs, Friday, 12 April 2019 15:49 (four months ago) link

Posted this on the Non-US Rap thread earlier, because of the Dutch connection:

https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/hip-hop/8504409/old-town-road-producer-youngkio-interview-lil-nas-x

breastcrawl, Friday, 12 April 2019 19:30 (four months ago) link

i've started hearing it on the radio. it's the kind of hit that the medium has been sorely needing for a long time -- all the quibbling about whether it fits in this or that category ironically seems to be helping disparate stations that don't ordinarily see a ton of overlap work together on it simultaneously. close enough to everyone, right? tonight i heard the version w/ billy ray cyrus on the rap station's nighttime mixshow hour.

dyl, Saturday, 13 April 2019 06:27 (four months ago) link

at some point you had to figure it was definitely going to go big but i can't say i imagined it would be the enormous smash it seems to be on the verge of becoming

dyl, Saturday, 13 April 2019 06:28 (four months ago) link

If this isn't in the next season of Westworld, I will eat my (cowboy) hat.

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Saturday, 13 April 2019 11:53 (four months ago) link

instant classic

ogmor, Saturday, 13 April 2019 12:45 (four months ago) link

this song is stupid as hell lol

buttigieg play the blues (crüt), Saturday, 13 April 2019 15:24 (four months ago) link

not saying it’s bad necessarily

buttigieg play the blues (crüt), Saturday, 13 April 2019 15:24 (four months ago) link

it's obviously very stupid but it's also very good

L'assie (Euler), Saturday, 13 April 2019 15:51 (four months ago) link

otm

johnny crunch, Saturday, 13 April 2019 21:48 (four months ago) link

Ridin' on a tractor
Lean all in my bladder
Cheated on my baby
You can go and ask her
My life is a movie
Bull ridin' and boobies
Cowboy hat from Gucci
Wrangler on my booty

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Monday, 15 April 2019 19:36 (four months ago) link

it's a very silly song, i do enjoy it tho

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Monday, 15 April 2019 19:37 (four months ago) link

its annoying

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, 15 April 2019 20:39 (four months ago) link

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-country/keith-urban-covers-lil-nas-xs-old-town-road-822449/

Keith Urban covered Old Town Road--this version is gonna chart and people are gonna lose their minds.

to halve and half not (voodoo chili), Monday, 15 April 2019 20:44 (four months ago) link

Once again the white devil's stealing from the black man.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Monday, 15 April 2019 20:58 (four months ago) link

I learned about this song from the pitchfork headline about “Billy Ray Cyrus lends his outlaw cred to Old Town Road” last week and my first reaction was like, admittedly I have not been closely following the oeuvre of mr. Ray Cyrus over these past years, but did I miss something re:him being considered to have ‘outlaw cred’?

One Eye Open, Monday, 15 April 2019 21:15 (four months ago) link

keith urban version isn't actually gonna chart lol

dyl, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 03:23 (four months ago) link

My life is a movie
Bullridin' and boobies

Around that time, I had just watched that ‘Dallas Buyers Club’ movie. I just had that scene with Matthew McConaughey in my mind, I was just thinking about his lifestyle. That’s what I did for that line.

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 21:36 (four months ago) link

The banjo sound makes it all work.

... (Eazy), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 21:52 (four months ago) link

The creek boys remix of Old Town Road is so damn good https://youtu.be/5bXrnvt8KjU

person industrial complex (voodoo chili), Thursday, 18 April 2019 23:11 (four months ago) link

is this the first #1 song where the artist bought the beat from the producer after hearing it on youtube?

buttigieg play the blues (crüt), Thursday, 25 April 2019 14:09 (four months ago) link

nah, desiigner found panda on YT as well

mourning joe (voodoo chili), Thursday, 25 April 2019 14:15 (four months ago) link

how bout Rihanna and the Numa Numa song

frogbs, Thursday, 25 April 2019 14:17 (four months ago) link

lol good pt

buttigieg play the blues (crüt), Thursday, 25 April 2019 14:21 (four months ago) link

tbf numa numa was a standalone vid, that was before youtube was a colossal force

buttigieg play the blues (crüt), Thursday, 25 April 2019 14:21 (four months ago) link

yeah, and that was also a sample of the original song--desiigner and nas x literally purchased the backing track they heard on YT.

mourning joe (voodoo chili), Thursday, 25 April 2019 14:24 (four months ago) link

isn't the backing track just "Ghosts 34"? is it really that simple?

frogbs, Thursday, 25 April 2019 14:35 (four months ago) link

no--a dutch producer named youngkio sampled the very beginning of ghosts 34, looped it, and added trap drums

mourning joe (voodoo chili), Thursday, 25 April 2019 14:37 (four months ago) link

I think I like this. Is it ok to like this?

brimstead, Thursday, 25 April 2019 15:37 (four months ago) link

its not ok to like anything you fool

frogbs, Thursday, 25 April 2019 15:38 (four months ago) link

no--a dutch producer named youngkio sampled the very beginning of ghosts 34, looped it, and added trap drums

as posted upthread:
https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/hip-hop/8504409/old-town-road-producer-youngkio-interview-lil-nas-x

breastcrawl, Thursday, 25 April 2019 15:46 (four months ago) link

Wonder if Goldenvoice will bring this guy/song out at Stagecoach this weekend.

DT, Thursday, 25 April 2019 20:10 (four months ago) link

i sing the cupcakke remix to myself all day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90aQaAfXeGs

flopson, Thursday, 25 April 2019 20:42 (four months ago) link

the creek boyz remix is def worth hearing too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bXrnvt8KjU

mourning joe (voodoo chili), Thursday, 25 April 2019 20:50 (four months ago) link

this song is good i dont like any of these covers though

ciderpress, Friday, 26 April 2019 00:22 (three months ago) link

Love how a completely non-commercial Nine Inch Nails project can give Reznor/Ross an insane payday.

... (Eazy), Friday, 26 April 2019 00:38 (three months ago) link

c'mon the cupcakke remix is great

flopson, Friday, 26 April 2019 00:42 (three months ago) link

Love how a completely non-commercial Nine Inch Nails project can give Reznor/Ross an insane payday.

― ... (Eazy), Thursday, April 25, 2019 8:38 PM (twenty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I mean, "non-commercial" in that it wasn't an album with hits, but it did establish those two as like THE voice of modern ambient and they've been recruited for movie soundtrack projects that I would guess pay exponentially more than publishing on a streaming hit

ebro the letter (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 26 April 2019 01:09 (three months ago) link

lol the opening lines of the cupcakke remix are classic

dyl, Friday, 26 April 2019 02:32 (three months ago) link

Whatever happened to the Young Thug remix?

ebro the letter (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 26 April 2019 16:34 (three months ago) link

I'm obsessed with this choreography

https://www.facebook.com/PorschaColemanOfficial/videos/10156130072335770/

flamboyant goon tie included, Friday, 26 April 2019 18:44 (three months ago) link

That is fuckin rad

i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 27 April 2019 04:34 (three months ago) link

IF OLD TOWN ROAD WAS A UK DRILL SONG pic.twitter.com/tCzqnp8Bp9

— TMC Tré (@iamTresor) May 2, 2019

... (Eazy), Friday, 3 May 2019 20:07 (three months ago) link

video is here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2Ov5jzm3j8

dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 17 May 2019 16:15 (three months ago) link

i love it

i think ur a controp (voodoo chili), Friday, 17 May 2019 16:23 (three months ago) link

Missing one cameo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUUytUkMGO0

dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 17 May 2019 16:27 (three months ago) link

Much of the contemporary pop country that I've heard seems to only be country on the basis of having been marketed as country and doesn't actually sound a goddamn thing like country to my ears so it seems like if we start challenging the designation a whole lotta 'country' folks could be unhappy about what side of the divide they'll ultimately wind up on.

Blithering Hayseed (Old Lunch), Friday, 17 May 2019 16:32 (three months ago) link

ha -- that McGraw album has a couple of his best tunes (and McGraw's the Dem).

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 17 August 2019 15:09 (one week ago) link

sundown town yikes

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 17 August 2019 15:11 (one week ago) link

wow, I've never heard that term before.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 17 August 2019 15:27 (one week ago) link

"hell right" is also not a term

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Saturday, 17 August 2019 15:29 (one week ago) link

hell right fucking yeah

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Saturday, 17 August 2019 15:30 (one week ago) link

maybe they are trying to make hell right a thing.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 17 August 2019 15:31 (one week ago) link

the song appears to be about the correct way to party ("raise hell right"), which appears to be:

- get twice as drunk as you initially planned
- be a football fan
- play hank williams junior (??) instead of the most popular song in America

so far so fuckheaded, but I'm confused by "a bottle to burn and a fire to light". what does that refer to? molotov cocktails??

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 17 August 2019 15:42 (one week ago) link

It’s def NAGL but I’m inclined to believe Blake in that he HAS made very awkward inroads at genre-crossing and racial harmony (I’ve said this before but this video is a great example of when someone is trying to woke but ends up lowkey racist)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JXAgv665J14

I mean, it could be a Miley sitch of abandoning black culture when it’s not convinient or profitable, but Blake was obv on that country-rap ish six years ago and could probably be milking it idk.

Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, 17 August 2019 15:52 (one week ago) link

fuck bro country

brimstead, Saturday, 17 August 2019 16:41 (one week ago) link

there's absolutely nothing about the 'genre-crossing' nashville-approved country hits that's in any way supportive of racial harmony

dyl, Saturday, 17 August 2019 16:43 (one week ago) link

^ otm

Vape Store (crüt), Saturday, 17 August 2019 16:45 (one week ago) link

except "Old Town Road."

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 17 August 2019 16:52 (one week ago) link

I thought OTR wasn’t Nashville approved!

Vape Store (crüt), Saturday, 17 August 2019 17:14 (one week ago) link

once you get Cyrus it's a chef's kiss

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 17 August 2019 17:16 (one week ago) link

there's absolutely nothing about the 'genre-crossing' nashville-approved country hits that's in any way supportive of racial harmony


I mean, the video makes Shelton’s attempt explicit (though, obviously, not in the most woke or nuanced way)

Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, 17 August 2019 17:25 (one week ago) link

I'm reluctant to give Shelton the benefit of the doubt because he sucks.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 17 August 2019 17:49 (one week ago) link

Hank Jr. is explicitly right wing, explicitly racist, explicitly a piece of shit so saying they turned him on when they could have said Johnny Cash or Willie or whoever is absolutely code

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 17 August 2019 18:21 (one week ago) link

In April 2012, Trace Adkins announced that he was backing Mitt Romney in the presidential election. Part of the reason is that he's a proud supporter of the NRA, and feels Republicans better represent his ideology. “I don’t like the direction that Democrats want to take this country,” he said. “I’ve been a Republican since I registered to vote in 1980.”

In August, Adkins performed a new song called 'Tough People Do' that many wanted to call the "GOP anthem." He sang it at the Republican National Convention, but said it was a song for all people, no matter their political affiliation.

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 17 August 2019 18:24 (one week ago) link

Trace Adkins Set to Perform at Fundraiser Where Donald Trump Will Headline

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 17 August 2019 18:31 (one week ago) link

If racists get triggered by OTR does that mean I have to like it

El Tomboto, Saturday, 17 August 2019 18:33 (one week ago) link

i think whiney is right these civil rights activists definitely deserve the benefit of the doubt

https://www.thedailybeast.com/in-trumps-america-homophobe-blake-shelton-is-the-sexiest-man-alive

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 17 August 2019 18:38 (one week ago) link

Hank Jr. is explicitly right wing, explicitly racist, explicitly a piece of shit so saying they turned him on when they could have said Johnny Cash or Willie or whoever is absolutely code

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, August 17, 2019 2:21 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Hank is pretty much who every country song uses as a signifier though (see "My Church," "How I'll Always Be," "Redneck Crazy," you could really do this forever) -- it's code, but code for "REAL country music, none of that pop crap," which obviously has certain implications baked in, but one step removed.

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Saturday, 17 August 2019 21:26 (one week ago) link

Bullshit that Trace Adkins hasn’t made any good music. The Stubborn One is an all time song.

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Saturday, 17 August 2019 22:29 (one week ago) link

As posted above, there are a whole bunch of "real" country artists, depending on your taste. George Jones, Merle, Willie, Johnny Cash, Hank Sr., Waylon. They just happened to pick the one best known these days for being a reactionary racist.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 17 August 2019 22:54 (one week ago) link

he's he's beenike, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine) at 4:26 17 Aug 19

Hank Jr. is explicitly right wing, explicitly racist, explicitly a piece of shit so saying they turned him on when they could have said Johnny Cash or Willie or whoever is absolutely code

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, August 17, 2019 2:21 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Hank is pretty much who every country song uses as a signifier though (see "My Church," "How I'll Always Be," "Redneck Crazy," you could really do this forever) -- it's code, but code for "REAL country music, none of that pop crap," which obviously has certain implications baked in, but one step removed.

understood, also I believe the relationship between my post and your post is no coincidence

I remember reading this Tape Op interview with Roy Orbison's producer and he's been doing Roy records in Nashville, he gets called into a meeting with Fred Rose from Acuff Rose and a bunch of the founders of Nashville saying quit making n-word music in this town or you're done. to his credit he said fuck you and left

but they tolerated David Allen Coe's racist stuff, dudes like Johnny Rebel existed....parts of country music culture aren't deeply racist, including the Country Boy Can Survive shit everyone loved in my farm town high school

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 17 August 2019 22:57 (one week ago) link

I will defend some of Hank, Jr.'s eighties music too -- tougher than that slushy period allowed.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 18 August 2019 00:18 (one week ago) link

whisky bent and hellbound is great

I just think it's so weird how ilx forever glosses over this stuff with country while ferreting out every way everything else is problematic

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 18 August 2019 01:58 (one week ago) link

You’re ridiculous bringing up David Allen Coe and Johnny Rebel’s dumbass private press mail order underground albums “existing” as an example of anything that has to do with Nashville.

Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 18 August 2019 07:17 (one week ago) link

There’s like exponentially more outwardly racist/fascist punk and metal bands

Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 18 August 2019 07:19 (one week ago) link

I just think it's so weird how ilx forever glosses over this stuff with country while ferreting out every way everything else is problematic

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown)

"Gloss over" is doing a lot of work in this sentence.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 18 August 2019 11:13 (one week ago) link

I heard a Charlie Daniels verse about how drug dealers should be lynched ("Simple Man") on a radio station in Chattanooga last year.

Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 18 August 2019 13:27 (one week ago) link

What, like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMzADAzipow

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 18 August 2019 13:44 (one week ago) link

yes Whiney no shit do you really think there's any possible way I didn't know that?

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 18 August 2019 14:10 (one week ago) link

also feel free to address the articles I posted about yr boy Blake

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 18 August 2019 14:11 (one week ago) link

"You're ridiculous for bringing up David Allen Coe in a conversation about race and country"

*brings up whaddabout Burzum in a conversation about race and country*

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 18 August 2019 14:16 (one week ago) link

also feel free to address the articles I posted about yr boy Blake


My boy sounds like a real dumbass!

Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 18 August 2019 15:12 (one week ago) link

So anyway, are some of you happy now

https://www.billboard.com/articles/business/chart-beat/8527749/billie-eilish-bad-guy-number-one-hot-100

Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 August 2019 20:16 (six days ago) link

Duh!

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 August 2019 20:30 (six days ago) link

Expect several good tweets from both camps are forthcoming

what else are you all “over” (Champiness), Monday, 19 August 2019 20:32 (six days ago) link

Next OTR remix should feature Eilish.

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 19 August 2019 20:43 (six days ago) link

xpost Well yes

congratulations to billie eilish!! u deserve this!!

— nope (@LilNasX) August 19, 2019

Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 August 2019 20:53 (six days ago) link

http://i.ibb.co/94wMYGF/Lil-Nas-x-Time.jpg

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 14:51 (five days ago) link

i'm scared

billstevejim, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 04:59 (four days ago) link

me too. of the meacham and mcgraw article.

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 13:35 (four days ago) link

.@KatyPerry, @LilNasX and @JeffBezos pose together in new photo. pic.twitter.com/wwtt4K8Yt0

— Pop Crave (@PopCrave) August 21, 2019

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 21:04 (four days ago) link

Bezos has a real Matthew Lesko vibe in that one

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 21:46 (four days ago) link

My son asked me tonight if I’ve ever heard of the song “Old Town Road.”

Stub yr toe on the yacht rock (morrisp), Saturday, 24 August 2019 01:34 (yesterday) link

Well, HAVE YOU, you oldster?

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 24 August 2019 01:38 (yesterday) link

Bezos has a real Matthew Lesko vibe in that one

― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Wednesday, August 21, 2019 4:46 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

I learned within the past month that Wall Street floor traders dress in goofy ass clown suits like this

Vape Store (crüt), Saturday, 24 August 2019 01:43 (yesterday) link


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