17 Indie Artists on Their Oddest Odd Jobs That Pay the Bills When Music Doesn’t (not a poll)

the fact that people incubate fetuses for 9 months without getting paid a living wage just blows my mind sometimes ...

in their own bodies? then they deal with having to handle these helpless creatures' filth and clean up after them, and listen to them make painful high-pitched noises .... idk, like, being a musician and not getting paid makes way more sense to me, at least.

weird how no one ever mentions that one of the major factors driving down the value of musician labor is the fact that so many people are willing, even enthusiastic, enough about doing it that they will do it for free. capital exploits this. They don't need to increase anyone's wages because there is literally a vast labor pool that will volunteer to exploit themselves and (perhaps after a little conniving/false promises/duplicitous business practices) give away their goods for free. this is not true of any other kind of labor I can think of.

― Οὖτις, Thursday, April 11, 2019 12:34 PM (forty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is otm, see my 'strikebreaker' comment upthread

also I realized I forgot to post "lol @ Cass being from Concord" upthread

can you explain what this means to us non-west coast people? Is it a wealthy suburb or something, or...?

it's a really boring middle-class suburb -- prob when Cass was growing up it was pretty white and Republican (though it has gotten more liberal in recent years) -- it was immortalized in a Negativland song from one of their earliest albums

the "chorus" was "very stupid, very stupid, very stupid and dumb"

That sums it up, I guess! Now I wanna hear that Negativand song.

It's available for free

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLQ293VZzRc

They are stealing the very food out of the mouths of indie musicians.

wait - are you talking about Negativland or babies?

Both.

ok i will let them know

The Magic Band were living on a cup of lentils a day when they were working on "Trout Mask Replica" but that's apropos of nothing as this thread is a nostalgiac look back to the days when Razorlight were given half a million and six months to hone their important second album.

1. I'm pretty sure that The Magic Band would rather they hadn't been living on a cup of lentils a day, although I'm quite sure a lot of the stories surrounding that album is just bullshit in the name of good old rock mythology.

2. Where did you get that figure from? Loveless cost £250,000 - for some reason I doubt the second Razorlight album cost that much.

she can also make the best album of the year (Feeling...) with just a computer and little else; see also other perennial fgti favourite Total Freedom

I love Total Freedom and think he's a legend. I believe he also works at Chipotle.

1. I'm sure but, you know, there wasn't that much money around, not like the 1990s.
2. You think I know how much the second Razorlight album cost to record?

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I'm pretty sure that The Magic Band would rather they hadn't been living on a cup of lentils a day

uh, that's kinda the point of the post as I read it?

I've just realized Razorlight weren't around in the 1990s!

i didn't know razorlight from a fleshlight -- so I googled them, and it said they formed in 2002

I thought I'd get that in before I'm schooled on the exact date they were formed and the recording costs on their sophomore album.

i think it's also really important for someone to inform us exactly what type of lentils the Trout Mask musicians were eating ... probably more interesting than razorslight

*second album.

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can't believe no one has made a Razorlight vs. A Cup of Lentils (T/S) thread yet

(xp) That's what I said.

Oh, Razorlight were absolute garbage - but an absolute garbage band who somehow managed to have three Top 5 albums and 5 Top 10 hits in their very short lifespan, so I guess they did alright for themselves. I don't believe for one second that any of their albums cost half a million to make, though.

pretty sure they ran on beans tbh xps

Actually it might have been a cup of rice, rather than a cup of lentils.

... nah, definitely (maybe) lentils.

rice vs. beans

mitigating factor: Trout Mask Replica was recorded over the month of Lent.

"Where did you get that figure from? Loveless cost £250,000 - for some reason I doubt the second Razorlight album cost that much."

Perhaps, but a quarter of a million pounds in 1990-91 and a quarter of a million in 2006 are two different things.

Also, Razorlight were on the very huge Vertigo and MBV were on Creation Records, which hadn't been sold to Sony yet (as a direct result of the final bill for the Loveless sessions).

Second Razorlight LP was recorded at British Grove Studios by Chris Thomas, neither of those things are cheap.

Perhaps, but a quarter of a million pounds in 1990-91 and a quarter of a million in 2006 are two different things.

well tbf, the inflation rate between 1991 and 2006 wasn't all that much, £250k in 1991 was £370k in 2006. e.g. compare to 1971 and 1986 (£1.2m!)

i didn't know razorlight from a fleshlight -- so I googled them, and it said they formed in 2002

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this could be a painful mixup

Even accounting for the inflation differences, choice of producer and choice of studio, I'm utterly unconvinced the second Razorlight album cost that much.

It didn't, so can we stop talking about the cost of the second Razorlight album?

facts aside i would like to point out that i was otm in this thread

Young musicians without a rich family should expect their unheard music to remain unheard regardless of its quality. Otherwise, expect the time/cost/effort/thought/creativity/travel/etc invested into the work to be a complete waste.

sad but true

expect the time/cost/effort/thought/creativity/travel/etc invested into the work to be a complete waste.

yr a complete waste

making music is fun!

Beats working for a living, er....

I would estimate that the vast majority of musicians that do manage to make money use PR, or have a label that does. This is another expensive stumbling block that you probably need to get wide coverage in the age of musical saturation.

https://www.ludwig-van.com/toronto/2019/04/09/liszts-ten-composers-who-had-day-jobs/

Classical version. The John Cage one is kind of interesting I think.

Indeed, especially as Cornelius Cardew also worked as a graphic designer.

the idea that making music is a "waste" if it doesn't make money or even if it's never heard is so wrong to me, playing music with people is a joy, especially playing with people and improvising, moments that aren't documented or meant to be....

it's such a sad, joyless way to view life, if you spent an afternoon painting and it was never sold was that a waste?

I don’t work much with rock acts as there isn’t that much to pick from in my city and travelling costs for bands always send the budgets to the moon but I do work with djs and electronic producers and I can tell you it’s very profitable at least on those music genres over here. I don’t know about the culture in the US but at least in Europe and Latinamerica almost every decent dj I know is constantly touring, even the lesser known ones have a fee of 1k + flights and acommodation per night and they don’t split the money with anyone else. I’ve paid 25k for djs (at those levels they do split money with their booking agency) that are booked for practically every weekend of the year and they even charge more on bigger venues.

Since they’re constantly touring they don’t waste much money and there’s no need to be paying rent in a stupidly expensive city like New York. It’s better to just buy an apartment or a house in a less expensive city to go relax to on your downtime.

The Eric Whitacre one is perfect.

it's such a sad, joyless way to view life, if you spent an afternoon painting and it was never sold was that a waste?

No. But what if no one ever looks at it? Is that a waste? I guess it depends on why you're painting.