ILX Metal n' Heavy Rock Poll 2018: NOMINATIONS thread - open till Jan. 19th, 2019!

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Yes, it's that time again. Nominate all you like. The spreadsheet will be updated regularly until January 19th after which point nominations will be closed.

Please nominate below in the usual format: Artist - Album. Please ctrl-f the thread to avoid listing duplicates!

The spreadsheet:

We also have an open Spotify playlist which anyone is free to populate:

The plan this time around is to leave the voting/campaigning period open till after the main trax/album polls close. This should give everyone plenty of time to campaign, bitch, pick up new faves, and VOTE at their own pace.

slack thompson (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 31 December 2018 18:49 (five months ago) Permalink

Should Beastmaker's 10 EPs be nominated as a block, or each EP nominated separately? I'm inclined to nominate all 10 as one thing.

grawlix (unperson), Monday, 31 December 2018 18:56 (five months ago) Permalink

Ages of Atrophy - The Great Ascendancy Fraud
Ancestors - Suspended in Reflections
Cryogenic Defilement - Worldwide Extermination
Deracinated - Adoration of Decaying Carrion
Dysmorfectomy - Disembodied Anomalies
Enblood - Cast to Exile
Expulsed - Kingdom of Desolation
Facelift Deformation - Dominating the Extermination
Habitual Depravity - Realms of Abysmal Servitude
Ineffable Demise - Beyond the Marrow Gates
Irreversible Mechanism - Immersion
Messa - Feast for Water
Post Mortal Possession - Perpetual Descent
Posthuman Abomination - Transcending Embodiment

grawlix (unperson), Monday, 31 December 2018 19:04 (five months ago) Permalink

Go ahead and treat them as one nomination xp

slack thompson (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 31 December 2018 19:07 (five months ago) Permalink

Same will go for the 2 Panopticon albums

slack thompson (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 31 December 2018 19:08 (five months ago) Permalink

A few albums I like:

ST 37 - ST 37
The Armed - Only Love
Pharaoh Overlord - Zero
Yamantaka//Sonic Titan - Dirt
Yawningman - The Revolt Against Tired Noises
Deep Space Destructors - Visions from the Void

slack thompson (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 31 December 2018 19:10 (five months ago) Permalink

Beastmaker - EPs 1-10

grawlix (unperson), Monday, 31 December 2018 19:13 (five months ago) Permalink

Yay, thank you for doing this! Will sort out some nominations soon.

tangenttangent, Monday, 31 December 2018 19:23 (five months ago) Permalink

Apparently nominations should be bolded. My mistake; I'm the new guy!

Yob - Our Raw Heart
Sleep - The Sciences
Ghost - Prequelle
Thy Catafalque - Geometria
Mournful Congregation - The Incubus of Karma
Pillorian - Obsidian Arc
Khorada - Salt
Evoken - Hypnagogia

slack thompson (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 31 December 2018 19:27 (five months ago) Permalink

ok i'm new to this, are there nom limits? if so what are they?

errang (rushomancy), Monday, 31 December 2018 19:29 (five months ago) Permalink

Anicon - Entropy Mantra
Argonavis - Passing the Igneous Maw
Basalte - Vertige
Burial Invocation - Abiogenesis
Churchburn - None Shall Live… The Hymns of Misery
Convocation - Scars Across
Convulsing - Grievous
Deafheaven - Ordinary Corrupt Human Love
Det eviga leendet - Lenience
Esoctrilihum - Inhüma
Fluisteraars / Turia - De Oord
Funeral Mist - Hekatomb
Hamferð - Támsins likam
Hooded Menace - Ossuarium Silhouettes Unhallowed
Horrendous - Idol
Imperial Triumphant - Vile Luxury
Infernal Coil - Within a World Forgotten
Iskandr - Euprosopon
Kriegsmaschine - Apocalypticists
Mare - Ebony Tower
Ordinul Negru - Faustian Nights
Paara - Riitti
Sacrificed Alliance - Withdrawn
Scorched - Ecliptic Butchery
Severoth - When the Night Falls…
Skeletal Remains - Devouring Mortality
Skullcave - FEAR
Sunsunmoon - Demons in Medieval Times
Tomb Mold - Manor of Infinite Forms
Ungfell - Mythen, Mären, Pestilenz
Varathron - Patriarchs of Evil
Vargrav - Netherstorm
Voodus - Into the Wild
Wayfarer - World’s Blood
Wormlight - Wrath of the Wilds
Xenoblight - Procreation

pomenitul, Monday, 31 December 2018 19:32 (five months ago) Permalink

Would've also nominated Messa and Evoken if it hadn't been done already.

pomenitul, Monday, 31 December 2018 19:33 (five months ago) Permalink

i'm also new to reading apparently it's right there in the first post

Self Harm - Adapt to Self-Inflicted Chemical Torture
Abhorrence - Megalohydrothalassophobic
Azath - Demo 2018
Dead Void - The Looming Spectre
Gotsu Totsu Kotsu - The Final Stand
Madder Mortem - Marrow
Lecherous Nocturne - Occultaclysmic
Entropia - Vacuum
Ragana/Thou - Let Our Names Be Forgotten
Teleport - The Expansion
Windhand - Eternal Return
Blackwater Holylight - s/t
Minami Deutsch - With Dim Light
Ramble Tamble - Outlaw Overtones
Spiny Normen - S/T
Uncle Acid and the Deadbeats - Wasteland

errang (rushomancy), Monday, 31 December 2018 19:36 (five months ago) Permalink

let's go ahead and get some more noms out of the way

Svartidauði - Revelations of the Red Sword
Vermilia - Kätkyt
Zeal & Ardor - Stranger Fruit
Panopticon - The Scars of Man on the Once Nameless Wilderness I And II
Feminazgul - The Age of Men is Over
Neckbeard Deathcamp - White Nationalism is for Basement Dwelling Losers

i know somebody was going to nom neckbeard deathcamp, figured i might as well get it over with

errang (rushomancy), Monday, 31 December 2018 19:39 (five months ago) Permalink

Hamferð - Támsins likam

― pomenitul

i hope these guys become famous and bad so i can snidely refer to them as "hamtaro"

errang (rushomancy), Monday, 31 December 2018 19:41 (five months ago) Permalink

It came out in 2017 but given its impact this year, I'd also like to nominate:

Threatin - Breaking the World

pomenitul, Monday, 31 December 2018 19:42 (five months ago) Permalink

I think it's pronounced 'hamferth'.

pomenitul, Monday, 31 December 2018 19:43 (five months ago) Permalink

Or 'hamferd'. Any Faroese among us?

pomenitul, Monday, 31 December 2018 19:45 (five months ago) Permalink

no, but wikipedia has some light to shed on it

i'm not going to pronounce that letter as a "d" because it might be taken as offensive

errang (rushomancy), Monday, 31 December 2018 19:59 (five months ago) Permalink

i suppose i could do "hamfart", that would be sufficiently juvenile

errang (rushomancy), Monday, 31 December 2018 19:59 (five months ago) Permalink

Ferð is apparently cognate with the German Fahrt and the obsolete English word ferd, which means 'journey'/'voyage' and/or 'army'/'host'/'company'.

pomenitul, Monday, 31 December 2018 20:03 (five months ago) Permalink

Wouldn't be surprised if the ham were cognate with home. So 'the company's trip back to the homeland' or some such.

pomenitul, Monday, 31 December 2018 20:05 (five months ago) Permalink

Likely involves quite a few hamfarts tbf.

pomenitul, Monday, 31 December 2018 20:05 (five months ago) Permalink

Frozen Crown - The Fallen King
HYVMINE - Earthquake
Obliteration, Cenotaph Obscure
Summoning, With Doom We Come
The Lion's Daughter, Future Cult

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 31 December 2018 20:51 (five months ago) Permalink

BTW, even though I got a shit-ton of metal promos this year, I didn't nominate any of those albums. Everything you see above is stuff I purchased on Bandcamp. I would be interested to know which nominated albums other people actually bought.

grawlix (unperson), Monday, 31 December 2018 21:07 (five months ago) Permalink

ASG - Survive Sunrise
awakebutstillinbed - what people call low self-esteem is really just seeing yourself the way that other people see you
Daughters - You Won't Get What You Want
Earthless - Black Heaven
Entropia - Vacuum
High On Fire - Electric Messiah
Sorcier des glaces - Sorcier des glaces
SUMAC - Love in Shadow
Sumac & Keiji Haino - Keep Facing Sideways, You're Too Hideous To Look At Face On
The Skull - The Endless Road Turns Dark
The Body - I Have Fought Against It, but I Can't Any Longer.
Turnstile - Time & Space

Oor Neechy, Tuesday, 1 January 2019 00:28 (five months ago) Permalink

Tribulation - Down Below
Gorycz - Piach
Khanus - Flammarion
KEN Mode - Loved
Aura Noir - Aura Noire
Demonomancy - Poisoned Atonement
Lie in Ruins - Demise
Deszcz - III
Taphos - Come Ethereal Somberness
Golgothan Remains - Perverse Offerings to the Void
Lychgate - The Contagion in Nine Steps
Black Salvation - Uncertainty Is Bliss

I'm old-fashioned enough that I still like to own music. These were all purchased.

o. nate, Tuesday, 1 January 2019 02:15 (five months ago) Permalink

Acherontas - Faustian Ethos
Act of Impalement - Perdition Cult
Ails - The Unraveling
Archgoat - The Luciferian Crown
Ataraxy - Where All Hope Fades
The Crown - Cobra Speed Venom
Daemogog - Anagogic Imposition
Dark Buddha Rising - II
Deiquisitor - Downfall of the Apostates
Druid Lord - Grotesque Offerings
Genocide Pact - Order of Torment
Ghastly - Death Velour
Grafjammer - Schalm & Schabauw
Ilsa - Corpse Fortress
Immortal - Northern Chaos Gods
Lago - Sea of Duress
LLNN - Deads
Morgengrau - Blood Oracle
Mortuous - Through Wilderness
Moss Upon The Skull - In Vengeful Reverence
Nachash - Phantasmal Triunity
Pact - Enigmata
Pharaoh Overlord - Zero
Pink Mist - Pink Mist
Portal - ION
Rebel Wizard - Voluptuous Worship of Rapture and Response
Rites Of Thy Degringolade - The Blade Philosophical
Ritual Necromancy - Disinterred Horror
Scumpulse - Rotten
Sepulcher - Panoptic Horror
Serpents Lair - Perpetual Hunger
Sonic Poison - Combat Grind
Sulaco - The Prize
Urfaust - The Constellatory Practice
Usurpress - Interregnum
Voivod - The Wake
Wolvhammer - Monuments of Ash and Bone

blood, loud screaming and nudity (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 07:45 (five months ago) Permalink

Some quick campaigning:

Sonic Poison is from very late last year and is wonderfully septic death/grind that sounds very Repulsion-influenced. Someone needs to cram this and their Harsh Demonstration tapes onto disc.

The Scumpulse album is a catchy, melodic crust/black/death hybrid that might appeal to Carcass fans.

Grafjammer isn't anything new but if you like early Carpathian Forest or Darkthrone's punky/thrashy era it's worth it. Played with vehemence.

Nachash is really good black metal album, occulty but not tediously orthodox, great epic song structures and it doesn't feel like they only listen to black metal.

blood, loud screaming and nudity (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 08:00 (five months ago) Permalink

Atka - Untitled Album 1

errang (rushomancy), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 08:20 (five months ago) Permalink

Howling Sycamore - Howling Sycamore

blood, loud screaming and nudity (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 08:33 (five months ago) Permalink

Khemmis - Desolation

Oor Neechy, Tuesday, 1 January 2019 21:16 (five months ago) Permalink

Judas Priest - Firepower

Oor Neechy, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 16:49 (five months ago) Permalink

Here you go!

Ad Hominem - Napalm For All
Ævangelist - Matricide in the Temple of Omega
Alkaloid - Liquid Anatomy
All Souls - All Souls
American Nightmare - American Nightmare
Anomalie - Integra
Anvil - Pounding The Pavement
Arkona - Khram
At The Gates - To Drink From The Night Itself
The Atlas Moth - Coma Noir
Author & Punisher - Beastland
Behemoth - I Loved You at your Darkest
Beyond Creation - Algorythm
Black Tusk - T.C.B.T.
Burn The Priest - Legion: XX
Cauldron - New Gods
Clamfight - III
Cloud Rat - Clipped Beaks // Silk Panic
Conan - Existential Void Guardian
Corrosion of Conformity - No Cross No Crown
Crippled Black Phoenix - Great Escape
Dead Alone - Serum
Deathwhite - For a Black Tomorrow
Deceased - Ghostly White
Devil Master - Manifestations
Dimmu Borgir - Oenian
Drudkh - They Often See Dreams About the Spring
Esben And The Witch - Nowhere
Exmortus - The Sound of Steel
Exxxekutioner - Death Sentence
Eye of Nix - Black Somnia
Frost Giant - The Harlot Star
Graveyard - Peace
Gygax - Second Edition
Haan - By the Grace of Blood and Guts
Hate Eternal - Upon Desolate Sands
Hellish - The Spectre of Lonely Souls
The HIRS Collective - Friends. Lovers. Favorites.
Horn - Retrograd
Hyborian - Hyborian, Vol. 1
Ihsahn - Ámr
ION - A Path Unknown
Isenordal - Spectral Embrace
Korpiklaani - Kulkija
Legend of the Seagullmen - Legend of the Seagullmen
Sarah Longfield - Disparity
Marduk - Viktoria
Melan Selas - Reon
Melvins - Pinkus Abortion Technician
Memoriam - The Silent Vigil
Mesarthim - The Density Parameter
Mirrors For Psychic Warfare - I See What I Became
Mob Terror - Superstimulus
Monster Magnet - Mindfucker
Nechochwen - The Ancient Pulse
New Ruins - New Ruins
Obscura - Diluvium
The Ocean - Phanerozoic I: Palaeozoic
Of Feather And Bone - Bestial Hymns of Perversion
Orange Goblin - The Wolf Bites Back
Outer Heaven - Realms of Eternal Decay
Parasite Inc. - Dead and Alive
Primordial - Exile Amongst the Ruins
Rauhnåcht - Unterm Gipfelthron
Rotting Christ - Their Greatest Spells
Sargeist - Unbound
Satan - Cruel Magic
Saxon - Thunderbolt
Sektarism - Fils de Dieu
Septic Tank - Rotting Civilisation
Sigh - Heir To Despair
Sinistro - Sangue Cássia
Skeletonwitch - Devouring Radiant Light
Skinless - Savagery
Slugdge - Esoteric Malacology
Spiders - Killer Machine
Spiral Skies - Blues For A Dying Planet
Stone Deaf - Royal Burnout
A Storm Of Light - Anthroscene
Sylvaine - Atoms Aligned, Coming Undone
Tad - Quick And Dirty
Tengger Cavalry - Cian Bi
Thou - Magus
Tile - Come on Home, Stranger
To End It All - Scourge of Woman
Trappist - Ancient Brewing Tactics
Uniform - The Long Walk
Unreqvited - Stars Wept to the Sea
Veiled - Black Celestial Orbs
Venom - Storm the Gates
Vitamin X - Age Of Paranoia
Vreid - Lifehunger
Vulcain - Vinyle
Wake - Misery Rites
Watain - Trident Wolf Eclipse
Witch Mountain - Witch Mountain
Witching - Witching
Witchsorrow - Hexenhammer
Wrong - Feel Great
Würm - Exhumed
Ygfan - Hamvakból…
Zeke - Hellbender

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Wednesday, 2 January 2019 19:49 (five months ago) Permalink

Closer - All This Will Be
Senyawa - Sujud
Gouge Away - Burnt Sugar
Jóhann Jóhannsson - Mandy (Original Motion Picture Soundtrack)
Gnaw Their Tongues - Genocidal Majesty
Daughters - You Won’t Get What You Want
Andrew W.K. - You’re Not Alone

gman59, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 19:52 (five months ago) Permalink

I'm just now listening to new Sunwatchers; I might have to nominate this one as well

slack thompson (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 3 January 2019 00:58 (five months ago) Permalink

Gorod - Æthra

Dinsdale, Thursday, 3 January 2019 05:07 (five months ago) Permalink

Pig Destroyer - Head Cage

Oor Neechy, Thursday, 3 January 2019 19:24 (five months ago) Permalink

I didn't make a list this year but I'll be sure to play the home game. I will say however that this little album I only discovered the other day thanks to another forum's roundup is brilliant enough for me to sneak in here and nominate. A whacked out reimagining of Aspera Hiems Symfonia with a dead ringer for Aldrahn on vox. Apparently they've been around for a while, on Nordvis no less (owner is the aforementioned dead ringer, I think), so I dunno how I'd missed them.

Stilla - Synviljor

Devilock, Thursday, 3 January 2019 20:47 (five months ago) Permalink

Actually there's a lot more to that Stilla than I suggested -- it's got some DHG/Moonfog elements, some Blaze in the Northern Sky guitar dirge howling, and a generally weird ambience that makes me think of Hordanes Land. But it's Swedish!

Devilock, Thursday, 3 January 2019 21:01 (five months ago) Permalink

oh wow didn't even know there was a new Stilla this year! Thanks.

blood, loud screaming and nudity (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 3 January 2019 21:16 (five months ago) Permalink

Serpent Column - Invicta

blood, loud screaming and nudity (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Friday, 4 January 2019 08:41 (five months ago) Permalink

wow, so many of mine are in already. only a few slipped through the cracks

Altars of Grief - Iris
Between the Buried and Me - Automata I and II
Bonjour Tristesse - Your Ultimate Urban Nightmare
Chrch - Light Will Consume Us All
Dautha - Brethren of the Black Soil
Eigenlicht - Self-Annihilating Consciousness
Eneferens - The Bleakness of our Constant
Harms Way - Posthuman
High Tension - Purge
Huntsmen - American Scrap
Kalmah - Palo
Mammoth Grinder - Cosmic Crypt
MØL - Jord
Respire - Denouement
Ultha - The Inextricable Wandering
Vein - Errorzone
Visigoth - Conqueror's Oath

resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 4 January 2019 14:28 (five months ago) Permalink

I'm a bit disappointed neither you nor imago have tried to make the case for Tropical Fuck Storm yet tbrr

slack thompson (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 4 January 2019 18:37 (five months ago) Permalink

Anyways, a few more noms:

CB3 - From Nothing to Eternity
Dylan Carson - Conquistador
DMBQ - Keeenly

slack thompson (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 4 January 2019 18:39 (five months ago) Permalink

they're slightly too much not for this thread xp

imago, Friday, 4 January 2019 18:45 (five months ago) Permalink

yeah I'm not gonna do that. gonna work like hell to get them into the 77 tho

resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 4 January 2019 18:46 (five months ago) Permalink

it is a done deal imo but yeah, think top 20

imago, Friday, 4 January 2019 18:49 (five months ago) Permalink

A Forest of Stars - Grave Mounds and Grave Mistakes
Æthĕrĭa Conscĭentĭa - Tales from Hydhradh
Altar of Perversion - Intra Naos
Basarabian Hills - Eerie Light of Fireflies
Benthik Zone - Causa modicum temporis spatium
BHL/Kallathon - Camino de Guerra
Dispirit - Enantiodromian Birth
Dunnock - Little Stories Told by Ghosts
Echtra -BardO
Ehnahre & Hadean - Rites for Winter
El Efecto - Memórias do fogo
Esoctrilihum - Pandaemorthium (Forbidden Formulas to Awaken the Blind Sovereigns of Nothingness)
Estuarine - Sic Erat Scriptum
Faal - Desolate Grief
Geryon - Astomatous
Grave Upheaval - (untitled)
In the Woods... - Cease the Day
Inhumankind - Self-Extinction
Kły - Szczerzenie
Mahr - Antelux
Mamaleek - Out of Time

obnoxious pun (ultros ultros-ghali), Saturday, 5 January 2019 15:21 (five months ago) Permalink

Marax - The Abyss of Illusions
Monolithe - Nebula Septem
Monotheist - Scourge
Nahtrunar - Mysterium Tremendum
Nishaiar - Igewanda
Nishaiar - Irix Zerius
Onirism - Falling Moon
Ophidian Forest - votIVe
Panegyrist - Hierurgy
Soldat Hans - es taut
Spectral Lore/Jute Gyte - Helian
Urarv - Argentum
Vihameditaatio - Demo I
Vihameditaatio - Demo II
Volahn/Xaxamantza - Gods of Pandemonium
Vouna - Vouna
Yhdarl - Loss

obnoxious pun (ultros ultros-ghali), Saturday, 5 January 2019 15:37 (five months ago) Permalink


tangenttangent, Saturday, 19 January 2019 12:21 (four months ago) Permalink

Glad somebody else heard Magim, love that shit.

blood, loud screaming and nudity (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 19 January 2019 12:39 (four months ago) Permalink

Musically speaking, I very much enjoyed that Nécropole album but I won't be listening to it again. Describing Jews as malicious 'vipers' and 'cosmic enemies' then outright stating that 'the Jewish "race"' (I'm quoting the quotation marks, which totally sanitize the sentiment, amirite?) 'must die' is a kind of pubescent edginess that induces more eye rolling than is anatomically bearable on my part.

pomenitul, Saturday, 19 January 2019 14:37 (four months ago) Permalink

Yikes, uh I think that goes beyond edginess

don't let's be beastly to the gammons (ultros ultros-ghali), Saturday, 19 January 2019 14:55 (four months ago) Permalink

Well it's mixed with pseudo-profound terms scavenged in online thesauruses such as 'eschatology' and 'oblation', so I assume it's all part of a neo-Maurrassian fantasy according to which they, the unsung, unacknowledged protagonists of recent French History, must transgress contemporary ethics in order to live up to their solitary, aristocratic ideals. The more loathed and despised you are by the plebs, the closer you come to achieving Sadian transcendence or some such. Sounds pretty pubescent to me.

pomenitul, Saturday, 19 January 2019 15:03 (four months ago) Permalink

Can we un-nominate them please?

jmm, Saturday, 19 January 2019 15:05 (four months ago) Permalink

We'd probably have to un-nominate a great deal if we were to carefully comb through every lyric. I'm afraid this kind of hateful bullshit is statistically inevitable in a genre that prides itself on exploring the darkest recesses of the human psyche. That said, these lyrics cross the red line for me and I certainly won't be voting for Nécropole.

pomenitul, Saturday, 19 January 2019 15:16 (four months ago) Permalink

I'm removing Nécropole. and lj quit nominating thumpermonkey, they are not metal!

Oor Neechy, Saturday, 19 January 2019 16:12 (four months ago) Permalink

Is there a tribunal

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 19 January 2019 16:22 (four months ago) Permalink

Apparently so.

And as an addendum to my post upthread, I'd like to point out that the Divine Marquis was no antisemite.

pomenitul, Saturday, 19 January 2019 16:37 (four months ago) Permalink

"Hateful bullshit" isn't inevitable if you strongly vet your BM bands beforehand. Will concede that I may not be on 100% solid ground as I tend to give the benefit of the doubt to, say, folk/"pagan" bands so long as it manifests itself as nature worship or ancient folklore etc and there are no obvious signifiers of nationalistic crap. There might be stuff that slipped through the net, maybe you're right, this shit's inevitable and I'm too naive but I like to hope not.

Really though thanks for bringing up this band as I now know to avoid them. But look, you don't have to find excuses for this stuff, it's not necessary, there is no historical or philosophical context that could make lyrics like the ones you brought up acceptable.

don't let's be beastly to the gammons (ultros ultros-ghali), Saturday, 19 January 2019 18:18 (four months ago) Permalink

Yeah, I don't think I was trying to 'find excuses' for this band or I wouldn't have brought up their antisemitism in the first place.

If we're gonna follow this through to the end, though, we also need to think about how we tend to give a free pass to older, canonical Norwegian BM acts: Emperor, Mayhem, Burzum, Darkthrone and Gaahl have all crossed the line at various points in their careers (in different ways and to varying degrees). And if we move past the narrow purview of BM, should we squelch Gesualdo or Wagner or Sibelius altogether? Or Pound or Céline or Dalí? Historical distance attenuates the sulfur somewhat, yet it is often deceitful. For instance, because Vikernes is older and the controversy surrounding him began so long ago, I don't think about his extramusical persona when I listen to his albums, whereas Nécropole released their debut EP in 2014, which makes them more present and palpable, as it were (not to mention the current international context means I have less patience than ever for this kind of crap). Yet Vikernes, even though he retired his Burzum moniker last year, is still very much alive, running a neopagan enclave with his 'Aryan' wife in the Limousin – his views don't appear to have shifted all that much over the years. Perhaps we should keep that in mind next time we listen to Filosofem?

Familiarity with the language makes a difference, as well. I can't in good conscience listen to Peste noire because Famine's lyrics leap out at me and make me feel like I'm at a French skinhead rally. But I can never quite catch the Norwegian racist slur (penned by Vikernes iirc) on the über-classic™ that is Transilvanian Hunger. All in all, I guess I prefer sticking to the Wagner/Heidegger line of defence: both were antisemitic pieces of shit, no doubt about it, but the former influenced Mahler and Schoenberg, whereas the latter's philosophy left an indelible mark on Arendt and Derrida (all four were Jews), which goes to show that, yes, it is possible to divorce the person from their work (assuming it's of some import), at least in part and as long as you're willing to go through all the necessary caveats, understand where it all went wrong and rework it accordingly. Nécropole's case is thankfully clear-cut but I don't like the notion that we don't need to know more about the context. Listening responsibly also consists of parsing said context (which is why I looked up the lyrics after reading a disturbing review of Solarité in a French e-zine), of trying to understand what draws a certain strand of young white men to this garbage, just like I'm also interested in why certain young men are attracted to incel culture. So it's not about contextualizing for the sake of excuses but about trying to understand where the hatred is coming from and what it means, if that makes sense.

pomenitul, Saturday, 19 January 2019 20:00 (four months ago) Permalink

All in all, I guess I prefer sticking to the Wagner/Heidegger line of defence: both were antisemitic pieces of shit, no doubt about it, but the former influenced Mahler and Schoenberg, whereas the latter's philosophy left an indelible mark on Arendt and Derrida (all four were Jews),

why must you leave oor neechy out of this?

Oor Neechy, Saturday, 19 January 2019 21:05 (four months ago) Permalink

Anyway the dividing lines for the poll have always been the actual lyrics. If pointed out (usually i cant make any out tbh)

Oor Neechy, Saturday, 19 January 2019 21:13 (four months ago) Permalink

I'm pretty sure jjj banned Peste Noire one year despite the fact he enjoyed the actual music.

Oor Neechy, Saturday, 19 January 2019 21:14 (four months ago) Permalink

To be clear on this, can we get nominations removed for anti-christianity or disproportionate violence in the lyrics?

Siegbran, Sunday, 20 January 2019 11:49 (four months ago) Permalink

I assume any extreme non-racist material is fine. Bands who openly oppose Islam would make for an interesting litmus test.

pomenitul, Sunday, 20 January 2019 12:02 (four months ago) Permalink

pomenitul 'making excuses' was an unkind reading of what you were saying, sorry about that. I didn't consider the angle you're taking as my attitude towards racists and anti-semites is without nuance or sympathy, they made the choice to be that way and I don't care about the why.

I've just made the personal choice to not to listen to certain bands on ideological grounds, while a) admitting I can only be less than pure in that regard and make exceptions if and when I want and b) leaving anyone else to draw their own lines. Incidentally I'd think Burzum was absolute dull dogshit on a musical level even he wasn't the way he is and I've never heard an avowedly leftist BM band that wasn't a bit poor. So it's not all about politics.

As far as the poll's concerned I think we can all parse the difference between OTT violence, cartoonish anti-christianity and actual racism/hate speech. I'm not clamouring for anything to be removed as again, anyone else can make their own decisions. But even if we combed through every nom and removed anything even slightly dodgy, this is a poll on an obscure music forum, it wouldn't be the thin end of the wedge.

don't let's be beastly to the gammons (ultros ultros-ghali), Sunday, 20 January 2019 13:25 (four months ago) Permalink

pomenitul - i've thought a great deal about this myself. in the past i was in theory a "separate the artist from the art" kind of person but in practice i can't actually do this sort of thing. my personal guidelines is "no cadaver synods" - if someone's dead they get a free pass. when the artist no longer lives i can generally separate the artist from the art. having said that, however, i am so repulsed by florent schmitt that i am unable to do this in his case.

regarding anti-islamic music - thoughts on someone like abu lahab?

The Elvis of Nationalism and Amoral Patriotism (rushomancy), Sunday, 20 January 2019 13:57 (four months ago) Permalink

I'm not sure that I'll be seriously participating in the poll (I'll probably follow it, but doubt that I'll vote), so please discount my vote-to-ban yesterday accordingly. People who are more serious about the poll should have more say.

jmm, Sunday, 20 January 2019 14:12 (four months ago) Permalink

As far as anti-Islamic BM goes, I assume bands that come from Muslim-majority countries would be acceptable (Ayat, for instance). Jewish BM bands heavy on the anti-Judaic (but not antisemitic, obv.) rhetoric would probably be alright as well. Basically any theological contestation from within the community at large is fine, so Abu Lahab (which I wasn't familiar with btw, I'll have to check his stuff out) would be fine in my book. These are easy enough. But what about a European band like Taake? If your goal is to blaspheme against all monotheisms, where do you draw the line? (The 2007 Swastika scandal gave us a pretty good sense of where their allegiances lie, though Hoest argues that their entire shtick 'is built upon provocation and anything evil'.)

pomenitul, Sunday, 20 January 2019 14:40 (four months ago) Permalink

things were much easier in the old days with totally pished metal bands on lilos in swimming pools

Oor Neechy, Sunday, 20 January 2019 14:53 (four months ago) Permalink

when the average metalhead would be inspired "hey I could do that".

Oor Neechy, Sunday, 20 January 2019 14:54 (four months ago) Permalink

The discussions around Slayer back in the 80s were the same, it’s really nothing new. All the arguments back and forth are well-worn.

I personally don’t see the point of “extreme metal (but not too extreme)” but I’m not running this poll. I’ll just nominate and vote and if the results will be sanitized then so be it.

Siegbran, Sunday, 20 January 2019 17:07 (four months ago) Permalink

pomenitul, Sunday, 20 January 2019 21:49 (four months ago) Permalink

save us seandalai

Oor Neechy, Monday, 21 January 2019 01:03 (four months ago) Permalink

I've never heard an avowedly leftist BM band that wasn't a bit poor

ultros, your rym account is how I'd found out about that Sordide record from a couple years ago that I ended up really loving, so it's funny to hear you say this

slack thompson (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 21 January 2019 06:09 (four months ago) Permalink

This study is required reading then:
The Devil is Red: Socialist Satanism in the Nineteenth Century


During the nineteenth century, socialists all over the Western world employed Satan as a symbol of the workers’ emancipation from capitalist tyranny and the toppling of the Christian Church, which they perceived as a protector of this oppressive system. Starting with the English Romantics at the end of the eighteenth century, European radicals developed a discourse of symbolic Satanism, which was put to use by major names in socialism like Godwin, Proudhon, and Bakunin. This shock tactic became especially widespread in turn-of-the-century Sweden, and accordingly the article focuses on the many examples of explicit socialist Satanism in that country. They are contextualized by showing the parallels to, among other things, use of Lucifer as a positive symbol in the realm of alternative spirituality, specifically the Theosophical Society. A number of reasons for why Satan gained such popularity among socialists are suggested, and the sometimes blurry line separating the rhetoric of symbolic Satanism from actual religious writing is scrutinized.

Siegbran, Monday, 21 January 2019 12:32 (four months ago) Permalink

xp lol blame my poor memory. Though to be fair it's been over 2 years since I last heard that album or even thought about it, and apparently I wasn't overly impressed anyway.

don't let's be beastly to the gammons (ultros ultros-ghali), Monday, 21 January 2019 14:48 (four months ago) Permalink

hey guys there's no excuse for "I missed the nominations" this time. If you have anything you want to add you're in luck

Oor Neechy, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 18:58 (four months ago) Permalink

Can I still nominate Ascension - Under Ether - I didn't see it listed. Also Svartidauði - Revelations of the Red Sword is listed twice.

BlackIronPrison, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 19:55 (four months ago) Permalink

Also Cult Leader - A Patient Man and Pale Divine S/T, please.

BlackIronPrison, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 19:56 (four months ago) Permalink

Ugh - sorry - House of Atreus - From the Madness of Ixion , too, please?

BlackIronPrison, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 19:58 (four months ago) Permalink

Augury - Illusive Golden Age
Holy Grove - II
Dunbarrow - Dunbarrow II
Ulthar - Cosmovore
Psycroptic - As the Kingdom Drowns
Embrace of Thorns - Scorn Aesthetics
Mongrel's Cross - Psalter of the Royal Dragon Court
Deathhammer - Chained to Hell
Arsis - Visitant
Faustcoven - In the Shadow of Doom

BlackIronPrison, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:07 (four months ago) Permalink


Oor Neechy, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:44 (four months ago) Permalink

Astronoid, yes.

Ian Grey, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 08:07 (four months ago) Permalink

Closet Witch - Closet Witch

if it's not too late

blood, loud screaming and nudity (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 08:19 (four months ago) Permalink

got it

Oor Neechy, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 16:29 (four months ago) Permalink

I think voting might be able to start around friday/the weekend im not sure though.

Oor Neechy, Thursday, 24 January 2019 16:43 (four months ago) Permalink

Here's an aggregate EOY list, should it spark any last minute ideas:

pomenitul, Friday, 25 January 2019 19:20 (four months ago) Permalink

Metal coverage continues to fall further from the mainstream: Over the past two years of writing these articles I’ve focused on the trend of metal falling out of favor with bigger, more mainstream publications, especially print newspapers. In the past few years we’ve seen a major contraction in metal coverage – extensive or even cursory – over many websites and publications. Unfortunately this appears to be a trend with no real end in sight, and we can add yet another publication of note to the list who has dropped their coverage and didn’t even bother publishing a year-end list for 2018: UK’s The Guardian. Perhaps it seems strange now that such an institution ever covered metal in any serious way, but given that the New York Times still had a full-time music journalist covering metal up until a couple of years ago, it shouldn’t. It’s a shame that as metal has continued to grow and advance and, ironically, be more accepted in the mainstream as possibly ever, it’s becoming harder and harder to access high-quality writing and coverage on it. In that sense it’s no surprise that what remains feels like it lacks in diversity and curation beyond the biggest names from the biggest labels. In many ways metal journalism is fighting for its life, and for many reasons signs point towards it losing that fight.

Oor Neechy, Friday, 25 January 2019 19:37 (four months ago) Permalink

So, when's the voting deadline?

imago, Sunday, 27 January 2019 14:11 (four months ago) Permalink

It's almost certainly too late, but just in case:

Mansion - First Death of the Lutheran

tangenttangent, Sunday, 27 January 2019 15:00 (four months ago) Permalink

only the drugs can tell us that, imago.

I've added it, is it imago's band?
Mansion - Attack of the Death Grey Lantern?

Oor Neechy, Sunday, 27 January 2019 16:47 (four months ago) Permalink

the og plan was to have voting end a week after big poll rollout but the delay there has put paid to that most likely as 2018 was so long ago now!

Oor Neechy, Sunday, 27 January 2019 17:08 (four months ago) Permalink

on the bright side there is no excuse for not having heard all the albums you want to now to top up what you heard the entire year since the noms started a month ago

Oor Neechy, Sunday, 27 January 2019 17:10 (four months ago) Permalink

rights the drugs family and I have consulted and it will be a 2 week voting period so the results rollout the monday after the big albums poll.

Oor Neechy, Sunday, 27 January 2019 17:50 (four months ago) Permalink

voting hopefully will start tonight or tomorrow

Oor Neechy, Sunday, 27 January 2019 17:51 (four months ago) Permalink

Nominations now CLOSED.

Voting will be live shortly

Oor Neechy, Sunday, 27 January 2019 22:01 (four months ago) Permalink

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