KNOWER: funky, quirky electro duo with jazz chops Louis Cole and Genevieve Artadi

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Just saw a video somebody posted of their recent New Year's Eve show at Irving Plaza and I got hooked. Some prior discussion here which I will probably c+p
left field prog (roughly)

Spirit of the Voice of the Beehive (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 6 January 2019 18:31 (five months ago) Permalink

the band that plays "prog" that I like the most is called Knower, from LA. It's like prog for people who grew up with Max Tundra -- all over the place production-wise, very fast, quick changes, but firmly rooted in the sonic pallete of techno, dubstep, electro, etc. They also have similarities to a Danish group called Oh No Ono, but they are more straight out prog rock, perhaps with Cardiacs edges

the link above actually reminds me a bit of sleepytime gorilla museum

― Dominique, Monday, March 24, 2014 5:56 PM (four years ago)

Spirit of the Voice of the Beehive (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 6 January 2019 18:34 (five months ago) Permalink

Bass player recently posted a video from Knower's New Year's Eve gig at Irving Plaza and it brought me to this thread. Need to investigate more.

― Spirit of the Voice of the Beehive (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, January 5, 2019 8:24 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

https://music.usc.edu/louis-cole-and-knower/

― Spirit of the Voice of the Beehive (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, January 5, 2019 8:26 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

https://www.facebook.com/marcopanascia/videos/10209934071308381/

― Spirit of the Voice of the Beehive (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, January 5, 2019 8:28 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

knower are goddamn classic, louis cole put out a solo record this year that i would've nommed if there weren't also so many other great records to nom!

― errang (rushomancy), Saturday, January 5, 2019 8:58 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol i never would have expected this to be the thread to hide knower discussion, they're really pretty cool but i've never really thought of them as prog, just synth funk that's very heavy on their jazz chops

― ufo, Sunday, January 6, 2019 4:32 AM (nine hours ago) Bookmark

Spirit of the Voice of the Beehive (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 6 January 2019 18:36 (five months ago) Permalink

half of me loves this band unreservedly and the other half wishes they were a little more consistent. but man they're so good. louis cole is a genius imo. saw them on a bill w kamasai washington + 'vulfpeck' (blehh) @ red rocks last year, good fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2wtxFMhcrY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zH9Zca1vRM

(ADVANCE) (320k vbr) (--V2) (aps) (diVX) (2CD) OST - SB (2019) (esby), Sunday, 6 January 2019 18:45 (five months ago) Permalink

lol, I was listening to wrong band and thinking wtf is this shite. There is another Knower with a track entitled Butts Tits Money which isn't the one this thread is talking about.

calzino, Sunday, 6 January 2019 19:07 (five months ago) Permalink

no, that's the same knower! it's, uh, slightly sarcastic i think?

i missed hearing oh no ono, caribou has a remix of one of their tracks, great stuff!

errang (rushomancy), Sunday, 6 January 2019 19:08 (five months ago) Permalink

I wish I liked this lot more. As it is, can be filed alongside Clarence Clarity in the 'so many ideas, so little emotional effect' category for me

imago, Monday, 7 January 2019 13:36 (five months ago) Permalink

And like Iglooghost

imago, Monday, 7 January 2019 13:43 (five months ago) Permalink

And maybe Palm although I actively loathe Palm and don't think they have any ideas worth discussing

imago, Monday, 7 January 2019 13:44 (five months ago) Permalink

i will never understand where you find the time to actively loathe as much music as you do

errang (rushomancy), Monday, 7 January 2019 15:15 (five months ago) Permalink

I thought you liked it on the other thread!

Spirit of the Voice of the Beehive (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 7 January 2019 15:18 (five months ago) Permalink

There is something cold and robotic and seemingly a little dumbed down yet bursting out all over the place with KNOWER that usually I would resist but here they seem to get the exact right mix to achieve cyborg vitality.

Spirit of the Voice of the Beehive (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 7 January 2019 15:21 (five months ago) Permalink

My impression is that Louis Cole's solo stuff has gotten much more popular than Knower, is that true?

He/they are obviously super talented (and he's a great drummer). But there's something about it bothers me, and it's very much present in the young music school kids I know who love it (and Vulfpeck, etc). Like, there's nothing wrong with having a sense of humor, but it's this combination of being super serious about chops and being able to play at a high level, with simultaneously needing to make it into a joke and maintain an ironic distance. Maybe it feels necessary to undercut the virtuosity, or maybe it has to do with how white kids are now dealing with their love of jazz and funk, idk.

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 7 January 2019 15:51 (five months ago) Permalink

Good post. Can’t speak to your first remark about Louis’s popularity, but it seems possible.

Spirit of the Voice of the Beehive (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 7 January 2019 15:56 (five months ago) Permalink

i don't really feel that, them + stuff like badbadnotgood etc,are trying to be fun touring bands not respect worthy conservatory acts. for these nerdy chopsy types i don't really know if there are a lot of options for how to 'be cool' other than just trying to give ppl a novelty party while yr blasting through yr sick synth basslines

(ADVANCE) (320k vbr) (--V2) (aps) (diVX) (2CD) OST - SB (2019) (esby), Monday, 7 January 2019 18:10 (five months ago) Permalink

also louis has had some dece profile collabs under his name I.e. thundercat, and it's a little tricky telling someone 'I've been listening to this band, knower, you know like no-er, like someone who knows something?' etc.

(ADVANCE) (320k vbr) (--V2) (aps) (diVX) (2CD) OST - SB (2019) (esby), Monday, 7 January 2019 18:15 (five months ago) Permalink

Idk, badbadnotgood started with silly videos and EDM jams, but now seem to be demonstrating taste and restraint at every opportunity?

Thundercat is definitely in the conversation though, as far as fusion shredding + self-deprecating lyrics.

xp

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 7 January 2019 18:17 (five months ago) Permalink

maybe memes are just the point of entry I dunno. could see a more serious direction for cole. he already does some stuff with like snarky puppy

(ADVANCE) (320k vbr) (--V2) (aps) (diVX) (2CD) OST - SB (2019) (esby), Monday, 7 January 2019 18:20 (five months ago) Permalink

him + Genevieve i mean, not to discount her cos she's great too. Cole just seems to be the driving musical force

(ADVANCE) (320k vbr) (--V2) (aps) (diVX) (2CD) OST - SB (2019) (esby), Monday, 7 January 2019 18:25 (five months ago) Permalink

louis cole's solo album was crazy irritating to me, in the same way that thundercat's drunk was. i'd make more time for their stuff if they left out the dumb jokes (like thundercat in his pre-drunk work). that said, gonna check Knower out, if only cause all my musician friends keep begging me to.

bros before HOOS (voodoo chili), Monday, 7 January 2019 18:41 (five months ago) Permalink

I hate Snarky Puppy, definitely not recommending them as an aesthetic alternative.

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 7 January 2019 18:42 (five months ago) Permalink

Yeah another thumbs down for Snarky Puppy

Spirit of the Voice of the Beehive (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 7 January 2019 19:02 (five months ago) Permalink

wfbo

(ADVANCE) (320k vbr) (--V2) (aps) (diVX) (2CD) OST - SB (2019) (esby), Monday, 7 January 2019 19:02 (five months ago) Permalink

i definitely feel like louis cole is somebody who could easily go full-on les claypool, but he hasn't crossed the Wacky Event Horizon for me just yet.

errang (rushomancy), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 00:32 (five months ago) Permalink

I kinda like these guys but there's something a little too twee about them, almost a "hint of Pomplamoose" if you will

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 01:04 (five months ago) Permalink

I wasn’t going to tell you, but I think they even did a collabo with the ‘Moose.

Spirit of the Voice of the Beehive (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 01:08 (five months ago) Permalink

;_;

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 01:08 (five months ago) Permalink

The Pomplamoose/Patreon dude has a YouTube-based funk band that sucks in all these good L.A. musicians.

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 01:24 (five months ago) Permalink

;_;

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 01:35 (five months ago) Permalink

back in the '90s in louisville i used to like this mmw-style jazz trio (i can't even remember their name right now, but they were good) who went on tour backing up days of the new

i'm not going to declare anybody dead to me for playing with skerik or pomplamoose or anybody, really, as long as they're not going on tour with fascists

errang (rushomancy), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 01:35 (five months ago) Permalink

I like that regular KNOWER bass player Sam Wilkes.

Spirit of the Voice of the Beehive (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 01:40 (five months ago) Permalink

FWIW I almost like Vulfpeck, but there's something that always strikes me as a little bit necrophiliac about painstakingly recreating sounds from another era.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 01:41 (five months ago) Permalink

at times they sound almost EXACTLY like Stuff

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 01:45 (five months ago) Permalink

Vulfpeck is so fucking terrible, like some horrid anticeptic corny indie fuxx take on the Meters

they make my skin crawl

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 01:59 (five months ago) Permalink

the way they always make those "we're taking the piss" faces, and it's like, sorry I spent a year in jazz school and I know you guys practice 7 hours a day. You don't practice 7 hours a day to take the piss.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 02:02 (five months ago) Permalink

FWIW I almost like Vulfpeck, but there's something that always strikes me as a little bit necrophiliac about painstakingly recreating sounds from another era.

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive)

haven't heard vulfpeck, but i like the stuff on colemine records, which seems to be pretty much about that. i'm not necrophiliac but i do sometimes wish i was dead, if that counts.

errang (rushomancy), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 02:09 (five months ago) Permalink

yeah, it was a thought that formed watching Sharon Jones & The Dap Kings (who were still 100x better than Vulfpeck) -- not so much Sharon herself, who was incredibly when she was alive, as the backing band, who are great but creep me out a little.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 02:18 (five months ago) Permalink

at times they sound almost EXACTLY like Stuff

Featuring Gordon Edwards on bass, that Stuff?

Spirit of the Voice of the Beehive (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 03:05 (five months ago) Permalink

Yeah, as in Steve Gadd and Stuff

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 03:11 (five months ago) Permalink

Do you mean like Cornell Dupree, that Stuff?

I enjoy Vulfpeck, even though there's a lot about their 'thing' that's definitely annoying, but at least they try to balance it out by featuring session legends (Sandra Crouch, James Gadson, Michael Bland, David T. Walker, etc), those Holy Trinities videos, etc.

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 15:50 (five months ago) Permalink

lol, yes, as in Gordon Edwards, Cornell Dupree, Richard Tee, Eric Gale, Chris Parker and Steve Gadd. I think Vulfpeck sound a ton like them on some songs.

They're very tight and good musicians and I kind of feel like they could be better if they could escape the schtick zone, but I guess it's working for them.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 15:53 (five months ago) Permalink

They're so canny it hurts, from the early Spotify silent album to the 'live video for every song' thing leading up to only dropping the album once X number of vinyl pre-orders come in, etc.

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 15:58 (five months ago) Permalink


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