Musik von Harmonia or Deluxe?

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Poll Results

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Deluxe 33
Musik von Harmonia 20


Karl Malone, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 01:36 (five months ago) Permalink

Deluxe all the way

Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 01:57 (five months ago) Permalink

i have always been a deluxe leaner, as well, but musik von harmonia is sooooooo good too

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 02:05 (five months ago) Permalink

musik von harmonia

global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 02:18 (five months ago) Permalink

I was just listening to Deluxe a few weeks ago. What a glorious album, those hopeful synths combined with primitive drum machines!

. (Michael B), Wednesday, 2 January 2019 02:31 (five months ago) Permalink

the one with "Dino"

sleeve, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 03:14 (five months ago) Permalink

I haven't listened to Deluxe much, it has actual rock sounding stuff doesn't it? Music Via sounds like earth music reflected back by alien spacecraft

brimstead, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 03:52 (five months ago) Permalink

it shares some rock conventions but it's more rockmusik von kraftverk, if kraftwerk were more majestic

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 03:58 (five months ago) Permalink

musik von harmonia has watussi so

the late great, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 05:26 (five months ago) Permalink

deluxe has a top-5 all-time record cover

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 2 January 2019 14:59 (five months ago) Permalink

I remember someone describing "Immer Wieder" as being sung by zombies and I've never been able to stop thinking about that when I hear it

For me this is obviously Deluxe, as good as the other record is, Deluxe is just good vibes all the way through

frogbs, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 15:02 (five months ago) Permalink

Deluxe

Never Turn Your Back On Virginia Woolf (Tom D.), Wednesday, 2 January 2019 16:36 (five months ago) Permalink

"Musik von Harmonia" seems more collaborative, whereas "Deluxe" starts off as Rother and turns into Cluster towards the end.

Never Turn Your Back On Virginia Woolf (Tom D.), Wednesday, 2 January 2019 16:37 (five months ago) Permalink

Deluxe is my choice, but this is nearly like picking my favorite child.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 2 January 2019 16:44 (five months ago) Permalink

have always leaned deluxe but this is tough as hell tbh

live 1974 also outstanding

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(⊙_⊙?) (original bgm), Wednesday, 2 January 2019 17:11 (five months ago) Permalink

Deluxe
all time top 10 record for me

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 2 January 2019 17:49 (five months ago) Permalink

can't make my mind up here.

calzino, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 17:52 (five months ago) Permalink

musik von

J. Sam, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 19:16 (five months ago) Permalink

Going with Musik Von.

emil.y, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 19:24 (five months ago) Permalink

the 'von' signifies that musik von harmonia is nobly born, so

mookieproof, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 19:38 (five months ago) Permalink

"Deluxe" starts off as Rother and turns into Cluster towards the end.

That's exactly why I love it so much!

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 20:43 (five months ago) Permalink

You have already voted for watussi in this poll and cannot vote again for watussi

the late great, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 21:14 (five months ago) Permalink

Love them both, but Deluxe was my intro to the whole glorious genre.

screator, Thursday, 3 January 2019 06:08 (five months ago) Permalink

deeeeeeluxe

flappy bird, Thursday, 3 January 2019 17:06 (five months ago) Permalink

although i have a harmonia LP i like more that i can't remember the name of

flappy bird, Thursday, 3 January 2019 17:06 (five months ago) Permalink

Documents 1975

flappy bird, Thursday, 3 January 2019 17:07 (five months ago) Permalink

^^ so good

sleeve, Thursday, 3 January 2019 17:09 (five months ago) Permalink

tracks and traces also

koogs, Thursday, 3 January 2019 17:10 (five months ago) Permalink

Documents 1975

― flappy bird

agreed, i thought about posting this myself but didn't want to be challopsy

errang (rushomancy), Thursday, 3 January 2019 17:18 (five months ago) Permalink

i haven't heard documents 1975! i will give it a good listen tonight.

Karl Malone, Thursday, 3 January 2019 17:47 (five months ago) Permalink

i have written and deleted several different posts about Watussi and how it works (or doesn't) as the opening song of musik von. i love it, and it still sounds utterly alien today so i imagine it must have been mindblowing to hear in 1974. it's also very repetitive, even by harmonia standards, and kind of functions as a palate cleanser to whatever was playing beforehand.

Karl Malone, Thursday, 3 January 2019 17:49 (five months ago) Permalink

i have identified watussi as a good song for beginning drummers -- the reliable repetition gives the buoyance and freedom to try improvising a little, and it's not too fast
and there are no words

and it is awesome

cannot choose between these
we are blessed with both so we are the real winners of this poll

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 3 January 2019 17:56 (five months ago) Permalink

Deluxe (Immer Weiter), on the other hand, is one of the best opening songs...OF ALL TIME. i think i said 'majestic' upthread but it's hard to think of something more fitting. it makes me feel like a king even when i'm sitting around drunk in my underwear. it's a long song, but the harmonia repetition creates such a vivid sense of scale that the length feels wholly necessary. it's hard to believe that it's still the same song by the time the main theme returns just before the 9 minute mark, but it brings the goosebumps every time because it's like slowly descending down the grand staircase back to the main hall of a mansion. there's a heavy autobahn influence here, too, in the way that the underlying rhythmic beat mainly comes from synths bouncing between octaves, and the descending synth squelches marking the ending and beginning of key motifs.

krautrock is kind of a weird genre to pin down because of the huge variety of styles, and maybe it's silly to even attempt to do so. but if someone wanted to know what "krautrock" sounded like i think Immer Weiter might be the best example. it's got a little bit of everything that defines the genre.

Karl Malone, Thursday, 3 January 2019 18:04 (five months ago) Permalink

cannot choose between these
we are blessed with both so we are the real winners of this poll

OTM

Karl Malone, Thursday, 3 January 2019 18:05 (five months ago) Permalink

Z + LL OTM

These albums are so fucking good. Man!

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Thursday, 3 January 2019 19:04 (five months ago) Permalink

I am in the 'we are blessed to have both' camp but hey, it's Deluxe :)

Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Thursday, 3 January 2019 20:45 (five months ago) Permalink

Deluxe > Live 1974 > Musik von Harmonia > Tracks and Traces is how I break it down to an extent

I haven't heard Documents 1975 yet

Brad C., Friday, 4 January 2019 01:18 (five months ago) Permalink

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Karl Malone, Friday, 4 January 2019 01:46 (five months ago) Permalink

I had MvH for ages before I got Deluxe (when they were only available as Japanese import CDs in Rough Trade), so I guess that's the sentimental choice but yeah, how can you do this really?

No, *there's* (Noel Emits), Friday, 4 January 2019 07:47 (five months ago) Permalink

it makes me feel like a king even when i'm sitting around drunk in my underwear.

That seems like a good lackmus test for a "majestic" song. I have never been drunk enough - or have been too drunk - to sit around in my underwear though. ;-)

Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Friday, 4 January 2019 08:24 (five months ago) Permalink

top reason I shouldn't vote = I even like the Harmonia & Eno remix album

Milton Parker, Friday, 4 January 2019 21:18 (five months ago) Permalink

Z, I love that series of photos so much.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 4 January 2019 22:58 (five months ago) Permalink

👍 Would chill.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 4 January 2019 23:18 (five months ago) Permalink

Have been meaning to listen to these for years but getting around to it after seeing this thread pop up. I'm getting up there in the years and finding a sound/music that feels utterly fresh/alien to me is so rare, but boy, the second "Watussi" started playing I had such a happy grin through that hole album.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Saturday, 5 January 2019 01:24 (five months ago) Permalink

that's great! i generally think that one of my most useless "skills" is the ability to identify the general time period of a song, tv show, or movie based upon various characteristics. Watussi, for me, is notably timeless. it really does sound fresh and contemporary, even today. usually the presence of electronic elements in a song just makes it even easier to identify the time period. in this case the drums are treated in a way that makes them sound retro even before most bands even considered using electronic drums. it's just bewildering.

what's also crazy is that the same can be said of cluster's "Hollywood", released in the same year! they were on a fucking roll in 1974

Karl Malone, Saturday, 5 January 2019 01:45 (five months ago) Permalink

consider this run

Harmonia: Music von Harmonia (1974)
Harmonia: Live 1974 (this rules)
Cluster - Zuckerzeit (1974)
Harmonia: Deluxe (1975)
Neu!: Neu! 75

(also neu! 2 (73) and sowiesoso (76), depending on your affection for those albums)

Karl Malone, Saturday, 5 January 2019 06:05 (five months ago) Permalink

there are ppl that don’t like sowiesoso? I prefer it to zuckerzeit, personally.

(⊙_⊙?) (original bgm), Sunday, 6 January 2019 16:22 (five months ago) Permalink

A lot of people agree with you. I don't.

Never Turn Your Back On Virginia Woolf (Tom D.), Sunday, 6 January 2019 17:33 (five months ago) Permalink

I do. I find the noisier tracks on "Zuckerzeit" take me out of the moment whereas "Sowiesoso" is utterly transportive for it's entirety.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 6 January 2019 18:03 (five months ago) Permalink

feels similar to music von vs deluxe to me. both clearly great records, one a little rawer, more primitive, maybe colder. techno vs house. maybe i’m just a softie.

(⊙_⊙?) (original bgm), Sunday, 6 January 2019 18:04 (five months ago) Permalink

my terrible secret is that i left Sowiesoso as an option on the Run of Greatness just because i just haven't listened to it as much as the others. for some reason, in my first wave of listening to all this stuff back in the day i had some trouble tracking down the mp3s for sowiesoso. so sorry, sowiesoso

Karl Malone, Sunday, 6 January 2019 18:22 (five months ago) Permalink

personally i think the first two cluster albums are a lot better than zuckerzeit and sowieso and everything by neu

i suppose that's why i prefer musik von harmonia so strongly to deluxe

deluxe just sounds like guys in a band

the late great, Sunday, 6 January 2019 19:27 (five months ago) Permalink

i mean there's a lot of music by guys in a band that i enjoy, don't get me wrong

it's just that if i want to hear music by guys in a band i don't generally reach for the krautrock records and vice versa

the late great, Sunday, 6 January 2019 19:31 (five months ago) Permalink

Not sure what that means.

Never Turn Your Back On Virginia Woolf (Tom D.), Sunday, 6 January 2019 19:34 (five months ago) Permalink

it just means i would rather hear sculptors of cosmic noise rather than hairy dudes playing stretched out rock music

the late great, Sunday, 6 January 2019 19:36 (five months ago) Permalink

I thought that was roughly what you meant, but I don't think any of Cluster is like that though. I suppose Can is right out then?

Never Turn Your Back On Virginia Woolf (Tom D.), Sunday, 6 January 2019 19:38 (five months ago) Permalink

blessed hedge

https://i.imgur.com/kYfRoe7.jpg

Karl Malone, Sunday, 6 January 2019 19:41 (five months ago) Permalink

if i'm going to listen to rock music, i would rather it not sound as though sung by zombies

i know the prevailing wisdom is that these guys were at their best when they were balancing their atonal impulses with their musical aspirations, coming back down to earth, whatever

it's just coming back down to earth sounds like a boring trip to me

earth music reflected back by alien spacecraft

^^ brimstead put it well, i keep coming back to this

the late great, Sunday, 6 January 2019 19:44 (five months ago) Permalink

If Deluxe won't win i'd lose faith in humanity. But it will so i won't.

nostormo, Sunday, 6 January 2019 19:44 (five months ago) Permalink

xp i like can a lot! it probably doesn't make sense, but i don't really think of can as existing in the same musical space as cluster / harmonia / neu ... i think of them more as a prog group, despite their german origins.

the late great, Sunday, 6 January 2019 19:50 (five months ago) Permalink

They're not really in the same space, true, they're more like, er, hairy dudes playing stretched out rock music!

Never Turn Your Back On Virginia Woolf (Tom D.), Sunday, 6 January 2019 19:57 (five months ago) Permalink

sometimes! but they had their share of concise moments too.

maybe stretched out wasn't the right word, though.

how about ... enervated? they just get so hushed around 74-75. zuckerzeit and sowieso sound like you're waking up in a dewey meadow after an alien abduction, and these guys are trying to play their krautrock reaaaally softly to avoid disturbing the fawns and baby ducklings. deluxe is like you're awake now and you've had your coffee but you're listening to your krautrock at half volume and through a sweatshirt wrapped around your head because you don't want to aggravate your hangover.

the late great, Sunday, 6 January 2019 20:03 (five months ago) Permalink

personally i think the first two cluster albums are a lot better than zuckerzeit and sowieso and everything by neu

cluster 1 + 2 are very cool but I file them as kluster records mentally, almost like a different band

(⊙_⊙?) (original bgm), Sunday, 6 January 2019 22:06 (five months ago) Permalink

sowiesoso is GREAT

my personal favorite Cluster is Grosses Wasser though
Isodea!!

love this zuckerzeit and sowieso sound like you're waking up in a dewey meadow after an alien abduction, and these guys are trying to play their krautrock reaaaally softly to avoid disturbing the fawns and baby ducklings

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 6 January 2019 22:55 (five months ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Monday, 7 January 2019 00:01 (five months ago) Permalink

i'd never heard of these records or this band before karl mentioned them last week. krautrock is a vast universe and i only know a few small parts of it. these are good! first listen i'd probably lean toward musik von harmonia but i plan to listen again today

marcos, Monday, 7 January 2019 15:17 (five months ago) Permalink

voted mvh

nxd, Monday, 7 January 2019 15:36 (five months ago) Permalink

huuuuge family tree of this stuff (actually just the kraftwerk branch)

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/41/38/bf/4138bff442e91cb84ff4a7669153dad4.jpg

koogs, Monday, 7 January 2019 17:03 (five months ago) Permalink

wow that's cool, I didn't know Tietchens was in Liliental. been pretty obsessed with his work lately.

sleeve, Monday, 7 January 2019 17:14 (five months ago) Permalink

Love that Liliental album.

Never Turn Your Back On Virginia Woolf (Tom D.), Monday, 7 January 2019 18:02 (five months ago) Permalink

love that family tree! i had totally forgotten that kluster grew out of an earlier era of Tangerine Dream

Karl Malone, Monday, 7 January 2019 19:39 (five months ago) Permalink

Love that DIE (b)ENGEL DES HERRN is a dead end. Still looking for a physical copy of that one that I can afford.

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 7 January 2019 20:00 (five months ago) Permalink

Sowiesoso is neck and neck with deluxe for me, probably my two favorite German records

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Monday, 7 January 2019 21:03 (five months ago) Permalink

me too

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 7 January 2019 23:04 (five months ago) Permalink

they're all something

CLUSTER / Moebius & Roedelius solo & group recordings 1970-1986 poll

+ three archivals released since 2011. and it's arbitrary to leave 'Ludwig's Law' & 'En Route' off the list since they were recorded 1983 / 1986

Cluster - Konzerte 1972-1977 (2017)
Roedelius - Tape Archive 1973-1978 (2014)
Moebius / Plank / Steffen - Live in Mexico 1986 (2013)

Milton Parker, Monday, 7 January 2019 23:42 (five months ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 00:01 (five months ago) Permalink

Pleased with these results, though I expected it to be closer.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 00:05 (five months ago) Permalink

It's great there's 53 of us with an opinion!

I reviewed the Live 1974 album again - I like it but it doesn't burrow into my brain like the rest of their work.

I have Roedelius - Selbsportrait I coming in the mail soon and am working my way through all his Sky albums.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 02:46 (five months ago) Permalink

Maybe time to revive this? I've not had enough kosmische/Krautrock in my life recently!
KRAUTROCK Listening Klub! - New Albums Every Wednesday

Neil S, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 09:32 (five months ago) Permalink


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