Autechre - NTS Session 4 POLL

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Pick a favorite from the epic ambient session

Poll Results

OptionVotes
all end 10
column thirteen 9
mirrage 2
shimripl casual 2
frane casual 0


octobeard, Saturday, 8 December 2018 23:58 (eight months ago) link

all end is all time

Dan S, Sunday, 9 December 2018 00:04 (eight months ago) link

this one is tough imo, the middle three might be the highlight of the whole release for me.

macropuente (map), Sunday, 9 December 2018 00:23 (eight months ago) link

this is the best of the 4 I think

Dan S, Sunday, 9 December 2018 00:26 (eight months ago) link

four

Dan S, Sunday, 9 December 2018 00:27 (eight months ago) link

yeah. it definitely feels the most focused as a statement I think. every track is really strong.

macropuente (map), Sunday, 9 December 2018 00:33 (eight months ago) link

it is trippy as hell. want to say it exudes a cosmic darkness lol.

macropuente (map), Sunday, 9 December 2018 00:46 (eight months ago) link

There will be twenty thoughtful posts about the middle of the record and then All End will win by 15.

Uhura Mazda (lukas), Sunday, 9 December 2018 00:58 (eight months ago) link

music like “all end” is not something I’ve ever quite heard before. I know most people don’t relate to drones or ‘unchanging' music, but being carried into a trance by this kind of music is really underrated imo

Dan S, Sunday, 9 December 2018 01:03 (eight months ago) link

There is a dissonance between the fact that "all end" is literally the end of "bladelores" blown out to an hour, and the fact that it has smashed me to an emotional pulp several times, and listening to the full thing feels like a luxury not a labour.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Sunday, 9 December 2018 01:16 (eight months ago) link

oh I voted the hell out of it. it's just kinda hard to talk about.

Uhura Mazda (lukas), Sunday, 9 December 2018 01:44 (eight months ago) link

really all of this 2 hours is amazing

Dan S, Sunday, 9 December 2018 01:58 (eight months ago) link

i'm v into unchanging drones (cf kevin drumm) but i'm not gaga about all end. tonally i think it just doesn't do much for me. i get why people love it though.

i'm going to throw a vote to 'mirrage' because it gets to a feeling i've only ever felt while listening to zeit by tangerine dream -- this deep outer space empty dread. idk it's just remarkable to me that they did it so well, i wasn't expecting that kind of move from them. i mean they've always flirted with dark ambient i guess but that track is a dark ambient mini masterpiece. my real favorite here is 'column 13' though, that has crazy depths i feel like i can't quite fathom every time i listen to it.

macropuente (map), Sunday, 9 December 2018 03:29 (eight months ago) link

imagine the out-of-world elements of the 2017 Twin Peaks soundtracked with "mirrage"

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Sunday, 9 December 2018 04:00 (eight months ago) link

my favorite of the 4 by far.

column thirteen

flappy bird, Sunday, 9 December 2018 05:31 (eight months ago) link

i wouldn't say all end is unchanging - it feels like a static, shimmering cloud, with a rapidly shifting intensity... or there's a weird limiting effect, similar to the outro of nodezsh. it bears a superficial resemblance to instances of Tim Hecker's music on Virgins and/or Ravedeath, in its 'bright' density of glassy-textured sound spectra. kevin drumm's drone stuff (on Imperial Distortion) feels heavier, and less stacked somehow, with deeper or more involving movement and tangible mass.

this 'moment', stretched out (all end), kinda diminishes its 'special-ness' that it has as the outro for bladelores. it doesn't feel like there's much to it, but i could just be not ready to 'receive' it, appreciate it, or whatever

braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Sunday, 9 December 2018 07:17 (eight months ago) link

Thanks Lowell, part of what you're saying is what I was trying to convey by putting 'unchanging' in quotes. Listening closely it's clear that "all end" contains a whole world, and is ever-changing in subtle ways right to the end. For me its hour length doesn't feel excessive

Dan S, Sunday, 9 December 2018 07:39 (eight months ago) link

haven't really felt the kind of constant subliminal movement in Kevin Drumm's music as I experience with this (but his discography is huge). I love Tim Hecker's Ravedeath and especially Virgins, but to me they feel very different, maybe as intense but more varied and not as relentless

Dan S, Sunday, 9 December 2018 07:58 (eight months ago) link

listening to Ravedeath again, maybe not as intense. "all end" feels like it's inducing an auditory hallucination

Dan S, Sunday, 9 December 2018 08:06 (eight months ago) link

the lysergic effect of "all end" reminds me if anything of Coil's Time Machines

Dan S, Sunday, 9 December 2018 08:13 (eight months ago) link

do some folks live in an alternate reality where andrew chalk, eliane radigue, & asmus tietchens do not exist?

massaman gai (front tea for two), Sunday, 9 December 2018 09:08 (eight months ago) link

i do like spending time in the haunted spacestation, but juking, dabbing, and/or teabagging in the haunted space station presents a number of health & safety issues

massaman gai (front tea for two), Sunday, 9 December 2018 09:12 (eight months ago) link

I was just thinking how it's nice that by decoupling from the beats this session connects most directly to the OG electronic music avant-garde, but with more reverb.

The First (Noel Emits), Sunday, 9 December 2018 09:16 (eight months ago) link

dagnabbit that digital rvb is a lazy crutch

massaman gai (front tea for two), Sunday, 9 December 2018 09:46 (eight months ago) link

I can't see every sitting through "all end" again. I must have listened to the rest of this box ten times since it was released, but skipped this one every time after my first listen. Maybe I've heard too much Eliane Radigue and Andrew Chalk, but then again maybe I have less time in my life for the aural equivalent of magic eye paintings. I'm glad the track exists, and it seems a very Ae way to end this box, but, eh, it isn't for me.

How anyone can vote for anything except "column thirteen" is beyond me. Dissonant, mysterious, and dense like the best Ae. Sounds like the combination of six or seven different melodic pieces for marimba, gamelan, and doorbell rendered with incredible sonic detail. Just magnificent.

If I could have voted for the transition between "mirrage" and "column thirteen," I might have done that! Grateful Dead, eat your heart out

Paul Ponzi, Sunday, 9 December 2018 14:30 (eight months ago) link

I was just thinking how it's nice that by decoupling from the beats this session connects most directly to the OG electronic music avant-garde, but with more reverb.

― The First (Noel Emits), Sunday, December 9, 2018 1:16 AM (fifteen hours ago)

dagnabbit that digital rvb is a lazy crutch

― massaman gai (front tea for two), Sunday, December 9, 2018 1:46 AM (fourteen hours ago)

"by decoupling from the beats this session connects most directly to the OG electronic music avant-garde" makes sense to me. Otoh I'm not a musician and am not sure what you guys mean by digital reverb, or how it might be a crutch. the sound on this is as distinct to me as the music I've heard of Eliane Radigue (I love her music too)

Dan S, Monday, 10 December 2018 00:44 (eight months ago) link

used to get annoyed by the digi reverb but now i find it sort of comforting, idk. the one thing they've always used.

macropuente (map), Monday, 10 December 2018 02:52 (eight months ago) link

Dissonant, mysterious, and dense like the best Ae. Sounds like the combination of six or seven different melodic pieces for marimba, gamelan, and doorbell rendered with incredible sonic detail. Just magnificent.

this is otm, rainbows within rainbows.

macropuente (map), Monday, 10 December 2018 02:53 (eight months ago) link

the digi reverb is the setting you turn up that makes your key strike sound like it's been played in a 5-acre palace. they have been turning that shit up to 11 million on lots of different tracks since at least "vletrmx". idk there's something charmingly b-boy about it imo.

macropuente (map), Monday, 10 December 2018 02:56 (eight months ago) link

there's still a lot of electro in them

macropuente (map), Monday, 10 December 2018 02:58 (eight months ago) link

I adore every track on this set, especially mirrage and column thirteen (the latter being gorgeously accessible and trance like ambient, cosmic electro), and on the surface either one of these could be my pick, but all end has taken me to a space few, if any, other songs have. Maybe Laraaji's Sung Gong or some local sound mediation performances using gongs and delay/reverb effects in San Francisco's Grace Cathedral, but that's about it. Sound mediation at its finest, but more alien and abstract. It's incredible. The way the underlying tones pulse and mutate underneath the unrelenting granular chord that dominates the mix creates this visceral organic texture in my mind visually. Very easy to get lost in it and to lose your sense of self. It is kind of a more digestible expression of the constant, hypnotic chaos at the end of Lentic Catachresis. The vinyl release splits it into 3 sections, about 20 minutes a side. It's a really great way to take in all end as a smaller and more casually digestible composition (definitely recommend part 3 for this). I consider it a capstone track to their very large and very brilliant oeuvre.

octobeard, Monday, 10 December 2018 05:01 (eight months ago) link

I do need to be in a certain headspace to take in all end in a single sitting, but when that happens, it's been incredibly rewarding, whether as sober sound meditation or the backdrop to an intense psychedelic journey.

it is trippy as hell. want to say it exudes a cosmic darkness lol.

― macropuente (map), Saturday, December 8, 2018 4:46 PM (yesterday)

absolutely otm

octobeard, Monday, 10 December 2018 05:07 (eight months ago) link

dagnabbit that digital rvb is a lazy crutch

― massaman gai

ironically I think this is the main problem with the post-vinyl output of Asmus Tietchens! (i.e. the mid-90's until now)

sleeve, Monday, 10 December 2018 05:16 (eight months ago) link

It's not as if they just flick a big 'add reverb' switch. On a single track some instruments/sounds/channels will have heavy reverb, some light, some none, some variable, iirc they will even key the reverb on one channel to the output of another.

Toss another shrimpl air on the bbqbbq (ledge), Monday, 10 December 2018 09:04 (eight months ago) link

Not only that, but the ultra-dry kick drum is the signature of the Autechre sound to me.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Monday, 10 December 2018 09:42 (eight months ago) link

So, after this we get to have a poll ranking the four sessions, right?

I think I would vote for 3, which I find is underrated here (see poll)

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 10 December 2018 13:51 (eight months ago) link

has a track ever deserved / demanded fade-out as much as All End?

Uhura Mazda (lukas), Monday, 10 December 2018 20:41 (eight months ago) link

So, after this we get to have a poll ranking the four sessions, right?

The whole thing almost needs its own ballot poll (sessions/songs). But yeah I'm assuming that's the next natural pollgression.

octobeard, Monday, 10 December 2018 22:07 (eight months ago) link

A ballot poll? Sounds like a crazy idea to me.

The First (Noel Emits), Monday, 10 December 2018 22:29 (eight months ago) link

next is to poll all those stretchy picture videos

frame casual (dog latin), Monday, 10 December 2018 22:53 (eight months ago) link

C'mon, let's keep polling this till 2020.

Toss another shrimpl air on the bbqbbq (ledge), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 08:48 (eight months ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 00:01 (eight months ago) link

*bites nails*

macropuente (map), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 00:06 (eight months ago) link

God I still haven't listened to this one enough to make an informed decision

frame casual (dog latin), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 00:41 (eight months ago) link

kinda wish I voted for mirrage

flappy bird, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 00:42 (eight months ago) link

i did! i bet frane casual gets 0 and the rest get at least 1

macropuente (map), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 00:50 (eight months ago) link

if all end was split into 3 parts like on the vinyl release, which would you vote for?

octobeard, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:30 (eight months ago) link

here we go

frogbs, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:59 (eight months ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Thursday, 20 December 2018 00:01 (eight months ago) link

wow! really surprised frane got 0

flappy bird, Thursday, 20 December 2018 00:02 (eight months ago) link

ugh, you "all end" people

Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 20 December 2018 00:06 (eight months ago) link

This was closer than I thought. I mean column thirteen almost won!

octobeard, Thursday, 20 December 2018 00:38 (eight months ago) link

who was the other mirrage voter

macropuente (map), Thursday, 20 December 2018 04:57 (eight months ago) link

a totally worthy winner. and since it got the most votes of any track in the four polls it's officially the best track of all!

Toss another shrimpl air on the bbqbbq (ledge), Thursday, 20 December 2018 09:13 (eight months ago) link

checks out

flappy bird, Thursday, 20 December 2018 16:33 (eight months ago) link

These are insane results, 'all end' is a scam (or a joke). Pretty sure it's just the other tracks run through Paulstretch. Most throwaway track out of all four sessions.

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 20 December 2018 16:57 (eight months ago) link

you're right that 'all end' is a timestretched version of the end of bladelores (from Exai)

i see where you're coming from in your frustration with it. it probably took them 5 minutes to accomplish (not counting the time it took to make Bladelores). and pretty much anything that is relatively short sounds pretty damn great when stretched out to an hour (imo). so it can be seen/heard as a lazy gimmick.

on the other hand, the degree of difficulty in making a track has nothing to do with the emotional impact that it has on a listener, or the enjoyment that they get out of when thinking of it conceptually, even. that's not a new argument, i don't think - i imagine a bunch of people debated this when monochromatic paintings were all the rage

Karl Malone, Thursday, 20 December 2018 17:14 (eight months ago) link

I get that, and I know people love the sound of extreme timestretching, but I also did not get enjoyment out of it. Mostly because that sound is very familiar to me and I'm burned out on it (primarily from messing around with it on my own).

Cool to know that's the source track though, thanks.

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 20 December 2018 17:33 (eight months ago) link

i'm 99% sure that's right (i found it on some reddit thread)

i know Lowell N. Behold'n identified the source on one of the autechre thread, but i couldn't find it.

Karl Malone, Thursday, 20 December 2018 17:38 (eight months ago) link

Sean said as much in an interview - either the one for Italian Rolling Stone or the interview they did in Japan when they played there this year.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:30 (eight months ago) link

it's not timestretched though? it's the exact same pitch/octave with no artifacts or anything... just a longer extrapolation of that section/patch

linee, Friday, 21 December 2018 06:46 (eight months ago) link

I think those algorithms/plugins are able to extend duration without changing pitch, by repeating tiny slivers of the waveform (like granular synthesis if I understand it right)

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Friday, 21 December 2018 11:08 (eight months ago) link

what would've been nice is mentioning this poll in Poll 3 so we could've noticed it before it closed.

koogs, Sunday, 23 December 2018 13:26 (eight months ago) link

i'd've voted column thirteen.

koogs, Sunday, 23 December 2018 13:28 (eight months ago) link

seven months pass...

Hey we never polled the individual discs, did we? We should get on that. I still listen to this (well parts of it) at least once a week

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 5 August 2019 11:17 (two weeks ago) link

Create it! Will be a tough choice for me.

octobeard, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 00:29 (two weeks ago) link


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