what music do the equivalent fans of 1998 nu metal listen to in 2018?

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I dont mean the literal same fans, but their kids or what have you. Who are the 2018 slipknots, korns, sevendusts?

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 04:13 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Brockhampton?

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 04:14 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Death Grips?

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 04:21 (four weeks ago) Permalink

twenty one pilots?

ufo, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 04:28 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Ski Mask the Slump God

kornrulez6969, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 04:28 (four weeks ago) Permalink

five finger death punch

global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 05:27 (four weeks ago) Permalink

XXX is the answer, I’m afraid

voodoo chili, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 05:33 (four weeks ago) Permalink

xxx is the only one of these who veers that way but even then...hes really a rap artist more than anything... like "sad!" sounds more like uzi adjacent ... but i agree hes prob tapped that fanbase more than anyone else mentioned here ... twenty one pilots kinda but isn't that just pop/alternative rock-rap? or sthing idk

half the name on that hard rock radio report are over a decade old! plus one that just apes Led Zeppelin LOL

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 05:55 (four weeks ago) Permalink

It’s as close as I can get to ID’ing the equivalent listener niche. What were nu-metal fans if not core Active Rock listeners?

too busy or too stoned (morrisp), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 06:09 (four weeks ago) Permalink

To put it another way — what did the equivalent fans of 1988 hair metal listen to in 2008?

too busy or too stoned (morrisp), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 06:15 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Lana Del Rey

Siegbran, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 07:33 (four weeks ago) Permalink

To put it another way — what did the equivalent fans of 1988 hair metal listen to in 2008?

are you talking about the majority of white teenagers or ...?

sarahell, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 07:45 (four weeks ago) Permalink

obv the answer is The Beatles

sarahell, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 07:45 (four weeks ago) Permalink

yeah true, twenty one pilots fit more with the linkin park side of nu-metal rather than the korn, slipknot etc. side referenced in the op, that's what i was thinking of

ufo, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 08:50 (four weeks ago) Permalink

69

||||||||, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 09:14 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Trippie Redd

human and working on getting beer (longneck), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 09:14 (four weeks ago) Permalink

69 appeal prob has some overlap, but trippie redd no way

The problem w using radio format as a guide ... surely all these kids are using streaming like normal teenagers ?

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 11:00 (four weeks ago) Permalink

EDM.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 11:05 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Maybe that's more at the frattier Limp Bizkit end as well but it seems to make sense.

Bring Me The Horizon are huge here and one of the few newer rock bands who feel like they could concievably headline Reading & Leeds but I feel like a rock band probably isn't the answer here.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 11:16 (four weeks ago) Permalink

If a rock band isn’t the answer, I must really be off the mark with my comments above (and have misunderstood the question)

too busy or too stoned (morrisp), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 14:13 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Rob Bailey & The Hustle Standard, and others from Lifting Heavy Shit playlists on Spotify.

... (Eazy), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 14:24 (four weeks ago) Permalink

BMtH is a good answer but tbh there's not really a good answer to this just because of how much more fractured the listener base is. There aren't any bands with that broad demographic appeal that have mainstream visibility as the nu-metal bands did, with the exception of the Problematic Rappers

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 14:34 (four weeks ago) Permalink

If a rock band isn’t the answer, I must really be off the mark with my comments above (and have misunderstood the question)

It's p unclear to me what an "equivalent fan" is. If this means something like "listeners fitting a similar demographic profile in terms of race, sex, and class", it would probably help to have some data on what this was for nu-metal and what we're looking for now.

Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 14:37 (four weeks ago) Permalink

I hope it’s artists like Gila

Vapor waif (uptown churl), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 14:40 (four weeks ago) Permalink

are you talking about the majority of white teenagers or ...?

It's p unclear to me what an "equivalent fan" is. If this means something like "listeners fitting a similar demographic profile in terms of race, sex, and class", it would probably help to have some data on what this was for nu-metal and what we're looking for now.

Yeah, FTR, I’m talking about core hard-rock fans ages ~16-30. My supposition is that they will listen to whatever rock is most popular/accessible at the moment (to the extent there can be an “equivalent” fanbase for a particular style of rock, in a era when it doesn’t really exist).

Like you could also ask what the “equivalent” fans were listening to in 1972 — it would be Deep Purple and stuff like that. I wasn’t assuming that the particular aesthetics of nu-metal were important to the question (but maybe they are to others here).

too busy or too stoned (morrisp), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 14:43 (four weeks ago) Permalink

I'm not entirely convinced there WAS an equivalent group of fans before nu-metal, it almost felt like it created a fanbase for itself out of a very particular demographic that might not have bothered with metal at all in prior generations (or subsequent ones for that matter). Which is why I think focusing on rock bands might be a mistake.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 15:02 (four weeks ago) Permalink

What very particular demographic was that? These bands were multi-platinum in North America. I was 19 in 1998 and knew men and women of different races who listened to them.

Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 15:20 (four weeks ago) Permalink

morrisp, the reason why i don't think the answer to the question is a rock band is that rock music is far far far less popular than it has ever been, especially among today's youth.

twin sinema (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 15:22 (four weeks ago) Permalink

nu metal had a pretty broad listener base by 1998, but I still think of it as springing up from the midwest. At least it seems like Korn was big there before they were in the rest of America.

President Keyes, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 15:52 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Here is a data-driven answer: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/06WUOWdYQt9quBqMXCXQK9

glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 16:01 (four weeks ago) Permalink

five finger death punch


This is the right answer btw

5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 16:05 (four weeks ago) Permalink

yeah otm

ciderpress, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 16:08 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Voodoo C. — I guess I’m not understanding what popularity has to do with it (or what an “equivalent listener” would be, if not a rock listener; even if there are fewer of them).

too busy or too stoned (morrisp), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 16:22 (four weeks ago) Permalink

i think deej is approaching it from "what would those dudes from your high school who loved nu-metal be listening to if they grew up today"

twin sinema (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 17:15 (four weeks ago) Permalink

and the answer is "probably not rock"

President Keyes, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 17:21 (four weeks ago) Permalink

i imagine that active rock chart is fairly representative of what those literal nu-metal bros from 1998 are listening to right now

twin sinema (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 17:32 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah, I was thinking behind just teenagers (I was past high school at that point myself).

too busy or too stoned (morrisp), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 17:36 (four weeks ago) Permalink

The problem with the “rock radio” chart isn’t that it’s rock, it’s that it’s radio!

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 22:23 (four weeks ago) Permalink

That said the edm argument is a strong one

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 22:24 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Like what is bassnectar? Do they sound like incubus

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 22:28 (four weeks ago) Permalink

was incubus nu-metal?

twin sinema (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 22:29 (four weeks ago) Permalink

xxp Yeah, I totally get it -- "the kids" don't listen to radio. I'm definitely no help in figuring out what today's sociological equivalent of the "nu-metal kids" are listening to. (I could ask a teenage family member, but I wouldn't even know how to describe the kids I'd be asking about!) I do know that the punk kids still seem to listen to classic punk (and an ever-evolving sprinkling of newer / local punk bands); maybe it's similar?

too busy or too stoned (morrisp), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 22:29 (four weeks ago) Permalink

they'd probably be into trap? i sort of feel like edm isn't macho enough.

macropuente (map), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 22:36 (four weeks ago) Permalink

i woulda said skrillex if you asked me 'round 2010 or so

twin sinema (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 22:37 (four weeks ago) Permalink

was incubus nu-metal?

― twin sinema (voodoo chili), Tuesday, November 13, 2018 2:29 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

more or less, in their early career. they had some funk metal with a clear Mr Bungle reference but also some songs with nu-metally riffs and turntable scratches. They toured with Korn during this period. Everything after the album S.C.I.E.N.C.E is no longer nu-metal at all and there was always maybe a bit of an alternative rock thing going there.

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 22:37 (four weeks ago) Permalink

i always thought of them more in the rhcp or 311 vibe than nu-metal, but i guess people my age started getting into them post-"Drive" (i was in middle school)

twin sinema (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 22:41 (four weeks ago) Permalink

crow left of the murder was the incubus album my friends liked

twin sinema (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 22:43 (four weeks ago) Permalink

i mean, I really do think it's probably big mainstream rock/metal bands like Five Finger Death Punch, Greta Van Fleet, Hollywood Undead, Bad Wolves, Twenty One Pilots, All That Remains, Asking Alexandria, etc, but we – mercifully – no longer live in a world where the interests of disaffected white boys dictates the entire media landscape

5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 22:43 (four weeks ago) Permalink

first bit yes, second bit gentle lol

two Barongs don't make a Wight (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 22:52 (four weeks ago) Permalink

crow left of the murder was the incubus album my friends liked

― twin sinema (voodoo chili), Tuesday, November 13, 2018 2:43 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah that's like 7 years post nu-metal incubus

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 22:52 (four weeks ago) Permalink

let's talk more about 90s incubus imo

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 22:52 (four weeks ago) Permalink

fwiw the bits of nu metal culture i remember being exposed to make me think like korn and limp bizkit were about tapping into basic anger and aggression with a side of misogyny, i.e. the main emotional thoroughfare young white men are encouraged to take, and wallowing in it. i have no idea what the 2018 equivalent of that is because i have a low tolerance for that kind of expression and i actively avoid it (and i'm not like a music writer lol).

macropuente (map), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 22:53 (four weeks ago) Permalink

ok if we're really not going to talk about incubus some more: answer would be like, i dunno, ghostemane?

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 22:55 (four weeks ago) Permalink

i want to hear more about incubus and i have snacks.

macropuente (map), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 23:00 (four weeks ago) Permalink

xxp that's why i was thinking triple x

twin sinema (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 23:05 (four weeks ago) Permalink

I got free tickets to this SnoCore tour that was Puya, System of a Down, Incubus and Mr. Bungle and the Incubus dude played a didgeridoo and my friend got so mad because there was this pretentious hippie guy in his freshman dorm (small college in iowa) who would get out his didgeridoo to impress girls and my friend hated that guy so much and that's all i got to say about that

Greta Van Fleek (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 23:06 (four weeks ago) Permalink

xp. Early Incubus definitely demonstrates the diversity of nu-metal in terms of being quite an eclectic group, miles away aesthetically from the more arch exemplars such as Limp Bizkit (even tho there is some rap metal in incubus) and Korn in some respects, also not particularly similar to more "cool" nu-metal like Deftones with their 4AD influence etc. while still markedly falling under the category. They were able to avoid going stale when nu-metal became passé by simply segueing away from certain aspects of their sound towards others.

Incubus also not a particularly macho exponents of nu-metal, dreamy-hippy singer who played bongos and didgeridoo and was into environmentalism

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 23:14 (four weeks ago) Permalink

i like incubus they sound nice

macropuente (map), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 23:17 (four weeks ago) Permalink

who would get out his didgeridoo to impress girls

times up

twin sinema (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 23:19 (four weeks ago) Permalink

i wonder where you store your didgeridoo if you're in a dorm. up next to the floor lamp i guess.

macropuente (map), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 23:19 (four weeks ago) Permalink

So gonna happen

... (Eazy), Tuesday, 13 November 2018 23:21 (four weeks ago) Permalink

at the time i didnt like this song but now i love it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8295rOMvtQI

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 04:42 (four weeks ago) Permalink

half the name on that hard rock radio report are over a decade old!

this has been the case on rock radio since the '80s tbrr

crüt, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 05:18 (four weeks ago) Permalink

I looked at the top 10 artists on last.fm and I have to assume that these guys are the Slipknot of today:

https://i.imgur.com/b0xmxEe.jpg

crüt, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 05:30 (four weeks ago) Permalink

u think...lastfm is representative of what slipknot fans would be today?

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 05:32 (four weeks ago) Permalink

what about this sort of thing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQRsDx11pCg

crüt, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 05:35 (four weeks ago) Permalink

lmao @ wikipedia page for "megalomaniac"

Lyrical interpretations
Lead singer Brandon Boyd says the song is not specifically targeting anybody - the song's meaning pertains to megalomaniacs in general with a particular emphasis on El Guapo from the American comedy film Three Amigos.[1]

Music video
The video shows images of Adolf Hitler interspersed with shots of the band and of many people who are protesting. As the video progresses, officers are sent to disperse the crowd. The speaker's podium rises very high - then it is revealed that the podium is actually a gas pump. The gas pump spurts oil over the crowd, while the main figure's head is consumed by a bald eagle and starts eating people that turned into fish.

JoeStork, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 06:00 (four weeks ago) Permalink

suicide boyz is kinda on the verge i think...was trying to think of their name earlier lol

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 06:47 (four weeks ago) Permalink

I suppose the latent audience I was thinking about was a kind of overlap between gothy self-pity and fratboy dickery, which doesn't really exist as a defined audience segment before nu-metal but has persisted since.

One of the reasons that EDM doesn't quite work is that it's eaten up the fratboy market but less so the self-pitying bit. Morose autotune rap seems to fit better in general.

(Speaking of which, does Lil Peep work here?)

Matt DC, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 10:56 (four weeks ago) Permalink

It's kind of how in Britain Oasis tapped into this massive demographic that had always been there and never really coalesced around anything before, and ever since you've had this constant stream of bands aimed directly at the Oasis Fan.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 10:57 (four weeks ago) Permalink

lil peep might fit, but sorta the way incubus does--he's a bit too graceful. suicide boyz feels closer to the heart of it, but despite some high youtube views they aren't actually making, like, hit records

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 11:11 (four weeks ago) Permalink

i mean, for that matter, Peep has some massive youtube records (133 mil on the biggest) but those arent even really charting singles ... suicide boyz are further. limp bizkit had HITS

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 11:12 (four weeks ago) Permalink

I know they're not nu-metal but lol @ Blink 182 collaborating with Steve Aoki.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 11:13 (four weeks ago) Permalink

maybe i'm tripping though and streaming makes the 'hits' call more ambiguous. 63 mil is something

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqtobIpZt68

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 11:14 (four weeks ago) Permalink

i don't really know the answer to this thread but i'd like to echo that incubus has jams

princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 14:21 (four weeks ago) Permalink

a kind of overlap between gothy self-pity and fratboy dickery

Best exemplified by Limp Bizkit’s “Behind Blue Eyes.”

... (Eazy), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 18:50 (four weeks ago) Permalink

I suppose the latent audience I was thinking about was a kind of overlap between gothy self-pity and fratboy dickery, which doesn't really exist as a defined audience segment before nu-metal but has persisted since.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHhaHBVUSQ0

5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 19:30 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Faith No More, making/inspiring the shittiest music on Earth since 1985.

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 19:33 (four weeks ago) Permalink

fighting words

5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 19:35 (four weeks ago) Permalink

$uicideBoy$ and that whole scene.

husked, tonal wails (irrational), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 19:51 (four weeks ago) Permalink

yeah seconding $uicideboy$, that also corroborates the EDM thing by way of that producer Getter they work with a lot who also raps under the name Terror Reid.

austinb, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 23:17 (four weeks ago) Permalink

greta van fleet

dyl, Thursday, 15 November 2018 02:33 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Ben Shapiro

Timothée Charalambides (cryptosicko), Thursday, 15 November 2018 05:11 (three weeks ago) Permalink

boom

5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 15 November 2018 05:27 (three weeks ago) Permalink

my 15 yo cousin listens to ‘knot

flopson, Thursday, 15 November 2018 06:17 (three weeks ago) Permalink

is country music the new nu-metal?

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, 15 November 2018 07:02 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Cuz it has hella fratboy dickery even if it’s low on goth

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, 15 November 2018 12:31 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I'm fairly sure that country music is the new country music but what do I know.

Matt DC, Thursday, 15 November 2018 12:39 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Are you familiar with Upchurch

https://youtu.be/B3KIuWhM24Q

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, 15 November 2018 17:25 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Y'all wrote this whole thread and didn't say Post Malone?

Get Me Bodied (Extended Mix), Friday, 16 November 2018 12:43 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Post Malone is invisible to anyone who writes about music

President Keyes, Friday, 16 November 2018 13:27 (three weeks ago) Permalink

post malone isn't very aggro ... like aesthetically hes closer to drake in a musical sense even if image wise hes like a pretend metal head who croons about bon scott

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Saturday, 17 November 2018 03:37 (three weeks ago) Permalink

but maybe you're right!

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Saturday, 17 November 2018 03:37 (three weeks ago) Permalink

The new Gesaffelstein vid seems vaguely relevant to the evolution of this type of dude?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3YPik6HTpw

crüt, Saturday, 1 December 2018 02:37 (one week ago) Permalink

Grimes

pomenitul, Saturday, 1 December 2018 15:24 (one week ago) Permalink


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