Lindsey Buckingham: C o' D?

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So anyway he's always been a semi-guilty pleasure of mine, sealing the deal on the Fleetwood Mac songs I love, always liked his guitar playing, actually making me enjoy Tom Petty's "Walls" when it popped up on the radio a few years ago. Anyhow, I'm in the SuperWalMart and "Tusk" comes on the PA, then I come home and flip through the channels and on VH1 Classics they're showing the video to "Holiday Road" from National Lampoon's Vacation, which unbeknownst to me was performed by Lindsey Buckingham. Plus the way he preens and poses in those awful early eighties videos always amuses me. He looks like a combination of Prince and Don Henley.

James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 16 November 2002 09:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Classic. I've always felt that he should be lauded more for his guitar playing. He has a knack for playing intricate melody lines that always work well with the songs, as well as being as memorable as the vocal melodies. Plus, I really am impressed with his pseudo-classical guitar finger picking. It's a shame that such talent keeps such a low profile.

bahtology, Saturday, 16 November 2002 12:41 (eighteen years ago) link

"Tusk" the song is pretty absurd, but the other Fleetwood Mac songs I know of his are great and "Law & Order" has some wonderful stuff on it. "Trouble" has made numerous mixtapes I've made for people. One of the few eccentric greats I enjoy from the LA scene. I sense more joy in his works than say, the Eagles or Zevon.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 16 November 2002 18:32 (eighteen years ago) link

He looks like a combination of Prince and Don Henley.

Classic

brg30 (brg30), Saturday, 16 November 2002 18:47 (eighteen years ago) link

At the very least, as a producer and a guitarist, completely classic.

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Sunday, 17 November 2002 00:58 (eighteen years ago) link

four months pass...
The producer aspect is so often overlooked, I think...two of my favorite Buckingham production jobs were "Gold" for John Stewart (late '70s vintage) and Matthew Sweet's cover of "Magnet And Steel" (mid '90s vintage), both tracks featuring nice freak-out solos by Buckingham. So so so underrated.

Erick H (Erick H), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 13:53 (seventeen years ago) link

reminds me: a few years back i exchanged my copy of Liz Phair's Exile In Guyville for Buckingham's Out Of The Cradle (that a friend had)
still happy with the swop, me ...not that i think Cradle is exactly the best thing LB has done, but it ain't poorer than FMac's 80s albs
sure, LB a great producer and a very fine guitarist (or at least he has been)

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 14:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Total Classic. He performed on Saturday Night Live way back when .. he did "Trouble" & "Bwana". He did the most amazing guitar solo on Trouble... I think his records sometimes suffer from overproduction (Out of the Cradle especially..) But he is an amazing guitarist, singer, writer.

dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 14:23 (seventeen years ago) link

three years pass...
New album in October!

Lindsey Buckingham finally releases a new album, Under The Skin, on 10/3. He tells USA Today

[It's] kind of a reduction. There are basically no drums, very little bass. On a musical level, I've been trying to distill things. This is the best time in my life, and that's a great thing to be able to say when you're 56, and didn't become a father till you were 48.

He plans another “more rocking” album next year and (finally) a solo U.S. tour. “It's a turnaround, time-frame-wise, for someone who's been sort of the Terrence Malick of rock,” he admits.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Sunday, 13 August 2006 02:47 (fourteen years ago) link

It's pretty incredible that someone would have felt guilt about this four years ago.

Sundar (sundar), Sunday, 13 August 2006 03:02 (fourteen years ago) link

So fucking nervy. An exploding little man. Ben Stiller's MR FURIOUS persona for real. Genius, classic.

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 13 August 2006 03:42 (fourteen years ago) link

You are not alone. This is truly great news. I have heard rumours that he has scrapped several albums over the years. I remember reading an interview with R.E.M where the journalist followed Peter Buck around for a few days. One of Buck's 'errands' was going to a studio to give Lindsey Buckingham some feedback on his new recordings. The journalist made a point of commenting on how stressed Buckingham looked and how he was manically scribbling down Buck's comments on a notepad. Seemed a little bit sad...
Posted by: ani at August 11, 2006 12:23 PM

anyone have a copy of this interview?

you're killing me, larry! (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 13 August 2006 04:46 (fourteen years ago) link

Classic--

and i guess quite the water polo player..my friend and i were perusing his mom's high school yearbook (i think a school in Palo Alto?) only to find Lindsey mid ball-toss in the pool...He signed something lame, like "Kristen--Government was classic. Big Love...LB" (not verbatim, but something trivial). And that, friends, is my Lindsey Buckingham story.

J. Grizzle (trainsmoke), Sunday, 13 August 2006 04:53 (fourteen years ago) link

this is pretty much the best clip on Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yllqie08a7U

Stormy Davis (diamond), Sunday, 13 August 2006 06:22 (fourteen years ago) link

dud

Igor Adkins (Grodd), Sunday, 13 August 2006 06:39 (fourteen years ago) link

Mr Wrong O'Wrongson, I presume?

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 07:18 (fourteen years ago) link

He's just super classic. And "Tusk" is one of the best albums ever.

Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 12:02 (fourteen years ago) link

Let's not overlook Go Crazy.

Tripmaker (SDWitzm), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 12:23 (fourteen years ago) link

Classic.

Out of the Cradle is a great album and some of his guitar noodling is incredible.

Sean Robison (yaratnam), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 23:20 (fourteen years ago) link

D'you mean "Go Insane"? I got that sealed for $5 once, that was a good day. Pretty gorgeous rec.

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 23:28 (fourteen years ago) link

Classic for "Never Going Back Again" alone. Incredible guitar player.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 23:55 (fourteen years ago) link

"Big Love" still sucks, though.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 23:55 (fourteen years ago) link

Mr. Snrub did you ever hear the live version of "Big Love" from The Dance? It is the most amazing thing ever.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 17 August 2006 00:22 (fourteen years ago) link

His reinvention of "Go Insane" is even more breathtaking.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 17 August 2006 00:34 (fourteen years ago) link

Classic. Interesting credit I just learned about yesterday: apparently he plays guitar on the Josie Cotton version of "Jimmy Loves Maryann." (orig. spelling "Jimmy Loves Mary-Anne")

Ruud Haarvest (Ken L), Thursday, 17 August 2006 00:49 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...
anyone listen to the new one yet?

jaxon (jaxon), Thursday, 5 October 2006 21:46 (fourteen years ago) link

The new one is by far his most consistent solo release. Very stripped down - the bulk of the album is guitar and vocals. Great cover of the Stones' "I Am Waiting".

Love it.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Thursday, 5 October 2006 22:43 (fourteen years ago) link

ooh

electric sound of jim [and why not] (electricsound), Thursday, 5 October 2006 22:44 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't have the album yet, but I really like the clip of "Show You How" on his website. I'm hoping to catch his solo tour in Falls Church, VA on Monday night.

John Fredland (jfredland), Thursday, 5 October 2006 22:50 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

I just bought Out of the Cradle. Seems good so far (his guitar playing is, as always, amazingly clean and crisp (and he can be bluesy, too)). Crazy comparison, but Surrender the Rain sounds a little like a Richard Hawley song, to me (not a bad thing at all!).

Anyone else have this disc? Like it?

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 20 January 2008 15:41 (thirteen years ago) link

beautiful record.
probably his best solo record.

Zeno, Sunday, 20 January 2008 16:13 (thirteen years ago) link

Haven't heard it in years, but I agree it's his best, with consistently beautiful guitar. "Soul Drifter" and "Turn it On" (is that the right title?) are favorites.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 20 January 2008 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link

I know they're solo discs, but now I'm wishing that Buckingham gave his solo songs more of a full-band feel. Down on Rodeo, for instance, from Under the Skin, has a great SoCal-drenched band feel (obv., the presence of Fleetwood Mac and John McVie helps), and it worked beautifully.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 20 January 2008 18:11 (thirteen years ago) link

Buckingham is god.

jim, Sunday, 20 January 2008 20:30 (thirteen years ago) link

UH

I guess that's more true than "Clapton is God," but still...

Classic (but not god).

Rock Hardy, Sunday, 20 January 2008 20:40 (thirteen years ago) link

He's a brilliant guitarist. I'm pleased at the love he's getting on this thread, instead of just hailing him as a mere singing/songwriting/producing genius. My favourite Lindsey look is the besuited, droopy afro'ed one on the inside sleeve of the 1975 album. Someone post an image, please!

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 20 January 2008 22:39 (thirteen years ago) link

he turns 60 this year

omar little, Sunday, 20 January 2008 22:45 (thirteen years ago) link

60? Wow. He looks younger. See the photo on the cover of Under the Skin.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 20 January 2008 22:58 (thirteen years ago) link

He is classic for "Tango In The Night" alone. Although that album is usually underrated when compared to their most popular mid 70s work.

Geir Hongro, Sunday, 20 January 2008 23:05 (thirteen years ago) link

He's classic for a lot of the Fleetwood Mac stuff, but his solo discs have a very different sound and feel (not worse, by any means, just v. different).

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 21 January 2008 00:06 (thirteen years ago) link

I may be misreading, but it looks like Under The Skin is available from Amazon for 99 cents.

dlp9001, Monday, 21 January 2008 01:48 (thirteen years ago) link

'Under the Skin' was a tremendously strong album. Man, such a shame that it barely received any attention at all.

Stormy Davis, Monday, 21 January 2008 02:42 (thirteen years ago) link

I may be misreading, but it looks like Under The Skin is available from Amazon for 99 cents.

Sadly, I'm not surprised. It's amazing to me that such a talented -- and successful (with his band) -- artist has had such trouble finding an audience.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 21 January 2008 03:00 (thirteen years ago) link

maybe thats because he became too old for the youngsters and too "arty" and minimalist for the mainstream listeners.
or u can blame it on bad marketing.

Zeno, Monday, 21 January 2008 17:50 (thirteen years ago) link

I still spin "Go Insane" on Dj nights. Such a great single.

Nate Carson, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 00:25 (thirteen years ago) link

Under the Skin is very nice, yes. I thought I'd never want to hear another Stones cover until "I Am Waiting" started to play.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 00:27 (thirteen years ago) link

this is pretty much the best clip on Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yllqie08a7U

-- Stormy Davis (diamond),

This video has been removed due to terms of use violation.

Damn. What was that clip, Stormy?

Myonga Vön Bontee, Tuesday, 22 January 2008 06:22 (thirteen years ago) link

six months pass...

new album out in a couple of months!!!

Marco Damiani, Thursday, 24 July 2008 15:24 (twelve years ago) link

god his last one was amazing

jamescobo, Thursday, 24 July 2008 16:44 (twelve years ago) link

http://i34.tinypic.com/3450940.jpg
My favourite Lindsey look

Ismael Klata, Thursday, 24 July 2008 17:51 (twelve years ago) link

Which he and his band totally play live!

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 13:53 (two years ago) link

One of my favorite things about Bucky is how he simultaneously (and I'll say successfully) fostered a reputation as a cult act even while at the helm of one of the world's biggest rock bands.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 13 December 2018 16:06 (two years ago) link

Doesn’t feel like a restrospective without more representation of the nervy qualities of Law and Order, exploring those new wave influences after Tusk . “It Was I” and “Mary Lee Jones” come to mind.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 14 December 2018 00:37 (two years ago) link

One of my favorite things about Bucky is how he simultaneously (and I'll say successfully) fostered a reputation as a cult act even while at the helm of one of the world's biggest rock bands.

It’s the Brian Wilson Tortured Genius Suffering Through Tribulations of Large Band Playbook.

Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 16 December 2018 13:28 (two years ago) link

one month passes...
one year passes...

My admiration for this guy as musician/producer has grownin the last week. I’ve been listening to and enjoying as much of his solo stuff as I’m able to dig up - recall hearing his stuff here and there in the ‘80s and liking it but never put two and two together (“Go Insane” is brilliant!). Damn, he really did carry the bulk of those ‘80s FM albums on his skinny shoulders, musically, didn’t he? So much of “Mirage” and “Tango In The Night” - wonderfully resembles his solo stuff.

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 20 August 2020 16:12 (five months ago) link

*Sorry for the errors - typing from the phone

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 20 August 2020 16:12 (five months ago) link

After his bypass surgery last year, I caught up with his solo work via that compilation he sequenced for Rhino, and the same thing happened - my admiration for him grew exponentially. It's a shame that compilation kind of tanked - Amazon was clearing out vinyl copies for very cheap - but it does an exceptional job of showcasing his solo work. I have to say it's stunning how his solo albums generally sold in low numbers because at their best, they're every bit as engaging and tuneful as Fleetwood Mac's best-known hits. Out of the Cradle alone is a great pop album, and I don't even think it went gold.

And yes, I think his contributions as a producer can't be overstated. I think you see this in Stevie Nicks's solo career where she's very dependent on her collaborators. A lot of it's execrable, but when she's leaning on Tom Petty's Heartbreakers or when Prince comes in to co-write and perform nearly every instrument or when she's working within Fleetwood Mac, it's an enormous improvement. ("Edge of Seventeen" is probably the one great exception to all this. That's an unqualified triumph.)

birdistheword, Thursday, 20 August 2020 19:51 (five months ago) link

Who’s more essential to the late 70s revival, nicks or Lb? I think Lb is more important. Without her the band is still successful, just a lot less so. Without him it’s the Christine and Stevie show. Well maybe

calstars, Thursday, 20 August 2020 19:55 (five months ago) link

Prince didn't co-write "Stand Back" ftr.

You're right about her struggle with collaborators, though. She's produced pretty solid work the last 20 years.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 August 2020 19:56 (five months ago) link

Yeah, I double checked, and co-write isn't accurate, they didn't collaborate on the writing, but here's the explanation:

Technically, the raspy 1983 Wild Heart dance track "Stand Back," was written by Nicks herself – but Nicks has said it "belongs" to Prince. She likes to tell its origin story: It was the day of her wedding, she and her new husband Kim Anderson were driving North to Santa Barbara for their honeymoon when she heard "Little Red Corvette" for the first time. She wrote "Stand Back" start to finish that day, humming along to the Prince single. When she later went to record the song, she called to tell him the story. Twenty minutes later the Purple One showed up at her studio. He "walked over to the synthesizers that were set up, was absolutely brilliant for about 25 minutes and then left," she later told Timothy White. "He spoiled me for every band I've ever had because nobody can exactly recreate – not even with two piano players – what Prince did all by his little self."

birdistheword, Thursday, 20 August 2020 20:07 (five months ago) link

Great points made here. I'm sure once I actually read this entire thread from the top I'll find I just repeated well-worn facts. Still, I'm happy to have some new "old music" to knock me out.

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 20 August 2020 23:33 (five months ago) link

Can we all just agree that “Go Insane” is an absolutely phenomenal song?

beamish13, Thursday, 20 August 2020 23:36 (five months ago) link

Bucky's skills as writer/arranger/performer absolutely were the key to late '70s and beyond FM. For myriad reasons they just couldn't function without him. I never get tired of the "Destiny Rules" scene where, once again, as with "Tusk" (I think) but definitely "Tango," they come to him when he's in the middle of working on a solo album and practically beg him for songs/material/ideas. He says yes, reluctantly, then everyone's agents and managers - they all have their own agents and managers and whatever - try to get him to cut things down to a a "commercial" single album. And he's all, that's fine if that's what you do, I'll just quit and take my songs back to my solo album. And iirc there's a scene with Mick where he more or less panics at the prospect.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 August 2020 02:15 (five months ago) link

Ok, here's the doc:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQOjptfZLJ4

The convo/confrontation happens around the 21 minute mark.

Bucky being fired from the band was as much them calling his bluff as the reported conflict between him and Stevie. He wanted to make new music, and they didn't, possibly/probably because they didn't feel like dong it as always on his exclusive terms. He says, hey, I don't want to be *only* a nostalgia act, and they essentially counter with, well, we're happy being just a nostalgia act, because it is more lucrative and easier than doing things your way at a loss.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 August 2020 02:18 (five months ago) link

Heh, dong. I'm having keyboard problems.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 August 2020 02:21 (five months ago) link

Don't say that you love me
Don't tell me that you
DONG!

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 21 August 2020 02:30 (five months ago) link

Xxp yeah that’s my read of the situation. Kinda sad but don’t think it’s a big deal all in all. Sad never to have seen them live though.

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 21 August 2020 15:30 (five months ago) link

This fly-on-the-wall docu is great. Thanks for the link, JiC!

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 21 August 2020 18:26 (five months ago) link

"We love Lindsey, and we want him to have everything that he wants and for all his dreams to come true. But this is not about art."

lukas, Saturday, 22 August 2020 03:43 (five months ago) link

I know at one point Mick talks about sales of 500k with horror which is (I think) about where it ended up ... were they unhappy with sales?

lukas, Saturday, 22 August 2020 04:30 (five months ago) link

"We love Lindsey, and we want him to have everything that he wants and for all his dreams to come true. But this is not about art."
Jesus, I'm actually a fan, but when I see that, it's like fuck this band. What, was their tens of millions not enough, or did they burn through it buying coke?

birdistheword, Saturday, 22 August 2020 20:27 (five months ago) link

Or Lindsay generally being one of the most renowned assholes in music

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 22 August 2020 20:48 (five months ago) link

Maybe they don't feel like doing a record but enjoy doing live shows

Maybe it's a fucking drag to record with Lindsay and they are old and just don't want to deal with it

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 22 August 2020 20:51 (five months ago) link

also have to imagine it's exhausting to record an album as you've gotten on in age, take it on tour, only to hear requests for all old shit throughout the set at every show and people whining if you do more than 1 tune from the new album.

(I wonder if that's why Motorhead weirdly toured behind their final album in 2015, and didn't do one damn song from it, when I saw them)

muntjac wagner (Neanderthal), Saturday, 22 August 2020 20:53 (five months ago) link

I know "nostalgia act" is used as a pejorative, but I don't think bands that are touring and playing the music they love in front of multiple generations of fans who may or may not have seen them before are obligated to continually put out new material.

If Carcass put out their next EP and album this year/next and were to say "y'know, we don't have any more new material in us anymore, but we're gonna keep touring anyway for the next decade cos we love our fans and it helps us to not get day jobs as well" - some people would view that negatively and say 'oh god they're just gonna milk these albums forever" but that's kinda..rockist...innit?

muntjac wagner (Neanderthal), Saturday, 22 August 2020 20:55 (five months ago) link

"We love Lindsey, and we want him to have everything that he wants and for all his dreams to come true. But this is not about art."

― lukas, Friday, August 21, 2020 11:43 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

This. FM are just as shameless when it comes to making money as the Eagles.

calstars, Saturday, 22 August 2020 21:07 (five months ago) link

Recording is work, playing gigs is easy money.

Lindsey would be better to just cut bait and go make music with young musicians that are hungry to make it happen. I think in the end he would be much happier in the long run and would get to make music.

earlnash, Saturday, 22 August 2020 23:53 (five months ago) link

Can't speak for Lindsey, but pretty sure Mick and Stevie (and maybe the others?) had burned through their 70s millions by the 80s.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 23 August 2020 00:00 (five months ago) link

It's weird to me to regard him as underrated tbh. He's been overpraised as genius arranger since the late '90s.

I'd prefer to read a piece arguing for the brilliance of Christine McVie.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 23 August 2020 00:23 (five months ago) link

Nice crib

calstars, Sunday, 23 August 2020 01:51 (five months ago) link

been there two times, never going back again tho

muntjac wagner (Neanderthal), Sunday, 23 August 2020 01:54 (five months ago) link

four months pass...

After today's news about another big rock song catalog acquisition (Fleetwood Mac this time), it's probably worth sharing this again—my analysis of why this is happening and what it tells us about the future of the music business. https://t.co/CJVwibtCEj pic.twitter.com/YJRdKHT8sg

— Ted Gioia (@tedgioia) January 5, 2021

"what are you DOING to fleetwood mac??" (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 01:25 (two weeks ago) link

That tweet is very depressing. I'm going to bed.

Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 01:39 (two weeks ago) link

.

Dog Heavy Manners (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 01:47 (two weeks ago) link

Is it? It guaranteed his family a bunch of dough forever.

Good for them. B-b-but...

Next Time Might Be Hammer Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 02:11 (two weeks ago) link

Pretty sure that Stevie already sold her rights, not sure if that registered here or not.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 02:45 (two weeks ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lagpYLwnSd8

xzanfar, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 02:56 (two weeks ago) link

Just of a bit of yet another collapse of a way for people to be rewarded for their labors, let's be cool.

Next Time Might Be Hammer Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 02:57 (two weeks ago) link

Variety relentlessly reports on these Hipgnosis deals (for some reason); not sure why this one registered in particular?

Four Jacks and a Jill (morrisp), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 04:28 (two weeks ago) link

(I’ve assumed Jem Aswad gets a kickback or some other incentive for writing up every damn Hipgnosis announcement)

Four Jacks and a Jill (morrisp), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 04:30 (two weeks ago) link

Is it? It guaranteed his family a bunch of dough forever.

this was likely guaranteed long before this deal

Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 6 January 2021 10:23 (two weeks ago) link

Because I’m painfully fair, I must amend my above remarks to note that Aswad apparently reports on non-Hipgnosis publishing deals as well.

Four Jacks and a Jill (morrisp), Friday, 8 January 2021 07:33 (two weeks ago) link

(This other company, Primary Wave, is that one that Stevie Nicks made a deal with last year.)

Four Jacks and a Jill (morrisp), Friday, 8 January 2021 07:35 (two weeks ago) link

Is he right about consumers spendling less in point 3? I was under the impression that revenue was actually rising in the streaming era. Official trade body seems to think so https://www.ifpi.org/our-industry/industry-data/ that it’s not necessarily going to the right people is a different story as on the numerous Spotify threads.

Dan Worsley, Friday, 8 January 2021 08:58 (two weeks ago) link


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