Lindsey Buckingham: C o' D?

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So anyway he's always been a semi-guilty pleasure of mine, sealing the deal on the Fleetwood Mac songs I love, always liked his guitar playing, actually making me enjoy Tom Petty's "Walls" when it popped up on the radio a few years ago. Anyhow, I'm in the SuperWalMart and "Tusk" comes on the PA, then I come home and flip through the channels and on VH1 Classics they're showing the video to "Holiday Road" from National Lampoon's Vacation, which unbeknownst to me was performed by Lindsey Buckingham. Plus the way he preens and poses in those awful early eighties videos always amuses me. He looks like a combination of Prince and Don Henley.

James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 16 November 2002 09:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Classic. I've always felt that he should be lauded more for his guitar playing. He has a knack for playing intricate melody lines that always work well with the songs, as well as being as memorable as the vocal melodies. Plus, I really am impressed with his pseudo-classical guitar finger picking. It's a shame that such talent keeps such a low profile.

bahtology, Saturday, 16 November 2002 12:41 (eighteen years ago) link

"Tusk" the song is pretty absurd, but the other Fleetwood Mac songs I know of his are great and "Law & Order" has some wonderful stuff on it. "Trouble" has made numerous mixtapes I've made for people. One of the few eccentric greats I enjoy from the LA scene. I sense more joy in his works than say, the Eagles or Zevon.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 16 November 2002 18:32 (eighteen years ago) link

He looks like a combination of Prince and Don Henley.

Classic

brg30 (brg30), Saturday, 16 November 2002 18:47 (eighteen years ago) link

At the very least, as a producer and a guitarist, completely classic.

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Sunday, 17 November 2002 00:58 (eighteen years ago) link

four months pass...
The producer aspect is so often overlooked, I think...two of my favorite Buckingham production jobs were "Gold" for John Stewart (late '70s vintage) and Matthew Sweet's cover of "Magnet And Steel" (mid '90s vintage), both tracks featuring nice freak-out solos by Buckingham. So so so underrated.

Erick H (Erick H), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 13:53 (eighteen years ago) link

reminds me: a few years back i exchanged my copy of Liz Phair's Exile In Guyville for Buckingham's Out Of The Cradle (that a friend had)
still happy with the swop, me ...not that i think Cradle is exactly the best thing LB has done, but it ain't poorer than FMac's 80s albs
sure, LB a great producer and a very fine guitarist (or at least he has been)

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 14:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Total Classic. He performed on Saturday Night Live way back when .. he did "Trouble" & "Bwana". He did the most amazing guitar solo on Trouble... I think his records sometimes suffer from overproduction (Out of the Cradle especially..) But he is an amazing guitarist, singer, writer.

dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 14:23 (eighteen years ago) link

three years pass...
New album in October!

Lindsey Buckingham finally releases a new album, Under The Skin, on 10/3. He tells USA Today

[It's] kind of a reduction. There are basically no drums, very little bass. On a musical level, I've been trying to distill things. This is the best time in my life, and that's a great thing to be able to say when you're 56, and didn't become a father till you were 48.

He plans another “more rocking” album next year and (finally) a solo U.S. tour. “It's a turnaround, time-frame-wise, for someone who's been sort of the Terrence Malick of rock,” he admits.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Sunday, 13 August 2006 02:47 (fifteen years ago) link

It's pretty incredible that someone would have felt guilt about this four years ago.

Sundar (sundar), Sunday, 13 August 2006 03:02 (fifteen years ago) link

So fucking nervy. An exploding little man. Ben Stiller's MR FURIOUS persona for real. Genius, classic.

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 13 August 2006 03:42 (fifteen years ago) link

You are not alone. This is truly great news. I have heard rumours that he has scrapped several albums over the years. I remember reading an interview with R.E.M where the journalist followed Peter Buck around for a few days. One of Buck's 'errands' was going to a studio to give Lindsey Buckingham some feedback on his new recordings. The journalist made a point of commenting on how stressed Buckingham looked and how he was manically scribbling down Buck's comments on a notepad. Seemed a little bit sad...
Posted by: ani at August 11, 2006 12:23 PM

anyone have a copy of this interview?

you're killing me, larry! (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 13 August 2006 04:46 (fifteen years ago) link

Classic--

and i guess quite the water polo player..my friend and i were perusing his mom's high school yearbook (i think a school in Palo Alto?) only to find Lindsey mid ball-toss in the pool...He signed something lame, like "Kristen--Government was classic. Big Love...LB" (not verbatim, but something trivial). And that, friends, is my Lindsey Buckingham story.

J. Grizzle (trainsmoke), Sunday, 13 August 2006 04:53 (fifteen years ago) link

this is pretty much the best clip on Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yllqie08a7U

Stormy Davis (diamond), Sunday, 13 August 2006 06:22 (fifteen years ago) link

dud

Igor Adkins (Grodd), Sunday, 13 August 2006 06:39 (fifteen years ago) link

Mr Wrong O'Wrongson, I presume?

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 07:18 (fifteen years ago) link

He's just super classic. And "Tusk" is one of the best albums ever.

Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 12:02 (fifteen years ago) link

Let's not overlook Go Crazy.

Tripmaker (SDWitzm), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 12:23 (fifteen years ago) link

Classic.

Out of the Cradle is a great album and some of his guitar noodling is incredible.

Sean Robison (yaratnam), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 23:20 (fifteen years ago) link

D'you mean "Go Insane"? I got that sealed for $5 once, that was a good day. Pretty gorgeous rec.

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 23:28 (fifteen years ago) link

Classic for "Never Going Back Again" alone. Incredible guitar player.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 23:55 (fifteen years ago) link

"Big Love" still sucks, though.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 23:55 (fifteen years ago) link

Mr. Snrub did you ever hear the live version of "Big Love" from The Dance? It is the most amazing thing ever.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 17 August 2006 00:22 (fifteen years ago) link

His reinvention of "Go Insane" is even more breathtaking.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 17 August 2006 00:34 (fifteen years ago) link

Classic. Interesting credit I just learned about yesterday: apparently he plays guitar on the Josie Cotton version of "Jimmy Loves Maryann." (orig. spelling "Jimmy Loves Mary-Anne")

Ruud Haarvest (Ken L), Thursday, 17 August 2006 00:49 (fifteen years ago) link

one month passes...
anyone listen to the new one yet?

jaxon (jaxon), Thursday, 5 October 2006 21:46 (fourteen years ago) link

The new one is by far his most consistent solo release. Very stripped down - the bulk of the album is guitar and vocals. Great cover of the Stones' "I Am Waiting".

Love it.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Thursday, 5 October 2006 22:43 (fourteen years ago) link

ooh

electric sound of jim [and why not] (electricsound), Thursday, 5 October 2006 22:44 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't have the album yet, but I really like the clip of "Show You How" on his website. I'm hoping to catch his solo tour in Falls Church, VA on Monday night.

John Fredland (jfredland), Thursday, 5 October 2006 22:50 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

I just bought Out of the Cradle. Seems good so far (his guitar playing is, as always, amazingly clean and crisp (and he can be bluesy, too)). Crazy comparison, but Surrender the Rain sounds a little like a Richard Hawley song, to me (not a bad thing at all!).

Anyone else have this disc? Like it?

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 20 January 2008 15:41 (thirteen years ago) link

beautiful record.
probably his best solo record.

Zeno, Sunday, 20 January 2008 16:13 (thirteen years ago) link

Haven't heard it in years, but I agree it's his best, with consistently beautiful guitar. "Soul Drifter" and "Turn it On" (is that the right title?) are favorites.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 20 January 2008 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link

I know they're solo discs, but now I'm wishing that Buckingham gave his solo songs more of a full-band feel. Down on Rodeo, for instance, from Under the Skin, has a great SoCal-drenched band feel (obv., the presence of Fleetwood Mac and John McVie helps), and it worked beautifully.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 20 January 2008 18:11 (thirteen years ago) link

Buckingham is god.

jim, Sunday, 20 January 2008 20:30 (thirteen years ago) link

UH

I guess that's more true than "Clapton is God," but still...

Classic (but not god).

Rock Hardy, Sunday, 20 January 2008 20:40 (thirteen years ago) link

He's a brilliant guitarist. I'm pleased at the love he's getting on this thread, instead of just hailing him as a mere singing/songwriting/producing genius. My favourite Lindsey look is the besuited, droopy afro'ed one on the inside sleeve of the 1975 album. Someone post an image, please!

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 20 January 2008 22:39 (thirteen years ago) link

he turns 60 this year

omar little, Sunday, 20 January 2008 22:45 (thirteen years ago) link

60? Wow. He looks younger. See the photo on the cover of Under the Skin.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 20 January 2008 22:58 (thirteen years ago) link

He is classic for "Tango In The Night" alone. Although that album is usually underrated when compared to their most popular mid 70s work.

Geir Hongro, Sunday, 20 January 2008 23:05 (thirteen years ago) link

He's classic for a lot of the Fleetwood Mac stuff, but his solo discs have a very different sound and feel (not worse, by any means, just v. different).

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 21 January 2008 00:06 (thirteen years ago) link

I may be misreading, but it looks like Under The Skin is available from Amazon for 99 cents.

dlp9001, Monday, 21 January 2008 01:48 (thirteen years ago) link

'Under the Skin' was a tremendously strong album. Man, such a shame that it barely received any attention at all.

Stormy Davis, Monday, 21 January 2008 02:42 (thirteen years ago) link

I may be misreading, but it looks like Under The Skin is available from Amazon for 99 cents.

Sadly, I'm not surprised. It's amazing to me that such a talented -- and successful (with his band) -- artist has had such trouble finding an audience.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 21 January 2008 03:00 (thirteen years ago) link

maybe thats because he became too old for the youngsters and too "arty" and minimalist for the mainstream listeners.
or u can blame it on bad marketing.

Zeno, Monday, 21 January 2008 17:50 (thirteen years ago) link

I still spin "Go Insane" on Dj nights. Such a great single.

Nate Carson, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 00:25 (thirteen years ago) link

Under the Skin is very nice, yes. I thought I'd never want to hear another Stones cover until "I Am Waiting" started to play.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 00:27 (thirteen years ago) link

this is pretty much the best clip on Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yllqie08a7U

-- Stormy Davis (diamond),

This video has been removed due to terms of use violation.

Damn. What was that clip, Stormy?

Myonga Vön Bontee, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 06:22 (thirteen years ago) link

six months pass...

new album out in a couple of months!!!

Marco Damiani, Thursday, 24 July 2008 15:24 (thirteen years ago) link

god his last one was amazing

jamescobo, Thursday, 24 July 2008 16:44 (thirteen years ago) link

http://i34.tinypic.com/3450940.jpg
My favourite Lindsey look

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 24 July 2008 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link

I read somewhere that the Beatles never carried money or wallets post-Beatlemania.

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 9 September 2021 16:54 (two weeks ago) link

Picasso never needed a wallet.

birdistheword, Thursday, 9 September 2021 17:00 (two weeks ago) link

Would anything have been missed, musically, if he had just kept his distance from the band post 1988? A couple of songs on Say You Will, maybe? Plus a stronger solo career, which seems to be his focus anyway?

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 9 September 2021 17:14 (two weeks ago) link

he should forget about FM, join forces with & write an album for little big town. it would rule....maybe even reach the charts.

Thus Sang Freud, Thursday, 9 September 2021 17:25 (two weeks ago) link

xpost I think what's clear is that it's the *band* that needed him. Even "Tango," a lot of that is essentially solo Bucky, as was "Tusk." They had to lure him back (again) for the reunion, and then lured him back *again* for Say You Will, because they needed his (more or less complete) songs. As the Times article noted, his new solo album was apparently done 4 years ago, so he's just been sitting on his hands (health scares aside). No doubt had the band decided to do something in the studio they would have borrowed at least some of his solo stuff (as they did for Say You Will). Neil Finn and Mike Campbell are great, great songwriters, but there is no way this current version of FM (which is probably done, anyway) is going to write and record anything new. They're too cautious and unmotivated. That's the crux of it.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 September 2021 17:41 (two weeks ago) link

Nicks has said she has no interest in a new album because she thinks it won't sell or something.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 September 2021 17:54 (two weeks ago) link

Xp Didn’t Lindsey quit/got fired because he was pushing for recording new material rather than touring? Stevie made it pretty clear that she didn’t see the financial point in putting out new music

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 9 September 2021 17:56 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah, both right. I was just thinking of the Stevie quote above, "Fleetwood Mac, a band whose legacy is rooted in evolution and change, found a new path forward with two hugely talented new members." It was no new path forward, it was a way to ensure the tour obligations were met. If it was really an "evolution" akin to the band's past history, Finn and Campbell would contribute to a new album, but no way that's happening.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 September 2021 18:05 (two weeks ago) link

They should put out an album called Campell Finn and recreate the Buckingham Nicks cover photo and font.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 9 September 2021 18:46 (two weeks ago) link

clearly Lindsay could get along with everyone but Stevie, as there was that 2017 record that by all rights is a Fleetwood Mac record but they couldn't call it that cuz Nicks wasn't involved…

veronica moser, Thursday, 9 September 2021 19:09 (two weeks ago) link

It's hard to really feel like there are good guys and bad guys here, just a bunch of rich weirdos (not as rich as they'd like, I guess) with different priorities. I don't begrudge Stevie being at a point where she's like, "Let's just go out and play the songs people love and get their adulation and money." Or Lindsey still wanting to create new stuff. I can understand both of those POVs.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 9 September 2021 19:14 (two weeks ago) link

Team Both Sides.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 September 2021 19:46 (two weeks ago) link

I've looked at Mac from both sides now

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 9 September 2021 19:52 (two weeks ago) link

I used to think all these rock stars would age out of their stupid grudges - if Axl Rose can do it, surely anybody can, right? But I guess there’s something in the water in Laurel Canyon that turns everyone into 16 year olds, emotionally, forever. I still think in FM and CSNY’s case things have basically shaken out to separate the children from the adults, even if we’re speaking in relative terms - whether it’s 3 or 4 against 1, the lone guy is definitely the child and the asshole. As much as Lindsey was the architect of the FM sound, we already know he’s an abuser - I really don’t think Stevie has to explain why she never wants to work with him again, but if these tantrums keep playing out in public she might.

thewufs, Friday, 10 September 2021 01:35 (two weeks ago) link

With CSNY I always thought Stills was the asshole. Just like with the Eagles I thought Don was king prick. I was wrong. But again you have to add “relatively speaking” with these fucking people.

thewufs, Friday, 10 September 2021 01:41 (two weeks ago) link

'scream' is incredible #teamlindsey

flopson, Friday, 10 September 2021 02:14 (two weeks ago) link

Stevie Nicks was nervous. It was 1973, and the then-25-year-old singer and her guitarist boyfriend Lindsey Buckingham were posing for the cover of their first album, “Buckingham Nicks.”

Their record label had asked the duo to look “sexy,” and the bookish Nicks was already feeling self-conscious when the photographer told her to remove her diaphanous white blouse.

She didn’t want to do it. Buckingham lost it.stevie

“Don’t be a f–king child,” the then-24-year-old guitarist snapped. “This is art!”

Nicks and Buckingham met in high school in San Mateo, Calif. They were in a band called Fritz when they decided to move to Los Angeles and launch a career as a duo in 1971.

Yet while Nicks hustled to make rent, cleaning houses and waiting tables, Buckingham, who said he couldn’t work because he had to devote himself to music full-time, would spend most of the day smoking hash with his friends.One time, during a heated argument in front of the band in 1987, Buckingham, the book says, “manhandled Stevie, slapped her face and bent her backward over the hood of his car. He put his fingers around her neck and started to choke her.”

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 10 September 2021 17:07 (two weeks ago) link

yeah, that 1987 incident was talked about at the time; it's insane how much perfidy we excused for the sake of Solitary Male Genius.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 September 2021 17:16 (two weeks ago) link

I like the music obv but him comparing her to Trump was so infuriating in context

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 10 September 2021 17:17 (two weeks ago) link

stevie released as statement

https://www.nme.com/news/music/stevie-nicks-makes-first-public-statement-on-lindsey-buckinghams-exit-from-fleetwood-mac-3041963

“Following an exceedingly difficult time with Lindsey at MusiCares in New York, in 2018, I decided for myself that I was no longer willing to work with him. I could publicly reflect on the many reasons why, and perhaps I will do that someday in a memoir, but suffice it to say we could start in 1968 and work up to 2018 with a litany of very precise reasons why I will not work with him.

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“To be exceedingly clear, I did not have him fired, I did not ask for him to be fired, I did not demand he be fired. Frankly, I fired myself. I proactively removed myself from the band and a situation I considered to be toxic to my well-being. I was done. If the band went on without me, so be it.

“I have championed independence my whole life, and I believe every human being should have the absolute freedom to set their boundaries of what they can and cannot work with. And after many lengthy group discussions, Fleetwood Mac, a band whose legacy is rooted in evolution and change, found a new path forward with two hugely talented new members.

“Further to that, as for a comment on “family”—I was thrilled for Lindsey when he had children, but I wasn’t interested in making those same life choices. Those are my decisions that I get to make for myself. I’m proud of the life choices I’ve made, and it seems a shame for him to pass judgment on anyone who makes a choice to live their life on their own terms, even if it looks differently from what his life choices have been.”

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 10 September 2021 17:27 (two weeks ago) link

Really great review for Pitchfork, Alfred --

https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/lindsey-buckingham-lindsey-buckingham/

Indexed, Tuesday, 14 September 2021 14:17 (two weeks ago) link

Thanks!

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 September 2021 14:37 (two weeks ago) link

really enjoyed that, made me want to check out the album

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 14 September 2021 15:12 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah, a good 'un. He can be tricky to write about on his own terms, but you pulled it off.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 14 September 2021 15:15 (two weeks ago) link

A pain in the ass too, for I didn't wanna concentrate on The Drama.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 September 2021 15:19 (two weeks ago) link

“In the blissful exile of the recording studio, Lindsey Buckingham dreams of a dozen music boxes tinkling beautifully in various keys without cease.”Wow! @SotoAlfred is new to me but now has my attention. Throwing heat on @pitchfork. https://t.co/Yn24DSP3yS

— Michael Chabon (@michaelchabon) September 14, 2021

great review, deserves the accolades

lukas, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 00:50 (one week ago) link

cool

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 14:05 (one week ago) link

stevie effectively giving an ultimatum after whatever happened between them at musicares makes way more sense than any of the other narratives that had previously been thrown around

ufo, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 14:12 (one week ago) link

Pretty awesome - outstanding job Alfred!

birdistheword, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 15:27 (one week ago) link

thanks all!

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 17:09 (one week ago) link

I've noticed that cheap concert tickets have been surprisingly easy to come by in NYC. It must be COVID that's impacting the demand but I took a risk on Buckingham's show tonight as the side areas were pretty empty and I found a pair on the outer edge that someone wanted to unload for about half their face value after fees. Excellent, excellent show, I've never seen a performer of this level more happy and grateful to be on a stage. Only downside was hearing some misogynist douchebag yelling an insult about Stevie Nicks.

birdistheword, Friday, 17 September 2021 07:02 (one week ago) link

haha "swan song" has breakbeats!

ufo, Friday, 17 September 2021 09:40 (one week ago) link

something really funny about him getting into late 90s drum loops 25 years late

ufo, Friday, 17 September 2021 09:59 (one week ago) link

"Power Down" is my jam.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 September 2021 10:00 (one week ago) link

Marc Maron interview with him: http://www.wtfpod.com/podcast/episode-1248-lindsey-buckingham?fbclid=IwAR3BOMbdMsY4IDy6fm11Z0Wrr33M1w3oPYYA68ForYAtHPfeQFieyLQyuqY

Snarky remarks on the Kirwan-Welch period, what he calls "the non-sequitur" years.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 September 2021 21:26 (one week ago) link

i.e the best ever

Taliban! (PBKR), Friday, 17 September 2021 23:52 (one week ago) link

I concur with everyone, great album, first half in particular. On first listen I thought it might be feel like there were FM ghosts on it, that I'd want to hear these songs played by them, but that didn't wind up being the case.

akm, Saturday, 18 September 2021 00:49 (one week ago) link

“I Don’t Mind” is pretty undeniable. It’s also pretty clearly a track he wrote for FM – the background vocal oohs and flutters are tailor-made for Nicks and McVie.

As for him getting the boot from FM, my theory has been that Nicks came to the realization post-MeToo that she shouldn’t live with an unrepentant abuser in her life any longer, no matter how good the music they make together is. Her recent statement pretty much does nothing to dispel that theory.

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 21 September 2021 04:40 (one week ago) link

Based on re-reading this thread and Alfred’s appreciation for it, I listened to Out of the Cradle this am and was … not super moved by it. For one, despite being 48 minutes it feels like 70, with all the interludes and whatnot. A lot of the tracks sort of bleed together as well – with fuzzy, aggressively fingerpicked guitars, similar tempos and a very early 90’s production polish. It feels like a record that took five years to finish. All that said, I think it’s a decent record – but it lacks the hooks and production zigzags of a Go Insane.

A few other things:

1) The “Lindsey only goes back to FM bc he is unjustly ignored as a solo artist” argument feels wrong footed. Despite the fact that most of his records aren’t particularly commercial (see above), he’s had a handful of hits (“Trouble,” “Go Insane”) and doesn’t seem to lack for label support. Per the “his best solo stuff seems to have Mick on it” comment above, it does feel like his best solo material would have made great Mac tracks – from the whole first side of Go Insane to “I Don’t Mind” on his self-titled this year.

2) To that point, the Buckingham McVie record has some pretty fun FM moments on it – “Sleeping Around the Corner” is fucking great (the fuzz bass from John is great). The documentary about the making of it is kind of hilarious bullshit in light of Lindsey getting canned a year later. Anyway, they probably should have just made this a FM record without Stevie and called it Say You Won’t.

3) Some of the commentary upthread about Stevie not wanting to record new music seems critical. I am pretty on record as saying Lindsey seems like a horrible person (kudos to Alfred for tucking in the abuse stuff to his review in Pitchfork). But when you get beyond what a bunch of overgrown children all of the members are, Stevie’s series of actions toward Lindsey really does feel consistent with that of an abuse survivor: feelings of codependency (relying on him—or other collaborators—for arranging her work), a guilty sense of comfort within the confines of abuse (touring and recording together because it pays the bills described upthread), a last straw that brings all those feelings to a head (being mocked while she spoke at an awards show). It’s hard for me to see it any other way.

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 24 September 2021 17:18 (four days ago) link

finally listened and new album is impressive

though there's definitely backing vocals (autotuned?) stuff where it's clear it should have been fleetwood mac songs and those parts were meant for stevie or christine

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 24 September 2021 17:25 (four days ago) link

I don’t believe the background vox are so much “autotuned” as sampled, manipulated and sequenced into little melodies. He’s been doing this on most of his records since the mid-80s – and it’s probably most heavily featured on Tango In the Night, where I gather everybody (okay, mostly Stevie) was so drugged out it was the only way he could get them on the record.

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 24 September 2021 20:38 (four days ago) link

it should have been fleetwood mac songs and those parts were meant for stevie or christine

But wasn't this record completed (as a solo album) before he was kicked out of the band? I'm sure he feels he can do Fleetwood Mac on his own anyway(except maybe for the drumming).

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 24 September 2021 20:46 (four days ago) link

But wasn't this record completed (as a solo album) before he was kicked out of the band? I'm sure he feels he can do Fleetwood Mac on his own anyway(except maybe for the drumming).

That's what I heard. I went through his solo records and I would go with Out of the Cradle and the new self-titled album as his two best and most fully-realized albums. More than the others, they both sound like they could've been Fleetwood Mac albums, or at least a "modern" continuation of the 1975 Fleetwood Mac LP and Rumours. I wouldn't say that's why they're the best - there's quite a few solo cuts that I like which don't sound like that - but it does make them more accessible as a whole, and it's possible making something more accessible means making something more cohesive and even from end-to-end.

birdistheword, Friday, 24 September 2021 21:19 (four days ago) link

Yeah, this album has supposedly been done for 4 years. I want to say his songs from his original unreleased "Gift of Screws" were more or less identical to the ones from that album that ended up on "Say You Will."

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 24 September 2021 21:20 (four days ago) link

Yeah, it looks like (afaict) four tracks from the then-unreleased "Gift of Screws" ended up on "Say You Will" more or less unchanged, and two or three were released on that album with "additional overdubs."

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 24 September 2021 21:24 (four days ago) link

Josh, what do you think of the original Gift of Screws? Great lost album or at least Buckingham's best?

birdistheword, Friday, 24 September 2021 21:28 (four days ago) link

I'll be honest, I've never really listened to it too much, not as an album, mostly because just about everything associated with it ended up on another album anyway, more or less.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 24 September 2021 21:33 (four days ago) link

He finished this album in 2017.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 September 2021 22:02 (four days ago) link

I don’t believe the background vox are so much “autotuned” as sampled, manipulated and sequenced into little melodies.

Otm. He's a master at this.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 September 2021 22:04 (four days ago) link


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