Yes, it's that time again. Nominate all you like. The spreadsheet will be updated regularly until January 19th after which point nominations will be closed.
Please nominate below in the usual format: Artist - Album. Please ctrl-f the thread to avoid listing duplicates!
We also have an open Spotify playlist which anyone is free to populate:
The plan this time around is to leave the voting/campaigning period open till after the main trax/album polls close. This should give everyone plenty of time to campaign, bitch, pick up new faves, and VOTE at their own pace.
― slack thompson (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 31 December 2018 18:49 (five months ago) Permalink
Should Beastmaker's 10 EPs be nominated as a block, or each EP nominated separately? I'm inclined to nominate all 10 as one thing.
― grawlix (unperson), Monday, 31 December 2018 18:56 (five months ago) Permalink
Ages of Atrophy - The Great Ascendancy FraudAncestors - Suspended in ReflectionsCryogenic Defilement - Worldwide ExterminationDeracinated - Adoration of Decaying CarrionDysmorfectomy - Disembodied AnomaliesEnblood - Cast to ExileExpulsed - Kingdom of DesolationFacelift Deformation - Dominating the ExterminationHabitual Depravity - Realms of Abysmal ServitudeIneffable Demise - Beyond the Marrow GatesIrreversible Mechanism - ImmersionMessa - Feast for WaterPost Mortal Possession - Perpetual DescentPosthuman Abomination - Transcending Embodiment
― grawlix (unperson), Monday, 31 December 2018 19:04 (five months ago) Permalink
Go ahead and treat them as one nomination xp
― slack thompson (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 31 December 2018 19:07 (five months ago) Permalink
Same will go for the 2 Panopticon albums
― slack thompson (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 31 December 2018 19:08 (five months ago) Permalink
A few albums I like:
ST 37 - ST 37The Armed - Only LovePharaoh Overlord - ZeroYamantaka//Sonic Titan - DirtYawningman - The Revolt Against Tired NoisesDeep Space Destructors - Visions from the Void
― slack thompson (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 31 December 2018 19:10 (five months ago) Permalink
Beastmaker - EPs 1-10
― grawlix (unperson), Monday, 31 December 2018 19:13 (five months ago) Permalink
Yay, thank you for doing this! Will sort out some nominations soon.
― tangenttangent, Monday, 31 December 2018 19:23 (five months ago) Permalink
Apparently nominations should be bolded. My mistake; I'm the new guy!
Yob - Our Raw HeartSleep - The SciencesGhost - PrequelleThy Catafalque - GeometriaMournful Congregation - The Incubus of KarmaPillorian - Obsidian ArcKhorada - SaltEvoken - Hypnagogia
― slack thompson (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 31 December 2018 19:27 (five months ago) Permalink
ok i'm new to this, are there nom limits? if so what are they?
― errang (rushomancy), Monday, 31 December 2018 19:29 (five months ago) Permalink
Anicon - Entropy MantraArgonavis - Passing the Igneous MawBasalte - VertigeBurial Invocation - AbiogenesisChurchburn - None Shall Live… The Hymns of MiseryConvocation - Scars AcrossConvulsing - GrievousDeafheaven - Ordinary Corrupt Human LoveDet eviga leendet - LenienceEsoctrilihum - InhümaFluisteraars / Turia - De OordFuneral Mist - HekatombHamferð - Támsins likamHooded Menace - Ossuarium Silhouettes UnhallowedHorrendous - IdolHWWAUOCH - HWWAUOCHImperial Triumphant - Vile LuxuryInfernal Coil - Within a World ForgottenIskandr - EuprosoponKriegsmaschine - ApocalypticistsMare - Ebony TowerOrdinul Negru - Faustian NightsPaara - RiittiSacrificed Alliance - WithdrawnScorched - Ecliptic ButcherySeveroth - When the Night Falls…Skeletal Remains - Devouring MortalitySkullcave - FEARSunsunmoon - Demons in Medieval TimesTomb Mold - Manor of Infinite FormsUngfell - Mythen, Mären, PestilenzVarathron - Patriarchs of EvilVargrav - NetherstormVoodus - Into the WildWayfarer - World’s BloodWormlight - Wrath of the WildsXenoblight - Procreation
― pomenitul, Monday, 31 December 2018 19:32 (five months ago) Permalink
Would've also nominated Messa and Evoken if it hadn't been done already.
― pomenitul, Monday, 31 December 2018 19:33 (five months ago) Permalink
i'm also new to reading apparently it's right there in the first post
Self Harm - Adapt to Self-Inflicted Chemical TortureAbhorrence - MegalohydrothalassophobicAzath - Demo 2018Dead Void - The Looming SpectreGotsu Totsu Kotsu - The Final StandMadder Mortem - MarrowLecherous Nocturne - OccultaclysmicEntropia - VacuumRagana/Thou - Let Our Names Be ForgottenTeleport - The ExpansionWindhand - Eternal ReturnBlackwater Holylight - s/tMinami Deutsch - With Dim LightRamble Tamble - Outlaw OvertonesSpiny Normen - S/TUncle Acid and the Deadbeats - Wasteland
― errang (rushomancy), Monday, 31 December 2018 19:36 (five months ago) Permalink
let's go ahead and get some more noms out of the way
Svartidauði - Revelations of the Red SwordVermilia - KätkytZeal & Ardor - Stranger FruitPanopticon - The Scars of Man on the Once Nameless Wilderness I And IIFeminazgul - The Age of Men is OverNeckbeard Deathcamp - White Nationalism is for Basement Dwelling Losers
i know somebody was going to nom neckbeard deathcamp, figured i might as well get it over with
― errang (rushomancy), Monday, 31 December 2018 19:39 (five months ago) Permalink
Hamferð - Támsins likam
i hope these guys become famous and bad so i can snidely refer to them as "hamtaro"
― errang (rushomancy), Monday, 31 December 2018 19:41 (five months ago) Permalink
It came out in 2017 but given its impact this year, I'd also like to nominate:
Threatin - Breaking the World
― pomenitul, Monday, 31 December 2018 19:42 (five months ago) Permalink
I think it's pronounced 'hamferth'.
― pomenitul, Monday, 31 December 2018 19:43 (five months ago) Permalink
Or 'hamferd'. Any Faroese among us?
― pomenitul, Monday, 31 December 2018 19:45 (five months ago) Permalink
no, but wikipedia has some light to shed on it
i'm not going to pronounce that letter as a "d" because it might be taken as offensive
― errang (rushomancy), Monday, 31 December 2018 19:59 (five months ago) Permalink
i suppose i could do "hamfart", that would be sufficiently juvenile
Ferð is apparently cognate with the German Fahrt and the obsolete English word ferd, which means 'journey'/'voyage' and/or 'army'/'host'/'company'.
― pomenitul, Monday, 31 December 2018 20:03 (five months ago) Permalink
Wouldn't be surprised if the ham were cognate with home. So 'the company's trip back to the homeland' or some such.
― pomenitul, Monday, 31 December 2018 20:05 (five months ago) Permalink
Likely involves quite a few hamfarts tbf.
Frozen Crown - The Fallen KingHYVMINE - EarthquakeObliteration, Cenotaph ObscureSummoning, With Doom We ComeThe Lion's Daughter, Future Cult
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 31 December 2018 20:51 (five months ago) Permalink
BTW, even though I got a shit-ton of metal promos this year, I didn't nominate any of those albums. Everything you see above is stuff I purchased on Bandcamp. I would be interested to know which nominated albums other people actually bought.
― grawlix (unperson), Monday, 31 December 2018 21:07 (five months ago) Permalink
ASG - Survive Sunriseawakebutstillinbed - what people call low self-esteem is really just seeing yourself the way that other people see youDaughters - You Won't Get What You WantEarthless - Black HeavenEntropia - VacuumHigh On Fire - Electric MessiahSorcier des glaces - Sorcier des glacesSUMAC - Love in ShadowSumac & Keiji Haino - Keep Facing Sideways, You're Too Hideous To Look At Face OnThe Skull - The Endless Road Turns DarkThe Body - I Have Fought Against It, but I Can't Any Longer.Turnstile - Time & Space
― Oor Neechy, Tuesday, 1 January 2019 00:28 (five months ago) Permalink
Tribulation - Down BelowGorycz - PiachKhanus - FlammarionKEN Mode - LovedAura Noir - Aura NoireDemonomancy - Poisoned AtonementLie in Ruins - DemiseDeszcz - IIITaphos - Come Ethereal SombernessGolgothan Remains - Perverse Offerings to the VoidLychgate - The Contagion in Nine StepsBlack Salvation - Uncertainty Is Bliss
I'm old-fashioned enough that I still like to own music. These were all purchased.
― o. nate, Tuesday, 1 January 2019 02:15 (five months ago) Permalink
Acherontas - Faustian EthosAct of Impalement - Perdition CultAils - The UnravelingArchgoat - The Luciferian CrownAtaraxy - Where All Hope FadesThe Crown - Cobra Speed VenomDaemogog - Anagogic ImpositionDark Buddha Rising - IIDeiquisitor - Downfall of the ApostatesDruid Lord - Grotesque OfferingsGenocide Pact - Order of TormentGhastly - Death VelourGrafjammer - Schalm & SchabauwIlsa - Corpse FortressImmortal - Northern Chaos GodsLago - Sea of DuressLLNN - DeadsMorgengrau - Blood OracleMortuous - Through WildernessMoss Upon The Skull - In Vengeful ReverenceNachash - Phantasmal TriunityPact - EnigmataPharaoh Overlord - ZeroPink Mist - Pink MistPortal - IONRebel Wizard - Voluptuous Worship of Rapture and ResponseRites Of Thy Degringolade - The Blade PhilosophicalRitual Necromancy - Disinterred HorrorScumpulse - RottenSepulcher - Panoptic HorrorSerpents Lair - Perpetual HungerSonic Poison - Combat GrindSulaco - The PrizeUrfaust - The Constellatory PracticeUsurpress - InterregnumVoivod - The WakeWolvhammer - Monuments of Ash and Bone
― blood, loud screaming and nudity (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 07:45 (five months ago) Permalink
Some quick campaigning:
Sonic Poison is from very late last year and is wonderfully septic death/grind that sounds very Repulsion-influenced. Someone needs to cram this and their Harsh Demonstration tapes onto disc.
The Scumpulse album is a catchy, melodic crust/black/death hybrid that might appeal to Carcass fans.
Grafjammer isn't anything new but if you like early Carpathian Forest or Darkthrone's punky/thrashy era it's worth it. Played with vehemence.
Nachash is really good black metal album, occulty but not tediously orthodox, great epic song structures and it doesn't feel like they only listen to black metal.
― blood, loud screaming and nudity (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 08:00 (five months ago) Permalink
Atka - Untitled Album 1
― errang (rushomancy), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 08:20 (five months ago) Permalink
Howling Sycamore - Howling Sycamore
― blood, loud screaming and nudity (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 08:33 (five months ago) Permalink
Khemmis - Desolation
― Oor Neechy, Tuesday, 1 January 2019 21:16 (five months ago) Permalink
Judas Priest - Firepower
― Oor Neechy, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 16:49 (five months ago) Permalink
Here you go!
Ad Hominem - Napalm For AllÆvangelist - Matricide in the Temple of OmegaAlkaloid - Liquid AnatomyAll Souls - All SoulsAmerican Nightmare - American NightmareAnomalie - IntegraAnvil - Pounding The PavementArkona - KhramAt The Gates - To Drink From The Night ItselfThe Atlas Moth - Coma NoirAuthor & Punisher - BeastlandBehemoth - I Loved You at your DarkestBeyond Creation - AlgorythmBlack Tusk - T.C.B.T.Burn The Priest - Legion: XXCauldron - New GodsClamfight - IIICloud Rat - Clipped Beaks // Silk PanicConan - Existential Void Guardian Corrosion of Conformity - No Cross No CrownCrippled Black Phoenix - Great EscapeDead Alone - SerumDeathwhite - For a Black TomorrowDeceased - Ghostly WhiteDevil Master - ManifestationsDimmu Borgir - OenianDrudkh - They Often See Dreams About the SpringEsben And The Witch - NowhereExmortus - The Sound of SteelExxxekutioner - Death SentenceEye of Nix - Black SomniaFrost Giant - The Harlot StarGraveyard - PeaceGygax - Second EditionHaan - By the Grace of Blood and GutsHate Eternal - Upon Desolate SandsHellish - The Spectre of Lonely SoulsThe HIRS Collective - Friends. Lovers. Favorites.Horn - RetrogradHyborian - Hyborian, Vol. 1Ihsahn - ÁmrION - A Path UnknownIsenordal - Spectral EmbraceKorpiklaani - KulkijaLegend of the Seagullmen - Legend of the SeagullmenSarah Longfield - DisparityMarduk - ViktoriaMelan Selas - ReonMelvins - Pinkus Abortion TechnicianMemoriam - The Silent VigilMesarthim - The Density ParameterMirrors For Psychic Warfare - I See What I BecameMob Terror - SuperstimulusMonster Magnet - MindfuckerNechochwen - The Ancient PulseNew Ruins - New RuinsObscura - DiluviumThe Ocean - Phanerozoic I: PalaeozoicOf Feather And Bone - Bestial Hymns of PerversionOrange Goblin - The Wolf Bites BackOuter Heaven - Realms of Eternal DecayParasite Inc. - Dead and AlivePrimordial - Exile Amongst the RuinsRauhnåcht - Unterm GipfelthronRotting Christ - Their Greatest SpellsSargeist - UnboundSatan - Cruel MagicSaxon - ThunderboltSektarism - Fils de DieuSeptic Tank - Rotting CivilisationSigh - Heir To DespairSinistro - Sangue CássiaSkeletonwitch - Devouring Radiant LightSkinless - SavagerySlugdge - Esoteric MalacologySpiders - Killer MachineSpiral Skies - Blues For A Dying PlanetStone Deaf - Royal BurnoutA Storm Of Light - Anthroscene Sylvaine - Atoms Aligned, Coming UndoneTad - Quick And DirtyTengger Cavalry - Cian BiThou - MagusTile - Come on Home, StrangerTo End It All - Scourge of WomanTrappist - Ancient Brewing TacticsUniform - The Long WalkUnreqvited - Stars Wept to the SeaVeiled - Black Celestial OrbsVenom - Storm the GatesVitamin X - Age Of ParanoiaVreid - LifehungerVulcain - VinyleWake - Misery RitesWatain - Trident Wolf EclipseWitch Mountain - Witch MountainWitching - WitchingWitchsorrow - HexenhammerWrong - Feel GreatWürm - ExhumedYgfan - Hamvakból…Zeke - Hellbender
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Wednesday, 2 January 2019 19:49 (five months ago) Permalink
Closer - All This Will BeSenyawa - SujudGouge Away - Burnt SugarJóhann Jóhannsson - Mandy (Original Motion Picture Soundtrack)Gnaw Their Tongues - Genocidal MajestyDaughters - You Won’t Get What You WantAndrew W.K. - You’re Not Alone
― gman59, Wednesday, 2 January 2019 19:52 (five months ago) Permalink
I'm just now listening to new Sunwatchers; I might have to nominate this one as well
― slack thompson (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 3 January 2019 00:58 (five months ago) Permalink
Gorod - Æthra
― Dinsdale, Thursday, 3 January 2019 05:07 (five months ago) Permalink
Pig Destroyer - Head Cage
― Oor Neechy, Thursday, 3 January 2019 19:24 (five months ago) Permalink
I didn't make a list this year but I'll be sure to play the home game. I will say however that this little album I only discovered the other day thanks to another forum's roundup is brilliant enough for me to sneak in here and nominate. A whacked out reimagining of Aspera Hiems Symfonia with a dead ringer for Aldrahn on vox. Apparently they've been around for a while, on Nordvis no less (owner is the aforementioned dead ringer, I think), so I dunno how I'd missed them.
Stilla - Synviljor
― Devilock, Thursday, 3 January 2019 20:47 (five months ago) Permalink
Actually there's a lot more to that Stilla than I suggested -- it's got some DHG/Moonfog elements, some Blaze in the Northern Sky guitar dirge howling, and a generally weird ambience that makes me think of Hordanes Land. But it's Swedish!
― Devilock, Thursday, 3 January 2019 21:01 (five months ago) Permalink
oh wow didn't even know there was a new Stilla this year! Thanks.
― blood, loud screaming and nudity (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 3 January 2019 21:16 (five months ago) Permalink
Serpent Column - Invicta
― blood, loud screaming and nudity (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Friday, 4 January 2019 08:41 (five months ago) Permalink
wow, so many of mine are in already. only a few slipped through the cracks
Altars of Grief - IrisBetween the Buried and Me - Automata I and IIBonjour Tristesse - Your Ultimate Urban NightmareChrch - Light Will Consume Us AllDautha - Brethren of the Black SoilEigenlicht - Self-Annihilating ConsciousnessEneferens - The Bleakness of our Constant Harms Way - PosthumanHigh Tension - PurgeHuntsmen - American ScrapKalmah - PaloMammoth Grinder - Cosmic CryptMØL - JordRespire - DenouementUltha - The Inextricable WanderingVein - ErrorzoneVisigoth - Conqueror's Oath
― resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 4 January 2019 14:28 (five months ago) Permalink
I'm a bit disappointed neither you nor imago have tried to make the case for Tropical Fuck Storm yet tbrr
― slack thompson (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 4 January 2019 18:37 (five months ago) Permalink
Anyways, a few more noms:
CB3 - From Nothing to EternityDylan Carson - ConquistadorDMBQ - Keeenly
― slack thompson (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 4 January 2019 18:39 (five months ago) Permalink
they're slightly too much not for this thread xp
― imago, Friday, 4 January 2019 18:45 (five months ago) Permalink
yeah I'm not gonna do that. gonna work like hell to get them into the 77 tho
― resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 4 January 2019 18:46 (five months ago) Permalink
it is a done deal imo but yeah, think top 20
― imago, Friday, 4 January 2019 18:49 (five months ago) Permalink
A Forest of Stars - Grave Mounds and Grave MistakesÆthĕrĭa Conscĭentĭa - Tales from HydhradhAltar of Perversion - Intra NaosBasarabian Hills - Eerie Light of FirefliesBenthik Zone - Causa modicum temporis spatiumBHL/Kallathon - Camino de GuerraDispirit - Enantiodromian BirthDunnock - Little Stories Told by GhostsEchtra -BardOEhnahre & Hadean - Rites for WinterEl Efecto - Memórias do fogoEsoctrilihum - Pandaemorthium (Forbidden Formulas to Awaken the Blind Sovereigns of Nothingness)Estuarine - Sic Erat ScriptumFaal - Desolate GriefGeryon - AstomatousGrave Upheaval - (untitled)In the Woods... - Cease the DayInhumankind - Self-ExtinctionKły - SzczerzenieMahr - AnteluxMamaleek - Out of Time
― obnoxious pun (ultros ultros-ghali), Saturday, 5 January 2019 15:21 (five months ago) Permalink
Marax - The Abyss of IllusionsMonolithe - Nebula SeptemMonotheist - ScourgeNahtrunar - Mysterium TremendumNishaiar - IgewandaNishaiar - Irix ZeriusOnirism - Falling MoonOphidian Forest - votIVePanegyrist - HierurgySoldat Hans - es tautSpectral Lore/Jute Gyte - HelianUrarv - ArgentumVihameditaatio - Demo IVihameditaatio - Demo IIVolahn/Xaxamantza - Gods of PandemoniumVouna - VounaYhdarl - Loss
― obnoxious pun (ultros ultros-ghali), Saturday, 5 January 2019 15:37 (five months ago) Permalink
― tangenttangent, Saturday, 19 January 2019 12:21 (four months ago) Permalink
Glad somebody else heard Magim, love that shit.
― blood, loud screaming and nudity (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 19 January 2019 12:39 (four months ago) Permalink
Musically speaking, I very much enjoyed that Nécropole album but I won't be listening to it again. Describing Jews as malicious 'vipers' and 'cosmic enemies' then outright stating that 'the Jewish "race"' (I'm quoting the quotation marks, which totally sanitize the sentiment, amirite?) 'must die' is a kind of pubescent edginess that induces more eye rolling than is anatomically bearable on my part.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 19 January 2019 14:37 (four months ago) Permalink
Yikes, uh I think that goes beyond edginess
― don't let's be beastly to the gammons (ultros ultros-ghali), Saturday, 19 January 2019 14:55 (four months ago) Permalink
Well it's mixed with pseudo-profound terms scavenged in online thesauruses such as 'eschatology' and 'oblation', so I assume it's all part of a neo-Maurrassian fantasy according to which they, the unsung, unacknowledged protagonists of recent French History, must transgress contemporary ethics in order to live up to their solitary, aristocratic ideals. The more loathed and despised you are by the plebs, the closer you come to achieving Sadian transcendence or some such. Sounds pretty pubescent to me.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 19 January 2019 15:03 (four months ago) Permalink
Can we un-nominate them please?
― jmm, Saturday, 19 January 2019 15:05 (four months ago) Permalink
We'd probably have to un-nominate a great deal if we were to carefully comb through every lyric. I'm afraid this kind of hateful bullshit is statistically inevitable in a genre that prides itself on exploring the darkest recesses of the human psyche. That said, these lyrics cross the red line for me and I certainly won't be voting for Nécropole.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 19 January 2019 15:16 (four months ago) Permalink
I'm removing Nécropole. and lj quit nominating thumpermonkey, they are not metal!
― Oor Neechy, Saturday, 19 January 2019 16:12 (four months ago) Permalink
Is there a tribunal
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 19 January 2019 16:22 (four months ago) Permalink
And as an addendum to my post upthread, I'd like to point out that the Divine Marquis was no antisemite.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 19 January 2019 16:37 (four months ago) Permalink
"Hateful bullshit" isn't inevitable if you strongly vet your BM bands beforehand. Will concede that I may not be on 100% solid ground as I tend to give the benefit of the doubt to, say, folk/"pagan" bands so long as it manifests itself as nature worship or ancient folklore etc and there are no obvious signifiers of nationalistic crap. There might be stuff that slipped through the net, maybe you're right, this shit's inevitable and I'm too naive but I like to hope not.
Really though thanks for bringing up this band as I now know to avoid them. But look, you don't have to find excuses for this stuff, it's not necessary, there is no historical or philosophical context that could make lyrics like the ones you brought up acceptable.
― don't let's be beastly to the gammons (ultros ultros-ghali), Saturday, 19 January 2019 18:18 (four months ago) Permalink
Yeah, I don't think I was trying to 'find excuses' for this band or I wouldn't have brought up their antisemitism in the first place.
If we're gonna follow this through to the end, though, we also need to think about how we tend to give a free pass to older, canonical Norwegian BM acts: Emperor, Mayhem, Burzum, Darkthrone and Gaahl have all crossed the line at various points in their careers (in different ways and to varying degrees). And if we move past the narrow purview of BM, should we squelch Gesualdo or Wagner or Sibelius altogether? Or Pound or Céline or Dalí? Historical distance attenuates the sulfur somewhat, yet it is often deceitful. For instance, because Vikernes is older and the controversy surrounding him began so long ago, I don't think about his extramusical persona when I listen to his albums, whereas Nécropole released their debut EP in 2014, which makes them more present and palpable, as it were (not to mention the current international context means I have less patience than ever for this kind of crap). Yet Vikernes, even though he retired his Burzum moniker last year, is still very much alive, running a neopagan enclave with his 'Aryan' wife in the Limousin – his views don't appear to have shifted all that much over the years. Perhaps we should keep that in mind next time we listen to Filosofem?
Familiarity with the language makes a difference, as well. I can't in good conscience listen to Peste noire because Famine's lyrics leap out at me and make me feel like I'm at a French skinhead rally. But I can never quite catch the Norwegian racist slur (penned by Vikernes iirc) on the über-classic™ that is Transilvanian Hunger. All in all, I guess I prefer sticking to the Wagner/Heidegger line of defence: both were antisemitic pieces of shit, no doubt about it, but the former influenced Mahler and Schoenberg, whereas the latter's philosophy left an indelible mark on Arendt and Derrida (all four were Jews), which goes to show that, yes, it is possible to divorce the person from their work (assuming it's of some import), at least in part and as long as you're willing to go through all the necessary caveats, understand where it all went wrong and rework it accordingly. Nécropole's case is thankfully clear-cut but I don't like the notion that we don't need to know more about the context. Listening responsibly also consists of parsing said context (which is why I looked up the lyrics after reading a disturbing review of Solarité in a French e-zine), of trying to understand what draws a certain strand of young white men to this garbage, just like I'm also interested in why certain young men are attracted to incel culture. So it's not about contextualizing for the sake of excuses but about trying to understand where the hatred is coming from and what it means, if that makes sense.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 19 January 2019 20:00 (four months ago) Permalink
All in all, I guess I prefer sticking to the Wagner/Heidegger line of defence: both were antisemitic pieces of shit, no doubt about it, but the former influenced Mahler and Schoenberg, whereas the latter's philosophy left an indelible mark on Arendt and Derrida (all four were Jews),
why must you leave oor neechy out of this?
― Oor Neechy, Saturday, 19 January 2019 21:05 (four months ago) Permalink
Anyway the dividing lines for the poll have always been the actual lyrics. If pointed out (usually i cant make any out tbh)
― Oor Neechy, Saturday, 19 January 2019 21:13 (four months ago) Permalink
I'm pretty sure jjj banned Peste Noire one year despite the fact he enjoyed the actual music.
― Oor Neechy, Saturday, 19 January 2019 21:14 (four months ago) Permalink
To be clear on this, can we get nominations removed for anti-christianity or disproportionate violence in the lyrics?
― Siegbran, Sunday, 20 January 2019 11:49 (four months ago) Permalink
I assume any extreme non-racist material is fine. Bands who openly oppose Islam would make for an interesting litmus test.
― pomenitul, Sunday, 20 January 2019 12:02 (four months ago) Permalink
pomenitul 'making excuses' was an unkind reading of what you were saying, sorry about that. I didn't consider the angle you're taking as my attitude towards racists and anti-semites is without nuance or sympathy, they made the choice to be that way and I don't care about the why.
I've just made the personal choice to not to listen to certain bands on ideological grounds, while a) admitting I can only be less than pure in that regard and make exceptions if and when I want and b) leaving anyone else to draw their own lines. Incidentally I'd think Burzum was absolute dull dogshit on a musical level even he wasn't the way he is and I've never heard an avowedly leftist BM band that wasn't a bit poor. So it's not all about politics.
As far as the poll's concerned I think we can all parse the difference between OTT violence, cartoonish anti-christianity and actual racism/hate speech. I'm not clamouring for anything to be removed as again, anyone else can make their own decisions. But even if we combed through every nom and removed anything even slightly dodgy, this is a poll on an obscure music forum, it wouldn't be the thin end of the wedge.
― don't let's be beastly to the gammons (ultros ultros-ghali), Sunday, 20 January 2019 13:25 (four months ago) Permalink
pomenitul - i've thought a great deal about this myself. in the past i was in theory a "separate the artist from the art" kind of person but in practice i can't actually do this sort of thing. my personal guidelines is "no cadaver synods" - if someone's dead they get a free pass. when the artist no longer lives i can generally separate the artist from the art. having said that, however, i am so repulsed by florent schmitt that i am unable to do this in his case.
regarding anti-islamic music - thoughts on someone like abu lahab?
― The Elvis of Nationalism and Amoral Patriotism (rushomancy), Sunday, 20 January 2019 13:57 (four months ago) Permalink
I'm not sure that I'll be seriously participating in the poll (I'll probably follow it, but doubt that I'll vote), so please discount my vote-to-ban yesterday accordingly. People who are more serious about the poll should have more say.
― jmm, Sunday, 20 January 2019 14:12 (four months ago) Permalink
As far as anti-Islamic BM goes, I assume bands that come from Muslim-majority countries would be acceptable (Ayat, for instance). Jewish BM bands heavy on the anti-Judaic (but not antisemitic, obv.) rhetoric would probably be alright as well. Basically any theological contestation from within the community at large is fine, so Abu Lahab (which I wasn't familiar with btw, I'll have to check his stuff out) would be fine in my book. These are easy enough. But what about a European band like Taake? If your goal is to blaspheme against all monotheisms, where do you draw the line? (The 2007 Swastika scandal gave us a pretty good sense of where their allegiances lie, though Hoest argues that their entire shtick 'is built upon provocation and anything evil'.)
― pomenitul, Sunday, 20 January 2019 14:40 (four months ago) Permalink
things were much easier in the old days with totally pished metal bands on lilos in swimming pools
― Oor Neechy, Sunday, 20 January 2019 14:53 (four months ago) Permalink
when the average metalhead would be inspired "hey I could do that".
― Oor Neechy, Sunday, 20 January 2019 14:54 (four months ago) Permalink
The discussions around Slayer back in the 80s were the same, it’s really nothing new. All the arguments back and forth are well-worn.
I personally don’t see the point of “extreme metal (but not too extreme)” but I’m not running this poll. I’ll just nominate and vote and if the results will be sanitized then so be it.
― Siegbran, Sunday, 20 January 2019 17:07 (four months ago) Permalink
― pomenitul, Sunday, 20 January 2019 21:49 (four months ago) Permalink
save us seandalai
― Oor Neechy, Monday, 21 January 2019 01:03 (four months ago) Permalink
I've never heard an avowedly leftist BM band that wasn't a bit poor
ultros, your rym account is how I'd found out about that Sordide record from a couple years ago that I ended up really loving, so it's funny to hear you say this
― slack thompson (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 21 January 2019 06:09 (four months ago) Permalink
This study is required reading then:The Devil is Red: Socialist Satanism in the Nineteenth Century
During the nineteenth century, socialists all over the Western world employed Satan as a symbol of the workers’ emancipation from capitalist tyranny and the toppling of the Christian Church, which they perceived as a protector of this oppressive system. Starting with the English Romantics at the end of the eighteenth century, European radicals developed a discourse of symbolic Satanism, which was put to use by major names in socialism like Godwin, Proudhon, and Bakunin. This shock tactic became especially widespread in turn-of-the-century Sweden, and accordingly the article focuses on the many examples of explicit socialist Satanism in that country. They are contextualized by showing the parallels to, among other things, use of Lucifer as a positive symbol in the realm of alternative spirituality, specifically the Theosophical Society. A number of reasons for why Satan gained such popularity among socialists are suggested, and the sometimes blurry line separating the rhetoric of symbolic Satanism from actual religious writing is scrutinized.
― Siegbran, Monday, 21 January 2019 12:32 (four months ago) Permalink
xp lol blame my poor memory. Though to be fair it's been over 2 years since I last heard that album or even thought about it, and apparently I wasn't overly impressed anyway.
― don't let's be beastly to the gammons (ultros ultros-ghali), Monday, 21 January 2019 14:48 (four months ago) Permalink
hey guys there's no excuse for "I missed the nominations" this time. If you have anything you want to add you're in luck
― Oor Neechy, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 18:58 (four months ago) Permalink
Can I still nominate Ascension - Under Ether - I didn't see it listed. Also Svartidauði - Revelations of the Red Sword is listed twice.
― BlackIronPrison, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 19:55 (four months ago) Permalink
Also Cult Leader - A Patient Man and Pale Divine S/T, please.
― BlackIronPrison, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 19:56 (four months ago) Permalink
Ugh - sorry - House of Atreus - From the Madness of Ixion , too, please?
― BlackIronPrison, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 19:58 (four months ago) Permalink
Augury - Illusive Golden Age Holy Grove - II Dunbarrow - Dunbarrow IIUlthar - Cosmovore Psycroptic - As the Kingdom Drowns Embrace of Thorns - Scorn Aesthetics Mongrel's Cross - Psalter of the Royal Dragon Court Deathhammer - Chained to Hell Arsis - VisitantFaustcoven - In the Shadow of Doom
― BlackIronPrison, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:07 (four months ago) Permalink
― Oor Neechy, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:44 (four months ago) Permalink
― Ian Grey, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 08:07 (four months ago) Permalink
Closet Witch - Closet Witch
if it's not too late
― blood, loud screaming and nudity (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 08:19 (four months ago) Permalink
― Oor Neechy, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 16:29 (four months ago) Permalink
I think voting might be able to start around friday/the weekend im not sure though.
― Oor Neechy, Thursday, 24 January 2019 16:43 (four months ago) Permalink
Here's an aggregate EOY list, should it spark any last minute ideas:
― pomenitul, Friday, 25 January 2019 19:20 (four months ago) Permalink
Metal coverage continues to fall further from the mainstream: Over the past two years of writing these articles I’ve focused on the trend of metal falling out of favor with bigger, more mainstream publications, especially print newspapers. In the past few years we’ve seen a major contraction in metal coverage – extensive or even cursory – over many websites and publications. Unfortunately this appears to be a trend with no real end in sight, and we can add yet another publication of note to the list who has dropped their coverage and didn’t even bother publishing a year-end list for 2018: UK’s The Guardian. Perhaps it seems strange now that such an institution ever covered metal in any serious way, but given that the New York Times still had a full-time music journalist covering metal up until a couple of years ago, it shouldn’t. It’s a shame that as metal has continued to grow and advance and, ironically, be more accepted in the mainstream as possibly ever, it’s becoming harder and harder to access high-quality writing and coverage on it. In that sense it’s no surprise that what remains feels like it lacks in diversity and curation beyond the biggest names from the biggest labels. In many ways metal journalism is fighting for its life, and for many reasons signs point towards it losing that fight.
― Oor Neechy, Friday, 25 January 2019 19:37 (four months ago) Permalink
So, when's the voting deadline?
― imago, Sunday, 27 January 2019 14:11 (four months ago) Permalink
It's almost certainly too late, but just in case:
Mansion - First Death of the Lutheran
― tangenttangent, Sunday, 27 January 2019 15:00 (four months ago) Permalink
only the drugs can tell us that, imago.
I've added it, is it imago's band?Mansion - Attack of the Death Grey Lantern?
― Oor Neechy, Sunday, 27 January 2019 16:47 (four months ago) Permalink
the og plan was to have voting end a week after big poll rollout but the delay there has put paid to that most likely as 2018 was so long ago now!
― Oor Neechy, Sunday, 27 January 2019 17:08 (four months ago) Permalink
on the bright side there is no excuse for not having heard all the albums you want to now to top up what you heard the entire year since the noms started a month ago
― Oor Neechy, Sunday, 27 January 2019 17:10 (four months ago) Permalink
rights the drugs family and I have consulted and it will be a 2 week voting period so the results rollout the monday after the big albums poll.
― Oor Neechy, Sunday, 27 January 2019 17:50 (four months ago) Permalink
voting hopefully will start tonight or tomorrow
― Oor Neechy, Sunday, 27 January 2019 17:51 (four months ago) Permalink
Nominations now CLOSED.
Voting will be live shortly
― Oor Neechy, Sunday, 27 January 2019 22:01 (four months ago) Permalink
The 2018 ILX Metal n' Heavy Rock Poll VOTING + CAMPAIGNING thread! Ballots due Saturday, Feb. 2nd!
― slack thompson (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 27 January 2019 22:10 (four months ago) Permalink