what dedicated listening thread should we do next (the poll)

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Polling the suggestions from here: what dedicated listening thread should we do next. I've left out a few that were only mentioned in passing and focusing on the ones that seemed to generate the most enthusiasm.

In the spirit of previous threads bear in mind the optimal artist is highly popular but not particularly critically well-regarded, and with a well-defined (and not too huge and widely available) catalog.

Personally I think some of the options don't fit - Joni and Sly and MJ and various others are *very* well covered territory, critically-speaking

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Earth Wind and Fire 13
The Bee Gees 10
Queen 9
Joni Mitchell 7
Blue Oyster Cult 6
Serge Gainsbourg 5
Rush 4
Rufus/Chaka Khan 4
Sly & the Family Stone 2
Metallica 2
Michael Jackson 1
Dolly Parton (throwing this in here because she's awesome and def doesn't get enough critical love, even though I suspe 1


Οὖτις, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 15:48 (one year ago) link

I suspect her catalog would be nigh impossible to navigate)

is what that last option should say

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 15:49 (one year ago) link

if metallica wins i volunteer to run it

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 15:51 (one year ago) link

voted for ewf though

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 15:51 (one year ago) link

Joni Mitchell, Sly Stone and Serge Gainsbourg aren't particularly critically well-regarded?!?!? Out of that list, it's basically all the rock acts that aren't particularly critically well-regarded. I don't want to have to listen to Rush though.

Alma Kirby (Tom D.), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 15:55 (one year ago) link

It's a long way from the Eagles, that's all I'll say.

Alma Kirby (Tom D.), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 15:56 (one year ago) link

I refer you to my OP:

Personally I think some of the options don't fit - Joni and Sly and MJ and various others are *very* well covered territory, critically-speaking

ILXors in not following thread intention shockah

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 15:56 (one year ago) link

xp

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 15:57 (one year ago) link

Gainsbourg is too but in his case I think he doesn't fit the popularity metric - at least not in English speaking countries.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 15:57 (one year ago) link

Well, he's all critical regard and not much else.

Alma Kirby (Tom D.), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 15:58 (one year ago) link

also he's terrible

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 15:58 (one year ago) link

(j/k but only kinda - I like Histoire de Melody Nelson alright)

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 15:59 (one year ago) link

Loads of great Serge from earlier days people aren't that aware of, Gainsbourg Percussions, some great early jazz stuff, way more than just Melody Nelson, even the 80s stuff is interesting to talk about.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 16:13 (one year ago) link

Voted EW&F, but would be happy with Metallica, and would hate-read a Queen thread.

grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 16:45 (one year ago) link

Voted Queen, seems to fit the original concept best.

Alma Kirby (Tom D.), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 16:46 (one year ago) link

Write in vote for Sun Ra

✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 16:46 (one year ago) link

I voted for Rush (as I did in the OG thread), b/c they're a band who falls outside my usual "taste profile," but I've been intrigued by bits & pieces that I've heard. I've wanted an incentive to explore their catalog, but feel like I would benefit from running commentary by others who fall more into that wheelhouse. (Also, it just seems like it would be "fun" to churn thru their albums, even/especially the wacky stuff.)

greta van vliet (morrisp), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 16:47 (one year ago) link

xp we have a listening thread for Sun Ra already!

sleeve, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 16:47 (one year ago) link

Metallica so I can proselytize on behalf of St. Anger

flappy bird, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 16:52 (one year ago) link

i take it back

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 16:54 (one year ago) link

Write in vote for Sun Ra

tried
Sun Ra in Chronological Order: An Arkestra Listening Thread + Related Solar Sounds

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 16:55 (one year ago) link

I am willing to be swayed

flappy bird, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 17:00 (one year ago) link

BOC

omar little, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 17:06 (one year ago) link

fwiw BOC played here the other day and everyone I know that was there said they were incredible live

flappy bird, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 17:08 (one year ago) link

they're all in their 70s right?

flappy bird, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 17:09 (one year ago) link

yes, iirc

sleeve, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 17:09 (one year ago) link

I'm all for a Sun Ra listening thread but as noted it doesn't fit the criteria at all (he is neither popular nor critically ignored) and plus we already had one

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 17:23 (one year ago) link

also his discography is a complete nightmare to organize

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 17:28 (one year ago) link

yup

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 17:32 (one year ago) link

sorta more interested in EWF but voting for MJ as the only eagles-elton-joel level of artist... where I really feel the gulf between their worldwide unstoppable megastardom and how little i know of the catalog. let's do queen after we do some non-white people and some women? and then garth brooks.

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 17:56 (one year ago) link

tbh I'd be interested in revisiting Invincible

flappy bird, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 17:57 (one year ago) link

and then garth brooks.

― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, October 30, 2018 10:56 AM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

excellent suggestion

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 17:58 (one year ago) link

mj is a weird choice to me but i know those records front to back. but maybe the dedicated listening could include the jacksons and motown solo michael?

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 17:59 (one year ago) link

^^^ which i'd be super down for

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 18:00 (one year ago) link

my antipathy towards MJ is well-established and if that's the result can't say I'll participate but whatever.

garth brooks I know nothing about

I'd be more interested in some country women (which is why I included Dolly) but not sure who else would really qualify? Loretta Lynn or Tammy Wynette maybe. Shania Twain lol

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 18:01 (one year ago) link

and then garth brooks.

Great away of ensuring an Americans-only thread

Alma Kirby (Tom D.), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 18:04 (one year ago) link

Ditto Rufus/Chaka Khan, Blue Oyster Cult tbh

Alma Kirby (Tom D.), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 18:05 (one year ago) link

... though to a lesser extent.

Alma Kirby (Tom D.), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 18:05 (one year ago) link

if non-americans sit out on a rufus thread, their total fucking loss

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 18:07 (one year ago) link

Maybe, they're not highly popular outside the US. Mind you, Serge Gainsbourg isn't highly popular outside France.

Alma Kirby (Tom D.), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 18:10 (one year ago) link

Garth Brooks is a step too far though.

Alma Kirby (Tom D.), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 18:10 (one year ago) link

i don't see how he's a step beyond billy joel

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 18:11 (one year ago) link

I don't now, I've never heard a Garth Brooks song.

Alma Kirby (Tom D.), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 18:13 (one year ago) link

but maybe the dedicated listening could include the jacksons and motown solo michael?

I nominated MJ and what I meant was definitely to include any solo Michael Jackson albums released during his lifetime - so no Jackson 5 but all of the Motown solo albums. I haven't listened to any of the pre-Off the Wall MJ solo albums. Whether or not we include the two posthumous albums (which I also haven't listened to) was more up in the air.

Voted for Metallica, though.

The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 18:13 (one year ago) link

now's your chance to hear them all! xp

flappy bird, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 18:14 (one year ago) link

Woohoo!!

Alma Kirby (Tom D.), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 18:14 (one year ago) link

I forgot to nominate Vangelis.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 18:17 (one year ago) link

Fwiw, based on Wikipedia, GB has two gold and one silver album in the UK, two platinum and one gold album in Australia, one gold album in New Zealand, and six multi-platinum albums in Canada. I probably wouldn't listen to them all either, though.

The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 18:17 (one year ago) link

O Canada

Alma Kirby (Tom D.), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 18:18 (one year ago) link

This thread needs more new age: Mike Oldfield, Enya, Loreena McKennitt, Michael Hedges, etc.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 18:21 (one year ago) link

I was generally a little bummed that the Bee Gees thread basically turned into my personal BEEGEESSONGS blog but I do really enjoy these deep-dive, one-track-a-day surveys of widely varied catalogs. I'm not particularly excited about the next tier of winners in the original poll, as most of them don't split the difference quality-wise that made the Elton John, Billy Joel and (to a much lesser extent imo, since it was just an endless tranwreck of awfulness) the Eagles threads the gold standard for this type of thing.

I don't want to run a thread, and I only took up the Bee Gees because it's a catalog I know and love inside out, but I would be bummed if we couldn't come up with another one to do...

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 20:04 (four months ago) link

when I cut off the TMBG poll at their first 21 years, I suggested a listening thread for the subsequent 15 once it was done / They were on hiatus from recording and releasing a new song every week. at one track per day, that'd take up two years, but I'd crunch down jingles & sub-1-minute songs to work through it faster.

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 22:28 (four months ago) link

yr on yr own with that one

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 22:33 (four months ago) link

i’d do the böc one

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 22:37 (four months ago) link

I don't know their catalog at all outside of Godzilla and Don't Fear the Reaper

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 22:41 (four months ago) link

I'd happily participate in a boc one

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 22:43 (four months ago) link

i just did a pretty thorough discography run but stopped short of heaven forbid and curse of the hidden mirror, so there’d even be new stuff for me. hm

idk when should i start a thread? i worry i’ll get bogged down in other work and forget to do it for days/weeks on end but i also can really see myself enjoying the process

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 22:49 (four months ago) link

I would contribute to a böc thread!

Book Doula (sleeve), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 22:49 (four months ago) link

covering '72 - '88 looks like a decent run

xp

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 22:50 (four months ago) link

approx 100 songs give or take. seems like a fun thing to do every day for 100 days lol

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 23:32 (four months ago) link

having trouble picking a lyric/title

DEATH COMES SWEEPING THROUGH THE HALLWAY LIKE A LADY'S DRESS: the official ilm track-by-track blue öyster cult deep listening thread, 1972-1988

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 23:40 (four months ago) link

Time To Play BOC-Sides

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 23:41 (four months ago) link

lmao

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 23:42 (four months ago) link

If we do BOC, we probably should start with the Stalk-Forrest Group album.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 7 November 2019 18:15 (four months ago) link

my idea was to start with the first böc album and then get to the stalk-forrest group/soft white underbelly to fill in a few days of context before tyranny and mutation unless i hear dramatic objections. not everyone's gonna be immediately enamored with deadhead böc, and it's also stretching it a little to refer to st. cecilia as an album

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 8 November 2019 19:31 (four months ago) link

also chronology is overrated

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 8 November 2019 19:32 (four months ago) link

but i was thinking of starting this on monday

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 8 November 2019 19:33 (four months ago) link

(to my point above, i'm also trying to avoid the redundancy of covering "i'm on the lamb"/"red and the black" three separate times)

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 8 November 2019 19:36 (four months ago) link

Sticking to chronology would mean a bunch of stuff before arriving at the debut, which as you say might not be the best way to start and keep people interested (in addition to St. Cecilia, there's also some audition demos recorded afterwards that were added as bonus tracks to the reissue of the S/T, all in all making for about two weeks of listening before getting to the real albums).

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 8 November 2019 19:45 (four months ago) link

Actually less than two weeks--Those CBS demos are almost all already covered on St. Cecilia.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 8 November 2019 19:49 (four months ago) link

yeah i think i'll introduce the stalk-forrest group during "i'm on the lamb" and then expand further after the s/t's done

cool, can't wait to do this, i'm already writing up the first few tracks

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 8 November 2019 19:50 (four months ago) link

psyched

Book Doula (sleeve), Friday, 8 November 2019 20:19 (four months ago) link

wgaf about demos, stick to official releases

(full disclosure: I know nothing about the BOC catalog)

Οὖτις, Friday, 8 November 2019 20:28 (four months ago) link

I own a couple of BOC records I've neglected so this would be kewl

Simon H., Friday, 8 November 2019 20:41 (four months ago) link

wgaf about demos, stick to official releases

they're the only songs credited to the soft white underbelly. regardless i will not be spending four days on them. maybe one

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 8 November 2019 20:43 (four months ago) link

on a weekend

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 8 November 2019 20:43 (four months ago) link

XP To Shakey: I confused matters by bringing up the CBS demos. The band--when they were the Stalk-Forrest Group--had recorded an album's worth of material (known as St. Cecilia) for Elektra Records in '69-'70. The label dropped them after a failed single, and the rest of the material stayed in the vault for 30 years until Rhino Handmade put it out.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 8 November 2019 20:48 (four months ago) link

Most of those songs also didn't resurface in BÖC's repertoire.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 8 November 2019 20:53 (four months ago) link

one month passes...

so

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 December 2019 21:00 (three months ago) link

three months pass...

who's up for Kenny Rogers

Οὖτις, Monday, 23 March 2020 14:29 (one week ago) link

I'd do Rush or Sly & the Family Stone. Not really in the mood for any of the others tbh.

coco vide (pomenitul), Monday, 23 March 2020 14:30 (one week ago) link

Sly catalog is pretty small, really.

Οὖτις, Monday, 23 March 2020 14:34 (one week ago) link

True. I'd still be down, but that's just me.

coco vide (pomenitul), Monday, 23 March 2020 14:34 (one week ago) link

Sly, defintely.

Bridge Over Thorley Waters (Tom D.), Monday, 23 March 2020 15:44 (one week ago) link

well that's three of us... is that enough for a quorum? I'd be happy to run it. I guess we'd have to decide whether to include Sly productions/side projects like the Stone Flower records stuff etc.

Οὖτις, Monday, 23 March 2020 15:52 (one week ago) link

lot of great early stuff worth checking out imo

doesn’t need to be comprehensive, but it would be fun to hear some of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whZ0SCHcb2A

budo jeru, Monday, 23 March 2020 16:07 (one week ago) link

maybe we should compile a list first

Οὖτις, Monday, 23 March 2020 16:08 (one week ago) link

I'd never heard of that Stewart Bros track before, for ex., that predates what I thought were his earliest releases

Οὖτις, Monday, 23 March 2020 16:09 (one week ago) link

sounds good, i’ll put a list together

budo jeru, Monday, 23 March 2020 16:19 (one week ago) link

Thanks!

coco vide (pomenitul), Monday, 23 March 2020 16:24 (one week ago) link

I know all the Sly & Family Stone + Stone Flower stuff, but his pre-Family Stone stuff is all over the place

Οὖτις, Monday, 23 March 2020 16:25 (one week ago) link

so i think this should be sufficient:

stewart four - walking in jesus name 78 (1952)
stewart brothers - the rat 45 (1959 **conflicting info here, may not be sly**)

v/a - “sly stone: the doo wop years” (covers most of the rest of the early releases, be sure to OMIT tracks 15-19)

demonstrators - sunset violets 45 (1964)
sly stewart - i just learned how to swim 45 (1964)
sly - buttermilk 45 (1965)
sly - temptation walk 45 (1965)

v/a - “listen to the voices: sly stone in the studio 1965-1970” (i’ll let you decide what’s worth including here: demos, rarities, some non-stone flower productions, the french fries 7” is essential imo)

sprinkle in stone flower releases as you see fit and i think we have a party

budo jeru, Monday, 23 March 2020 17:08 (one week ago) link

n.b. this isn’t a comprehensive list, or even anything close. just stuff i’ve either enjoyed or always wanted to check out, and think would make a good prelude to the family stone stuff.

budo jeru, Monday, 23 March 2020 17:11 (one week ago) link

that looks like a solid starting point to me - I'm inclined not to include productions, albeit mostly because including the Beau Brummels doesn't seem apropos lol

Οὖτις, Monday, 23 March 2020 19:35 (one week ago) link

OK so we're doing this, yeah?

Οὖτις, Monday, 30 March 2020 14:22 (six days ago) link

Sure, I'm in.

coco vide (pomenitul), Monday, 30 March 2020 14:24 (six days ago) link

budo, what is this:

demonstrators - sunset violets 45 (1964)

Οὖτις, Monday, 30 March 2020 14:36 (six days ago) link

I don't have the liner notes to "listen to the voices" does anyone know what years the following tracks are from?

Freddie and the Stone Souls Something About You
Freddie and the Stone Souls Superfunk
Sly and the Family Stone Man Does Not Live
Sly and the Family Stone Take My Advice

Οὖτις, Monday, 30 March 2020 15:42 (six days ago) link

sorry that should say “sweet violets” and on second thought i think we can skip that track, demonstrators was a group sly apparently played in

i have no idea about the years on that comp as i just have the files, sorry :/

budo jeru, Monday, 30 March 2020 17:21 (six days ago) link

I think the two Freddie Stone tracks are 1965, not sure about the other two. whatever, I'll just throw them in there ahead of the first proper album. I think I have a relatively full list together, about 170 tracks. Will start tomorrow

Οὖτις, Monday, 30 March 2020 17:35 (six days ago) link


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